Is farmer vandalism different than regular vandalism I wonder? Either way, the "could pull 35 mickeys and still had enough" part has been removed with the explanation below. "This is the current revision of this page, as edited by 75.80.61.48 (talk) at 04:32, 8 September 2024 (removed vandalism)."
I don’t know why more engine builders don’t support this channel these guys explain everything so that a total novice can understand it . Good job guys.
People tend to throw around comments like yea just turn the crank, sure just stick a sleeve in it. But they have no idea what it takes to do the job. You guys are great explainers. Love your channel.
My grandfather in Michigan bought a Farmall Cub in 1947, the first year of them. He got rid of his team of horses and farmed his 40-acre hobby farm until he died in the mid-70's. I've owned 3 of them, and they are really interesting little tractors.
I really enjoy watching your videos, even though I did machine work my whole life. I never did automotive machine work. Also I think it’s great to see father and son working together. I’m the same age as your dad and I think it’s funny to listen to him talk about it being fun to do this work and you are trying to make a living with this . Just listen to your dad and you will be successful. At this point your dad has forgotten more than you know. But it will to you in time. Just be thankful you have your father involved in your life. So many people look back after their father has passed and wish they would have been closer to their father . This is a blessing, you may not realize this . But in time you will. God bless all of your family
I love your comment on the tool box wear from employees and I totally agree. I am a maintenance mechanic and as I am the only one using my tool boxes I know that I have to treat some boxes with kid gloves just to make them last as the quality just isn't there now especially in the drawer glides. I love watching you two doing machining and envy your quality machines and your knowledge. Thanks so much for taking us along on this one.
My father told me that I should treat tools that belong to someone else with more care than I do my own. I worked for a company for over 20 years and my boss couldn't believe that I got more upset over equipment being abused than he did. I told him that their equipment was what was used to pay our wages and unnecessary damage was a threat to our having a job.
Nice, my mother in law declared a few years ago that our son was inheriting the cub that's been in her family for years. It's been sitting out in the weather up at their place for as long as I can remember, kid just turned 8, and I'm hopeful he can talk his Grammy into letting us bring it the couple miles to my garage to start restoring it soon.
The Cub was the first tractor I drove to help Dad cultivate the garden. The offset view helped me stay out of trouble and away from the the growing plants!
It’s fun to see the different engines you both work on. It’s also good that it’s recognized that there is a difference in price of a job, as if cost is too high for something like a hobby tractor, there is a point where no one will ever rebuild them for fun.
Also used in the tobacco fields pulling a narrow open trailer.. I learned at 10 years old to drive this tractor in the field, got payed .15 cents a hour. They call the driver a “‘trucker”. In North Carolina , 1965 tobacco was king… and jobs for poor kids to make school clothes for the next school year.
Four “Croppers” would pick the tobacco plants bottom yellowing leaves and tuck it under there arm. When they were full ,they put it on the single axle trailer and I would pull up some and wait for them to crop up to me… when the trailer was full ,I would drop it off and get a empty trailer,continuing. The farmer would toe the trailer to the barn and loopers would tie it on a toebacker stick ..later flue cured. The farmers wife would cook lunch. Man she could cook. ….. it was hard work.. then there was tobacco harvesters. Still hard work,but easer..I live in Ohio now.. 70 years old but NC is still in my heart..
In '59, our family emigrated from Portsmouth England to rural Nova Scotia Canada. Dad rented a house seven miles from the town where his new job was. Next door was a "small acreage farmer" with a '56 Cub. He used that thing to the max, plowing, hoeing, sickle-cutting hay, the PTO to run a circular saw to produce pulpwood from his 575 acres. Had a large trailer he piled high with hay and cut spruce. Our first summer in Canada was kind of magic for me, and due in no small part to that Cub and hayrides. He had additional wheel weights for both front and rear. Thing always seemed so even-tempered, but 9 horsepower per litre kind of tones things down to a gentle purr. As a 12 y.o kid I was impressed. He let me drive it a couple times in the three years we lived there. Guy was one hell of a handyman besides all that and began to teach shop at a local high school by '63. His previous tractor was a home-made '26 Chrysler with dual rear wheels, by then gently rotting in the grass at one end of the barn, and in the other end was a '38 Ford, stored for years, its glass turned yellow. Talk about existence living -- never did figure out how he made it for his family with wife and two kids. Pulp and fur trapping in winter, I guess. But small scale. One cow, one pig, three dozen chickens. It was my father who helped him get his teaching job. Great guy, great little tractor. Thanks for tickling the old memory cells. And great work, besides. Very good explanation of the crank grinding process. I never got into the details of that in my engineering career, ended up in an an electromechanical discipline. Enjoy watching each week.
Thank you. To be clear I know nothing about machining but it was fascinating to watch and discover the intricacies of grinding a crankshaft. I'd never before even thought about how complicated this process really is.
When you think about it, the jobs Jim does for fun are making a good hourly rate because they get UA-cam revenue and sponsorship on top of what you charge the customer. And that's because it's unusual and interesting. So keep doing those oddball jobs, Jim!
You recon an hourly rate of $75 ( $150 for the job that took 2 hours works out at $75 per hour)is a good return on his time and his investment in machinery? You are having a fucking laugh pal ignore the UA-cam income because that comes at a price of time and investment in video equipment and now paying someone a lot of the time to video the work being done as Nicholas said they should be charging $300 an hour and I agree with him!
@@samrodian919at $300/hrs virtually no one would have work done. $600 to have a crank ground for a stock rebuild? You just buy a replacement crank instead and if they aren't available you trash the whole engine. That mentality is why so many engines are rare and/or cost $$$$ now. That I can buy a remanufactured long block cheaper than I can get an engine machined (with me doing the assembly) is crazy.
@@samrodian919 You clearly have no idea how lucrative a YT channel can be if you know what you're doing - not to mention the exposure the business gets out of it. They wouldn't be doing it if it weren't worthwhile. Go back to your anger management meetings, and don't forget your medication.
@@TEDodd but how good is the standard of work on that block at those rock bottom prices we have a saying here in the UK ' you pays your money and you takes your choice'
@@samrodian919 I need to rebuild a Chevy 250. I can buy a long block for $2100 to my door with a 12mo/12k mi warranty. Or $1050 to clean/machine the block and heads. Plus $700 in parts. And any crank work. I can get a reground crank for $300. That's already not looking like a good value. If I could get it reground locally for $150 starts to make sense. If the cam can be saved/ground/polished for $100. more so. But really such work is becoming the realm of rare motors and numbers matching vehicles. Fore a basic driver it just doesn't make much sense now. Not like $20 years ago (even then I bought a reground crank cheaper than I could get my exiting one done. Still running 20 years later)
Thanks for an amazing video Jim and Nickolas. Wow-what a fantastic learning experience this was.!!!!!! Just incredible!!!!!! There are a lot and I mean a lot of Farmall Cub tractors around yet to this day. This video has to be of interest to all of those owners. That crankshaft looks just like a new one Jim. Fantastic job. I realize you put a lot of time into it but look at the final product. The owner Of that crank has to be really happy. Ready to go another many hours of running. Great learning tool here. I watched and learned a ton here again. Very enjoyable to watch you at work. Amazing how you touched all of those mains up to look like new. That polishing device you have worked beautifully. Thanks to both of you for your voice over as you ground that crankshaft. Appreciate the time you took to teach as you went. Great. You both take care and be safe. Thanks for everything. The retired Air Force veteran. 😊👍👍👋✅🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸
Many years ago, 1964, I purchased a second-hand 1960 Fiat 1500 in Zambia. I was told it had recently had an engine rebuild, crank grind, and pistons . Shortly after, we, my wife and 10 month old daughter, set off on a two and a half month camping vacation to South Africa where my father lived. We made it to about Gweru in what is now Zimbabwe before we ran a bearing. We limped another 100 miles to Bulawayo, where we took it to a Fiat dealer. They opened the engine and asked if we were AA members because the engine had been "done" by a butcher. There were marks on the crankshaft "nose," where the timing gear and crankshaft pulley mounted, from someone having turned the engine over using a pipe wrench it was so tight. The Fiat mechanic said he was surprised it had done the 2000 miles or so it had done since we purchased it. Their recommendation was a new sub assembly from Fiat, which would be cheaper and certainly quicker than having the butchered crank either repaired or replaced. We waited a couple of days for the new sub assembly from Harare and were on the road a day after that. That engine did another 50,000 miles before we traded the car on a new 1968 Fiat 125. But that's another whole different story. Thanks for an educational video. As an aside, a cousin of ours runs a Farmall Cub on his small holding outside of Brantford, Ontario, Canada. I have no idea of its age. Regards from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🇺🇦🕊🇺🇲💩🏁👍
Jim when it comes to crank grinding you are a true magician! It's about time Nicholas started having a go on some scrap cranks and Josh can video it. That would be a good laugh for us!( unless a wheel got busted. Then it wouldn't be a good day) but he has to learn if Jim wants to retire sometime before his 80 th birthday lol
I bought the very last Cub crank that was available the last time I did one of these. (That I know if through dealers) The thrust surfaces were absolutely wiped out on the one I replaced. Had an absurd amount of end play. This was in the '90s. And IIRC it was quite pricey. Came in a wooden box. The tractor had a belly mower and was being used to cut grass. It was a nice little machine.
Very interesting video, your talk about grinding different sizes remined me of my dad back in 1976 replacing the rod bearing in my mother's 1974 Plymouth fury. The oil pan was off from contact with a speed bump and dad decided to install new bearing while he was in. after two nights working on it after home from work, he discovered the engine had three different rod bearing sizes from the factory
Great job grinding the crank. In my career as a machinist I've done my fair share of grinding, Fouters spline grinders, Healed grinders. Campbell grinders. I've never heard of grinding to a cheek I've always thought it was a radius or a shoulder. Maybe I have learned something new today thank you.
I had that engine in a 1970 boat - the Palmer marine version (called the P60). What a little sweetie. So low compression it didn't even need a muffler. The thermostat never did work well, so I ended up running it overcooled, but it was all I could do. It's been years, but IIRC, in the tractor, it delivered 18hp at maybe 2500 rpm. Out of 60cid! In the boat, they set the redline at 3000, because it wasn't going to do the hours it would in a tractor. It made something like 22 hp.
Also, the version of this engine used by Palmer, had a counterbalanced crankshaft, which tolerated the higher rpm much better. In the early tractor, as seen here, they were rated 9 hp. Later versions with higher compression ratio, different carb and manifold and higher rpm, we’re as high as 18hp.
Amazing! I love how detailed y’all are! Microscopic crankshaft fur?! Wild! Also, love that you are giving new life to an old tractor! My grandpa has a couple Cubs so I’m glad to see another being restored!
ha! ha! a "Mickey" is a movement of a computer mouse! 0.1 millimeters. These crank grinding videos are SUPERB! I always puzzled how and now we have multiple incredibly detailed examples. Thank you both, so very, very much.
What are you going to do when the Cleaning Guy finely Retires . his knowledge is like just un real what he does and can do . i am amazed some times just watching him do what he does thanks for yet another great lesion on how its done cheers from N Q Australia
The crank grinder I used back in the day had lead bars that bolted to the chucks for counterbalance. I also had to dress the side of the wheel for VW cranks. This was a great video that took me back to the late 60's when i worked in a auto parts store machine shop. Thanks a million for the memories.
The workshop where I was a toolmaker in the UK had Colchester lathes, Bridgeport mills, assorted pedestal grinders, a Bridgeport clone under the XYZ brand and a bloody great Milwaukee vertical mill, I loved using that beast!
I had a 1951 Cub that was a honey. People were always impressed with how smooth and quiet the little engine ran. You could almost balance a quarter on edge on the cylinder head while it was running. Ended up giving it to my brother.
It is enjoyable to watch an affable and knowledgeable pro. Give a point by point video on machining components on an engine. This is such a great video and a great channel. You're a joy to watch cleaning guy. Wishing you all the very best.
When I was growing up my neighbor had a Farmall Cub with a flail mower underneath. It made for a nice cut. Including right up to the street curb. I would love to own one like it today.
I worked for an IH Dealership from 72 to 86 and I really enjoyed this Video. Those Old Tractors seldom came in for much work. Pretty good old engines if maintained.
Thank you, for a retired GM technician I repaired cars and truck for 50 years. I never watched a crank being ground. When I started working back in the 70's we rebuilt many engines. Between 50k to 75k it was time to hone and reseal most engines. I have a MAC tools MB1700 toolbox in my garage. According to MAC tools it was the heaviest toolbox they ever made. After moving it I believe it. The drawer slides were worn out. Contacted MAC, lifetime warranty. It got a lot of use in the 40 years I have owned it. Good video.
We still use an old early 50s cub for cultivating and fertilizing on our farm, it’s converted to 12 volt and it runs like a sewing machine, great little tractors they are.
You guys used to post your videos Sunday morning, I used to be able to watch him live while I was waking up for the day. Now you're posting them Saturday evening when I don't pay attention to my phone or youtube And so I always log in later and see the videos already there! Love the videos, love the work, keep it up!
Stop I miss seeing you guys this video every week hopefully everything's going okay with your families and everything I'm sure I'm not the only one missing your weekly videos see a new one soon you guys have a good one
machine shops I worked in as a maintenance mechanic had closed grinding rooms with air conditioning, and temperature controlled and filtered central coolant system. The machines where mostly kept running to maintain consistent size. Mostly spools and sleeves for hydraulic servo valves for aircraft
The FFA chapter at my high school purchased a brand new Farmall Cub in 1948. We cultivated and planted and learned a lot about that little tractor that year. Introductory price at the local dealer was $545.00. After I graduated the little Cub became the janitors workhorse for many years.
Years ago I worked for an engine machine shop! I found a love for Storm Valcon crank welder, and their crank grinders! I'm heading to retirement and I have a decent shop that I have been equipping! We call ourselves "AWE"! Assholes with engines,! Or anything with engines.! Actually it's Andrew with Eugene! Gonna be nice to get back to being, "the cleaning guy"!
Knowing nothing about this subject I just looked up the cost of machines. A ten year old crankshaft grinder coincidentally also made by Berco is for sale in UK £189k!!! 27:40
Ok, Jim you are good - very good . . . . . . when are you gonna give a scrap crank to Junior to learn the technique / machine - he's going to have to do it, as the Cleaner has got to stop sometime! Regarding 35 Mickeys - maybe 35" tall Mickie Thompson tires? - just a guess!
Back in the middle 90s I worked at a production machine company Doing crankshaft for Ford and Chrysler v-6 and both Chrysler v-10 truck cast and viper steel I was a stockroom attendant We kept over a million dollars worth of tooling inventory in the stock room at any time including cutters and grinding wheels most of the grinding wheels were Cincinnati micron and we would be getting new wheels about every week or two because we were running through them that much since we had multiple processes and grinders running I can remember destroying several wheels that were at the end of their usefulness for us we had the destroy them before we threw them away so no one could get a hold of them and put us in a liability situation
You saying about the crank flexing, one of the first things I remember being shown in the metrology lab was a surface table with a 12 inches long 2 inch diameter post, a stack of slip gauges measuring 10 inches or so with the gauge on the top of the post giving a length between fixed points of 11”, then zeroed the gauge. The lecturer put his little finger on the top of the post and pressed down without bending his finger and the gauge showed 2 or 3 tenths of movement… just from pressing down on the post with his little finger! Yes a steel crankshaft will flex! 😳
Every time the cook text the cleaning guy for lunch in your videos. I have the same ring tone for my wife’s text. I tend to jump up to look at my phone to see what she needs. Then I realize is the video. Thank for posting.
Neighbor across the street growing up had one. He bought it new and used it exclusively as his daily tractor because he had leg issues. His was yellow and white. International made them in yellow and white while the FARMALL ones were red. Dad always said the international ones ran better. Funny thing was the rotary mower was a woods and for some reason I believe it was reverse rotation as it ran off the PTO on the back to idler wheels on the mower lift that ran off the 3 point to the blade. You could remove the mover and run it with 3 pt implements. Another interesting fact is the rear was portal axles on the standard model giving it more ground clearance.
Factory cranks can come with one are 2 under size journals. The scraps almost nothing. Also have seen new cars knocking from the factory. Std bearings on a .010 under journal.
If you are running a dirt track car, only have a few races left, and spin a rod bearing,. And it's a pure stock or sportsman or similar. Heck why not offset grind the crank.010" or .020" or slightly more and use small journal rods. Like in a SBC. Get a 3.50" stroke from a 350's 3.480" stroke. It will possibly wear faster but the extra cubes could win the race. Even if Chevy didn't make a small journal 350! Plus the loss of rotating mass.
I might remember this wrongly, but I recall that I used a place in Signal Hill, California that would weld material or hard chrome onto the crank and then machine it off to correct "centering" issues and when undersize bearings were unavailable, Does that sound right? This place was known for making "stroker cranks" for drag racing.
@@billincolumbia thanks, this was in the 70's and I wasn't sure that was a correct memory... I'm thinking shot peening and nitriding was on that bill too... I'd spun a bearing....
I had a driver job delivering high dollar billet blanks out of Chicago to Detroit and the burbs from Toledo Ohio to pinconing mi , delivered to a place in Detroit that made crankshafts was a very interesting place 😊
Have you guys ever herd of STEIRNER. ? You can by replacement parts , I have used them many times, and there parts are good . Also there is all states AG parts , witch are OEM certified .
When hot rodders increase the stroke of an engine how do they do it? My theory (engineer, not engines) was the diameter of the connection rod bearing is reduced and offset to a center farther from the theoretical center of rotation, or, offset the entire crankshaft with new main bearing supports and longer connecting rods, or the right way. How is it done?
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Is farmer vandalism different than regular vandalism I wonder? Either way, the "could pull 35 mickeys and still had enough" part has been removed with the explanation below.
"This is the current revision of this page, as edited by 75.80.61.48 (talk) at 04:32, 8 September 2024 (removed vandalism)."
I don’t know why more engine builders don’t support this channel these guys explain everything so that a total novice can understand it . Good job guys.
The golden nugget of this channel is its small crowd that knows when they see a gem!
People tend to throw around comments like yea just turn the crank, sure just stick a sleeve in it. But they have no idea what it takes to do the job. You guys are great explainers. Love your channel.
Some engine builders may be afraid they’ll lose some clients to this shop.
The yellow paint is supposed to be a safety measure for visibility on the road. 😊
My grandfather in Michigan bought a Farmall Cub in 1947, the first year of them. He got rid of his team of horses and farmed his 40-acre hobby farm until he died in the mid-70's. I've owned 3 of them, and they are really interesting little tractors.
I really enjoy watching your videos, even though I did machine work my whole life. I never did automotive machine work.
Also I think it’s great to see father and son working together. I’m the same age as your dad and I think it’s funny to listen to him talk about it being fun to do this work and you are trying to make a living with this . Just listen to your dad and you will be successful. At this point your dad has forgotten more than you know. But it will to you in time.
Just be thankful you have your father involved in your life. So many people look back after their father has passed and wish they would have been closer to their father . This is a blessing, you may not realize this . But in time you will. God bless all of your family
I love your comment on the tool box wear from employees and I totally agree. I am a maintenance mechanic and as I am the only one using my tool boxes I know that I have to treat some boxes with kid gloves just to make them last as the quality just isn't there now especially in the drawer glides. I love watching you two doing machining and envy your quality machines and your knowledge. Thanks so much for taking us along on this one.
My father told me that I should treat tools that belong to someone else with more care than I do my own. I worked for a company for over 20 years and my boss couldn't believe that I got more upset over equipment being abused than he did. I told him that their equipment was what was used to pay our wages and unnecessary damage was a threat to our having a job.
Watching the man and his machine work together is a real treat !
As the proud owner of a 48 Cub, I’m super excited to watch this.
Nice, my mother in law declared a few years ago that our son was inheriting the cub that's been in her family for years. It's been sitting out in the weather up at their place for as long as I can remember, kid just turned 8, and I'm hopeful he can talk his Grammy into letting us bring it the couple miles to my garage to start restoring it soon.
Mine is a '49 Cub. Had to use lawnmower engine tools to rebuild the engine. These things are so forgiving on tolerances.
The Cub was the first tractor I drove to help Dad cultivate the garden. The offset view helped me stay out of trouble and away from the the growing plants!
It’s fun to see the different engines you both work on. It’s also good that it’s recognized that there is a difference in price of a job, as if cost is too high for something like a hobby tractor, there is a point where no one will ever rebuild them for fun.
Thank you for taking the time to explain this. Crank grinding and cam grinding look to be the most difficult jobs in an automotive machine shop.
Thank you so much for the in depth view of this crankshaft grinding process, the professional work this shop does is outstanding.
Also used in the tobacco fields pulling a narrow open trailer.. I learned at 10 years old to drive this tractor in the field, got payed .15 cents a hour. They call the driver a “‘trucker”. In North Carolina , 1965 tobacco was king… and jobs for poor kids to make school clothes for the next school year.
I recall getting paid 15 cents to pluck turkeys for thanksgiving. Hard to get rich on farm work. The farmer's wife feeds you good though.
Lots of Farmalls still at work here in NC. We use our 140 all the time for different gardening and farm chores.
Four “Croppers” would pick the tobacco plants bottom yellowing leaves and tuck it under there arm. When they were full ,they put it on the single axle trailer and I would pull up some and wait for them to crop up to me… when the trailer was full ,I would drop it off and get a empty trailer,continuing. The farmer would toe the trailer to the barn and loopers would tie it on a toebacker stick ..later flue cured. The farmers wife would cook lunch. Man she could cook. ….. it was hard work.. then there was tobacco harvesters. Still hard work,but easer..I live in Ohio now.. 70 years old but NC is still in my heart..
In '59, our family emigrated from Portsmouth England to rural Nova Scotia Canada. Dad rented a house seven miles from the town where his new job was.
Next door was a "small acreage farmer" with a '56 Cub. He used that thing to the max, plowing, hoeing, sickle-cutting hay, the PTO to run a circular saw to produce pulpwood from his 575 acres. Had a large trailer he piled high with hay and cut spruce. Our first summer in Canada was kind of magic for me, and due in no small part to that Cub and hayrides. He had additional wheel weights for both front and rear. Thing always seemed so even-tempered, but 9 horsepower per litre kind of tones things down to a gentle purr.
As a 12 y.o kid I was impressed. He let me drive it a couple times in the three years we lived there. Guy was one hell of a handyman besides all that and began to teach shop at a local high school by '63.
His previous tractor was a home-made '26 Chrysler with dual rear wheels, by then gently rotting in the grass at one end of the barn, and in the other end was a '38 Ford, stored for years, its glass turned yellow. Talk about existence living -- never did figure out how he made it for his family with wife and two kids. Pulp and fur trapping in winter, I guess. But small scale. One cow, one pig, three dozen chickens. It was my father who helped him get his teaching job. Great guy, great little tractor.
Thanks for tickling the old memory cells. And great work, besides. Very good explanation of the crank grinding process. I never got into the details of that in my engineering career, ended up in an an electromechanical discipline. Enjoy watching each week.
Thank you. To be clear I know nothing about machining but it was fascinating to watch and discover the intricacies of grinding a crankshaft. I'd never before even thought about how complicated this process really is.
When you think about it, the jobs Jim does for fun are making a good hourly rate because they get UA-cam revenue and sponsorship on top of what you charge the customer. And that's because it's unusual and interesting. So keep doing those oddball jobs, Jim!
You recon an hourly rate of $75 ( $150 for the job that took 2 hours works out at $75 per hour)is a good return on his time and his investment in machinery? You are having a fucking laugh pal ignore the UA-cam income because that comes at a price of time and investment in video equipment and now paying someone a lot of the time to video the work being done as Nicholas said they should be charging $300 an hour and I agree with him!
@@samrodian919at $300/hrs virtually no one would have work done. $600 to have a crank ground for a stock rebuild? You just buy a replacement crank instead and if they aren't available you trash the whole engine. That mentality is why so many engines are rare and/or cost $$$$ now.
That I can buy a remanufactured long block cheaper than I can get an engine machined (with me doing the assembly) is crazy.
@@samrodian919 You clearly have no idea how lucrative a YT channel can be if you know what you're doing - not to mention the exposure the business gets out of it. They wouldn't be doing it if it weren't worthwhile. Go back to your anger management meetings, and don't forget your medication.
@@TEDodd but how good is the standard of work on that block at those rock bottom prices we have a saying here in the UK ' you pays your money and you takes your choice'
@@samrodian919 I need to rebuild a Chevy 250. I can buy a long block for $2100 to my door with a 12mo/12k mi warranty.
Or $1050 to clean/machine the block and heads. Plus $700 in parts. And any crank work. I can get a reground crank for $300.
That's already not looking like a good value.
If I could get it reground locally for $150 starts to make sense. If the cam can be saved/ground/polished for $100. more so.
But really such work is becoming the realm of rare motors and numbers matching vehicles. Fore a basic driver it just doesn't make much sense now. Not like $20 years ago (even then I bought a reground crank cheaper than I could get my exiting one done. Still running 20 years later)
Love it ! ....And when You mentioned ABOM ....That was great. Much like the "Cleaning Guy" , Adam is a true perfectionist.
Fundamental engineering to the highest level that ANY engineer understands from the last 50/60/70 years or so,,,, marvellous keep it up 👍👍
Thanks for an amazing video Jim and Nickolas.
Wow-what a fantastic learning experience this was.!!!!!! Just incredible!!!!!!
There are a lot and I mean a lot of Farmall Cub tractors around yet to this day. This video has to be of interest to all of those owners.
That crankshaft looks just like a new one Jim. Fantastic job. I realize you put a lot of time into it but look at the final product. The owner
Of that crank has to be really happy. Ready to go another many hours of running.
Great learning tool here. I watched and learned a ton here again. Very enjoyable to watch you at work. Amazing how you touched all of those mains up to look like new. That polishing device you have worked beautifully.
Thanks to both of you for your voice over as you ground that crankshaft. Appreciate the time you took to teach as you went. Great.
You both take care and be safe. Thanks for everything.
The retired Air Force veteran.
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Many years ago, 1964, I purchased a second-hand 1960 Fiat 1500 in Zambia. I was told it had recently had an engine rebuild, crank grind, and pistons . Shortly after, we, my wife and 10 month old daughter, set off on a two and a half month camping vacation to South Africa where my father lived. We made it to about Gweru in what is now Zimbabwe before we ran a bearing. We limped another 100 miles to Bulawayo, where we took it to a Fiat dealer. They opened the engine and asked if we were AA members because the engine had been "done" by a butcher. There were marks on the crankshaft "nose," where the timing gear and crankshaft pulley mounted, from someone having turned the engine over using a pipe wrench it was so tight. The Fiat mechanic said he was surprised it had done the 2000 miles or so it had done since we purchased it. Their recommendation was a new sub assembly from Fiat, which would be cheaper and certainly quicker than having the butchered crank either repaired or replaced. We waited a couple of days for the new sub assembly from Harare and were on the road a day after that. That engine did another 50,000 miles before we traded the car on a new 1968 Fiat 125.
But that's another whole different story.
Thanks for an educational video.
As an aside, a cousin of ours runs a Farmall Cub on his small holding outside of Brantford, Ontario, Canada. I have no idea of its age.
Regards from Canada's banana belt. 🤞🇨🇦🍌🥋🇺🇦🕊🇺🇲💩🏁👍
Jim when it comes to crank grinding you are a true magician! It's about time Nicholas started having a go on some scrap cranks and Josh can video it. That would be a good laugh for us!( unless a wheel got busted. Then it wouldn't be a good day) but he has to learn if Jim wants to retire sometime before his 80 th birthday lol
Nicholas could do it, I learned from a Van Norman owners manual
I bought the very last Cub crank that was available the last time I did one of these. (That I know if through dealers) The thrust surfaces were absolutely wiped out on the one I replaced. Had an absurd amount of end play. This was in the '90s. And IIRC it was quite pricey. Came in a wooden box. The tractor had a belly mower and was being used to cut grass. It was a nice little machine.
Very interesting video, your talk about grinding different sizes remined me of my dad back in 1976 replacing the rod bearing in my mother's 1974 Plymouth fury. The oil pan was off from contact with a speed bump and dad decided to install new bearing while he was in. after two nights working on it after home from work, he discovered the engine had three different rod bearing sizes from the factory
Love your work. Good to see father and son team working well together.
That’s one smooth crank after you guys got done with it. Nice job!
Setup of the tooling was a nice addition; appreciated the Q+A as well. You're doing a great job building an awesome channel!
Great job grinding the crank.
In my career as a machinist I've done my fair share of grinding,
Fouters spline grinders, Healed grinders. Campbell grinders. I've never heard of grinding to a cheek I've always thought it was a radius or a shoulder. Maybe I have learned something new today thank you.
Brings back fond memories watching you on that Peterson grinder. I learned on and used one from 1977 until 2009. Great machine.
I had that engine in a 1970 boat - the Palmer marine version (called the P60). What a little sweetie. So low compression it didn't even need a muffler. The thermostat never did work well, so I ended up running it overcooled, but it was all I could do. It's been years, but IIRC, in the tractor, it delivered 18hp at maybe 2500 rpm. Out of 60cid! In the boat, they set the redline at 3000, because it wasn't going to do the hours it would in a tractor. It made something like 22 hp.
Also, the version of this engine used by Palmer, had a counterbalanced crankshaft, which tolerated the higher rpm much better. In the early tractor, as seen here, they were rated 9 hp. Later versions with higher compression ratio, different carb and manifold and higher rpm, we’re as high as 18hp.
@@garydotson2277 thank you! I did not know the engine had a different crank!
Amazing! I love how detailed y’all are! Microscopic crankshaft fur?! Wild! Also, love that you are giving new life to an old tractor! My grandpa has a couple Cubs so I’m glad to see another being restored!
I rebuilt a lot of Continental engines Y91 ,Y112 the cranks were a bit larger , you guys do,a fantastic job 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
I absolutely love watching the crankshaft grinding videos, as a machinist it really fascinates me.
Thanks for explaining stuff while you guys work!
ha! ha! a "Mickey" is a movement of a computer mouse! 0.1 millimeters. These crank grinding videos are SUPERB! I always puzzled how and now we have multiple incredibly detailed examples. Thank you both, so very, very much.
What are you going to do when the Cleaning Guy finely Retires . his knowledge is like just un real what he does and can do . i am amazed some times just watching him do what he does thanks for yet another great lesion on how its done
cheers from N Q Australia
The crank grinder I used back in the day had lead bars that bolted to the chucks for counterbalance. I also had to dress the side of the wheel for VW cranks. This was a great video that took me back to the late 60's when i worked in a auto parts store machine shop. Thanks a million for the memories.
The workshop where I was a toolmaker in the UK had Colchester lathes, Bridgeport mills, assorted pedestal grinders, a Bridgeport clone under the XYZ brand and a bloody great Milwaukee vertical mill, I loved using that beast!
I had a 1951 Cub that was a honey. People were always impressed with how smooth and quiet the little engine ran. You could almost balance a quarter on edge on the cylinder head while it was running. Ended up giving it to my brother.
I have never heard of that "fur" on a surface after grinding, but after hearing your explaination it makes perfect sense.
It is enjoyable to watch an affable and knowledgeable pro. Give a point by point video on machining components on an engine. This is such a great video and a great channel. You're a joy to watch cleaning guy. Wishing you all the very best.
When I was growing up my neighbor had a Farmall Cub with a flail mower underneath. It made for a nice cut. Including right up to the street curb. I would love to own one like it today.
I worked for an IH Dealership from 72 to 86 and I really enjoyed this Video. Those Old Tractors seldom came in for much work. Pretty good old engines if maintained.
Shoutout to Abomb, another channel devoted to sharing the details of being a professional.
Thank you, for a retired GM technician I repaired cars and truck for 50 years. I never watched a crank being ground. When I started working back in the 70's we rebuilt many engines. Between 50k to 75k it was time to hone and reseal most engines. I have a MAC tools MB1700 toolbox in my garage. According to MAC tools it was the heaviest toolbox they ever made. After moving it I believe it. The drawer slides were worn out. Contacted MAC, lifetime warranty. It got a lot of use in the 40 years I have owned it. Good video.
I watched rhis while on the exercise bike. 1hr 10min felt like 10min. Love the content, Jim is as dry as they come. Thanks Gents.
We still use an old early 50s cub for cultivating and fertilizing on our farm, it’s converted to 12 volt and it runs like a sewing machine, great little tractors they are.
I really enjoy watching your videos especially father and son
There are the perfect videos when I want to chill while still feeling like I’m getting something done, it’s like we’re here with you guys
Excellent video guys ! Educational, fascinating & satisfying! Thank you!
All this is very clear I think I can leave my crankshaft to this man!
Noticed that everything is very clean. The cleaning man has been in action! 🙂
57:00 It is confusing to us "metric people". Haha!
Still love watching extremely skilled "imperial guys" like you doing some awesome precision work!
Andrews your father is a treasure of knowledge and character
Thanks for the video. Like the way you explain things when you are doing the different things.
Another excellent video guys !
Such a beautifully maintained machine. I’ve been after one for years. They are all shot and worn out
Great job guys ! I learned a lot as I always do when watching your videos. A big Thank You ! ! !
Thanks for another great video with a lot of good information
I love the detailed explanations
Keep them coming.
thanks so much for the explination. I have seen you and others do this and never had an idea what was going on.
I have an IH 184 cub lo boy yard tractor with a C 60 motor in it that I am going to restore this winter…so happy to see this…
You guys used to post your videos Sunday morning, I used to be able to watch him live while I was waking up for the day. Now you're posting them Saturday evening when I don't pay attention to my phone or youtube And so I always log in later and see the videos already there! Love the videos, love the work, keep it up!
We’re moving back to Sundays soon. Had some scheduling conflicts so we moved to Saturday for a few lol
Stop I miss seeing you guys this video every week hopefully everything's going okay with your families and everything I'm sure I'm not the only one missing your weekly videos see a new one soon you guys have a good one
It would help if you polished the crank pin after the crank ground to achieve more surface smoothness.
machine shops I worked in as a maintenance mechanic had closed grinding rooms with air conditioning, and temperature controlled and filtered central coolant system. The machines where mostly kept running to maintain consistent size. Mostly spools and sleeves for hydraulic servo valves for aircraft
Always fun to watch you guys working.
That's very cool editing with the close up of the guage laid over. Great stuff.
Well, now you need to go and tour some machine shops around the world. Content!
The FFA chapter at my high school purchased a brand new Farmall Cub in 1948. We cultivated and planted and learned a lot about that little tractor that year. Introductory price at the local dealer was $545.00. After I graduated the little Cub became the janitors workhorse for many years.
Years ago I worked for an engine machine shop! I found a love for Storm Valcon crank welder, and their crank grinders! I'm heading to retirement and I have a decent shop that I have been equipping! We call ourselves "AWE"! Assholes with engines,! Or anything with engines.! Actually it's Andrew with Eugene! Gonna be nice to get back to being, "the cleaning guy"!
Much respect to the masters, great video.
Am always impressed by what a machinist can do. that's a lot of math, my uncle was one and my grandfather also. very cool guys.
Knowing nothing about this subject I just looked up the cost of machines. A ten year old crankshaft grinder coincidentally also made by Berco is for sale in UK £189k!!! 27:40
Ok, Jim you are good - very good . . . . . . when are you gonna give a scrap crank to Junior to learn the technique / machine - he's going to have to do it, as the Cleaner has got to stop sometime! Regarding 35 Mickeys - maybe 35" tall Mickie Thompson tires? - just a guess!
Absolutely fascinating..... Love the discussion about whether to grind to the true centres or running centres.
Thanks for another great hangout with Dad video in the shop.
I never knew how crank grinding was do. Always wondered but never thought that this was how the grinding machine worked. Very enlightening.
Amazing skills and craftsmanship . Thanks for sharing !
Back in the middle 90s I worked at a production machine company
Doing crankshaft for Ford and Chrysler v-6 and both Chrysler v-10 truck cast and viper steel
I was a stockroom attendant
We kept over a million dollars worth of tooling inventory in the stock room at any time including cutters and grinding wheels most of the grinding wheels were Cincinnati micron and we would be getting new wheels about every week or two because we were running through them that much since we had multiple processes and grinders running I can remember destroying several wheels that were at the end of their usefulness for us we had the destroy them before we threw them away so no one could get a hold of them and put us in a liability situation
Shoutout Abom da bomb!
You saying about the crank flexing, one of the first things I remember being shown in the metrology lab was a surface table with a 12 inches long 2 inch diameter post, a stack of slip gauges measuring 10 inches or so with the gauge on the top of the post giving a length between fixed points of 11”, then zeroed the gauge.
The lecturer put his little finger on the top of the post and pressed down without bending his finger and the gauge showed 2 or 3 tenths of movement… just from pressing down on the post with his little finger!
Yes a steel crankshaft will flex! 😳
Years ago my neighbor had a Farmall Cub and he used to plow my garden with it..
We finish our cranks on inter-motions. This was cool to watch
Every time the cook text the cleaning guy for lunch in your videos. I have the same ring tone for my wife’s text. I tend to jump up to look at my phone to see what she needs. Then I realize is the video. Thank for posting.
"Tighten the highs & loosen the lows" Abom79! 🤓
From the knowledge and ability I've seen you should be charging more! Thanks for sharing!
Cool machine...well done!
How long did the setup prior to the grinding take? The magic of editing makes it seem insignificant.
Neighbor across the street growing up had one. He bought it new and used it exclusively as his daily tractor because he had leg issues. His was yellow and white. International made them in yellow and white while the FARMALL ones were red. Dad always said the international ones ran better.
Funny thing was the rotary mower was a woods and for some reason I believe it was reverse rotation as it ran off the PTO on the back to idler wheels on the mower lift that ran off the 3 point to the blade. You could remove the mover and run it with 3 pt implements.
Another interesting fact is the rear was portal axles on the standard model giving it more ground clearance.
Enjoy the process on this project... good content and thanks....🔧🔧👍
I loved doing single cylinder or 2 cylinder small engine cranks, clamp one end, center and GO! Easy money 💰
Love the Farmall's we had three of them on our small crops farm when I was a kid.
Factory cranks can come with one are 2 under size journals. The scraps almost nothing. Also have seen new cars knocking from the factory. Std bearings on a .010 under journal.
If you are running a dirt track car, only have a few races left, and spin a rod bearing,. And it's a pure stock or sportsman or similar. Heck why not offset grind the crank.010" or .020" or slightly more and use small journal rods. Like in a SBC. Get a 3.50" stroke from a 350's 3.480" stroke. It will possibly wear faster but the extra cubes could win the race. Even if Chevy didn't make a small journal 350! Plus the loss of rotating mass.
I might remember this wrongly, but I recall that I used a place in Signal Hill, California that would weld material or hard chrome onto the crank and then machine it off to correct "centering" issues and when undersize bearings were unavailable, Does that sound right? This place was known for making "stroker cranks" for drag racing.
Yep, they do that.
@@billincolumbia thanks, this was in the 70's and I wasn't sure that was a correct memory... I'm thinking shot peening and nitriding was on that bill too... I'd spun a bearing....
I have a shop in Italy. Mixture of USA and Italian old heavy tooling.
I had a driver job delivering high dollar billet blanks out of Chicago to Detroit and the burbs from Toledo Ohio to pinconing mi , delivered to a place in Detroit that made crankshafts was a very interesting place 😊
Good job on the Cubby Crank
Awesome job!! I wish we had a machine shop around here. They all have disappeared. Thanks Guys!
That crank is beautiful !
Nice job, that crank looks good and the price is not bad at all.
Have you guys ever herd of STEIRNER. ? You can by replacement parts , I have used them many times, and there parts are good .
Also there is all states AG parts , witch are OEM certified .
Love the channel boys thanks for the great content
When hot rodders increase the stroke of an engine how do they do it? My theory (engineer, not engines) was the diameter of the connection rod bearing is reduced and offset to a center farther from the theoretical center of rotation, or, offset the entire crankshaft with new main bearing supports and longer connecting rods, or the right way. How is it done?
Reduce the rod bearing diameter while offset grinding the journal.