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Hey Thoughty2, have you ever done a video or given an explanation as to why your channel is named what it is? I'm just curious because it feels really close to a reference to the Hitman video game.
When you were talking about some recent serial killers, I was thinking "What about H. H. Holmes?" Next you talked about Holmes, and I felt proud to have known about him. Then you set the record straight. I was shocked and deflated.
Being the macabre historian you are, I was wondering when Holmes was going to get your treatment. And you don't disappoint. Thanks for always trying to deliver the truth. Excellent.
Just watch 3-4 other history fact channels, he copies other youtubers when their videos are successful. I watched basically the same video by some other guy about a week ago ... And yes that's no coincidence, that's about the tenth time I've seen him doing it
As part of a book club years ago we read “ The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair That Changed America” - what a wonderful book! This story is told in alternating chapters to some dramatic events surrounding the creation of the World’s Fair in the same time frame just blocks away!
It's common for serial killers to exaggerate their crimes. I think it's because most of them are highly narcissistic and will do what they can to get the recognition they believe that they deserve. Whenever I read about particularly heinous crimes with high victim counts like H H Holmes, Elizabeth Bathory and the like I always bare in mind that newspapers always exaggerate things (some things never change) but that there's usually a train of truth there too. It's unfortunate that we must rely on newspaper reports for so much of the information about history. There are other sources but these are scant compared to the newspaper reports.
I doubt newspapers had much to say, much less exaggerate anything in the case of E. Bathory...how many of newspapers or journalist do you know btw.the ages of 1560 and 1614?😂
@@veskoavramovic6531 Maybe not "Newspapers" in so many syllables... BUT in that same token, because literally EVERYONE involved had their reasons (profit, status/class, politics, public image) to exaggerate or lie outright. For the time, even something as petty as a stolen chicken would result in a document called "Letter of Complaint", and there's almost nothing of those... The witness accounts that can be confirmed are largely based on word of mouth, and even the arresting officials gave enough conflict in their own accounts to be questionable at best... The reality is that even AFTER her legal husband died, she was making money AND expanding her land-ownership, in a place and time where women just were NOT welcome to do that kind of thing independently. Men felt threatened and insecure, and she held debt-marks for several other nobles and their families. Keeping more or less to herself, and mostly earning a living by teaching Courtly Manners and Etiquette to young women for THEIR families, she was an easy target... especially when making business deals to profit a woman couldn't be seen as becoming for a man of the times, she would've been kept quiet about that so rumors were allowed to fly. AND for the estimates of her victims and atrocities... from the shear scale there should be SOMETHING findable now... and there simply has been NOTHING in spite of questions, and returned investigations... so the whole "affair" is doubtful at best... Newspapers only later turned the rumormill and sensationalism into an industrialized business... not so much for dubiously and randomly finding rich women to burn alive for fictional crimes, but purely to sell their supposedly credible "journalism" no matter how many or to whom they caused harm in backlash for this fictional behavior... ;o)
It's also funny they are both fiction. Holmes killed people for money. It wasn't a hobby and although he is a psychopath just the same, it's different. That and no one has proven he actually did most of what he is accused of. Over the years things that couldn't be solved got thrown squarely on the Holmes list.
I started watching a television show called "Timeless" several nights ago. I came home from shooting pool last night and was perusing UA-cam and came across this video and watched it. A little later after that I resumed watching "Timeless" and the second episode I watched was about them going back to the World's Fair in Chicago and getting trapped in this same "Murder Castle". You would not believe how often that sort of thing happens to me and yet I'm still astounded every time it occurs. (If anybody's confused I was referring to the coincidence happening to me, not getting trapped in the "Murder Castle".)
@Ayoe Lang @Gary Stump Sr I was thinking exactly the same thing!! except that I would likely end up trapped in a murder castle! and, sorry gary, but no thanks..
Back when the weekly radio show I cohosted was still on, we had as a guest researcher Jeff Mudgett, relative to HH Holmes, and author of the book _Bloodstains,_ about his murderous relative...
There is an excellent book called "The Devil In The White City" that tells the story from both H.H. Holmes perspectives and the architects that were working on the Chicago World Fair. I recommend it if you want to know more.
Wow. That was incredibly depressing. He was far more entertaining being a homicidal maniac. But thank you for the excellent story-telling! Your channel is definitely a favorite of mine.
@@Vikanuck it's true, despite the grammar. He'd loot the graves, keep the valuables, flence and sell the skeletons to the University of Chicago. He did the same with many of his victims. It amazes me how none of the universities would ever get curious when one or two people keep showing up with corpses & skeletons for sale. Nor were the professors *buying* said remains ever made to face any repercussions for not mentioning something as sus as "Bob's Weekly Corpse Delivery" to authorities.
1:25 Albert "The Fisherman" Fish & Carl Panzram are two that blow Holmes completely out of the water. While he stayed in the single digits, Fish beats Holmes purely due victim selection (under 5) and disposal (cannibalism). While we don't have a great lock on Holmes' total body count, we don't for Panzram either. But he was active much longer, killed more frequently and is likely to have a *much* higher body count. The guy was a literal "Murderhobo" his entire adult life. Holmes mostly killed for insurance money. Panzram just killed. If his victim(s) had anything he would take it but it wasn't his motive.
Yes, exactly the point I made in my comment. Holmes was more of a career gangster type than he was a traditional serial killer, it was pretty much strictly business not pleasure and it's even said that he felt remorse for his killings
@@Dan-be7iu the thing about Panzram is that he's proven to have done enough of the unbelievable stuff that it makes the unproven that much more plausible. Even if it is mostly exaggeration I'm willing to bet you wouldn't spend a night with him for anything in this world
ive been watching for years and years and just want to say your content is the best its ever been right now, the hard work you put into the channel shows, these videos are fantastic
The mark of a good content creator is choosing interesting content and presenting it in an engaging and digestible manner. The mark of a great content creator is making content that might not normally interest me enticing by merit of their ability to entertain and engage in and of itself. Your videos have become a staple of my day. Thanks for what you do!
Only started watching ur channel 2 or 3 years ago..... since then have become and avid fan... glad to see you going back to correct one of ur previous videos some 8 years ago..... true journalism; the context of the macarbe and the unusual could teach the press a thing or two in this day and age. Keep up the good and interesting work
Isn't the outlandish death factory the plot of American Horror Story: Hotel? I'd definitely put the final confession down to, "I'm gonna die, let's just go crazy and make a legend. They'll be so confused they'll never know the truth." One last con.
One of the most unforgettable, compelling books I ever read is Erik Larsen's bestseller THE DEVIL IN THE WHITE CITY. His historically-based books are famous and among the most popular in the world. Are you saying his research on H.H.HOLMES had more holes than a dish-drainer? That would call into question everything he ever wrote. I'm speechless. 😮
I decided to go back through the back catalogue, it's weird watching how you first started constantly pausing while making the videos and looking a bit nervous, now its more league of extraordinary gentlemen Quartermain style. Keep em coming.
I'm sooo glad that someone finally tells the truth about Holmes so-called "murder castle" ! To me, Luis Garavito is by far the worst serial killer if you ask me
Fascinating video, as I've seen stories before that perpetuate the "Murder Castle " myth. I've always taken the story with a grain of salt because I couldn't believe he could get away with such wholesale gruesomeness all by himself. Thanks for the clarification!
At the time he was killing he honestly could of gotten away with it he could of done all this stuff there's just no proof or documentation to back it up making it a rumor which was easy hiring multiple different building companies to build part of the hotel there were secret hallways and rooms that led to no where and shoots that led to the basement they just don't have any evidence that he used the hotel for malicious intent
@@alexandriarennie5992 The third floor "hotel" part of the building was never finished, so the "secret" rooms, hallways, shutes leading to the basement, etc, probably never existed at all. They may have been simply inventions of the press, as were many of the stories about H.H. Holmes and his alleged "Murder Castle."
I love this series, man, it's one of my favorites on UA-cam. You pick a lot of interesting subjects to talk about and you are an incredible story-teller.
@AzureWolf150 the plaque, or body parts? I believe it is according to your location, and situation that is in question. Generally, I would guess not, but if you possess any of these. You may not be concerned about that, but Akuma, Matata?
Thank you for telling me the truth and setting me straight! I have been obsessed with HH Holmes since I heard about him in my early twenties. Now I know all the quote facts are not facts LOL thank goodness I didn't write a school paper on him when I was in college! It would have all been wrong.
Everyone here should read Devil in the White City!!! Amazing book detailing this story and that of the world’s fair itself in Chicago at the same time. It’s incredible.
Ed Gein was truly horrifying. He really set a bar on serial killers. He rivals some of the non-fiction characters like Hannibal Lector and Buffalo Bill In Silence of the Lambs, as well as Norman Bates in psycho and Leather Face. Gein kept faces and body parts (using the top of one skull as a bowl) and he upholstered furniture with human skin. That guy was truly a monster!
I think he was the inspiration for leather face/texas chainsaw massacre. Heard this recently, saw the movie as a teen and had no idea as I wasn't into true crime yet.
While I definitely agree he did some wild stuff with body parts, I'd argue he doesn't really set much of a bar, considering he only killed two people. At least, that they could prove.
You're a little confused. You refer to Hannibal Lector, the "Buffalo Bill" killer (both from "The Silence of the Lambs"), Norman Bates ("Psycho"), and "Leatherface" ("The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and its many sequels, prequels, and remakes) as "non-fiction characters." Wrong! They're all FICTIONAL, meaning that they're just characters in books, movies, or whatever, that they're not real people. "Non-fiction" means that it's a true story, and that the people in the story are REAL. Also, I don't think Ed Gein (who was supposedly the inspiration for the above mentioned fictional murderers) can be considered a "serial killer," because he has, so far, only been linked to TWO murders. Usually, the term "serial killer" is applied to someone who murders much MORE than two victims (often, it has to be four or more victims).
@@michaelpalmieri7335 he used skin as furniture, he used skulls as bowls and face skins as art. Perhaps he was a grave robber who had a serious Mommy Fixation problem. Either way: yes of course the movie characters were fictional. Ed Gein was real. A serious study into twisted mentality…what on earth made him think and do such things? Human skin stretched like leather as a chair… a lampshade…gutting the woman who was strung up like a deer being dressed… it’s that mentality that scares me!
Stephanie Harlowe posted a 3 parter on her channel on Holmes. She came to the same conclusion about the number of people he may have actually killed but goes into much more detail. 10/10 would recommend!
Every time he says "Thoughty2" in his accent, one hears "42" which is "the answer to life, the universe and everything", which perfectly describes the theme behind the videos on his channel, leading one to assume why he chose this name. - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
A common misquote. In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of etc., not the answer to those things themselves. What this "ultimate question" is never gets revealed.
You are spot on. There is so much false information out there, and we're all fascinated by the idea of a " murder castle". It's almost impossible to verify anything on Mr Hrrman Mudgett. Thanx for your video - setting the record straight(er). Poor Mr Pitzel and family.
Thanks for finally making a H.H. Holmes video. Herman Webster Mudgett, is a very fascinating study. I studied about him in a Sociology class in college when we had to write a report on a criminal mind. I tied him in with Jack the Ripper, whom I believe are one and the same. He was in London during the time of the Jack the Ripper murders. And after he left London the killings stopped, yet similar killings happened in the United States. In fact, Scottland Yard was notified because of the Ripper Style murders in the United States. Another great and fascinating video. 🙃
There's a really good documentary about him that talks about pretty much everything you talked about but they have the time to go into way more detail! Definitely worth the time to watch.
@@rileyfuckingrifle I think it was the 2004 one by John Borowski. But I'm not sure they all have the same name. H.h. Holmes Americas first serial killer.
I remember watching a crime documentary about him and amazed how he created this creepy house etc, then found out it wasn't true 😂. Thanks for putting us right with the facts, I still found the whole story of him fascinating thanks to your way of story telling. Great job as always ☺️👏👏❤️
As soon as the mentioning of the design to the building was very mazelike, i was immediately reminded of the dark pictures anthology game, the devil in me, there’s a reference to HH Holmes at the beginning of the game and its the inspiration to the game itself, I watched Jacksepticeye’s playthrough of the game, thats the only reason I know about it
In college a history buff friend of mine told me about a local family who owned a glass manufacturing plant. (there's a ballpark named after them near campus) and supposedly their entire bloodline was cursed after supplying the windows for H.H.Holmes's "Murder Palace" now I'm not so sure about the whole story, but it's still cool to think about.
This was a great story. My partner and I just played The Devil In Me, a video-game wherein you navigate Holmes' "murder hotel" with a film crew. Kind of happy we were under the 200-kill-delusion at that point. Knowing he was a fraud as we gamed might have undermined it a touch hahaha.
The Harp brothers were active before H.H. Holmes. I'm a descendant of them. My Dad would tell me about how dangerous they were. Which he was told by his parents, and grandparents. They operated in the Ozarks mostly.
Love your videos! Ever thought about doing a video on the Beast of Gévaudan? just watched the movie Brotherhood Of The Wolf and the story it's based on is nothing less than fascinating mate
The beginning of the video: Between Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Rader, that's a really tough decision. Both extremely evil in somewhat different ways. Deciding who the most evil or worst serial killer is? Almost impossible. Thanks for pointing out the mythic parts of the HH Holmes story. His actual murders are horrible enough even without yellow journalism.
@@adeponol More worse than whom? There are many who are worse than HH Holmes in many different ways, but when it comes to the first two I mentioned, I'm not sure I would agree. I agree that Albert Fish was really, really bad, though. To say the least. He's definitely up there too. Any child killer is simply evil.
Ironically enough, I knew you'd mention him the moment I clicked on the video. The thumbnail and hat gave away his ID right away 😂 Great presentation once again, T2!
I’d say Jack The Ripper is the most terrifying, somewhat because of what he’s done in such short amount of time and how he brutalized the victims, but mostly how he brought fear and curiosity to the people of White Chapel, taunted the police with his “from hell” letter and that he was never caught
there was a show on the history channel a few years back about hh holmes and the conspiracy that he was jack the ripper but shocker just like oak island it got nowhere
Everytime i'm channelsurfing and I see an episode of Oak Island, i'm just like, "still ain't found the treasure, huh...getting real ark of the covenant vibes" lol. Then again, that's just everything Discovery/History channels do lol.
Super interesting video. Somehow, I never knew any of this until recently. I played the dark pictures anthology: the devil in me, and the game takes place in a replica of the murder castle, with the killer imitating Holmes. Before playing that game I had never even heard of him before
I still think it's hard to argue that HH Holmes was a serial killer, at least in the sense that we think of them today. Not only did he have a clear and "rational" reason for doing his killings (money), unlike people like Dahmer and Bundy who did it for a cheap thrill, but Holmes also supposedly showed remorse for multiple of his killings Personally, I like to argue that HH Holmes was more of a career gangster type than what people think of as a serial killer, although by definition he technically is
Agreed. He was gruesome and able to do children and dismemberment, as well as people close to him who trusted him, almost certainly a psychopath. But not a serial killer in any other way than having multiple bodies.
What are you talking about? Hhomes was more than likely psychopathic there was no remorse. You don't kill 200 some people and have remorse. You don't kill more than one person and not have remorse. The dude is a serial killer, multiple people. Some of them just for fun. I'm from Ohio. We grew up hearing about his House of horrors
@@monkeykidd420 if you press the read more button you'll see that I ended my comment by saying "by definition he technically is". Never argued that he wasn't, just that he's not comparable to Bundy or Dahmer for instance Also, he did show remorse, there are letters that exist that at the very least claim within that he was having issues coming to terms with the fact that he killed family members and others close to him, particularly a woman he'd fallen in love with
though on the other hand there were also letters saying that what he did was so dark, he didn’t know if should lie, because people might not believe a human could be so heinous. Also adding that he would skip writing about the begging for mercy and screams for help, not because they bothered him, but to save the readers. So I don’t know if he was… truly remorseful
I live about 10 mins from (the original) HHH's (Triple H - wrestler joke) grave site. He's buried in Yeadon / Darby PA, USA. So glad people are finally learning his true history and not only going based on fantasy. (AHS hotel didn't help lol) Love your face. Thank you for another fantastic video
H.H Holmes: The true History of the White City Devil, by Adam Selzer is a good book about the true story debunking the myth's of Holmes. Thanks for doing the real story.
have you read Harold Schlecter's "Depraved"...one of the early books on the subject....there was a lot more to Holmes than just the Castle...his swindles were his forte
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Holmes was definitely a creepy bastard, but more of a con man who didn't mind offing people for profit or convenience than some of the more compulsive and sadistic examples out there. Off the top of my head, can't imagine an early killer more evil than Albert Fish. No contest there. And there are tons of examples in South America that likely hit on Holmes' falsely attributed body count. Holmes' murder castle does sound more like a horror movie plot than most though.
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Hey Thoughty2, have you ever done a video or given an explanation as to why your channel is named what it is? I'm just curious because it feels really close to a reference to the Hitman video game.
The serial killer that always made my stomach turn the most was Albert Fish. Just an absolutely disgusting human being.
When you were talking about some recent serial killers, I was thinking "What about H. H. Holmes?" Next you talked about Holmes, and I felt proud to have known about him. Then you set the record straight. I was shocked and deflated.
Let’s also mention the fact that H.H Holmes is actually Jack the Ripper
@@DeskDragon nah that's dB cooper
@@out_of_orbit1968 actually its me
We hear you!
The internet isn’t real, all of this are just ads and bots catered to suit your desires based on a microchip implanted to your brain at birth.
Being the macabre historian you are, I was wondering when Holmes was going to get your treatment. And you don't disappoint. Thanks for always trying to deliver the truth. Excellent.
Just watch 3-4 other history fact channels, he copies other youtubers when their videos are successful. I watched basically the same video by some other guy about a week ago ... And yes that's no coincidence, that's about the tenth time I've seen him doing it
@@CrazzyJokerr Link to those youtubers and "original" video about HH Holmes, please?
@@jeinnerabdel don't wait for them, they're lying.
@@jeinnerabdel Dude I watch like 30 videos a day. The title was something like: Who wins the serial killer competition?
@@CrazzyJokerr so cringe Ai videos?
As part of a book club years ago we read “ The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair That Changed America” - what a wonderful book! This story is told in alternating chapters to some dramatic events surrounding the creation of the World’s Fair in the same time frame just blocks away!
Adam Selzer's book "H H Holmes" does a really good job at breaking down and separating the myths from facts. Very well researched and written.
It's common for serial killers to exaggerate their crimes. I think it's because most of them are highly narcissistic and will do what they can to get the recognition they believe that they deserve.
Whenever I read about particularly heinous crimes with high victim counts like H H Holmes, Elizabeth Bathory and the like I always bare in mind that newspapers always exaggerate things (some things never change) but that there's usually a train of truth there too. It's unfortunate that we must rely on newspaper reports for so much of the information about history. There are other sources but these are scant compared to the newspaper reports.
I doubt newspapers had much to say, much less exaggerate anything in the case of E. Bathory...how many of newspapers or journalist do you know btw.the ages of 1560 and 1614?😂
@@veskoavramovic6531 Maybe not "Newspapers" in so many syllables... BUT in that same token, because literally EVERYONE involved had their reasons (profit, status/class, politics, public image) to exaggerate or lie outright. For the time, even something as petty as a stolen chicken would result in a document called "Letter of Complaint", and there's almost nothing of those... The witness accounts that can be confirmed are largely based on word of mouth, and even the arresting officials gave enough conflict in their own accounts to be questionable at best...
The reality is that even AFTER her legal husband died, she was making money AND expanding her land-ownership, in a place and time where women just were NOT welcome to do that kind of thing independently. Men felt threatened and insecure, and she held debt-marks for several other nobles and their families. Keeping more or less to herself, and mostly earning a living by teaching Courtly Manners and Etiquette to young women for THEIR families, she was an easy target... especially when making business deals to profit a woman couldn't be seen as becoming for a man of the times, she would've been kept quiet about that so rumors were allowed to fly.
AND for the estimates of her victims and atrocities... from the shear scale there should be SOMETHING findable now... and there simply has been NOTHING in spite of questions, and returned investigations... so the whole "affair" is doubtful at best...
Newspapers only later turned the rumormill and sensationalism into an industrialized business... not so much for dubiously and randomly finding rich women to burn alive for fictional crimes, but purely to sell their supposedly credible "journalism" no matter how many or to whom they caused harm in backlash for this fictional behavior... ;o)
Bathory fake
That's ironic, the most famous detective shares a name with the most horrific serial killer.
It's also funny they are both fiction. Holmes killed people for money. It wasn't a hobby and although he is a psychopath just the same, it's different. That and no one has proven he actually did most of what he is accused of. Over the years things that couldn't be solved got thrown squarely on the Holmes list.
**Vsauce sounds** OR IS IT?
Sherlock Holmes is fictional, HH Holmes isn't so no irony here pal.
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Lemme guess, you don't have a lot of "pals".......
@@osmanhadzalic9060 Holmes chose his name. He wasn't born Holmes.
I started watching a television show called "Timeless" several nights ago. I came home from shooting pool last night and was perusing UA-cam and came across this video and watched it. A little later after that I resumed watching "Timeless" and the second episode I watched was about them going back to the World's Fair in Chicago and getting trapped in this same "Murder Castle". You would not believe how often that sort of thing happens to me and yet I'm still astounded every time it occurs. (If anybody's confused I was referring to the coincidence happening to me, not getting trapped in the "Murder Castle".)
Oh thank gawd. I was afraid I had to go bail you out. It would really mess up with my plans today!
@@ayoelang It's the thought that counts.
@Ayoe Lang
@Gary Stump Sr
I was thinking exactly the same thing!! except that I would likely end up trapped in a murder castle! and, sorry gary, but no thanks..
It's not a coincidence
@@jasonvoorhees8545 I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning behind that assessment.
Anybody ever get the impression Thoughty2 picks his subject based on the popularity and SIZE of the "moustaches" in his stories???
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That's just what Big-Stache wants you to think
Of course!
@@rh2097 HAHAHA!!!!
Man, I love these videos. The storytelling, the comedy and just the entire atmosphere is simply incredible. Keep it up my man.
Back when the weekly radio show I cohosted was still on, we had as a guest researcher Jeff Mudgett, relative to HH Holmes, and author of the book _Bloodstains,_ about his murderous relative...
There is an excellent book called "The Devil In The White City" that tells the story from both H.H. Holmes perspectives and the architects that were working on the Chicago World Fair. I recommend it if you want to know more.
Great book
reading this book was my introduction to H.H. Holmes
Such an amazing book
@@zacazzz wait what!? Hell yea
Good book, I read it a few years back. I'm not sure how factual it is, but it is a good read
Wow. That was incredibly depressing. He was far more entertaining being a homicidal maniac. But thank you for the excellent story-telling! Your channel is definitely a favorite of mine.
He was definitely some kind of criminal psychopath, but probably not as efficient at murdering as the legend has it.
HH Holmes was/hired grave robbers too, so we don't know how many skeletons were from that or his murder victims.
HH Holmes was grave robbers? 🤔😄 lol
@@Vikanuck it's true, despite the grammar. He'd loot the graves, keep the valuables, flence and sell the skeletons to the University of Chicago. He did the same with many of his victims.
It amazes me how none of the universities would ever get curious when one or two people keep showing up with corpses & skeletons for sale.
Nor were the professors *buying* said remains ever made to face any repercussions for not mentioning something as sus as "Bob's Weekly Corpse Delivery" to authorities.
He robbed graves and sold the bodies.
I think the receipt thing is a stroke of genius. Who would ask questions if you presented a receipt yo👀
@@kenik2023yo??? What does that mean, yo
Great narration, great story stated in a very chill way. Thanks
1:25 Albert "The Fisherman" Fish & Carl Panzram are two that blow Holmes completely out of the water.
While he stayed in the single digits, Fish beats Holmes purely due victim selection (under 5) and disposal (cannibalism).
While we don't have a great lock on Holmes' total body count, we don't for Panzram either. But he was active much longer, killed more frequently and is likely to have a *much* higher body count. The guy was a literal "Murderhobo" his entire adult life.
Holmes mostly killed for insurance money. Panzram just killed. If his victim(s) had anything he would take it but it wasn't his motive.
Yes, exactly the point I made in my comment. Holmes was more of a career gangster type than he was a traditional serial killer, it was pretty much strictly business not pleasure and it's even said that he felt remorse for his killings
Panzram was a dude raper and of course murdered many of his victims tho he likely exaggerated alot too.
@@Dan-be7iu the thing about Panzram is that he's proven to have done enough of the unbelievable stuff that it makes the unproven that much more plausible.
Even if it is mostly exaggeration I'm willing to bet you wouldn't spend a night with him for anything in this world
ive been watching for years and years and just want to say your content is the best its ever been right now, the hard work you put into the channel shows, these videos are fantastic
That was the single most sinister wink to camera in the history of winks to camera. Excellent work good sir.
Greatest winker of all time
The mark of a good content creator is choosing interesting content and presenting it in an engaging and digestible manner. The mark of a great content creator is making content that might not normally interest me enticing by merit of their ability to entertain and engage in and of itself. Your videos have become a staple of my day. Thanks for what you do!
Was watching a video from 4 years ago then saw this, you have changed so much it's incredible. Well-done.
Only started watching ur channel 2 or 3 years ago..... since then have become and avid fan... glad to see you going back to correct one of ur previous videos some 8 years ago..... true journalism; the context of the macarbe and the unusual could teach the press a thing or two in this day and age. Keep up the good and interesting work
Isn't the outlandish death factory the plot of American Horror Story: Hotel?
I'd definitely put the final confession down to, "I'm gonna die, let's just go crazy and make a legend. They'll be so confused they'll never know the truth." One last con.
One of the most unforgettable, compelling books I ever read is Erik Larsen's bestseller THE DEVIL IN THE WHITE CITY.
His historically-based books are famous and among the most popular in the world.
Are you saying his research on H.H.HOLMES had more holes than a dish-drainer?
That would call into question everything he ever wrote.
I'm speechless. 😮
I decided to go back through the back catalogue, it's weird watching how you first started constantly pausing while making the videos and looking a bit nervous, now its more league of extraordinary gentlemen Quartermain style. Keep em coming.
I'm sooo glad that someone finally tells the truth about Holmes so-called "murder castle" !
To me, Luis Garavito is by far the worst serial killer if you ask me
It's like walking downstairs in the middle of the night on Christmas and seeing your mom and dad putting presents under the tree all the fun is gone.
This is how I feel also. LOL
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Fascinating video, as I've seen stories before that perpetuate the "Murder Castle " myth. I've always taken the story with a grain of salt because I couldn't believe he could get away with such wholesale gruesomeness all by himself. Thanks for the clarification!
At the time he was killing he honestly could of gotten away with it he could of done all this stuff there's just no proof or documentation to back it up making it a rumor which was easy hiring multiple different building companies to build part of the hotel there were secret hallways and rooms that led to no where and shoots that led to the basement they just don't have any evidence that he used the hotel for malicious intent
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The third floor "hotel" part of the building was never finished, so the "secret" rooms, hallways, shutes leading to the basement, etc, probably never existed at all. They may have been simply inventions of the press, as were many of the stories about H.H. Holmes and his alleged "Murder Castle."
I love this series, man, it's one of my favorites on UA-cam. You pick a lot of interesting subjects to talk about and you are an incredible story-teller.
I’m was born in Chicago and this is News to me ! My family has personal items from the Fair . Mind blown-good job !
A eye , hand, a shoulder?
@@johnsimun6533 No , just a plaque .
@@shereesmazik5030 be careful. The world has jumped went through a pandemic. Hopefully it has several safe points to help prevent the release.
*just
@AzureWolf150 the plaque, or body parts? I believe it is according to your location, and situation that is in question. Generally, I would guess not, but if you possess any of these. You may not be concerned about that, but Akuma, Matata?
Thanks for sharing
Thank you for telling me the truth and setting me straight! I have been obsessed with HH Holmes since I heard about him in my early twenties. Now I know all the quote facts are not facts LOL thank goodness I didn't write a school paper on him when I was in college! It would have all been wrong.
Everyone here should read Devil in the White City!!! Amazing book detailing this story and that of the world’s fair itself in Chicago at the same time. It’s incredible.
8:38 - surely “Netflix and kill” would have been a better phrase lol
Ed Gein was truly horrifying. He really set a bar on serial killers. He rivals some of the non-fiction characters like Hannibal Lector and Buffalo Bill In Silence of the Lambs, as well as Norman Bates in psycho and Leather Face. Gein kept faces and body parts (using the top of one skull as a bowl) and he upholstered furniture with human skin. That guy was truly a monster!
I think he was the inspiration for leather face/texas chainsaw massacre. Heard this recently, saw the movie as a teen and had no idea as I wasn't into true crime yet.
While I definitely agree he did some wild stuff with body parts, I'd argue he doesn't really set much of a bar, considering he only killed two people. At least, that they could prove.
Albert fish is right up there.
You're a little confused. You refer to Hannibal Lector, the "Buffalo Bill" killer (both from "The Silence of the Lambs"), Norman Bates ("Psycho"), and "Leatherface" ("The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and its many sequels, prequels, and remakes) as "non-fiction characters."
Wrong! They're all FICTIONAL, meaning that they're just characters in books, movies, or whatever, that they're not real people. "Non-fiction" means that it's a true story, and that the people in the story are REAL.
Also, I don't think Ed Gein (who was supposedly the inspiration for the above mentioned fictional murderers) can be considered a "serial killer," because he has, so far, only been linked to TWO murders. Usually, the term "serial killer" is applied to someone who murders much MORE than two victims (often, it has to be four or more victims).
@@michaelpalmieri7335 he used skin as furniture, he used skulls as bowls and face skins as art. Perhaps he was a grave robber who had a serious Mommy Fixation problem. Either way: yes of course the movie characters were fictional. Ed Gein was real. A serious study into twisted mentality…what on earth made him think and do such things? Human skin stretched like leather as a chair… a lampshade…gutting the woman who was strung up like a deer being dressed… it’s that mentality that scares me!
The top 2 worst in my opinion are Albert Fish and Dean Corll. When it involves children and torture it doesn't get much worse than that.
Stephanie Harlowe posted a 3 parter on her channel on Holmes. She came to the same conclusion about the number of people he may have actually killed but goes into much more detail. 10/10 would recommend!
>Stephanie HarLOT posted
Hard PASS
Every time he says "Thoughty2" in his accent, one hears "42" which is "the answer to life, the universe and everything", which perfectly describes the theme behind the videos on his channel, leading one to assume why he chose this name.
- The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
it's official he chose a name that sounds similar to "42" ....
A common misquote. In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of etc., not the answer to those things themselves. What this "ultimate question" is never gets revealed.
Is it weird that I’m a little disappointed that he didn’t actually build the Murder Castle?
no totally not it would only be weird if this didnt happen like 200 years ago
You are spot on. There is so much false information out there, and we're all fascinated by the idea of a " murder castle". It's almost impossible to verify anything on Mr Hrrman Mudgett. Thanx for your video - setting the record straight(er). Poor Mr Pitzel and family.
Thanks for finally making a H.H. Holmes video. Herman Webster Mudgett, is a very fascinating study. I studied about him in a Sociology class in college when we had to write a report on a criminal mind. I tied him in with Jack the Ripper, whom I believe are one and the same. He was in London during the time of the Jack the Ripper murders. And after he left London the killings stopped, yet similar killings happened in the United States. In fact, Scottland Yard was notified because of the Ripper Style murders in the United States. Another great and fascinating video. 🙃
I'd say the worst in my opinion was propably Chikatilo. He was sadly quite productive in his serial k*ller career.😕
There's a really good documentary about him that talks about pretty much everything you talked about but they have the time to go into way more detail! Definitely worth the time to watch.
What is it called?
@@rileyfuckingrifle I think it was the 2004 one by John Borowski. But I'm not sure they all have the same name. H.h. Holmes Americas first serial killer.
I remember watching a crime documentary about him and amazed how he created this creepy house etc, then found out it wasn't true 😂. Thanks for putting us right with the facts, I still found the whole story of him fascinating thanks to your way of story telling. Great job as always ☺️👏👏❤️
I love how he wanted to he buried 10 feet under and in concrete so he didn't get dug up but he got dug up anyways
I love that his neck didn't break right away and he swung on the rope for 20 minutes. Some good suffering time there.
Love this channel! Thanks for all you do and for being a genuine being!
I just know his ghost must have been PISSED when he saw people exhume it from the "10 feet of concrete" is was supposed to be encased in.
As soon as the mentioning of the design to the building was very mazelike, i was immediately reminded of the dark pictures anthology game, the devil in me, there’s a reference to HH Holmes at the beginning of the game and its the inspiration to the game itself, I watched Jacksepticeye’s playthrough of the game, thats the only reason I know about it
In college a history buff friend of mine told me about a local family who owned a glass manufacturing plant. (there's a ballpark named after them near campus) and supposedly their entire bloodline was cursed after supplying the windows for H.H.Holmes's "Murder Palace" now I'm not so sure about the whole story, but it's still cool to think about.
I literally just woke my hubby up with laughing so loud when you said “ Both being colossal bastards” lmao 😂😂😂
This was a great story. My partner and I just played The Devil In Me, a video-game wherein you navigate Holmes' "murder hotel" with a film crew. Kind of happy we were under the 200-kill-delusion at that point. Knowing he was a fraud as we gamed might have undermined it a touch hahaha.
Now I’m questioning if some journalist heard he’s stolen horses and was just like “it’ll be more fun if it’s stolen corpses”
I've been following things related to H.H. Holmes for years, it's so interesting. Thanks for the video.
Alliteration and clarification, nice to see what's behind the curtain on this one. Keep up the classy style, it's fantastic.
The master of storytelling is back with another banger.
The quality of these videos and their researched is unmatched. No other channel finds the truth of history and displays it in such an engaging way
You should also check out The Why Files. Another excellent channel.
@@MidwestLori77 I absolutely love it. I love how he doesn't try to dispute his story based on his opinions but on research
He requested a concrete tomb so that he would not be dug up and yet he was still dug up 😂
Yes, I love these old true crime topics 👍🤠
The Harp brothers were active before H.H. Holmes.
I'm a descendant of them. My Dad would tell me about how dangerous they were. Which he was told by his parents, and grandparents.
They operated in the Ozarks mostly.
Murder Castel you say?
I thought the H.H stood for Haunter House Homes lol
Gets buried in concrete to avoid being dug up. Gets dug up anyway lol.
Love your videos! Ever thought about doing a video on the Beast of Gévaudan? just watched the movie Brotherhood Of The Wolf and the story it's based on is nothing less than fascinating mate
That movie is awesome!!
you did a video about hh holmes like a decade ago. long time subscriber here.
The beginning of the video: Between Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Rader, that's a really tough decision. Both extremely evil in somewhat different ways. Deciding who the most evil or worst serial killer is? Almost impossible.
Thanks for pointing out the mythic parts of the HH Holmes story. His actual murders are horrible enough even without yellow journalism.
I actually think Albert Fisher is worse
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More worse than whom? There are many who are worse than HH Holmes in many different ways, but when it comes to the first two I mentioned, I'm not sure I would agree. I agree that Albert Fish was really, really bad, though. To say the least. He's definitely up there too. Any child killer is simply evil.
Ironically enough, I knew you'd mention him the moment I clicked on the video. The thumbnail and hat gave away his ID right away 😂
Great presentation once again, T2!
Yes another Thoughty2 video while enjoying a fresh cup of tea
Your insights are both entertaining and educational thank you for your contribution to making you tube worthwhile watching 👍
You could tell he tried so hard not to say Netflix and kill instead of Netflix and dismemberment.
Love the content as usual♡
I’d say Jack The Ripper is the most terrifying, somewhat because of what he’s done in such short amount of time and how he brutalized the victims, but mostly how he brought fear and curiosity to the people of White Chapel, taunted the police with his “from hell” letter and that he was never caught
This kind of journalism still exists today, in most mainstream media.
there was a show on the history channel a few years back about hh holmes and the conspiracy that he was jack the ripper but shocker just like oak island it got nowhere
Everytime i'm channelsurfing and I see an episode of Oak Island, i'm just like, "still ain't found the treasure, huh...getting real ark of the covenant vibes" lol. Then again, that's just everything Discovery/History channels do lol.
Super interesting video. Somehow, I never knew any of this until recently. I played the dark pictures anthology: the devil in me, and the game takes place in a replica of the murder castle, with the killer imitating Holmes. Before playing that game I had never even heard of him before
I still think it's hard to argue that HH Holmes was a serial killer, at least in the sense that we think of them today. Not only did he have a clear and "rational" reason for doing his killings (money), unlike people like Dahmer and Bundy who did it for a cheap thrill, but Holmes also supposedly showed remorse for multiple of his killings
Personally, I like to argue that HH Holmes was more of a career gangster type than what people think of as a serial killer, although by definition he technically is
Agreed. He was gruesome and able to do children and dismemberment, as well as people close to him who trusted him, almost certainly a psychopath. But not a serial killer in any other way than having multiple bodies.
What are you talking about? Hhomes was more than likely psychopathic there was no remorse. You don't kill 200 some people and have remorse. You don't kill more than one person and not have remorse. The dude is a serial killer, multiple people. Some of them just for fun. I'm from Ohio. We grew up hearing about his House of horrors
@@monkeykidd420 if you press the read more button you'll see that I ended my comment by saying "by definition he technically is". Never argued that he wasn't, just that he's not comparable to Bundy or Dahmer for instance
Also, he did show remorse, there are letters that exist that at the very least claim within that he was having issues coming to terms with the fact that he killed family members and others close to him, particularly a woman he'd fallen in love with
@@monkeykidd420 Did you watch the video? He didn't kill anywhere near 200 people and the 'murder castle' story is almost totally made up.
though on the other hand there were also letters saying that what he did was so dark, he didn’t know if should lie, because people might not believe a human could be so heinous. Also adding that he would skip writing about the begging for mercy and screams for help, not because they bothered him, but to save the readers.
So I don’t know if he was… truly remorseful
I find your tales extremely entertaining..
I live about 10 mins from (the original) HHH's (Triple H - wrestler joke) grave site. He's buried in Yeadon / Darby PA, USA.
So glad people are finally learning his true history and not only going based on fantasy. (AHS hotel didn't help lol)
Love your face. Thank you for another fantastic video
Was his grave always littered with fanfare and half-empty liquor bottles? I always think it's so strange how the wicked are "honored" after death.
Yea I always questioned this whole story about this guy
‘ Heeeyyy 42 here’ never gets old 😅❤
I thought he said, "Thoughty 2".
I find it interersting that although he was buried in cement specifically to prevent being exhumed, Holmes was, in fact, dug up
H.H Holmes: The true History of the White City Devil, by Adam Selzer is a good book about the true story debunking the myth's of Holmes. Thanks for doing the real story.
It was Hendrik de Jong, he was even convicted for similar murders in Belgium and Netherlands. I can't believe you missed the most obvious suspect.
Shipman from the United Kingdom. They say he could be responsible for up to 1000 deaths. 😬
Love your channel! Love your delivery. Love your personality. I'm completely hooked.
Don't know how he keeps my attention; I don't have the longest attention span, but I watched all his videos for 6 hours straight..
have you read Harold Schlecter's "Depraved"...one of the early books on the subject....there was a lot more to Holmes than just the Castle...his swindles were his forte
Yay another thoughty2 video!!! We all know this one will be a good one.
6:35 theres a headstone that says ..MAX HELL
Well...appropriate for the video.
This guy makes great content
@snarfsnarf977 Certainly H.H.Holmes 😅
9:55 okay, I kinda get the horse stealing and insurance scam thing
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Netflix and dismemberment...LOL!!! Pure gold!!!
I used Grammarly in college. I hated it then, I hate it even more now. English Grammar has a level where all the rules become circular and very opinionated, and that's where Grammarly continues to decline.
The man was so scared his remains was gonna be dug up that he was buried in concrete… and then he got dug up anyways😂
Holmes was definitely a creepy bastard, but more of a con man who didn't mind offing people for profit or convenience than some of the more compulsive and sadistic examples out there. Off the top of my head, can't imagine an early killer more evil than Albert Fish. No contest there. And there are tons of examples in South America that likely hit on Holmes' falsely attributed body count. Holmes' murder castle does sound more like a horror movie plot than most though.
Wow such a fascinating video.
Man has the time to play Elden Ring but not 30 minutes to make breakfast. What a magnum gamer
I think its great you tell the facts about what was going on!! keep it up!!!
Amazing creator :D
Do I see that the "Five Door Room" at the right edge of the floor plan at 9:07 has a grand total of 3 doors? :)
I kill Cereal everyday.