“Cancel Culture Is Unproductive!” Waterstones Sacks Influencer Who Hit Out At Gender-Critical Author
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- Waterstones has sacked a book influencer who said she’d enjoy ‘tearing up’ a gender-critical author’s work.
Talk’s Kevin O’Sullivan discusses the story with free speech advocate Lois McLatchie Miller.
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Please stop calling them trans “women”, they are NOT women!
They also need to stop calling illiberal people liberals.
Trans women are women
Paraphilic men are men
No, keep calling them transwomen because that is what they are (some of them). What they are not are women, I agree with you on that.
@@glastiger7598 I'm a girl that wears nappies and pees myself, I'm wet right now
The book seller cannot "love books" very much if she is posting about destroying them. No wonder Waterstones fired her. Her job is to SELL books, not to be a self-imposed censor, or to destroy books.
Good for Waterstone's!!😄
Groomer
@@salaciouscrumb555 Moron.
Yes good for wate stones.
Well done Waterstones.
This is not a free speech issue. They had a policy to protect their brand. This person threatened to burn and destroy books, she was threatening. The very fact she was fired with her views proves she was extreme as they are usually immune from it.
Ah, so presumably you agree with the supermarket who sacked someone for sharing a Billy Connolly joke on Twitter? If so, fair enough. If not, it's hypocrisy. Believing in free speech means believing in free speech we agree with, but also believing in free speech for those we disagree with, find stupid and offensive.
Remember compelled speech is Fascism and a breach of human rights
@@harrygraham5810 it is - so why do the Left keep insisting on compelling other speech? Whilst crying that people who refuse are the facists.
The left are totalitarian
According to them it's progressivism now.
@@MrReubenTishkoff what they really mean is regressivism
@@harrygraham5810 they mean progressivism. Regressivism is what they _are_ ... 😉
@@MrReubenTishkoff im still waiting for them to create trans animals of other species or ones that identify as non binary so they can show how its a normal thing we should all accept, instead of the truth of male and female only.
Spoiled brats is what they are called
Not the whole story is it? She threatened to burn books owned by waterstones
Does that make any difference? did the nazi fascists only burn certain publishers' books?
No, she was sacked for her social media posts in matters connected to her job, not for her opinions.
@@fabiennemitchell2371 yes in which she said she was going to burn the books? That are the property of waterstones?
@@fabiennemitchell2371 She wouldn't have been sacked for Tweeting that she loved bunnies would she?
@@barryevans791
Tilly Fitzgerald might have been sacked if the rule against social media posts was strictly applied to ensure that no staff members bought the company into disrepute or controversy on a present or future contentious matter. Such areas include, for example:
- the social justice cultural wars (BLM, trans, race, DEI, the BBC and bias),
- war (Ukraine & Russia, Israel & Hamas, China & Taiwan),
- politics (the UK election and opinions as to which party is "racist", Trump v Biden) and so on.
She breached her employment contract
The most I want to hear from a person selling books is oh that is a good read and nothing else thanks. Destroying books is like burning art. Delia Morris
oh, so we're finally punishing the gender zealots?
I hope so.
Tilly Fitzgerald was sacked for using social media on matters about her job, not because of her views.
@@fabiennemitchell2371 Wrong again, how many times do you have to state the same thing?
@@barryevans791
Why am I wrong?
@@fabiennemitchell2371 .. I think you are right, but I cannot speak for Waterstones. Their main purpose is to sell the books they order. Delia Morris
That's what preoccupies me for years. There is so much agression in this "liberal" movement. If I don't agree with something, why the hell should I want to destroy it? I think you must be very frustrated and insecure for that.
Please stop calling them liberals: They're socialists, the exact opposite of a Liberal.
The liberals are illiberal, who would have thought.
Concerning gender ideology, I was using the gender neutral toilet at my workplace yesterday and two things occurred to me. The first was that when we used to have a toilet purely for men, if I wanted to urinate, I could use a urinal rather than the current situation where I have to use a cubicle where a lot of the time I have to pull up a toilet seat which means increased contact and more germs. The second thing that struck me was that before shared toilets we didn't have the need for disposal bins for women's sanitary products in men's toilets. I know this is a necessary requirement for women and I'm not criticising, but why do men have to put up with this extra hygiene risk just for the sake of an ideology?
Fairly sure the point of the hygiene bins is to contain the risk, so you weren't exposed to any extra risk, as long as you didn't go fucking around with the hygiene bin, did you? Tell us you didn't fuck around with the hygiene bin... please!
Don't put the seat up.
The toilets at the RSC now have female toilets (thank goodness) and the men’s is gender neutral. I enjoyed walking past recently to a huge queue for the “men’s” and all of them grumbling about the need to queue. I assume this is because they’d got rid of the urinals. If you have a penis and favour a dress I’m unsure how upsetting a urinal can be?!
Gender neutral toilets are an abomination
Shuuush.. Remember, you're a man. That means you don't have the right to comment on any of this.
Seems like progress to me...Now get rid of Sensitivity Readers" in the Publishing Industry.
Well done Waterstones if they did this for the right reason ie no woke ideology if so I’ll make it the place to buy books.
They did it because they sell books and want to make a profit. Employing someone who does not want to sell books is rather contra their mission statement.
she just had to be called Tilly😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 that's where arrogant intolerance gets you, maybe she needs to learn to have an open mind.....might help her to grow up and realise she can be wrong
She can still read books from a library if she loved them so much!📚
“Tilly” thick skinned, down to earth working class girl I assume 🤔
😂
The first thing I was ever taught by my dear departed dad was to look after a book. All books whether reference, historical or fiction, and at 52 I do to this day. Wash hands, don’t break the spine and respect what is written.
not all books deserve respect. It depends on what's between the cover... acompendium of Penthouse, gold gilt edges and bound in fine-grained leather.. is still penthouse...
its only print in page.. respect? nah.
As a student I creased the front cover of my Riverside Chaucer through injudicious handling. I went inconsolably until opening time.
@@rachellandry3116 all books deserve respect even if the content doesn't. You have no idea which ones will survive time and give us a glimpse into the past for an accurate view of the good and the bad even if that's 'mein kampf' or Wordsworth's poetry about grief, clouds and daffodils
@@rachellandry3116 Showing your Neanderthal traits nicely!
She literally said she’d tear up books that she doesn’t agree with. How can a bookstore keep her employed after that? The victim narrative is getting exhausting!
She could have just ignored & not reviewed the books. Anyone who loves books WILL NOT EVER tear up a book & bin them.
Waterstones are 💯 within their rights to terminate her employment.
I like Waterstones... now I love them! Well done Waterstones!
Biological women are women. Transmen are transmen not women. Good for Waterstones.
She needs to take them to a tribunal
@@judyparsons1333 I don't think she'd get very far. Waterstones HR will be air tight, the dismissal will have been done by the book. Good for them.
Silly Billy Tilly was not quite the right fit for her job.
😂😂😂good one!👏👏
Because she was going to destroy books owned by Waterstones, that is why she was sacked.
Women do not even back each other up, they need to stand against the trans nonesence
Who do you think gave the t's the platform and backing they heeded to become privilaged enough to attack women?
Heard of karma?
@@user-hg2ow2em6nit was misogynists like you. You weakling
Women do back each other up, but there are a lot of traitors sadly.
The sisterhood is the tightest cult of them all
Women are not a homogenous group that all think and act the same way - as you seem to imagine. It has nothing to do with "backing each other up" - we're not a gang from the "West Side Story". 🙄
Tilly needs to read some books on karma! 🤭
It's misogyny to say any wmn should face the consequences of her actions.
Labour has said that they will make Misogyny a hate crime.
Never an excuse for burning books
What goes around comes around....
What's good for the goose is good for the gander...
Karma is a b*itch....
Good.
Waterstones is a class act
Well done Waterstones. If you won't stand against 'book burning' who will, eh?
Evelyn Beatrice Hall would be proud of you for this stance and action.
Cancel culture is exactly the same thing as blame culture, not just unproductive, but counter productive.
You are paid to put books out..Not rip them up, love…
She would have been delighted if someone was sacked or cancelled for agreeing with JKR’s beliefs. Sorry but what’s good for the goose is good for the gander! No sympathy suck it up!
Poor Tilly, gotta attend book anger management training...😢
There not even trans women, just trans,, there men , full stop
What are Waterstones media policies?
Has Waterstones fired anyone else?
How would she know what the author thinks if she hasn't read the book?
Presumably her job was to READ and review, not throw books in the garbage and tell other not to purchase.
Is free speech as a representative of a company, need to be more circumspect ?
Is she giving an honest critique or suggesting that this book should be thrown out unread because of her personal biases?
It does make one wonder if she is incapable of doing her job and brings into doubt if she has actually read and reviewed previous books.🎉
More journalism, facts, and information, less um um um
There is no big issue apart from Tilly Fitzgerald using social media in a way that connected her to her employer. Social media posts was a forbidden act, and it did not matter what her thoughts were.
@@fabiennemitchell2371 Good to know, thanks. That sheds a completely different light on the situation.
Oh dear. What a shame. Not.
I support free speech. I do not want to see anyone fired for their speech....even when I dislike what they say.
I still support Waterstones ❤
Recycle not put in the bin
Ms. McLatchie Miller, the pro-trans ideology side of this debate is not the "liberal" side. Many liberals are opposed to trans ideology. Trans people and most of the media like to say we're all conservatives bcuz it's easier for them to dismiss us then. We are from all points on the political spectrum. I'm surprised to hear you don't know that.
Waterstones have finally got the message, I’ve been purchasing books elsewhere for the past year since they started selling the propaganda book ‘beautiful black british history’, it should have been called the book of lies and trying to rewrite history. If they want my custom again they will stop selling that rubbish for a start.
Another virtuous waste of space bites the dust,
Well Tilly has a lot of free time now to love books. 📕
The whole cancel culture stems from the Me-too movement - which, by the way, was also about confused women.
No, it wasn't.
Key word "also". Bring back the days when people didn't want to throw paint everywhere, tear down statues and cancel people they don't agree with.
What books were they burning, Kevin?
I totally disagree with Tilly's comments but I also deplore people being fired for expressing opinions on their own time and their own social media - even ridiculous opinions.
It’s not the JK Rowling point of view it’s the grownup point of view, though I believe JK, bless her, does indeed share it. 😂😂😂
Its perfectly OK to believe what you want, but a book seller should remember Fahrenheit 451, its what the Michael Moore movie Fahrrenheit 9 11 was in title based on, and not support burning books, as they oppose the beliefs of the person, she is perfectly entitled to believe what she likes, but not to support burning books of pretty typical mainstream beliefs, I could understand if it was some far out hateful extremism, but even then its not for her to burn books, but gender critical beliefs are quite normal and mainstream. She should really be apologising. We are all guilty of hyperbole, but that would have been a better thing. Book sellers are for selling books, not for burning books, thats not their job. Its simple. A book seller should love books, and love reading all sorts of opinions, to support, or even pull them apart, burning books is not the move of intellectuals. Firstly she should apologise.
would she have bought them first. I can quite see why Waterhouse is worried.
The "liberal" side my... eye.
pretty sure she got rehired after the lgbt made a stink. personally i find it abhorrent that u cant even go to a bookstore and buy a book without getting harassed by these crazies
She now has plenty of time to do more reading........to confirm her own ideas.
Wow free publicity, now I'm curious about this author. Need to buy the book
Bloody Tilly!
If she bought the books, she can destroy them if she wants.
If she doesn't: Prison seems like a good answer.
Threatening to destroy the books... that goes to the above two conditions. However, an employer whose business is to sell books won't like the threat to destroy books: Bad form and off to the unemployment line it is.
Tilly Fitzgerald breached her employment contract about social media - the only reason she was sacked.
Exactly. Delia Morris
This is the way of things now.. don’t agree with something? Whaaa whaa.. whaaa I’m going to cancel them.. ignore them and claim they’re evil. This was foreseen years ago when kids were given way too much leeway.. no discipline, never told no.. this is the result. I’m 40.. so I ain’t some pensioner whingeing about “the youth of today”… these are kids that our generation have had.. little brats that grew up and had their kids and now everyone’s entitled.
We love you Kev... but please try and stop saying um and are so much ❤
Is normal service being resumed?
Not yet sadly
I don't mind if she years up copies of books, or burns them, provided she buys them first. I somehow doubt that was her intention.
You still seem to hold on to the transwoman label.
If only the British Bashing Corporation was as staunch and socialist media rules as Waterstones.
Rowling as in toe ... not wow. Can you still not get this right?
They voted labour for gods sake why
I think it is wrong that anyone should be sacked for their views on gender whether they support the ideology or not.
People should be sacked for destroying other people's property.
This is a local chanel for local people. Wel have no trouble here.
"My wife lied... There is a block in your toilet!"
I think I'll go buy a book from Waterstones.
I can recommend a few novels if that's your wheelhouse?
@@phoebecaulfield4062 eh? My what now? Wheelhouse?
@@emma24ism Yes, you know, your bailiwick.
😂😂😂
Simple bottom line...Keep your personal opinions out of your working life. Man, many people DO NOT agree with your opinions and you CANNOT foist your woke ideas onto other people.
Topic aside... just call it X.
It's Time this Liberal Freak show Came to an End & WE got back To Normality & Common Sense !
I do not agree with this. But I know for sure she loves JK Rowling being cancelled!
I couldn't follow this story at all. Which side was this influencer, er, on? I gave up after 4 minutes. Fan of Kevin btw.
Tilly, a Waterstones employee, is fully on board with the woke side and thinks cancelling people whom she deems as terfs for daring to think there is such a thing as a real woman is perfectly fine. The author is one such person and is part of a publishing network that seeks to protect women in that space from being cancelled for their views. Tilly found out, threw a hissy fit and said she would destroy the authors books and throw them in the bin. This breached Waterstones social media policy and she was fired. She then made a video bemoaning her lot and seeking validation for her actions, hoping to get the woke mob on board and force her employer to walk back their stance and start harassing the author to get her cancelled etc, because she hasn't learned her lesson. The mob did exactly what was expected, contacted the employer and the media and turned it into a bigger situation and now here we are.
@@ETM2024 Well written too. Thank you for that.
@@pomerau
You're welcome 👍
Um.. what is Waterstones?
Overpriced book seller
'first they came for the communists, but i did not speak out.....'
They can become trans, but not trans women.
Transwomen are men
Middle class woman with nothing going on in her life professional Karen and we give these people position's of power
She knows it's Waterstones policy not to post these posts. So you did it and lost your job. Your own doing Silly Tilly.
I'm as gender critical/sex realist as they come, but I still don't think this woman should have been sacked. One of the reasons I despise gender ideology is because of its intolerance; trans activists hate freedom of speech; but we have to defend it, especially for speech we disagree with. And there's a lot of hypocrisy from the trans activist mob in this case, demanding Waterstones reinstate her, because they regularly target gender critical people for 'cancellation', many of whom have lost their livelihoods, etc.
agreed but it will give her a much needed lesson, burnt by her own ideology
@@simonclare-fu7sx Oh yes, I'm not saying I don't feel the schadenfreude!
I disagree. She said..."Oh I'll enjoy tearing up your books and putting them in the bin".
If you work for a book store it's a reasonable assumption from the employer (if they stock the author) that they mean their merchandise.
You dont want your employees saying you will destroy their products on social media...
Her employer will have staff conduct rules. Her job is to sell book for them, even books she does not like. Delia Morris
You're welcome to your opinion but I disagree. She discovered the consequences to her actions.
Mein Kampf - love of books? Bad example.
Does an employer with no respect for obvious truth deserve you? No.
I found an echo chamber
Its time we had a law guaranteeing free speech. I disagree with virtue signalling Tilly about her idiotic views, but this creeping tide of censorship (you listening UA-cam?) has got to be stopped.
Anyone else think Tilly looks rather manly?
EVERYONE. BOYCOTT WATERSTONES BUY ONLINE FROM OTHER BOOKSELLERS ,,,YOU KNOW WHO I MEAN !!
Tilly was right to bring theses Terfs to account!😮
So fucking great ❤ boohoo, babe! Boohoo 🥲🥲🥲
I do not like "Mein Kampf"
cuz its in book form. The book matters. If I keep such a book on my shelf for hhistoric research purposes, its not front and center.... with gold gilt edge.. its in the "special collections" corner where the spiders live.....
all books are basically flammable and thus good for starting fires..
as for us clutching pearls about it?
eh....
book burners waste far more time burning their fingers and someone's feelings than freezing crappy messages via bound msterial.
This Book is Queer is an example if perfectly good flammable eohemera ..
hell.. just typing in the name of the book could be a suspendable offense.. cuz the title includes They Who Shall not be Named!
Lois, you are really fit.
ITS EASY BOYCOTT WHATERSTONES
Why boycott them? Silly Tilly broke their rules.🤷♀️
No way they believe all books have rights. It would make me buy from them. Delia Morris