How to FIX Classic Divisions?!
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How to FIX Classic Divisions?!
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Craig Douglas
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Personally I think the cap game modes were so valuable for the platform. There are many reasons why in my opinion & I have listed a few from the top of my head below.
Cap mode got me into so rare, knowing I can put £20/£30 into something to try it out buying some less valuable players & still having a chance of reward
Adds another way to play
I can use cards from the team I support. For an example if I support Fulham, I can still use the players I like in IRL & may get a reward from them not just watching the same players top the division every week
Gives value to players that are not smashing it every week but can give consistent points
Makes the game enjoyable for people who can’t just spend £6k on an in season arsenal rare team
Keeps the market alive - the current model will get to a point that the top 5% are worth something & the rest nothing. I just think of the end of an ultimate team each year. Unless you have the top players, everyone is worth nothing. Creating a free to play game that you have to spend £500 to even be in a looking for a reward.
Implementing some elements into the game that are spoken about in this video excludes lots of potential players & rewards the biggest spenders. In the long run giving the game a short life span.
That is my opinion anyway but what do I know. I’m commenting on a UA-cam video.
Totally agree.
The other thing he mentioned is that this is now a game, and not a way to make money. Which I think is fine and good. But what he means is this is a game for rich people and the poor are just pawns who fill up their prize pots. As it is the poor who are buying hundreds of low price cards to try and get into the game. Like you mentioned if you support fulham and want their stack. This might cost you £30/40 which you can afford for now, but you will never win anything big with that. But also you might go up in div to then be getting relegated again.
At most in my div 4/5 prem teams i might get a tier 5 card. Nice a win, but who i then get is a dnp who is unsellable. Now incant go out like the man in the video and then just but a stack from that player i just won to get an inseason team with bonus.
Something needs to change.
I think remove boxes from in season, then you can only win in season cards from classic and only cash in in season comps. So if people are wanting to improve their in season teams, they can spend the cash they win. People in classic can build towards in season via winning rewards in classic comps, may else tempt classic players to buy in season cards if they need that one player to make their lineup better
That would be awful I assume you don’t play in-season as you carry no thought for people with in-season cards
@@Cameronm7457 even reducing the number of boxes in the in season comps, feel 50% is too high, I’m not complaining really as I’m playing both. Just seems sort of against what they said about classic being the only way to win in season cards, technically it is but you’re more likely to get essence/a box in the in season comp
more Boxes for classic competitions, like give top 20% 2 boxes and top 10% 3 boxes or something like that would fix a lot. In Div 1 that is taking the highest odds a T5+ craft "guaranteed" if you are top 20%.
boxes are just terrible, its like the filler things on fifa packs
@@GreusGameZone 2 Boxes in div 1 gives you 20 essence (considering the highest odds) that is a Tier 5+.
Befor boxes we had just T5. It would be so much better.
i think that it makes no sense to not give value to low / mid tier cards, think of it like this the tiers of cards are like a pyramid and without the bottom ones the ones above will start to colapse thats why the need of a cap or something like the old specialist competition for me is a must, because realistically a tier 5 tier 4 or tier 3 and even half of the tier 2 pools will not help you to win a playable card in classic divisions, and i think if the rewards are distributed more towards the higher divisions ( wich they should be) it will give a bigger spotlight to this issue.
So basically if 80% of cards have no utility (wich is undeniable because u are not able to win anything with them at max another unusuable card or essence wich will give u most likely more shit cards) that also means that 80% of the rewards given arent rewards because they are worth nothing and have 0 utility a thing that u can already see, not even bots accept most of the offers for low/ mid tier cards and alot of liquidity is lost.
Secondly i think that it looses that part of the game sorare always preached, that it was to scout players and discover new teams, by looking at the leaderboards u can already see that, theres almost no diversity (in challenger for example its a psv madfest) and in my opinion it actually takes the skill out of the game ( because whats the skill of having high % on players and buying every big hitter, theres no skill in it thats just dumping money into collections and putting them to train ( u can see it in the leaderboards lineups are not that different from each other)
Thats why i think these special tournaments have been the best thing sorare has actually brought this season for example in the tacklers if doing the scouting right u could (for me) play the game as it was intended and search for players that are heavily favored with tackles bonus.
Oh and its also not sustainable because you are going to create a bigger gap between the current players and the new players who to win something of value their first cards will need to be the stars and tier 1 players that all the other managers have
Despite not agreeing with you in most of it great vid and for bringing light to this topic
Totally agree with this. Not all of us can afford to drop 6k on a full arsenal team. Some people only have a few ££ to try their hand at pro. What I find more frustrating is how sorare have placed my gallery in a div with others out of my league. I will find sometimes in div 4 ppl with massive arsenal and liverpool £200 stacks. When all i have is a small fulham or bournmouth stack. (Which could win once in a blue moon) but because it is rare for all of them to smash, the ppl who have these big team stacks in my division in smashing it and im lucky to get a box. I think maybe there should be a cap for lower 2/3 divs. So that means there is a fair chance for all to then go up to higher divs. I think the vid was great but sometime he never seems to put himself in the shoes of a new person trying to come in and enjoy the game.
If ur a new starter and find urself with a small budget and in div 5 coming up against salah and haaland every week you will feel like crap and find the game pointless. And unless u then buy those £100 cards you feel like there is no way to win. People will then get into debt to try and get those cards to then get a win, which is then still not a guarantee.
I literally just won a Pickford with a team fully consisting of what I would assume is T3 cards and below: Guzan, Lennon, Escobar, Artur and Berry. It was my lowest priority team but they all popped off and got me a great reward. I also lineup T3/4 cards every week and have won many rewards with them. You just have to play matchups with them, not roll them out every week.
@@martinwalley4641 Like said in the video, why would you want to buy topplayers if that will be changed? I rather buy some cheap players and play cap because the roi is way better there. So it's not good for the platform, the stars will be worth much less.
@@plantedwharf5456 thats true thats what cap modes and specialist modes are supposed to be force u to play matchups and all or nothing players.
U Said u received Pickford, in what competition did u play in, because u won a Premier legue player with challenger players, so most likely u player One of the special competitions that give utility to low/mid tiver cards, therefore proving my point, with the money u spent on those mls cards u would never have gained anything close to a pickford, most likely not even a box
@@remcovandenakker6603 thats the thing if its done right it is possible, u can distribute the rewards properly u already have massive rewards for special weeklies, i dont see why people say stars Will loose value, when their highest value were when low/mid tier cards also had value.
Picture this if i won a T3 and i can actually sell it to someone it will mean that the average people that get rewarded Will have more liquidity to go for star players because they Will want to get better rewards everytime wich increases demand and therefore price.
I genuinely dont understand that argument as if in 3 years of game had Lost any sort Of value due to other worse cards, the ONLY argument that is plausible is a salah and a Cesinha were almost the same price because they could play in competitions together, but they were the all a star player what was fucking up the price was that u could play it in the same place u played a star Premier league player. Its not because a ipswich forward has value that a salah Will decrease in it, It never was and it never will
Idea for Classic moving forward:
What if you could only use classic cards from the last say 2/3 seasons in classic competitions. Anything older you cannot use in classic.
As for the older cards, they could do one of two things if not both.
The first idea is a trade in system - you can trade in a card that’s two years or older when you trade in you get a box for essence/in season cards. (Limited to 10 per week or something similar)
Second idea is that they run say like a monthly special competition where you can only use cards that are two years or older.
If you implemented both, this way managers who wish to cash in now for in season cards/ essence get that straightaway. Or those that wish to keep their collections can still use them every so often in the specials. There would in theory be less cards in circulation due to the trade in system and therefore should remain competitive.
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Personally, I don’t mind the whole I got a better score in a lower division and got rewarded more thing. I can see why some people do. For me, the reward for being in Div 1 is that when you hit big you hit really big. For me, that’s enough incentive to get there
“Bad” cards have no utility because there’s currently no suitable competition to use them in. Even in division 5 you are competing against top cards because the top rewards are still too good, which creates not enough stimulation for the top players to try to compete in the higher divisions. Sorare needs to create an environment in which “bad” cards can compete against “bad” cards for “bad” rewards. This could be achieved by bringing the capped modes back, but imo the division reward structure needs to be changed badly. The focus shouldn’t be on winning a card in the lower divisions, but on promotion. Using the same analogy, if you finish first in league two, you shouldn’t be happy because of the prize money you won, but you should be happy that you’re one step closer to reaching the premier league. Promotion needs to be the main focus/reward for the lower division players if you want a division system to work properly. I think this should be the first step to fix the broken market.
Great video Nep and agree with most of the points raised here by you and the original post. I appreciate how hard it will be for SoRare to balance the rewards perfectly across each division. You won't always to be able to take your score up a division and have got a better reward or down and have got a worse one but the disparity to go from a box to a 1st place and Tier 1 is damming and shows just how unbalanced the current division system is.
I do think there is a place for cap modes (although not in the current division system) more like a beat game system for essence or boxes with caps, giving more utility and therefore value to lower scoring but still useful cards.
Whilst I agree stars should be stars it can't be that there's essentialy no utility or value in any card Tier 3 or below, otherwise any user that gets those rewards won't be satisfied as 1. They have nowhere to play them and 2. They're worthless. I think SoRare would do well to provide a little more utility for those cards that average L15's of 45 to 55, they need love to but should be balanced in a way that always incentives users to take that step up to more premium cards.
I think they should bring back cap240 again but for essence only for beating the threshold. It gives the lower cards value but not too much to stop you from buying the best players like you said. At least this way all cards have good utility even if they arent the best scorers
Rewards and leagues should be dynamic. You shouldnt win cards outright, you should win boxes with a chance to get a card of your tier level + cash rewards. If you are putting in 5x star players, the only players you should be winning in boxes are tier 1 and star + cash rewards (cash rewards are also dynamic, higher you place, the more you get) . If your putting in tier 1 only, should win tier 1 and 2. and so on. If your putting in a mix of tier players, your box should give you a proportionate % chance to win each tier card)
For example, if i field an all star limited team, 3x star, 2 x tier 1 and i place first. I get a healthy cash reward and a box. The box would give me a 60% chance to win a star, 40% chance to win a tier 1.
Division 4 is tier 4 and lower, division 3 is tier 3 and lower, division 2 is tier 2 and lower, division 1 is tier 1 and lower, championship is tier 1 and above. then everyone has a chance at winning, and then its fair across the board. you get back what you put in. and there is logical progression of the game
obviously this isnt a polished idea, but it could certainly work with some tweaks.
Regarding the rewards in different classic divisions: maybe they should redistribute some card rewards to higher divs but there is in my experience a HUGE difference in the boxes you can win per division.
Threshold in dive 1 in season and classic would rocket prices. If they are adamant not to do cash threshold the adding either market credit, boxes and/or essence could also help make div 1 worth it
as someone who plays classic rewards are fine i understand sorare have quota's on how many cards to give out.
I completely agree with you. 1gw Bundesliga this season I was 2 in div1 with 0.94 points behind 1 and I got Nubel worth 300e and he got Mussiala. All 2 in lower divisions got better rewards then me
Commenting as I’m watching so maybe you’ll get to it… but the point about international comps they have brought in is that there is no version of it for classic cards, only in season. So essentially, anyone that last year would have had international players to use during international breaks now don’t. They have even reduced the number of lineups for all star from 3 down to 1 for this weekend.
As a mainly limited player this has really made me feel left out in the cold. I’ve been such an advocate for Sorare for so long, but now I’m so close to selling up.
I have a lot of good international cards that could score really well, but can only put out 1 serious team for the weekend now. The rest have to go into this shitty Fighters competition. Also, for the all star and fighters comps, only top 10% get a reward box, and to actually win a card reward you are going to need monstrous scores…
Earlier this week I was on the other side of the argument and was about to buy an Mbappe… then I stopped and thought that for me, with my gallery size and value.. knowing that the absolute best reward I could win in terms of value on the game is only worth circa £200… that this just doesn’t seem worth playing anymore.
What’s your thoughts on no card rewards but just essence where you are guaranteed more of it the higher the division you are in? You could even go as far as saying it’s only those who get relegated or not promoted from the bottom division that don’t get the essence
People feel entitled to win rewards just because they own good cards. Of course if your in division 1 you’re going to compete with other people also having good cards and your chances of getting rewards decrease. What is the point of these comparisons? It’s like saying Chelsea should relegate because they spend a lot in transfers and they must win something and it would be easier in the championship. Also, of course 80% of cards are just good for collection purposes, they also suck in real life too; it doesn’t mean that if you own any cards you should by default deserve to win something.
Enjoying the dive into SoRare, and currently playing FTP through Rivals and using videos such as this to get a handle on the 'Pro' side of the game. I'm just wondering if my ultimate goal is all that feasible.
I'd love to be able to put a little bit in (say £20-£40 a month), subsidized with some Rivals winnings/lucky crafts etc. into making something that is at least *competitive* on the Pro side - I know with that amount of financial outlay winning anything more often than that is a dream, but the idea of being able to grab something now and again to 'open' would just be a nice bonus. Am I kidding myself on with this pursuit, or is there any chance at all (with some research, and a whole lot of luck) that I might be able to pull of a few boxes here and there?
I think you have a genuine shot of winning SOMETHING at that budget. I would start with Classic and keep adding key pieces as you can, and play up through the bottom divisions. Ideally if it were me in that situation, I'd probably save the budget I could each month until I could afford a quality in-season 5 (even if that meant grinding rivals until next season and coming in with a healthy budget to attack with)
@@NepentheZ Appreciate the response and the videos - I figured the save and in-season approach would be the smart/suggested way (as explained/exampled in the video), and I'll see if I can hold off scratching the itch until then.
Thanks!
When will you be opening your last weekend rewards
That would make sense to me if u would be relegated for no playing in div 1 in purpose. Than u can get rewerded for being there. I think we need that at some point
I am in Div1 with all my 3 challenger classic teams. Going to do the math again if I want to relegate at least 1 team
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Probably best to have no division system at all at this point for classic and just make it a massive league table and distribute the rewards that would have been available accordingly
Agree with this
Great video, I have had a champ player from essence that I’ve only got in the prem and contender so I’m guessing prem essence is champ, also fuck the haters on the haarland pull!! 👍👊❤️
Feels like the main issue is not classic but just simply how cheap tier 3, 4 & 5 inseasons are (especially in challenger & contender). If Sorare can give some value to these cards winning them in classic feels alot better.
The only FAIR way to correct this problem and maybe future same problems are an introfuction of a BURN MECHANICS .. where we could get some $$ back to invest in In season cards or just get away from the game
The ones that love the game and had the same feeling like u Nep, because I am in this plataform since 2021 and also changed my mind to just "a hobby" instead to dream in make money back, will re-invest the money from old cards in the game so is a win - win situation ! And I think that sorare has conditions to give back 30, 40, 50% of the value of the old cards
I expect some action in this direction !!! Because every year come more and more cards !!!
What is the benefit for Sorare? Why should they take your cards back?
Old Season cards have a value, its not zero. Sell them on the market / trader / gallery buyer / bots and then do whatever you want with the money.
@@SorareJuju They must have the intention to mantain the game, they can give 30, 40 or 50% discount when buying a new card like they already do it ...but instead they burn old cards instead ...clean the market instead of trash the market with more and more cards.
There are 53 people with better score, why is he crying? Did those other 53 people get the cards unfairly? If no there is nothing to complain about.
You should better go to school, before its too late my boyyy
i mean u shoudnt be punished for being in div 1 thats bad game balancing from sorare