Downgrade at Southern Seminary: Critical Theory & Al Mohler (Part III)
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- In the third and final installment of the "Downgrade at Southern Seminary" series, Russell Fuller talks about Jarvis Williams and Matthew Hall's critical theory laced teachings and the effect they have had on some students. He also recounts the story of Dr. Albert Mohler's aggressive support, in a faculty meeting, for Matthew Hall's promotion to the position of provost, despite opposition over critical theory. Fuller also reveals the stipulations of the "separation agreement" and challenges any members of the faculty at Southern Seminary to debate him on the merits of his concerns.
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I am a SBTS graduate, and I was wondering why so many of my former classmates have gone "woke"... Now I know why...
Found this video through the footnote in Voddie Baucham's book. Grace and peace to you all; may God help us through this looming schism in evangelicalism.
Can I ask what book, please?
Southern and the SBC need to take these charges seriously. Preaching 'another gospel' at Southern? Time for the SBC to wake up.
They are awake. It’s about cash and power.
Dr Fuller is an example of courage. Thank you for not signing the stupid cowardly document.
Russell Fuller was one of my favorites when I was at SBTS. I wish TMS would hire him now that he is available.
Tms.edu
TMS?
Oh, how we need to pray.
My heart truly hurts that CRT has slipped into my church. I love my brothers and sister there but I have to look for another church
I've received two diplomas from Mohler (MDiv & PhD) and I thought he was a man of integrity but it seems his true colors are being shown. One insight into his character was seen with his flash of anger at the Shepherd's Conference Q&A in refusing to answer Phil Johnson's question. I found his response to be very childish. But also now we hear of a tirade in a faculty meeting toward Dr. Fuller. I've taken 3 semesters of Hebrew with Dr. Fuller and one thing I have always known about him was that he was a truth teller. For Dr. Mohler to lose his cool with him and berate him is completely unacceptable. This kind of anger disqualifies a man from ministry.
I am thankful to see that Mohler is no longer a teaching fellow with Ligonier.
Isn't Ligonier just as liberal as he is turning out to be though? I know Russell Moore has now been exposed as a total wolf in sheep's clothing as well. Herschel Hobbs would turn over in his grave if he could see how liberal this once great institution has become. Even First Baptist OKC where Hobbs pastored for years actually has a WOMAN as "pastor" now. It's unreal! There were once true heroes at SBTS and in the SBC as well that stood for straight up conservative values but that seems to no longer be the case. A.T. Robertson, E.Y. Mullins, John Broadus, and Herschel Hobbs are needed now more than ever. Even Adrian Rogers would be fuming right now.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 Ligonier is not liberal. R.C. had a huge bust up with Ligon Duncan and Mohler before he went to glory over their compromising with social justice groups.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 Ligonier is not liberal at all.
@@retrograd332 I thought they refused to sign a Conservative statement recently? I'm genuinely happy if they're not liberals but I was thinking they refused to sign that.
So you have 2 degrees from SBTS? That means you spent years there. And since you had spent years there did you question Mohlers character while in school? If not, then how do you listen to one side and then change stance so quickly? How can you hear from one prof who got fired and not the things you know already. As a graduate as well I and I hope you can say that this junk is not being used in the classroom like it's being portrayed. Perhaps it's there, but not at the ammout, volume or intensive nature that they are acting like
I'm not a Baptist, but I appreciate you posting this interview. It helps to explain some of what I'm seeing and reading about these days. Dr. Fuller's explanation (at 13:00) of how the extra-biblical teachings of "critical race theory" and "racial reconciliation" and "intersectionality" corrupt the truth of the gospel will be helpful to us as we examine these ideas in our homeschool worldviews classes. We knew there was something "not quite right" going on with these ideas, but this explanation sums up where these theories go off the rails. Thank you.
You are a hero. Thank you for loving truth and staying faithful to our Lord Jesus Christ, no matter the cost.
What’s incredible, the point of tenure is to give professors the freedom to articulate theories and disagreements that the rest of the body of the university are advocating for. It’s important to be able to have freedom of debates and arguments to advance knowledge. These professors have been silenced in the interest of political correctness and identity politics, things that are antithetical to the scripture!! Incredible!!
If Al Mohler knew then he should be held to account. If he didn't know, then he shouldn't be a leader of a seminary.
Of course he knew!!! He is the President of the Seminary.
Both possibilities should follow dismissal!
Complicity or incompetence. Either way, he has to go.
Big Al helped with the purge of Orthodox believing staff. He's playing to his audience
Thank you DR Fuller!
Once awhile Dr. Fuller is sighing...it shows how hard it is really for him to reveal all this...!
This is so terribly sad in so very many ways. What has happened to Al Mohler? How could he allow this, enable this, embrace this? It is truly heart wrenching. This renders the SBC confessions of faith utterly ineffectual and corrupt.
Confessions are only as good as the men who subscribe to them. If deceitful men use them as shields to advance into God’s kingdom to harm it, bad things will happen.
We have to be wise.
@@nilwon Too true, sir. Too true.
You should really listen to the interviews Southern has put out in response. A lot of this is clearly a matter of uncharitable listening and rushing to conclusions.
Logan Hurley no, it isn’t. There are now years of documented evidence related to Southern’s stance on critical race theory, intersectionality, and the social justice heresy.
This is simply the latest in a long line of compounding evidence.
This is so sad. I remember studying about the conservative resurgence in my Baptist History class. To see how short-lived the reformation was is saddening and frightening.
Im heartbroken over this.💔
Color blindness is racism in the same way Good is evil. Stop sending the SBC money. Send your money to ministries that oppose this downgrade. There's Churches leaving the SBC, perhaps yours should.
I greatly respect men like Jeff Noblit and I'm not even a Baptist.
Change the leadership, too!
I appreciate this interview and Dr
Fuller's bravery. I think even if you were skeptical about Dr. Fuller's interpretation, the seminary at least owes him a hearing and to speak publicly with him. He's acting in a way consistent with someone who is actually concerned about students and who loves the Lord.
I’m an everyday listener to The Briefing. I absolutely love it and am so thankful for Dr. Mohler’s ministry. But if this is even 10% true, I’m extremely disappointed in Dr. Mohler. Is this true at all? Dr. Mohler? And if it isn’t, why did you apologize? And why did it take 2 stinking month behind closed doors, and then fire him!? I hope I can still listen to the Briefing now.
The Briefings could be more bible oriented and Christcentered!
Check the panel discussion at the Shepherds Conference 2019, that looked more like 100%!
I’m stunned by Mohler’s response to Fuller. Also Matthew Hall needs to go. Southern Baptists should rise up to see this convention changed.
Watching Mohler give shelter to Russ Moore for years at SBTS should tell you all you need to know about where he stands.
@@brunanskyr Yep. Moore is a straight up virtue signalling liberal.
I think the most troubling is Al Mohler tends to say, “ Christians need to think fast” on whatever Babylonian idea becomes policy. Yet, has Al Mohler ever stuck out his proverbial neck for the cause of the gospel? Has he , like John MacArthur, followed God, and not man?
Critics who do not offer a God honoring path to combat the forces of darkness, are merely critics. Leaders care and love those around them,
enough, they are willing to go to court ( of either the law or public opinion), to strive for an idea, a standard the puts God on the throne and not a half baked idea, that Karl Marx helped cast half the world into darkness. The lack of a wisdom that embraces the rudiments of communism is like lighting the dark path of a coal mine with a flame thrower.
Good job!
Each generation sides towards liberalism. Churches and Seminaries are not exempt. By the third generation both churches and seminaries will not be able to be identified as it once was.
Another excellent video. I loved his explanation of distinctions in the Old Testament and then in the New. I have the utmost respect for what you are both doing. Praying for protection in this battle. Keep going, I believe this has eternal value.
Very enlightening.
Keep it up ....Expose the Lies !!! Speak the Truth unapologetically !!!!
Please see the links in the description about where you can go to donate to these godly fired professors. Even if you give just a little, it will help. May God bless them and you.
List of good books on Total Inerrancy:
1. Vital Issues in the Inerrancy Debate (Ed.) David Farnell
2. Defending Inerrancy by Norman Geisler and William Roach
3. Inerrancy by Norman Geisler
I’d love to get Fuller’s take on the latest interviews from Southern Seminary.
Edit - They seemed very well produced, but when you step back and consider it - it was quite a strange dialogue to have without context and with this background, one can’t help but feel that they were scripted as they tried to address each of the specific objections raised by Fuller without mentioning him. So it seems that they respect Fuller enough to consider the need to produce the videos and hopefully quell any concerns from third parties.
Without knowing more details, it is difficult to know what’s going on - eg is it ignorance, misunderstanding or malice??
Controlling the damage through a whistleblower who says it like it is!
That's why you have these videos!
Imagine, some church goers would find out more and don't donate anymore...
Okay, Dr. Mohler. 🙄
When Al "the mole" Mohler shared a stage to applsud and talk about how much we could learn by reading a book promoting the heresies of an appstate Anglican priest concerning homosexuality you knew something was very very wrong.
The only thing that surprised me is that there's such a thing as a "non-disparagement" clause. That sounds sub Christian.
SBTS....turn the comments on for your reply video. Set up the debate.....
Very thankful for these videos. But if you will permit a minor correction, It's "APP-a-LATCH-a" not "APP-a-LAY-chia" (6:58)
I used to tell Jon this all the time, lol. Hasn't made a dent yet. 😂
Just subscribed buddy. Keep up the good work...
Where are the trustees in all of this?
Sadly, many are on board... I believe the trustee board had a lot of turnover that allowed it to be tilted to these agendas...
We all know who really runs SBTS, and it’s not the trustees. Call them a board of directors, but that’s the least of their job duties. Mohler runs that train.
The trustees have to answer to their wives. They run the SBC.
I had Pennington for an elective at RTS. He has some good insights but defended the RCC and when pushed claimed that because we all grew up Protestant it was his:duty as a professor to defend Romanism 🙄 he also said the Catholics child sexual abuse was no worse than what evangelicals have done
Thank you for making these videos.
All heresies can be traced to an individual’s “foolish” aggrandizement of self. God will not ignore such sinning at a “seminary of God”. Depressing, of course. With love
The Master’s Seminary will soon be the only one left.
Not true! Take heart! IRBS is open now I think and New St. Andrew’s in Moscow is running well. There are pockets of biblical fidelity to varying degrees. Just watching the whitewashed tombs get opened up for the deadness within to be seen.
Jon- do you know of any good churches in Orlando? How do we find a church that is solid?
I wish he would name names on who is looking the other way, those who agree with him but who are not speaking up.
It seems to me as a layman, that all of this is designed to separate, divide and distract from what Jesus told us was most important. To love God with all our heart, soul and mind and to love our neighbor as ourselves. If we obey those commandments, everything else will be resolved. Satan is having a really good time in our churches and theology institutes.
Spiritual wickedness in high places.
So does that mean conservative, Bible-adhering believers should just shut up and say nothing while the Marxists infiltrate our churches and schools, and accuse those who don't toe the CRT line of being racists?
But the Bible also says : “(for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord. Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.”
Ephesians 5:9-11 If there’s something unbiblical inside a so called evangelical institution, nothing is more Christian than exposing it so cleansing will begin.
Agreed Nancy. So you’re saying hall Et al should properly divide the word of truth and stop trying to be social scientists? Glad we’re on the same page.
We certainly need to obey Christ's commandments, but we must stand up to those who destroying our seminaries and churches. This lie infects and twists truth. As he stated in the video, "It is another gospel."
The fact of the matter is, the pendulum of liberalism/ conservatism is always swinging. It is impossible to have an entire faculty on the same page at all times. SBTS is still one of the most theologically conservative schools in the world. It is often difficult for Christians to see the biblical definition of truly loving your neighbor vs. the twisted ideology of intersectionality and critical race theory. Also, for an institution to keep growing, you have to find a way to keep students in the seats, this inevitably means hiring some staff that is more liberal minded. The idea behind growth at the seminary has always been progressive, because Dr. Mohler and the trustees want continual "growth". More students, more professors, more influencers, more money. Sometimes I wonder if smaller is better when it comes to biblical education. I don't intend for this post to seem negative. It's just a reflection of what I have seen during my time at Boyce/ SBTS.
I think I'll order Dr. Fuller's book on Hebrew soon. What's the best way to support him in doing that?
I see Mohler and co. doing damage control on youtube.
They can try but now we can all see what they really believe and the place it holds in their lives.
Well at this point SBTS damage control videos they appear to be doing the hoke poke for Mohler. If you add up all thier views on thier 3 videos it amounts just under the amount of views on just Conversation that matters part one video. .
@18:25 Want to see someone take apart what he's saying (and not by saying there is a whole curriculum of books that must be read, it's too complicated, etc.) by using the Bible.
Brave man. We need more Christians like this. God is faithful and will vindicate him.
Thanks so much for these videos and for your stand Dr Fuller. CRT stands in direct opposition to the gospel of Jesus Christ which breaks down every wall of division between ethnicities. I would propose that Col. 3:10-11; Gal 2:11-14; 3:27-28; Eph. 2:11-19, etc., indicate we are all one “ethnos” in Christ. I preach a gospel that unifies us across all racial lines, a gospel where Christ has “broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility” (Eph 2:14).
Galatians 3:27-28
(27) For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. (28) There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
Galatians 2:11-14
(11) When Cephas came to Antioch, however, I opposed him to his face, because he stood to be condemned. (12) For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself, for fear of those in the circumcision group. (13) The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray. (14) When I saw that they were not walking in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “If you, who are a Jew, live like a Gentile and not like a Jew, how can you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews?”
Ephesians 2:11-19
(11) Therefore remember that formerly you who are Gentiles in the flesh and called uncircumcised by the so-called circumcision (that done in the body by human hands)- (12) remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world. (13) But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through the blood of Christ. (14) For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility (15) by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace (16) and reconciling both of them to God in one body through the cross, by which He extinguished their hostility. (17) He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. (18) For through Him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. (19) Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of God’s household,
The whole book of Galatians is about this very issue! adherence to the law makes one a Judaizer who preaches a different gospel (Gal. 2:16, 19, 21; 3:2-3, 10-11;13;27; 5:1;6;9;18). Any ideology that would pit ethnicities against one another or make for instance Jews adhere to the law again…is a different gospel. CRT and Wokeness added to the gospel make it a pseudo-gospel! trust in Christ alone! That is the consistent teaching of the NT; Christ alone NOT adherence to the law. And pitting races against each other is anti-gospel. The gospel has torn down the “dividing wall of hostility.” These ideologies erect walls of hostility between races and ethnicities. The gospel tears them down! Blessings in Christ!
i think mohler should have apologized to fuller publicly since he sinned against him publicly. its a shame about mohler though. i know he's human and a sinner in need of grace like the rest of us but i'm really sad, that for a person of his intelligence and past convictions, he could be so easily swayed by such a thing as CRT. Sadly, I think the explanation goes no deeper than white guilt.
Exactly right, I keep wondering where the Al Mohler is that took the reigns of Southern in 1993 and cleaned house????? I stopped supporting Ligonier Ministries two years ago, where he is a teaching fellow. After failing to convince the board of the need to terminate him because of his departure from the faith once for all delivered to the Saints by embracing this Social Gospel, which is no gospel at all, I could no longer support the ministry. Mohler has been talking out of both sides of his mouth for a number of years. He embraces the unbiblical Manhattan declaration as well. God have mercy on his soul.
When are you going to have a video talking with the other profs who were fired for being "conservative"?
They got the severance package!
And care for another "job" somewhere else...
The other profs signed NDAs.
Wow.... much more respect to Dr. Fuller
Inspiration to young Christian. More prayers!
This is about "control" guys & gals; the web is very humungas. The church is being attacked on purpose. Prayers for both Jon & Dr. Fuller. Wow! 😢
I would like to know if Dr. Fuller believes that systemic racism does or does not exist, as we as, his clear explanation on his chosen view concerning the existence or nonexistence of "systemic racism".. Please do another video interview concerning this particular subject and allow Mr. Fuller the opportunity to present evidence that proves his choice in the existence or nonexistence of systemic racism..
As an Independent Baptist. I'm glad to see that some people are standing up to so called SJWS that think they are Christians.
Wow ! All three interviews are very telling and disturbing. What a disappointment in what is happening at Southern. The Lord Jesus is so grieved of what is happening to his church. Remember the Lord Jesus said He will build His Church not Southern
Your efforts here are appreciated. This is a well made video. Those who have an ear to hear will listen.
Those who don’t... shame.
All I can say is that the doctrine and the behavior of the individuals involved in all this should not surprise us. If any of the gentle readers are experienced with church matters, it's little wonder that the world has little taste to be among us. One man said that it's as if they have more discernment than we do .
It's nothing new that this conniving and jockeying for power while utterly eliminating any voice of descent goes on in the name of Christ. I once heard a Jewish man talking about the commandment to not take the Lord's name in vain as not necessarily what I grew up to believe as using the Lord's name as an oath. Rather, it is using one's position or the name of God to accomplish selfish goals.
One thing Dr Fuller and others discovered was that it is entirely possible for an organization that you've invested your life into can pick up and move on and be hijacked. I would say that in a few years you won't be able to recognize it.
Last point, when you have a man stand up like Dr Fuller, there's seldom much reward to be had for it. That's why so few people do it. I would imagine Dr Fuller had plenty of folks behind the scenes who were ready to throw down, but when he spoke up they were all staring at the ceiling. Everyone wants someone to take on the schoolyard bully, but they hang around in the shadows to see how it's going to go and which side they should take.
Shame on all of us for what's been done to Christ's bride. Kudos to Dr Fuller for being a man of principal and conviction.
Also the burden of proof is on the person making an accusation. So don't try to offer alternative explanations until after the accuser has offered evidence in support of his side. Wait. There won't be any. If there is, then of course you can actually start debating.
Ben Joiner That’s why each episode has documents and/or video evidence in the info section.
@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast not what I meant. I mean in general if they want to accuse you, america, or anyone of being a racist, then they have to provide evidence. Don't offer a defense until after they've given support for their side.
@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast also it's great that you took the time to provide that
I hate when politics so determines the church's faith. Both sides are saying how evil the other side is. It is just not Christian.
I just bet that there are financials at the heart of this power struggle
Ugh! I have no hope for this world.
I saw the host (John?) at Masters seminary at a conference. Al Mohler is MacArthur's friend, speaks at every Shepherds Conference. f you are so concerned, what were you doing there? Professor Fuller seems quite serious but I question the integrity of any man who would be on the staff of such a rotten institution as this seminary. I wondered years ago how the fall of the SBC would be noticed and it has happened and no one seems to notice. But Mohler and Moore switched over to roman catholicism when they signed the Manhattan Declaration. No fear of God in Louisville. God have mercy on these evil men.
There was a sadness when McArthur said he would not attack his friend Mohler. I do not think Mohler will ever be welcome back at the Shepherd's conference. I cannot fault McArthur, he was clearly hurt by Mohler publicly and declined to fire back.
JR Rodriguez how was MacArthur publicly hurt by Mohler?
@@KristiLEvans1 I did not make myself clear. It seemed to me that Dr MaCarthur in saying he was not going to attack old friends was displaying in a very restrained and courteous manner that Dr Mohler is siding with critical race theory and the woke. This is presumptuous on my part as I cannot read minds; but I have listened to McArthur from the time of cassette tapes. I believe there was a deep sadness in his voice as he noted how Mohler responded to the forthright questions posed to him by others.
The host was Phil Johnson. Mohler exploded when Phil tried to press him on why he broke ranks with MacArthur and the Shepherd Conference group. Now we know why, Mohler was committed to Critical Race Theory all along.
Dr. fuller sheds so much light on what was a very puzzling reaction from Mohler to Phil’s polite question. I am grateful for Fuller who did not bow his knee for the crumbs they threw at him on his way out.
Southern Seminary is now releasing videos of talks by the folks Dr Fuller is highlighting - these are interesting because they address (indirectly) the major claims by Dr. Fuller - they don’t answer these claims directly by saying Dr. Fuller is wrong and, in fact, lying and improperly slandering them and their teachings, but are weak-kneed claims of what they supposedly believe. Maybe Dr. Fuller is having a great influence on Southern by making them reevaluate their teaching and repenting(?) back to orthodoxy.
Also became a Patreon donor...
wow.
Goodbye, Al Mohler.
Seriously guys, you have got to be more discerning. This is about the seminary shifting POLITICALLY, not theologically. It can all be summed up in his question, when he asks “do you think this has shifted how people vote?”; and about his comment about how the chapel speaker was criticizing Trump the presupposition of which between these two that it is wrong. Let me put it another way. I’m Canadian (and therefore have no opinion on the history of USA nor politics) and they have said nothing that would persuade me not to go sbts but only reasons for a REPUBLICAN to not go to sbts.
Hahah..Russell is the man. DEBATE ME PUBLICLY. .
" COME AT ME BRO"- DR. FULLER .
This seems overly censorious. I am not denying serious concerns about some of the faculty at SBTS, but I listen to Mohler daily and he makes it clear that he is opposed to identity politics and postmodernism. Plus, he said he is voting for Trump.
If Mohler is so conservative, why does he keep hiring left-leaning teachers for the seminary?
It worries me to hear both speakers decry post-modernism and then proceed to use it in their arguments to try to deny the past racism that was absolutely present within the SBC. Events either did or did not happen, statements by SBC leaders and pastors were either made or they weren't. Those aren't gray areas, and trying to re-label those things that did actually happen isn't helpful. Facts shouldn't be up for debate by people who claim to love truth.
Here's the deal, you are going to have to form a new seminary or a new denomination or a variation of this. I have mentioned in other comments on the other parts of this video series, that once Higher Criticism has taken hold, you have reduced the gospel to "Do good things for other people and be kind to animals."
This subject here is a version of that. There is no gospel to teach, therefore, you must substitute a different gospel because you have stripped both law and gospel and the historicity of the Bible away. At minimum, the gospel is secondary. At worst, it is replaced. That is the natural progression that takes place. Error unchallenged, Error tolerated, error elevated to be on par with truth, error put higher than truth and then finally, error erasing the truth. Gone is the clear word and left is the "kernel of truth behind the scriptures." That has already happened, so now the new gospel is Critical Race Theory. A few decades ago it was liberation theology. Then feminism and women in the pulpit. There are all stripes and variations of this involved. This is just the latest. Hold on to you hats, this is just going to get worse. Mark and avoid and form a new sem and denom. They will just infect you. Show me wrong in any case where classic liberalism has taken hold. This new liberalism is the same old thing repackaged for a "woke" generation. Woke and broke. Now give me some money all holy government.
Is there racism in the church? Yes. Are some Christians racist? Yes. Is it a sin? Yes. It too needs to be repented of and forgiven. The Church and Christians are not immune to the Devil's attacks that he uses to think wrongly of our brother. We should live in peace and love with one another, forgive one another. That is a far different thing that CRT.
Identify the chapter and verse where racism is identified as a sin.
I respect Russell Fuller for his stand, but should we be surprised this is happening? Southern seminary for the last 10+ years has developed a reputation for sending out deceptive Calvinist pastoral candidates. Did anyone really think they could treat Christ’s body this way and not corrupt their seminary? (I Corinthians 5:6)
The deceptive five point Calvinist who took over the church I was a member of had his masters from Southern seminary. My previous pastor said he was aware of a handful of churches that were split in a two-year period in the area of his previous pastorate when the church search committees “weren’t careful enough about pastoral candidates from Southern seminary.” I’ve heard many reports of this happening from around the country. This type of behavior is so common there’s a name for it, “Stealth Calvinism.”
“A little leaven leavens the whole lump... Let us therefore celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.” I Corinthians 5:6,8
Maybe Southern has gotten too big for o Al. and is out control
Interesting that the videos Southern Seminary has put out to counter these videos do not include any direct mention of Russell Fuller and do not attack him personally as he guaranteed. I sat under Fuller for Hebrew and and a two-time graduate up Southern. I think Russell and others are blowing this out of proportion. Should we be concerned about some of this teaching? Yes, but it's not liberalism infecting the flagship Seminary of the Southern Baptist Convention. It's the difference of opinion that finds its way in between the Baptist Faith and Message 2000 and the Abstract of Principles of the Seminary.
Coover Bennett Ummm, have you been on Twitter?
@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast I don't go on Twitter. Are these responses from the faculty? Or from people defending Southern Seminary? Are they in line with the same criticisms that are coming from you and others against the Seminary? From what I've seen, I don't think either side is acting very Christlike at times.
@@scottblue9059 Another one bites the dust! You are deceived.
@@OMB10013304 so if I disagree with you, that means I'm deceived? Are you even allowing that you might be deceived and that some of the accusations being made by Russell Fuller could be taken out of context or be the result of an aggrieved Professor who was let go during a financial crisis?
@@ConversationsThatMatterpodcast I was able to check out Twitter and did not see any faculty member of Southern Seminary making any personal attacks against Russell Fuller, contrary to his stated position in this video. What I did find interesting was that your credibility was rightly questioned and shown to be lacking by a series of tweets. Based upon your own writings, I find your credibility on race relations completely shot. As to whether Southern Seminary is going liberal, after taking into account all the videos, writings that I have read, and former professors and colleagues that I have talked to, I think that all of this is propaganda coming from an aggrieved professor and others who are looking to draw attention to themselves.
16:55 Al Moler is a bad guy
Al Mohler is an elitist. I have spoken with him many times when visiting SBTS and every time I left the conversation feeling like there is no opinion but his.
@@CFCMahomet I've not met him personally but I'm not at all surprised to hear this. I feel the same about James White.
@@SimpleManGuitars1973 The huge difference is that James White will make a case for his view, not just speak ex cathedra.
Leave. It's past fixing, move on to greener pastures.
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To my knowledge, the only major denomination that beat back the downgrade was the SBC. Perhaps if the pew sitters refuse to send any money and show up ANGRY and screaming at the conventions they can kick out all these people. One thing is certain, playing gentle and compliant will not get the job done. You need angry implacable people who don't care if they're called racist. Also women to oppose the Beth (house) of Moore.
You don’t have to buy into CRT to have a concern about systemic racism. I think we need to stop talking about being concerned about racism ham-handedly. You can plainly observe systemic ways throughout history African Americans have been given economic leftovers and less opportunity, thus resulting in a perpetuated family and community poverty. Yes, I acknowledge there are exceptions to this statement and it is not the whole picture- but observing this does not make me an advocate of CRT. This discussion needs nuance.
For three generations we have thrown money and opportunities at African-Americans and the gaps have either widened or stayed the same. "Systemic" racism is quite frankly less credible than the miasma theory.
At 13:00, Dr. Fuller states, "To me this is slander on the church. And what he [Jarvis Williams] is doing, in my opinion, is he's creating another gospel. He says, 'Reconciliation is between us and the Lord, but then horizontal between each other.' And therefore, he starts saying things like, 'Different races need to be reconciled.' But the Bible doesn't teach that the Jews need to be reconciled with the Moabites... or with the Babylonians. The New Testament doesn't teach that one group of Gentiles needs to be reconciled with another group of Gentiles. The big division in the Scripture was between Jew and Gentile. And God made that distinction in the Old Testament, through the Law, through the Mosaic Law. But in the New Testament, now that distinction now is broken down. And now the One New Man is that Jew and Gentile are seen as one people. That old distinction of Jew and Gentile doesn't mean anything anymore, and the old distinctions of things like: Jew/Gentile, free/bond, male/female -- those are real distinctions -- but in Christ, the only distinction that matters is that we belong to Christ."
"Jarvis Williams is very much against this idea of color-blindness. He believes that people who think that we ought to be color-blind -- it's a form of 'racism.' He doesn't believe it is possible for us to look past skin color or to look past race when we make decisions. But the Bible clearly tells us to do this. Distinctions like "Jew/Gentile" don't make any difference anymore."
"It's another gospel, it's a different gospel, one that I believe we should anathematize."
I agree that conservative resurgence happened, but the movement never recovered the founding creed of the Particular Baptist (The Second London Confession of Faith). SBC conservatives settled and then patted their backs thinking God will be pleased for this compromise. That was never what the bible said. It is clear that you were to remove false teachers for the sake of the flock in obedience to our Lord Jesus Christ. If that fails, the local visible church is lost, then you are to separate yourselves with remnants and restart. The conservative resurgence was a failure from the start (even the terminology is silly) because it was vague and never was about biblical creeds that baptists were founded upon. It sounds like you two want to start "Conservative Resurgence v2", instead of going back to the beginning of the denominational standards. Repeating the same mistake and expecting different results, isn't that called madness?
Mohler is a two faced lier. A snake in the grass. Fuller is a courageous and principled man of faith. God bless him.
another contradiction, the other day on eric metaxes, AM came out for trump
What does endorsing Trump have to do with what this video is about?
@@tellingtruthexperiencingli9355 that mohler is inconsistent in what he is doing
The question about “changing voting patterns” among SBTS students really gives the game away, doesn’t it? This conversation seems to have very little to do with fidelity to the Bible and very much to do with (a) the ruinous alliance between conservative evangelicals and Republican politics and (b) deep-seated anxiety about the power and privilege of the cracking cultural edifice of white evangelicalism.
Your immediate thoughts show how much contempt you hold for white people.
@@DMWayne-ke7fl What in the ever-loving world could you possibly be talking about?
I pray all of us who name the name of Christ will have the wisdom not to jump to easy quick judgments in these matters. Remember: you are listening to the rantings of a recently fired employee. All of you pastors out there know that decisions made in leadership of a church, or any organization for that matter, are typically more complicated than what the hearsay is around those decisions. Let’s be wise.
I've listened to Dr. Fuller during all three of these videos, and I have to say I just do not believe him. I think he has sour grapes and it was time for him to leave SBTS.
Also, to the statements at 17:16, Kevin Smith did not mention Trump's name one time during that sermonn, on Nov. 8 2016. Usually to be "rail against" a person you usually need to mention them by name.
I know right.. its not like there are links in the info section to sources that back up his claims...wait....there is....
This video shows how racist some guys are. Claiming Christ and denying that racism even exist?!? How can we say we are followers of Christ and deny systemic racism exist? Do we not serve a God of justice. I don't have as much respect for Dr Fuller after watching this. The criticisms of Jarvis Williams, Curtis Woods and Matthew Hall show how ignorant both of these guys are on issues of race.
What laws are against POC? Laws that target whites include, affirmative action, preferential business contract laws, etc....
🥱 This slander has just grown more boring with time.
Indeed it has. And it’s especially egregious in this case. I hadn’t heard of Jarvis Williams before, but I’ve been learning everything I can since this video came out. He’s magnificent. So I guess thanks for turning me onto a wonderful New Testament scholar and theologian?