One thing many fail to take into account is BIT RATE. Many of the remastered 4ks are on BD 100 GB discs. That alone right there enhances the detail and visual fidelity right off the hop before you even get into how the grading was mastered. This is why for the vast majority of the older movies shot on 35mm film the 4k is a no brainer over the blu ray.
Nice to see a movie collector with sense. So many of these youtube physical media are lowkey hoarders or have some compulsion or underlying issues buried behind their obsession.
While I don’t know if I would say it exactly the way you put it, I do agree that a lot of collectors would be better served by being more selective. Thanks for watching !!
Hey, great video. Just wanted to say that if you already own John Carpenters “The Thing” on 4k, then please disregard my comment. If not, I couldn’t recommend a better movie to upgrade to 4k. The clarity of the practical creature effects are as out of this world as the actual alien in the movie is. The absolute attention to detail is completely outstanding! Couldn’t stand the test of time any better than it already has! Keep up the good work!
I'm going to disagree. On THE THING 4K, I see spots here and there where it's like they turned the DNR up too much and it blew away grain. It also does not include the original audio tracks. I ended up getting the 2017 ARROW BLU-RAY which I think is done better. No grain management issues and has the original audio tracks. I like the color timing better too.
In my experience, any movie photographed using 35mm film will see a significant upgrade to 4K disc, unless the authoring is outright faulty (see Planes, Trains, and Automobiles). HDR is always hit and miss for me, but 4K will provide greater resolution for these 35mm transfers.
I agree with you all collectors are different, I ordered The Exorcist in 4K and looking forward to it. I also upgraded Wayne's World and Vacation and liked them both on 4K. But I must say the Classics like Casablanca, 12 Angry Men, Some Like It Hot etc. are excellent 4K upgrades B&W film looks great in 4K. Just upgraded Enter The Dragon today one of my favorites and of course with Bruce Lee also one of my original Blu-Rays so I said why not!
Your thought processing on deciding if or not to upgrade to 4k is very much how mine used to. Now I’m at a stage where I will not buy anything new on Blu-ray, I will hold out for the 4k release even if it means waiting months or years. As for upgrading movies I already own on Blu-ray to 4k it comes down to how much I like the film. If it’s a favourite of mine then absolutely I will upgrade. Even movies that are not spectacular in colour can still look incredibly better on 4k than Blu-ray. Black levels are deeper and lights lighter. Look at black and white films. I don’t think there’s been a single 4k black and white release that anyone can say looked better on Blu-ray. Every now and then a duffer gets released like Pirates of the Caribbean or T2 Judgement Day. Nice channel enjoyed your vid you got a sub 👍🏼
For upgrades from bluray. - Favourites - Films I like that I think could benefit from the colour and/or resolution upgrade. Reviews help. I do also buy new films at 4K as I am currently home viewing vs going to the theatres. So because of this, I like to have as good experience as I can.
I was a former collector and had over 500 blu-rays and 4K's. Over time the weight of collecting consumed me and I ended up selling my collection and now just collect on iTunes. I'm well away of the trade offs, but a lot of the sentiments you mentioned in this video made continuing to collect difficult for me. Excited to see your fall videos coming up!
I relate so hard on upgrading at the right time. Sometimes I find a vhs or dvd at goodwill for a dollar and then next thing I know a few months later I’m looking for it on 4k Amazon LOL. However my favorite movies I own on all formats because I’m weird. Your video is awesome and I love your thinking habits! Subscribed and can’t wait to here more. Not everything is worth upgrading. So many b movies I’m okay with having the dvd or vhs I found for cheap. Blu ray and 4k is for my favorites. You rock dude!!!
All good points. In addtion, 4:3 aspect ratio has a resolution advantage over widescreen, so I have not upgraded all 4:3 movies from DVD to Blu-ray. I have six crates of DVDs in my basement ready to donate. Movies with heavy CGI do not benefit from 4K because up until recently all CGI was done at 720p or 1080p resolution due to computer rendering time constraints. I do not have a 4K player to avoid another buying cycle (VHS, laserdisc, DVD, Blu-ray). I do stream 4K when the remastering justifies it. Please check online reviews before upgrading. Cheers!
I was the same way with VHS. Loved all my tapes but then realized that they just took up way too much space and the cardboard sleeves began making my room smell like a comic book store. So I sold off a lot of my collection. Kept the ones I really loved like horror box sets but got rid of the rest and now buy 4k and blu rays. The sound alone is worth the upgrade to me. Love your view on collecting. Also wonder how many people go into 4k and then get into buying an expensive OLED TV to see all the details and then spending a ton of money on a Dolby Atmos system. It can get super pricey.
Some excellent points man. I agree with pretty much everything you said. I don’t feel the need to upgrade everything. I pass on 4ks all the time because of some of the reasons you listed. Lucky for me I got into collecting late so I don’t have that upgrade problem all to often because I never owned a lot of them.
Perhaps the stupidest thing I've done collecting was buying one of my favourite films The Red Shoes on region A, B & 4K and I don't even have a region free player! I do have a 4K player but both the region A & 4K cost me a small fortune in the UK. Lesson learned! Also what you said about comedies, I still have Vacation, Animal House, Blazing Saddles etc. on standard dvd.
You make so much sense. I agree with your approach and I do the same thing. I did buy one of my top favorites (ALIEN) on 4K because the reviews were over the top raves.I have the regular blu-ray, it looks tremendous. The film looks very slightly better (to me) on the 4k...it was a lesson for me. As you're saying...I don't need to upgrade an already great-looking blu-ray
I've watched 1080P movies on my friend's 60" TV and it still looks great. Also a lot of the films I get aren't even on 4K. Imo the industry should of went from DVD straight to 2K and left it at that. Past 2K you really can't tell a difference, at least on a consumer size display. Plus most new movies are just 2K upscaled anyway.
I would like to expand on your comment "some genres are better on 4k than others". I agree. 100%. I would say action/ big budget special effects films first, BUT I would say Horror would be a close second. The color pallets aren't just about bright colors, it's about a variety of colors, and especially when you get intoo HDR, HDR10+, and DolbyVision. A simple analogy would be having the cheap pack on crayons, where yeah, you have the colors, versus having the BIG mega pack with the spinarooney thingy and color names you can't pronounce. Those colors can mean a lot when it comes to blood, gore, alien skintones, or whatever. ALSO, and possibly more important, is the shadows being cleaned up and the dynamic contrast. Thoseare defining elements of almostevery horror movie and can be a gamechanger, for sure. You may have inspiredmeto make a video ofmy takw on allthis stuff! 👍
Hey thanks so much for watching! Fantastic comment, you make a lot of good points. Especially the analogy about the crayons. Spot on. You should definitely make a video of your own for sure! I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff I forgot to mention
I used to get all the new 4K releases but nowadays I only tend to buy the ones I really want or a special collectors set. There's just too many flooding the market now, and some films should never have been given upgrades.
Same. I'm about done. I have all of my favorites on 4K now except for a few that don't have a 4K available: Road to Perdition, Tombstone and Aliens. Maybe a couple more that I can't think of.
Just found your channel...great video (I look forward to more !). I think you have an excellent approach to how you go about making 4K purchases...one other criteria I would throw into the mix is "how good is the 4K transfer ?". I always try to watch/read reviews of new 4K releases I'm thinking of buying because occasionally the 4K is simply not worth the upgrade.
I was recently going to buy The mist and it was $12 then I heard there was going to be a 4K so I thought maybe I'll wait but then I got to thinking the 4K is going to be $25 to $30 and I see it at Walmart for $7.99 with an alternate slip and I thought the Blu-ray is good enough I don't want to pay $25 for this movie! Also Walmart had a vestron version of the gate hidden there under an alternate slip for 10 bucks! 🤩
I find myself upgrading a lot of my DVDs to Blu Ray, like most people I cultivated a lot of them back in the day, and I'm not sure if I'm doing it for quality purpose or just "Oh DVD is just so old" , what's your take on that?
Good vid. Another factor for me is "how does this disc look on my 4K system?" I've thrown some Blu-rays (and some DVDs) into my 4K player and it upscales them so well I don't see the need to upgrade to 4K on those titles.
I consider this hobby twofold. An experience and a collecting hobby. F.ex I love Robocop, got the arrow blu ray really cheap so I dont think I will be upgrading to 4k. Then again I might blindbuy a 4k film like Green knight, cos even if I won't like the film that much, I paid to experience the film in its highest quality, similar to going to the movie theater. Most 4k is that to me, seeing the film in such good quality that it's sometimes like seeing the film for the first time. I don't buy to own everything, I mainly buy films I wanna ,,experience'' and if I get a good deal. I rarely buy for packaging except arrow Dario argento films limited editions, I collect them. I waited for Tenebrae to go on sale nut that seems to be oop for good.
I definitely struggle with that. Every time I upgrade something then there is some other movie not going into the collection. I tend to look at audio a lot. If there is an Atmos upgrade I will be much more likely to double dip.
I struggle with this dilema constantly. I use similar criteria to yours: is the quality leap significant? And if I'm not sure, I'll rewatch the blu-ray. On a 65-inch QD-OLED and UB9000 player, 1080p upscales look stunning.
We have Panasonic's UB-820 player that's just 1 step BELOW your top of the line UB-9000, and its upscaling is also amazing, to the point that films like 1960's "Spartacus" (which got raves for its UHD 4K Blu-ray), as the UB-820 plays the 2015 fully restored edition of the film in its 1080p Blu-ray version, the 1080p looks SO similar to the 4K disc, as one disc, and then the other, are played on our 77" Sony OLED, it's actually hard to tell them apart, though video memory obviously does come into play, as a significant factor.
I agree with a lot of what you said. I only purchase my favourite films and TV shows, I like a collection that reflects my taste etc. I don’t have the money or space to buy and store everything, and to be honest I don’t see the point. If I’m interested in something which I haven’t seen I’ll find a way to watch it first before buying a physical. As for 4K, I’m in the same boat. For example Second Sight released The Texas Chainsaw 4K Limited Edition, I already own the steelbook. I’m a fan obviously, but the film looks nasty anyway. So I saved myself £60. Candyman was the same for me too, I already have the Arrow Limited Edition Blu, that’s all I need. The Exorcist on the other hand… I do have a standard copy on Blu, but I couldn’t resist that 50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition lol.
If I really liked the movie Ill upgrade to 4k or buy the 4k if I dont already have it. Others I have on BR i like but dont like enough to upgrade unless its cheap enough. The oringinal Star Wars trilogy is of course no brainer but I really dont know if I want to upgrade to 4k for 1999-2005 trilogy. Im up to over 300 movies now and Im considering downsizing but Ive downsized twice over the past year and Im down to the movies I dont want to get rid of.
I'm surprised by your selections for films to not upgrade to 4K. I understand your personal preferences and reasonings on some level. However, I don't agree with you and I feel you are going about it the wrong way. If I was to pass on a 4K when I already have a Blu-ray (which I rarely do), I would consider passing on 4K discs where the master is in 2K and it is only a 2K upscale to 4K on 4K UHD disc. These releases (mostly of newer/modern film productions) gain next to no detail over their Blu-ray counterparts (in terms of resolution). The only real upgrade being a slight uptick in detail from even higher bit-rates and HDR if it is a 2K master. I would argue there is still SOME merit to those releases but those are modest at best upgrades and not as essential. In your case, you listed off some films shot on film and which would be in native 4K resolution on 4K UHD disc. You might not think that The Exorcist is the best looking film for you (in terms of color/cinematography) but that might actually be a good reason TO UPGRADE, because these are the films that will benefit the most from the format (the film stock allows for a much bigger resolution boost).
This is a great video. I can't keep up with all the 4Ks.i will just buy movoes that i rrally love that are absolute rewatches in my collection such as Ferris Buellars Day Off.
New to the channel, subbed One recommendation, can you reduce the volume of your background incidental music, it gets in the way of what you have to say. Thanks
Hey thanks a lot for the feedback. Still working out some of the growing pains of UA-cam. I very much appreciate you subbing despite the music being distracting, means a lot!
That WON'T happen, as electronics industry tech experts have stated that 8K Blu-ray players simply won't be made. The very slight visual improvement native 8K resolution video offers vs what native 4K resolution video can offer if comparing the exact same scenes presented in both resolutions, in studio tests, found that viewers with unusually good vision, sitting just 5 feet from the screen of a $30, 000 LG 88" 8K OLED TV, could barely see a difference! In 2020, at the annual 3 day event called HPA Tech Retreat (HPA stands for Hollywood Professional Alliance) Warner Brothers, Pixar, LG, and The American Society of Cinematographers sponsored carefully done 4K vs 8K video test comparisons to enable Hollywood's studio executives to determine if movie theater audience members would really notice an improvement with 8K vs. 4K, that could justify the huge expenditures of funds required for movie studios to transition into producing & exhibiting new movies in 8K resolution. But before the video test comparisons were even begun, the 139 people who'd participate as the test viewers, all had their visual acuity carefully measured. Then, for the tests, a $30,000 LG 88 inch 8K OLED flat panel TV was used, with much of the video material shown being nature scenes, along with some animated material. Two of the test viewers happened to possess outstandingly sharp, & relatively unusual, 20/10 vision, which means that they can see very fine, details at a 20 foot distance, that folks having 20/20 vision need to be only 10 feet away from, to see. But finally, after all the viewing comparisons were completed, the most important result, which surprised a lot of folks, was that even the people with the unusually good distance vision of 20/10, had to sit just 5 feet away from that 88" 8K TV, so they could detect what they defined as a "marginally slight difference" in clarity & detail between 4K and 8K versions of the same scenes. (I've got a top rated 85" 4K TV & even with my excellent peripheral vision, 5 feet is TOO close! BTW, in demonstrations provided in stores like Best Buy, that have 8K TVs showing brief video clips of 10 minutes, or less, where those 8K TVs seem to look so AMAZING vs. same size 4K TVs, the Ultra-clean, pristine video that the 8K units display that makes them seem superior is NOT due to their higher resolution, but IS due to the fact that the specially produced 8K video clips shown on these TVs were shot at a VERY high data rate of well over 200 mbs, a rate that's higher than even an entire 4K Blu-ray disc could present for much more than a 20 minutes before using up all of the data space of the disc. BUT, if well produced 4K video of the same scene used for an 8K demo clip was shot at the SAME high data rate, no one could tell the difference between the 4K clip shown on a 4K TV and the 8K clip shown on an 8K TV, as long as the 4K TV's contrast ratio and color reproduction allowed for the 4K TV to show HDR processed video as capably as the 8K TV is able to present HDR. And with a top quality 4K QD-OLED, like a Sony A95L, that HDR performance WILL be as good as that which even 8K OLEDs are capable of displaying. Long story short, the 8K vs 4K tests that Warner Brothers did, together with Pixar, LG, & The American Society of Cinematographers, convinced Hollywood studio execs that in today's modern stadium seating movie theaters, even movie fans with exceptional (& pretty rare) 20/10 vision, if seated in a theater's front row, would only be able to detect a very slight difference between native 4K & native 8K versions of the same scenes. Which means that NO commercial movie theater operators will be reckless enough to invest the huge sums of money needed to equip theaters with 8K projectors that haven't even been developed yet, since about 99% of viewers won't be able to see an improvement with 8K movies (only about 1% of Americans have vision as good as 20/10) and even those folks would need to sit in the front row to see any real difference. And as EVERY moviegoer knows, the reason that the front rows of movie theaters have the LAST available seats as theaters are being sold out, is because MOST Americans just HATE sitting in front rows, where viewing is as awkward for most folks as viewing 88 inch TVs from 5 feet away!! So we can forget about movie studios using the huge amount of funds needed to finish movies in 8K since such movies would fail to attract a significantly larger number of customers than 4K productions do! And for that reason, the electronics companies won't invest in the money losing idea of developing & manufacturing 8K Blu-ray players, since lacking 8K movies to play on the units, would kill the chance that the new format could sell well.
No electronics company will develop players for a possible 8K Blu-ray format since viewing tests done by Warner Brothers, Pixar, LG, and the American Society of Cinematographers showed that such a tiny fraction of moviegoers would be able to see ANY difference between native 4K & native 8K resolution versions done of the same scenes, that 8K movies WOULDN'T attract a significantly larger number of people to see movies in theaters than the number of movie goers who already attend movies shown in 4K. So not only do the theater chain owners realize what a big waste of money it would be to devote additional resources to buying very expensive 8K movie projectors, but also, the movie studios now know that the huge additional cost of finishing their movies in 8K just wouldn't be recovered by 8K showings causing any significant boost in movie attendance vs the number of folks who go to 4K showings. So PURPMINDED, the essence of what I'm saying is that movie studio executives see no practical advantage that could justify the huge expense of finishing their movies in 8K, so they WON'T DO IT! And that sure means that 8K Blu-rays AREN'T in our future, as there's NO incentive for electronics companies to want to invest in developing an 8K Blu-ray format, because NO movies finished in 8K will be available for transfer to 8K Blu-ray discs!
Somehow the last minute of this video got cut out in editing, so with that in mind make sure to take care and watch more movies !
One thing many fail to take into account is BIT RATE. Many of the remastered 4ks are on BD 100 GB discs. That alone right there enhances the detail and visual fidelity right off the hop before you even get into how the grading was mastered. This is why for the vast majority of the older movies shot on 35mm film the 4k is a no brainer over the blu ray.
Good point! There’s probably a ton of other technical stuff that could be a factor that I didn’t even cover here.
Nice to see a movie collector with sense. So many of these youtube physical media are lowkey hoarders or have some compulsion or underlying issues buried behind their obsession.
While I don’t know if I would say it exactly the way you put it, I do agree that a lot of collectors would be better served by being more selective. Thanks for watching !!
Hey, great video. Just wanted to say that if you already own John Carpenters “The Thing” on 4k, then please disregard my comment.
If not, I couldn’t recommend a better movie to upgrade to 4k. The clarity of the practical creature effects are as out of this world as the actual alien in the movie is.
The absolute attention to detail is completely
outstanding!
Couldn’t stand the test of time any better than it already has!
Keep up the good work!
That film is a masterpiece and absolutely one that I had to buy when it hit 4k. Thanks for watching man!!
I'm going to disagree. On THE THING 4K, I see spots here and there where it's like they turned the DNR up too much and it blew away grain. It also does not include the original audio tracks. I ended up getting the 2017 ARROW BLU-RAY which I think is done better. No grain management issues and has the original audio tracks. I like the color timing better too.
In my experience, any movie photographed using 35mm film will see a significant upgrade to 4K disc, unless the authoring is outright faulty (see Planes, Trains, and Automobiles). HDR is always hit and miss for me, but 4K will provide greater resolution for these 35mm transfers.
Another factor I missed. Thanks for adding that.
I agree with you all collectors are different, I ordered The Exorcist in 4K and looking forward to it. I also upgraded Wayne's World and Vacation and liked them both on 4K. But I must say the Classics like Casablanca, 12 Angry Men, Some Like It Hot etc. are excellent 4K upgrades B&W film looks great in 4K. Just upgraded Enter The Dragon today one of my favorites and of course with Bruce Lee also one of my original Blu-Rays so I said why not!
Thanks so much for watching!
Your thought processing on deciding if or not to upgrade to 4k is very much how mine used to. Now I’m at a stage where I will not buy anything new on Blu-ray, I will hold out for the 4k release even if it means waiting months or years. As for upgrading movies I already own on Blu-ray to 4k it comes down to how much I like the film. If it’s a favourite of mine then absolutely I will upgrade. Even movies that are not spectacular in colour can still look incredibly better on 4k than Blu-ray. Black levels are deeper and lights lighter. Look at black and white films. I don’t think there’s been a single 4k black and white release that anyone can say looked better on Blu-ray. Every now and then a duffer gets released like Pirates of the Caribbean or T2 Judgement Day. Nice channel enjoyed your vid you got a sub 👍🏼
Thanks so much
Very good thoughts. I can relate to your collecting habits.
Thank you!
For upgrades from bluray.
- Favourites
- Films I like that I think could benefit from the colour and/or resolution upgrade. Reviews help.
I do also buy new films at 4K as I am currently home viewing vs going to the theatres. So because of this, I like to have as good experience as I can.
Good criteria. I do a mixture of theaters and home viewing myself
I was a former collector and had over 500 blu-rays and 4K's. Over time the weight of collecting consumed me and I ended up selling my collection and now just collect on iTunes. I'm well away of the trade offs, but a lot of the sentiments you mentioned in this video made continuing to collect difficult for me. Excited to see your fall videos coming up!
Thank you!! Stay tuned. Some good stuff coming
I relate so hard on upgrading at the right time. Sometimes I find a vhs or dvd at goodwill for a dollar and then next thing I know a few months later I’m looking for it on 4k Amazon LOL. However my favorite movies I own on all formats because I’m weird. Your video is awesome and I love your thinking habits! Subscribed and can’t wait to here more. Not everything is worth upgrading. So many b movies I’m okay with having the dvd or vhs I found for cheap. Blu ray and 4k is for my favorites. You rock dude!!!
Thanks so much for watching !! I really appreciate it!
Great video man. Really good points. Thanks for sharing your perspective and sharing some of your collection.
Thanks so much for watching man. I really appreciate it.
All good points. In addtion, 4:3 aspect ratio has a resolution advantage over widescreen, so I have not upgraded all 4:3 movies from DVD to Blu-ray. I have six crates of DVDs in my basement ready to donate. Movies with heavy CGI do not benefit from 4K because up until recently all CGI was done at 720p or 1080p resolution due to computer rendering time constraints. I do not have a 4K player to avoid another buying cycle (VHS, laserdisc, DVD, Blu-ray). I do stream 4K when the remastering justifies it. Please check online reviews before upgrading. Cheers!
I was the same way with VHS. Loved all my tapes but then realized that they just took up way too much space and the cardboard sleeves began making my room smell like a comic book store. So I sold off a lot of my collection. Kept the ones I really loved like horror box sets but got rid of the rest and now buy 4k and blu rays. The sound alone is worth the upgrade to me. Love your view on collecting. Also wonder how many people go into 4k and then get into buying an expensive OLED TV to see all the details and then spending a ton of money on a Dolby Atmos system. It can get super pricey.
Yeah it’s a slippery slope going into 4k from blu ray. You essentially need a home theater set up to get the most out of it
Some excellent points man. I agree with pretty much everything you said. I don’t feel the need to upgrade everything. I pass on 4ks all the time because of some of the reasons you listed.
Lucky for me I got into collecting late so I don’t have that upgrade problem all to often because I never owned a lot of them.
Yeah it’s ultimately just a person to person basis. So many factors at play when buying stuff.
Perhaps the stupidest thing I've done collecting was buying one of my favourite films The Red Shoes on region A, B & 4K and I don't even have a region free player! I do have a 4K player but both the region A & 4K cost me a small fortune in the UK. Lesson learned! Also what you said about comedies, I still have Vacation, Animal House, Blazing Saddles etc. on standard dvd.
Thanks for watching !!
Waiting for 4k hollow man.
Good video.
I'd argue that for most comedies, DVD is probably more than sufficient and not worth double (or triple) dipping.
I wouldn’t disagree I think
You make so much sense. I agree with your approach and I do the same thing. I did buy one of my top favorites (ALIEN) on 4K because the reviews were over the top raves.I have the regular blu-ray, it looks tremendous. The film looks very slightly better (to me) on the 4k...it was a lesson for me. As you're saying...I don't need to upgrade an already great-looking blu-ray
Thanks for sharing! Well said and thanks for watching man. Truly appreciate it
@@Talesfromtheshelf Thanks. By the way I like THE LIGHTHOUSE a lot too and the blu-ray is just fine for me 😎
I've watched 1080P movies on my friend's 60" TV and it still looks great. Also a lot of the films I get aren't even on 4K. Imo the industry should of went from DVD straight to 2K and left it at that. Past 2K you really can't tell a difference, at least on a consumer size display. Plus most new movies are just 2K upscaled anyway.
I would like to expand on your comment "some genres are better on 4k than others". I agree. 100%. I would say action/ big budget special effects films first, BUT I would say Horror would be a close second. The color pallets aren't just about bright colors, it's about a variety of colors, and especially when you get intoo HDR, HDR10+, and DolbyVision. A simple analogy would be having the cheap pack on crayons, where yeah, you have the colors, versus having the BIG mega pack with the spinarooney thingy and color names you can't pronounce. Those colors can mean a lot when it comes to blood, gore, alien skintones, or whatever. ALSO, and possibly more important, is the shadows being cleaned up and the dynamic contrast. Thoseare defining elements of almostevery horror movie and can be a gamechanger, for sure.
You may have inspiredmeto make a video ofmy takw on allthis stuff! 👍
Hey thanks so much for watching! Fantastic comment, you make a lot of good points. Especially the analogy about the crayons. Spot on. You should definitely make a video of your own for sure! I’m sure there’s a ton of stuff I forgot to mention
Great video Mark! Good tips and solid analysis in there.👍🤘🙂
Thanks! 👍
I used to get all the new 4K releases but nowadays I only tend to buy the ones I really want or a special collectors set. There's just too many flooding the market now, and some films should never have been given upgrades.
Same. I'm about done. I have all of my favorites on 4K now except for a few that don't have a 4K available: Road to Perdition, Tombstone and Aliens. Maybe a couple more that I can't think of.
Just found your channel...great video (I look forward to more !). I think you have an excellent approach to how you go about making 4K purchases...one other criteria I would throw into the mix is "how good is the 4K transfer ?". I always try to watch/read reviews of new 4K releases I'm thinking of buying because occasionally the 4K is simply not worth the upgrade.
I have the Amityville Horror on steelbook blu-ray, plays really well.
Love the video, would love to see more content on this subject, I admire your self control😅
Thank you! Will do!
I was recently going to buy The mist and it was $12 then I heard there was going to be a 4K so I thought maybe I'll wait but then I got to thinking the 4K is going to be $25 to $30 and I see it at Walmart for $7.99 with an alternate slip and I thought the Blu-ray is good enough I don't want to pay $25 for this movie! Also Walmart had a vestron version of the gate hidden there under an alternate slip for 10 bucks! 🤩
Hell yeah. Thanks for watching
I find myself upgrading a lot of my DVDs to Blu Ray, like most people I cultivated a lot of them back in the day, and I'm not sure if I'm doing it for quality purpose or just "Oh DVD is just so old" , what's your take on that?
Good vid. Another factor for me is "how does this disc look on my 4K system?" I've thrown some Blu-rays (and some DVDs) into my 4K player and it upscales them so well I don't see the need to upgrade to 4K on those titles.
Another good point. Thanks for watching !
I consider this hobby twofold. An experience and a collecting hobby. F.ex I love Robocop, got the arrow blu ray really cheap so I dont think I will be upgrading to 4k. Then again I might blindbuy a 4k film like Green knight, cos even if I won't like the film that much, I paid to experience the film in its highest quality, similar to going to the movie theater. Most 4k is that to me, seeing the film in such good quality that it's sometimes like seeing the film for the first time. I don't buy to own everything, I mainly buy films I wanna ,,experience'' and if I get a good deal. I rarely buy for packaging except arrow Dario argento films limited editions, I collect them. I waited for Tenebrae to go on sale nut that seems to be oop for good.
It can definitely be an experience! I like that mindset
I definitely struggle with that. Every time I upgrade something then there is some other movie not going into the collection. I tend to look at audio a lot. If there is an Atmos upgrade I will be much more likely to double dip.
Yet another factor I neglected to mention is audio. Thanks for adding that.
I struggle with this dilema constantly. I use similar criteria to yours: is the quality leap significant? And if I'm not sure, I'll rewatch the blu-ray. On a 65-inch QD-OLED and UB9000 player, 1080p upscales look stunning.
Upscaling can definitely be a factor
We have Panasonic's UB-820 player that's just 1 step BELOW your top of the line UB-9000, and its upscaling is also amazing, to the point that films like 1960's "Spartacus" (which got raves for its UHD 4K Blu-ray), as the UB-820 plays the 2015 fully restored edition of the film in its 1080p Blu-ray version, the 1080p looks SO similar to the 4K disc, as one disc, and then the other, are played on our 77" Sony OLED, it's actually hard to tell them apart, though video memory obviously does come into play, as a significant factor.
I missed out buying Blu-ray as i had a great DVD collection so buying 4K movies are all a gigantic upgrade for me apart from Rambo II...
Thanks for watching!
I agree with a lot of what you said. I only purchase my favourite films and TV shows, I like a collection that reflects my taste etc. I don’t have the money or space to buy and store everything, and to be honest I don’t see the point. If I’m interested in something which I haven’t seen I’ll find a way to watch it first before buying a physical. As for 4K, I’m in the same boat. For example Second Sight released The Texas Chainsaw 4K Limited Edition, I already own the steelbook. I’m a fan obviously, but the film looks nasty anyway. So I saved myself £60. Candyman was the same for me too, I already have the Arrow Limited Edition Blu, that’s all I need. The Exorcist on the other hand… I do have a standard copy on Blu, but I couldn’t resist that 50th Anniversary Deluxe Edition lol.
Sounds like you and I are on the same page. I want my collection to reflect me and my taste, not just be a museum of physical media
@@Talesfromtheshelf Exactly.
Some times 4k adds dolby atmos and dts-x over the blu ray when it comes out
If I really liked the movie Ill upgrade to 4k or buy the 4k if I dont already have it. Others I have on BR i like but dont like enough to upgrade unless its cheap enough. The oringinal Star Wars trilogy is of course no brainer but I really dont know if I want to upgrade to 4k for 1999-2005 trilogy. Im up to over 300 movies now and Im considering downsizing but Ive downsized twice over the past year and Im down to the movies I dont want to get rid of.
Downsizing and curation is important! It’s something I do a lot myself
I don't buy Blu rays with a 4k release unless it's super expensive
That’s valid
I'm surprised by your selections for films to not upgrade to 4K. I understand your personal preferences and reasonings on some level. However, I don't agree with you and I feel you are going about it the wrong way. If I was to pass on a 4K when I already have a Blu-ray (which I rarely do), I would consider passing on 4K discs where the master is in 2K and it is only a 2K upscale to 4K on 4K UHD disc. These releases (mostly of newer/modern film productions) gain next to no detail over their Blu-ray counterparts (in terms of resolution).
The only real upgrade being a slight uptick in detail from even higher bit-rates and HDR if it is a 2K master. I would argue there is still SOME merit to those releases but those are modest at best upgrades and not as essential. In your case, you listed off some films shot on film and which would be in native 4K resolution on 4K UHD disc. You might not think that The Exorcist is the best looking film for you (in terms of color/cinematography) but that might actually be a good reason TO UPGRADE, because these are the films that will benefit the most from the format (the film stock allows for a much bigger resolution boost).
Thank you for that insight! I appreciate you watching
Thanks for sharing! Really like the topic. Something I think about a lot when buying 4K discs. (not a fan of the background music though)
Thank you for the feedback! Is it the music itself or is the music too loud?
Its the music itself. I don’t think you need music at all. Thank for a great channel!👍
This is a great video. I can't keep up with all the 4Ks.i will just buy movoes that i rrally love that are absolute rewatches in my collection such as Ferris Buellars Day Off.
Good choice!
Sweet video 💪🏻
Thank you!
thanks for the video..but i didnt hear unless i missed it the other reason to sometimes up grade a blu ray..the audio gets upgraded ;-)
So many technical reason as well that I didn’t even get into! Thanks for watching
What display do you use to watch your movies on?
We have a 70’ oled
@@Talesfromtheshelf what brand? I don’t know of any 70 inch OLED’s. 65 or 77 inches are all I’ve heard of in that size range.
@@Prettytony0627 ah apologies, it’s a 77 LG CX
New to the channel, subbed
One recommendation, can you reduce the volume of your background incidental music, it gets in the way of what you have to say. Thanks
Hey thanks a lot for the feedback. Still working out some of the growing pains of UA-cam. I very much appreciate you subbing despite the music being distracting, means a lot!
@@Talesfromtheshelf your videos are great, one of the better physical media channels, keep it up.
@@AchtungEnglander I shall! Thanks again man comments like these keep me going
Wait until they start doing 8K blu-rays 😂
I don’t think this will ever happen lol
That WON'T happen, as electronics industry tech experts have stated that 8K Blu-ray players simply won't be made. The very slight visual improvement native 8K resolution video offers vs what native 4K resolution video can offer if comparing the exact same scenes presented in both resolutions, in studio tests, found that viewers with unusually good vision, sitting just 5 feet from the screen of a $30, 000 LG 88" 8K OLED TV, could barely see a difference!
In 2020, at the annual 3 day event called HPA Tech Retreat (HPA stands for Hollywood Professional Alliance) Warner Brothers, Pixar, LG, and The American Society of Cinematographers sponsored carefully done 4K vs 8K video test comparisons to enable Hollywood's studio executives to determine if movie theater audience members would really notice an improvement with 8K vs. 4K, that could justify the huge expenditures of funds required for movie studios to transition into producing & exhibiting new movies in 8K resolution. But before the video test comparisons were even begun, the 139 people who'd participate as the test viewers, all had their visual acuity carefully measured. Then, for the tests, a $30,000 LG 88 inch 8K OLED flat panel TV was used, with much of the video material shown being nature scenes, along with some animated material. Two of the test viewers happened to possess outstandingly sharp, & relatively unusual, 20/10 vision, which means that they can see very fine, details at a 20 foot distance, that folks having 20/20 vision need to be only 10 feet away from, to see. But finally, after all the viewing comparisons were completed, the most important result, which surprised a lot of folks, was that even the people with the unusually good distance vision of 20/10, had to sit just 5 feet away from that 88" 8K TV, so they could detect what they defined as a "marginally slight difference" in clarity & detail between 4K and 8K versions of the same scenes. (I've got a top rated 85" 4K TV & even with my excellent peripheral vision, 5 feet is TOO close!
BTW, in demonstrations provided in stores like Best Buy, that have 8K TVs showing brief video clips of 10 minutes, or less, where those 8K TVs seem to look so AMAZING vs. same size 4K TVs, the Ultra-clean, pristine video that the 8K units display that makes them seem superior is NOT due to their higher resolution, but IS due to the fact that the specially produced 8K video clips shown on these TVs were shot at a VERY high data rate of well over 200 mbs, a rate that's higher than even an entire 4K Blu-ray disc could present for much more than a 20 minutes before using up all of the data space of the disc. BUT, if well produced 4K video of the same scene used for an 8K demo clip was shot at the SAME high data rate, no one could tell the difference between the 4K clip shown on a 4K TV and the 8K clip shown on an 8K TV, as long as the 4K TV's contrast ratio and color reproduction allowed for the 4K TV to show HDR processed video as capably as the 8K TV is able to present HDR. And with a top quality 4K QD-OLED, like a Sony A95L, that HDR performance WILL be as good as that which even 8K OLEDs are capable of displaying.
Long story short, the 8K vs 4K tests that Warner Brothers did, together with Pixar, LG, & The American Society of Cinematographers, convinced Hollywood studio execs that in today's modern stadium seating movie theaters, even movie fans with exceptional (& pretty rare) 20/10 vision, if seated in a theater's front row, would only be able to detect a very slight difference between native 4K & native 8K versions of the same scenes. Which means that NO commercial movie theater operators will be reckless enough to invest the huge sums of money needed to equip theaters with 8K projectors that haven't even been developed yet, since about 99% of viewers won't be able to see an improvement with 8K movies (only about 1% of Americans have vision as good as 20/10) and even those folks would need to sit in the front row to see any real difference. And as EVERY moviegoer knows, the reason that the front rows of movie theaters have the LAST available seats as theaters are being sold out, is because MOST Americans just HATE sitting in front rows, where viewing is as awkward for most folks as viewing 88 inch TVs from 5 feet away!! So we can forget about movie studios using the huge amount of funds needed to finish movies in 8K since such movies would fail to attract a significantly larger number of customers than 4K productions do! And for that reason, the electronics companies won't invest in the money losing idea of developing & manufacturing 8K Blu-ray players, since lacking 8K movies to play on the units, would kill the chance that the new format could sell well.
No electronics company will develop players for a possible 8K Blu-ray format since viewing tests done by Warner Brothers, Pixar, LG, and the American Society of Cinematographers showed that such a tiny fraction of moviegoers would be able to see ANY difference between native 4K & native 8K resolution versions done of the same scenes, that 8K movies WOULDN'T attract a significantly larger number of people to see movies in theaters than the number of movie goers who already attend movies shown in 4K. So not only do the theater chain owners realize what a big waste of money it would be to devote additional resources to buying very expensive 8K movie projectors, but also, the movie studios now know that the huge additional cost of finishing their movies in 8K just wouldn't be recovered by 8K showings causing any significant boost in movie attendance vs the number of folks who go to 4K showings.
So PURPMINDED, the essence of what I'm saying is that movie studio executives see no practical advantage that could justify the huge expense of finishing their movies in 8K, so they WON'T DO IT! And that sure means that 8K Blu-rays AREN'T in our future, as there's NO incentive for electronics companies to want to invest in developing an 8K Blu-ray format, because NO movies finished in 8K will be available for transfer to 8K Blu-ray discs!
what in the WORLD is with the cheesy background music? I had to stop, man.
Thank you for the feedback, I won’t be using that music again lol
great video!! i am definitely looking to snag creepshow at some point. i have heard great things