Why Everyone Is Wrong About This Notorious Serial Killer

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  • @Thoughty2
    @Thoughty2  Рік тому +238

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    • @MessiEdiz
      @MessiEdiz Рік тому +4

      Cool

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      @dadafgf9360 Рік тому +1

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    • @theunluckycharm9637
      @theunluckycharm9637 Рік тому

      @@MessiEdiz very cool

    • @LachlanWarford
      @LachlanWarford Рік тому +3

      cool

    • @intotheaether9022
      @intotheaether9022 Рік тому +1

      Hey Thoughty2, have you ever done a video or given an explanation as to why your channel is named what it is? I'm just curious because it feels really close to a reference to the Hitman video game.

  • @bad_money
    @bad_money Рік тому +2399

    That's ironic, the most famous detective shares a name with the most horrific serial killer.

    • @RevDrCCoonansr
      @RevDrCCoonansr Рік тому

      It's also funny they are both fiction. Holmes killed people for money. It wasn't a hobby and although he is a psychopath just the same, it's different. That and no one has proven he actually did most of what he is accused of. Over the years things that couldn't be solved got thrown squarely on the Holmes list.

    • @magivkmeister6166
      @magivkmeister6166 Рік тому +195

      **Vsauce sounds** OR IS IT?

    • @osmanhadzalic9060
      @osmanhadzalic9060 Рік тому +173

      Sherlock Holmes is fictional, HH Holmes isn't so no irony here pal.

    • @PrairieWolf62
      @PrairieWolf62 Рік тому +284

      ​@@osmanhadzalic9060
      Lemme guess, you don't have a lot of "pals".......

    • @RevDrCCoonansr
      @RevDrCCoonansr Рік тому +104

      @@osmanhadzalic9060 Holmes chose his name. He wasn't born Holmes.

  • @jackmason5278
    @jackmason5278 Рік тому +640

    When you were talking about some recent serial killers, I was thinking "What about H. H. Holmes?" Next you talked about Holmes, and I felt proud to have known about him. Then you set the record straight. I was shocked and deflated.

    • @BraydenBarlow1210
      @BraydenBarlow1210 Рік тому +22

      Let’s also mention the fact that H.H Holmes is actually Jack the Ripper

    • @out_of_orbit1968
      @out_of_orbit1968 Рік тому +20

      ​@@BraydenBarlow1210 nah that's dB cooper

    • @mikefrosty9306
      @mikefrosty9306 Рік тому +17

      @@out_of_orbit1968 actually its me

    • @krishanuA
      @krishanuA Рік тому +1

      We hear you!

    • @OrdinaryCritic
      @OrdinaryCritic Рік тому

      The internet isn’t real, all of this are just ads and bots catered to suit your desires based on a microchip implanted to your brain at birth.

  • @WickedFelina
    @WickedFelina Рік тому +1283

    Anybody ever get the impression Thoughty2 picks his subject based on the popularity and SIZE of the "moustaches" in his stories???

  • @Rngenius_
    @Rngenius_ Рік тому +384

    There is an excellent book called "The Devil In The White City" that tells the story from both H.H. Holmes perspectives and the architects that were working on the Chicago World Fair. I recommend it if you want to know more.

    • @fidhammer
      @fidhammer Рік тому +11

      Great book

    • @Noseheros
      @Noseheros Рік тому +11

      reading this book was my introduction to H.H. Holmes

    • @jackryan4313
      @jackryan4313 Рік тому +3

      Such an amazing book

    • @jackryan4313
      @jackryan4313 Рік тому

      @@zacazzz wait what!? Hell yea

    • @WalkenDead
      @WalkenDead Рік тому +3

      Good book, I read it a few years back. I'm not sure how factual it is, but it is a good read

  • @davidlancaster8152
    @davidlancaster8152 Рік тому +304

    Being the macabre historian you are, I was wondering when Holmes was going to get your treatment. And you don't disappoint. Thanks for always trying to deliver the truth. Excellent.

    • @CrazzyJokerr
      @CrazzyJokerr Рік тому +4

      Just watch 3-4 other history fact channels, he copies other youtubers when their videos are successful. I watched basically the same video by some other guy about a week ago ... And yes that's no coincidence, that's about the tenth time I've seen him doing it

    • @jeinnerabdel
      @jeinnerabdel Рік тому +17

      @@CrazzyJokerr Link to those youtubers and "original" video about HH Holmes, please?

    • @aSipOfHemlocktea
      @aSipOfHemlocktea Рік тому

      ​@@jeinnerabdel don't wait for them, they're lying.

    • @CrazzyJokerr
      @CrazzyJokerr Рік тому +1

      @@jeinnerabdel Dude I watch like 30 videos a day. The title was something like: Who wins the serial killer competition?

    • @whathaveicreated1197
      @whathaveicreated1197 Рік тому

      @@CrazzyJokerr so cringe Ai videos?

  • @torrilarsen6503
    @torrilarsen6503 Рік тому +100

    Wow. That was incredibly depressing. He was far more entertaining being a homicidal maniac. But thank you for the excellent story-telling! Your channel is definitely a favorite of mine.

    • @censusgary
      @censusgary Рік тому +6

      He was definitely some kind of criminal psychopath, but probably not as efficient at murdering as the legend has it.

  • @Miss-Anne-Thrope
    @Miss-Anne-Thrope Рік тому +32

    It's common for serial killers to exaggerate their crimes. I think it's because most of them are highly narcissistic and will do what they can to get the recognition they believe that they deserve.
    Whenever I read about particularly heinous crimes with high victim counts like H H Holmes, Elizabeth Bathory and the like I always bare in mind that newspapers always exaggerate things (some things never change) but that there's usually a train of truth there too. It's unfortunate that we must rely on newspaper reports for so much of the information about history. There are other sources but these are scant compared to the newspaper reports.

    • @veskoavramovic6531
      @veskoavramovic6531 8 місяців тому +1

      I doubt newspapers had much to say, much less exaggerate anything in the case of E. Bathory...how many of newspapers or journalist do you know btw.the ages of 1560 and 1614?😂

    • @gnarthdarkanen7464
      @gnarthdarkanen7464 8 місяців тому

      @@veskoavramovic6531 Maybe not "Newspapers" in so many syllables... BUT in that same token, because literally EVERYONE involved had their reasons (profit, status/class, politics, public image) to exaggerate or lie outright. For the time, even something as petty as a stolen chicken would result in a document called "Letter of Complaint", and there's almost nothing of those... The witness accounts that can be confirmed are largely based on word of mouth, and even the arresting officials gave enough conflict in their own accounts to be questionable at best...
      The reality is that even AFTER her legal husband died, she was making money AND expanding her land-ownership, in a place and time where women just were NOT welcome to do that kind of thing independently. Men felt threatened and insecure, and she held debt-marks for several other nobles and their families. Keeping more or less to herself, and mostly earning a living by teaching Courtly Manners and Etiquette to young women for THEIR families, she was an easy target... especially when making business deals to profit a woman couldn't be seen as becoming for a man of the times, she would've been kept quiet about that so rumors were allowed to fly.
      AND for the estimates of her victims and atrocities... from the shear scale there should be SOMETHING findable now... and there simply has been NOTHING in spite of questions, and returned investigations... so the whole "affair" is doubtful at best...
      Newspapers only later turned the rumormill and sensationalism into an industrialized business... not so much for dubiously and randomly finding rich women to burn alive for fictional crimes, but purely to sell their supposedly credible "journalism" no matter how many or to whom they caused harm in backlash for this fictional behavior... ;o)

  • @robg8203
    @robg8203 Рік тому +111

    HH Holmes was/hired grave robbers too, so we don't know how many skeletons were from that or his murder victims.

    • @Vikanuck
      @Vikanuck Рік тому +6

      HH Holmes was grave robbers? 🤔😄 lol

    • @nicholashodges201
      @nicholashodges201 Рік тому

      @@Vikanuck it's true, despite the grammar. He'd loot the graves, keep the valuables, flence and sell the skeletons to the University of Chicago. He did the same with many of his victims.
      It amazes me how none of the universities would ever get curious when one or two people keep showing up with corpses & skeletons for sale.
      Nor were the professors *buying* said remains ever made to face any repercussions for not mentioning something as sus as "Bob's Weekly Corpse Delivery" to authorities.

    • @MidwestLori77
      @MidwestLori77 Рік тому

      He robbed graves and sold the bodies.

    • @kenik2023
      @kenik2023 Рік тому +1

      I think the receipt thing is a stroke of genius. Who would ask questions if you presented a receipt yo👀

    • @giggiddy
      @giggiddy Рік тому +2

      ​@@kenik2023yo??? What does that mean, yo

  • @LioraLand1
    @LioraLand1 Рік тому +26

    As part of a book club years ago we read “ The Devil in the White City: Murder, Magic, and Madness at the Fair That Changed America” - what a wonderful book! This story is told in alternating chapters to some dramatic events surrounding the creation of the World’s Fair in the same time frame just blocks away!

  • @TheGlssr60
    @TheGlssr60 Рік тому +86

    I started watching a television show called "Timeless" several nights ago. I came home from shooting pool last night and was perusing UA-cam and came across this video and watched it. A little later after that I resumed watching "Timeless" and the second episode I watched was about them going back to the World's Fair in Chicago and getting trapped in this same "Murder Castle". You would not believe how often that sort of thing happens to me and yet I'm still astounded every time it occurs. (If anybody's confused I was referring to the coincidence happening to me, not getting trapped in the "Murder Castle".)

    • @ayoelang
      @ayoelang Рік тому +9

      Oh thank gawd. I was afraid I had to go bail you out. It would really mess up with my plans today!

    • @TheGlssr60
      @TheGlssr60 Рік тому +3

      @@ayoelang It's the thought that counts.

    • @yepiguess-nn8kc
      @yepiguess-nn8kc Рік тому

      @Ayoe Lang
      @Gary Stump Sr
      I was thinking exactly the same thing!! except that I would likely end up trapped in a murder castle! and, sorry gary, but no thanks..

    • @jasonvoorhees8545
      @jasonvoorhees8545 Рік тому +1

      It's not a coincidence

    • @TheGlssr60
      @TheGlssr60 Рік тому

      @@jasonvoorhees8545 I'd be interested in hearing your reasoning behind that assessment.

  • @nicholashodges201
    @nicholashodges201 Рік тому +13

    1:25 Albert "The Fisherman" Fish & Carl Panzram are two that blow Holmes completely out of the water.
    While he stayed in the single digits, Fish beats Holmes purely due victim selection (under 5) and disposal (cannibalism).
    While we don't have a great lock on Holmes' total body count, we don't for Panzram either. But he was active much longer, killed more frequently and is likely to have a *much* higher body count. The guy was a literal "Murderhobo" his entire adult life.
    Holmes mostly killed for insurance money. Panzram just killed. If his victim(s) had anything he would take it but it wasn't his motive.

    • @DUKEHadToDoItToEm
      @DUKEHadToDoItToEm Рік тому +6

      Yes, exactly the point I made in my comment. Holmes was more of a career gangster type than he was a traditional serial killer, it was pretty much strictly business not pleasure and it's even said that he felt remorse for his killings

  • @markmccullough1270
    @markmccullough1270 Рік тому +129

    That was the single most sinister wink to camera in the history of winks to camera. Excellent work good sir.

  • @arunaudi9768
    @arunaudi9768 Рік тому +11

    Man, I love these videos. The storytelling, the comedy and just the entire atmosphere is simply incredible. Keep it up my man.

  • @discotecc
    @discotecc Рік тому +33

    ive been watching for years and years and just want to say your content is the best its ever been right now, the hard work you put into the channel shows, these videos are fantastic

  • @markchapman2585
    @markchapman2585 Рік тому +56

    It's like walking downstairs in the middle of the night on Christmas and seeing your mom and dad putting presents under the tree all the fun is gone.

  • @tombailey5920
    @tombailey5920 Рік тому +4

    Only started watching ur channel 2 or 3 years ago..... since then have become and avid fan... glad to see you going back to correct one of ur previous videos some 8 years ago..... true journalism; the context of the macarbe and the unusual could teach the press a thing or two in this day and age. Keep up the good and interesting work

  • @mindydonham8300
    @mindydonham8300 Рік тому +17

    Ed Gein was truly horrifying. He really set a bar on serial killers. He rivals some of the non-fiction characters like Hannibal Lector and Buffalo Bill In Silence of the Lambs, as well as Norman Bates in psycho and Leather Face. Gein kept faces and body parts (using the top of one skull as a bowl) and he upholstered furniture with human skin. That guy was truly a monster!

    • @vawkwardbat
      @vawkwardbat Рік тому +3

      I think he was the inspiration for leather face/texas chainsaw massacre. Heard this recently, saw the movie as a teen and had no idea as I wasn't into true crime yet.

    • @benjaminarmstrong4846
      @benjaminarmstrong4846 Рік тому +8

      While I definitely agree he did some wild stuff with body parts, I'd argue he doesn't really set much of a bar, considering he only killed two people. At least, that they could prove.

    • @L1VE3V1L
      @L1VE3V1L Рік тому +2

      Albert fish is right up there.

    • @michaelpalmieri7335
      @michaelpalmieri7335 4 місяці тому +1

      You're a little confused. You refer to Hannibal Lector, the "Buffalo Bill" killer (both from "The Silence of the Lambs"), Norman Bates ("Psycho"), and "Leatherface" ("The Texas Chainsaw Massacre" and its many sequels, prequels, and remakes) as "non-fiction characters."
      Wrong! They're all FICTIONAL, meaning that they're just characters in books, movies, or whatever, that they're not real people. "Non-fiction" means that it's a true story, and that the people in the story are REAL.
      Also, I don't think Ed Gein (who was supposedly the inspiration for the above mentioned fictional murderers) can be considered a "serial killer," because he has, so far, only been linked to TWO murders. Usually, the term "serial killer" is applied to someone who murders much MORE than two victims (often, it has to be four or more victims).

    • @mindydonham8300
      @mindydonham8300 4 місяці тому +1

      @@michaelpalmieri7335 he used skin as furniture, he used skulls as bowls and face skins as art. Perhaps he was a grave robber who had a serious Mommy Fixation problem. Either way: yes of course the movie characters were fictional. Ed Gein was real. A serious study into twisted mentality…what on earth made him think and do such things? Human skin stretched like leather as a chair… a lampshade…gutting the woman who was strung up like a deer being dressed… it’s that mentality that scares me!

  • @realbadger
    @realbadger 5 місяців тому +1

    Back when the weekly radio show I cohosted was still on, we had as a guest researcher Jeff Mudgett, relative to HH Holmes, and author of the book _Bloodstains,_ about his murderous relative...

  • @cjdaly4652
    @cjdaly4652 5 місяців тому +1

    Great narration, great story stated in a very chill way. Thanks

  • @abelsauvaneix3951
    @abelsauvaneix3951 Рік тому +9

    I'm sooo glad that someone finally tells the truth about Holmes so-called "murder castle" !
    To me, Luis Garavito is by far the worst serial killer if you ask me

  • @colinmaass4260
    @colinmaass4260 Рік тому +7

    Is it weird that I’m a little disappointed that he didn’t actually build the Murder Castle?

  • @LKJames
    @LKJames Рік тому +4

    Was watching a video from 4 years ago then saw this, you have changed so much it's incredible. Well-done.

  • @origami83
    @origami83 Рік тому +14

    This kind of journalism still exists today, in most mainstream media.

  • @CharlieKling7
    @CharlieKling7 Рік тому +16

    Stephanie Harlowe posted a 3 parter on her channel on Holmes. She came to the same conclusion about the number of people he may have actually killed but goes into much more detail. 10/10 would recommend!

    • @bakielh229
      @bakielh229 4 місяці тому

      >Stephanie HarLOT posted
      Hard PASS

  • @whitehawk1057
    @whitehawk1057 Рік тому +6

    I decided to go back through the back catalogue, it's weird watching how you first started constantly pausing while making the videos and looking a bit nervous, now its more league of extraordinary gentlemen Quartermain style. Keep em coming.

  • @thequantumnexus4270
    @thequantumnexus4270 Рік тому +7

    Isn't the outlandish death factory the plot of American Horror Story: Hotel?
    I'd definitely put the final confession down to, "I'm gonna die, let's just go crazy and make a legend. They'll be so confused they'll never know the truth." One last con.

  • @neproxigaming
    @neproxigaming 11 місяців тому +1

    The mark of a good content creator is choosing interesting content and presenting it in an engaging and digestible manner. The mark of a great content creator is making content that might not normally interest me enticing by merit of their ability to entertain and engage in and of itself. Your videos have become a staple of my day. Thanks for what you do!

  • @hannahdanfer2083
    @hannahdanfer2083 Рік тому +3

    You always post just as I’m about to do m skincare before bed, it’s like you know I need your content at that moment 💖 love you Thoughty 😘

  • @merlapittman5034
    @merlapittman5034 Рік тому +37

    Fascinating video, as I've seen stories before that perpetuate the "Murder Castle " myth. I've always taken the story with a grain of salt because I couldn't believe he could get away with such wholesale gruesomeness all by himself. Thanks for the clarification!

    • @alexandriarennie5992
      @alexandriarennie5992 Рік тому

      At the time he was killing he honestly could of gotten away with it he could of done all this stuff there's just no proof or documentation to back it up making it a rumor which was easy hiring multiple different building companies to build part of the hotel there were secret hallways and rooms that led to no where and shoots that led to the basement they just don't have any evidence that he used the hotel for malicious intent

    • @michaelpalmieri7335
      @michaelpalmieri7335 4 місяці тому

      ​@@alexandriarennie5992
      The third floor "hotel" part of the building was never finished, so the "secret" rooms, hallways, shutes leading to the basement, etc, probably never existed at all. They may have been simply inventions of the press, as were many of the stories about H.H. Holmes and his alleged "Murder Castle."

  • @NateHenry405
    @NateHenry405 8 місяців тому

    I love this series, man, it's one of my favorites on UA-cam. You pick a lot of interesting subjects to talk about and you are an incredible story-teller.

  • @newtagwhodis4535
    @newtagwhodis4535 Рік тому +7

    Everyone here should read Devil in the White City!!! Amazing book detailing this story and that of the world’s fair itself in Chicago at the same time. It’s incredible.

  • @SAVEFINITY
    @SAVEFINITY Рік тому +6

    I love how he wanted to he buried 10 feet under and in concrete so he didn't get dug up but he got dug up anyways

  • @NyxinOwl
    @NyxinOwl Рік тому +30

    Love this channel! Thanks for all you do and for being a genuine being!

  • @Razer5542
    @Razer5542 Рік тому +1

    I've been following things related to H.H. Holmes for years, it's so interesting. Thanks for the video.

  • @GageisME333
    @GageisME333 Рік тому +5

    As soon as the mentioning of the design to the building was very mazelike, i was immediately reminded of the dark pictures anthology game, the devil in me, there’s a reference to HH Holmes at the beginning of the game and its the inspiration to the game itself, I watched Jacksepticeye’s playthrough of the game, thats the only reason I know about it

  • @antonsimmons8519
    @antonsimmons8519 Рік тому +3

    Alliteration and clarification, nice to see what's behind the curtain on this one. Keep up the classy style, it's fantastic.

  • @shereesmazik5030
    @shereesmazik5030 Рік тому +22

    I’m was born in Chicago and this is News to me ! My family has personal items from the Fair . Mind blown-good job !

    • @johnsimun6533
      @johnsimun6533 Рік тому +2

      A eye , hand, a shoulder?

    • @shereesmazik5030
      @shereesmazik5030 Рік тому +2

      @@johnsimun6533 No , just a plaque .

    • @johnsimun6533
      @johnsimun6533 Рік тому

      @@shereesmazik5030 be careful. The world has jumped went through a pandemic. Hopefully it has several safe points to help prevent the release.

    • @johnsimun6533
      @johnsimun6533 Рік тому

      *just

    • @Azurethewolf168
      @Azurethewolf168 Рік тому

      @@johnsimun6533 is that even legal to own?

  • @nonosays
    @nonosays 4 місяці тому +1

    One of the most unforgettable, compelling books I ever read is Erik Larsen's bestseller THE DEVIL IN THE WHITE CITY.
    His historically-based books are famous and among the most popular in the world.
    Are you saying his research on H.H.HOLMES had more holes than a dish-drainer?
    That would call into question everything he ever wrote.
    I'm speechless. 😮

  • @societalcipher3866
    @societalcipher3866 Рік тому +2

    Love your channel! Love your delivery. Love your personality. I'm completely hooked.

  • @Fizzwhizz28
    @Fizzwhizz28 Рік тому +11

    I literally just woke my hubby up with laughing so loud when you said “ Both being colossal bastards” lmao 😂😂😂

  • @Elora445
    @Elora445 Рік тому +19

    The beginning of the video: Between Jeffrey Dahmer and Dennis Rader, that's a really tough decision. Both extremely evil in somewhat different ways. Deciding who the most evil or worst serial killer is? Almost impossible.
    Thanks for pointing out the mythic parts of the HH Holmes story. His actual murders are horrible enough even without yellow journalism.

    • @adeponol
      @adeponol Рік тому +1

      I actually think Albert Fisher is worse

    • @Elora445
      @Elora445 Рік тому +1

      @@adeponol
      More worse than whom? There are many who are worse than HH Holmes in many different ways, but when it comes to the first two I mentioned, I'm not sure I would agree. I agree that Albert Fish was really, really bad, though. To say the least. He's definitely up there too. Any child killer is simply evil.

  • @Salena905
    @Salena905 3 місяці тому

    I remember watching a crime documentary about him and amazed how he created this creepy house etc, then found out it wasn't true 😂. Thanks for putting us right with the facts, I still found the whole story of him fascinating thanks to your way of story telling. Great job as always ☺️👏👏❤️

  • @bethgrinnell1164
    @bethgrinnell1164 Рік тому +2

    In college a history buff friend of mine told me about a local family who owned a glass manufacturing plant. (there's a ballpark named after them near campus) and supposedly their entire bloodline was cursed after supplying the windows for H.H.Holmes's "Murder Palace" now I'm not so sure about the whole story, but it's still cool to think about.

  • @truthtalkwithtymon5030
    @truthtalkwithtymon5030 Рік тому +7

    Thanks for finally making a H.H. Holmes video. Herman Webster Mudgett, is a very fascinating study. I studied about him in a Sociology class in college when we had to write a report on a criminal mind. I tied him in with Jack the Ripper, whom I believe are one and the same. He was in London during the time of the Jack the Ripper murders. And after he left London the killings stopped, yet similar killings happened in the United States. In fact, Scottland Yard was notified because of the Ripper Style murders in the United States. Another great and fascinating video. 🙃

  • @CaseyAvalon
    @CaseyAvalon Рік тому +4

    Yes, I love these old true crime topics 👍🤠

  • @wuteva34
    @wuteva34 6 місяців тому

    Yea I always questioned this whole story about this guy

  • @paulamiles9559
    @paulamiles9559 Рік тому +1

    You are spot on. There is so much false information out there, and we're all fascinated by the idea of a " murder castle". It's almost impossible to verify anything on Mr Hrrman Mudgett. Thanx for your video - setting the record straight(er). Poor Mr Pitzel and family.

  • @MrHerbsky
    @MrHerbsky Рік тому +5

    Murder Castel you say?
    I thought the H.H stood for Haunter House Homes lol

  • @certifiedscott
    @certifiedscott Рік тому +6

    Love your videos! Ever thought about doing a video on the Beast of Gévaudan? just watched the movie Brotherhood Of The Wolf and the story it's based on is nothing less than fascinating mate

  • @poison_plays2357
    @poison_plays2357 6 місяців тому +1

    He requested a concrete tomb so that he would not be dug up and yet he was still dug up 😂

  • @garethbell4603
    @garethbell4603 Рік тому +2

    Your videos are awesome and extremely entertaining keep up the good work

  • @TB163
    @TB163 Рік тому +5

    Every time he says "Thoughty2" in his accent, one hears "42" which is "the answer to life, the universe and everything", which perfectly describes the theme behind the videos on his channel, leading one to assume why he chose this name.
    - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

    • @rgerber
      @rgerber Рік тому +2

      it's official he chose a name that sounds similar to "42" ....

    • @SgtSupaman
      @SgtSupaman Рік тому +3

      A common misquote. In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, 42 is the answer to the ultimate question of etc., not the answer to those things themselves. What this "ultimate question" is never gets revealed.

  • @porkchop7995
    @porkchop7995 Рік тому +9

    There's a really good documentary about him that talks about pretty much everything you talked about but they have the time to go into way more detail! Definitely worth the time to watch.

    • @rileyfuckingrifle
      @rileyfuckingrifle Рік тому

      What is it called?

    • @porkchop7995
      @porkchop7995 Рік тому

      @@rileyfuckingrifle I think it was the 2004 one by John Borowski. But I'm not sure they all have the same name. H.h. Holmes Americas first serial killer.

  • @frozengamer3030
    @frozengamer3030 Рік тому +2

    The master of storytelling is back with another banger.

  • @kimcarriveau8266
    @kimcarriveau8266 Рік тому +1

    I think its great you tell the facts about what was going on!! keep it up!!!

  • @CantTellYou
    @CantTellYou Рік тому +6

    Now I’m questioning if some journalist heard he’s stolen horses and was just like “it’ll be more fun if it’s stolen corpses”

  • @victorvalkyrian5284
    @victorvalkyrian5284 Рік тому +9

    All of your videos are so interesting and your style is unique and the edition so great! You are by far the best channel. I've been following you for more than 3 years and there were less than a million subscribers, and It´s great to see that now you have more than 5 million! Congratulations and greetings from Mexico.

  • @merlin8514
    @merlin8514 6 місяців тому +1

    Your insights are both entertaining and educational thank you for your contribution to making you tube worthwhile watching 👍

  • @rancherogt8037
    @rancherogt8037 Рік тому +3

    H.H Holmes: The true History of the White City Devil, by Adam Selzer is a good book about the true story debunking the myth's of Holmes. Thanks for doing the real story.

  • @drgunsmith4099
    @drgunsmith4099 Рік тому +3

    Shipman from the United Kingdom. They say he could be responsible for up to 1000 deaths. 😬

  • @adamc18
    @adamc18 Рік тому +1

    Super interesting video. Somehow, I never knew any of this until recently. I played the dark pictures anthology: the devil in me, and the game takes place in a replica of the murder castle, with the killer imitating Holmes. Before playing that game I had never even heard of him before

  • @Prestonhlt
    @Prestonhlt 2 місяці тому

    9:55 okay, I kinda get the horse stealing and insurance scam thing

  • @DUKEHadToDoItToEm
    @DUKEHadToDoItToEm Рік тому +19

    I still think it's hard to argue that HH Holmes was a serial killer, at least in the sense that we think of them today. Not only did he have a clear and "rational" reason for doing his killings (money), unlike people like Dahmer and Bundy who did it for a cheap thrill, but Holmes also supposedly showed remorse for multiple of his killings
    Personally, I like to argue that HH Holmes was more of a career gangster type than what people think of as a serial killer, although by definition he technically is

    • @godwarrior3403
      @godwarrior3403 Рік тому +2

      Agreed. He was gruesome and able to do children and dismemberment, as well as people close to him who trusted him, almost certainly a psychopath. But not a serial killer in any other way than having multiple bodies.

    • @monkeykidd420
      @monkeykidd420 Рік тому +1

      What are you talking about? Hhomes was more than likely psychopathic there was no remorse. You don't kill 200 some people and have remorse. You don't kill more than one person and not have remorse. The dude is a serial killer, multiple people. Some of them just for fun. I'm from Ohio. We grew up hearing about his House of horrors

    • @DUKEHadToDoItToEm
      @DUKEHadToDoItToEm Рік тому

      @@monkeykidd420 if you press the read more button you'll see that I ended my comment by saying "by definition he technically is". Never argued that he wasn't, just that he's not comparable to Bundy or Dahmer for instance
      Also, he did show remorse, there are letters that exist that at the very least claim within that he was having issues coming to terms with the fact that he killed family members and others close to him, particularly a woman he'd fallen in love with

    • @christiandaugherty6339
      @christiandaugherty6339 Рік тому

      ​@@monkeykidd420 Did you watch the video? He didn't kill anywhere near 200 people and the 'murder castle' story is almost totally made up.

    • @papabumba478
      @papabumba478 Рік тому

      though on the other hand there were also letters saying that what he did was so dark, he didn’t know if should lie, because people might not believe a human could be so heinous. Also adding that he would skip writing about the begging for mercy and screams for help, not because they bothered him, but to save the readers.
      So I don’t know if he was… truly remorseful

  • @kurtzahner8590
    @kurtzahner8590 Рік тому +4

    there was a show on the history channel a few years back about hh holmes and the conspiracy that he was jack the ripper but shocker just like oak island it got nowhere

    • @auqustfire
      @auqustfire Рік тому +2

      Everytime i'm channelsurfing and I see an episode of Oak Island, i'm just like, "still ain't found the treasure, huh...getting real ark of the covenant vibes" lol. Then again, that's just everything Discovery/History channels do lol.

  • @DS6Prophet
    @DS6Prophet 11 місяців тому

    Ironically enough, I knew you'd mention him the moment I clicked on the video. The thumbnail and hat gave away his ID right away 😂
    Great presentation once again, T2!

  • @morlath4767
    @morlath4767 Рік тому +2

    I only know of this story due to a Jonathan Creek episode that did something similar to the "murder castle." I think it a small B&B locked room murder mystery.

  • @ohareair552
    @ohareair552 Рік тому +6

    The quality of these videos and their researched is unmatched. No other channel finds the truth of history and displays it in such an engaging way

    • @MidwestLori77
      @MidwestLori77 Рік тому +3

      You should also check out The Why Files. Another excellent channel.

    • @MoSherriCharlaSmith
      @MoSherriCharlaSmith Рік тому

      ​@@MidwestLori77 I absolutely love it. I love how he doesn't try to dispute his story based on his opinions but on research

  • @TyphonYEeEeee
    @TyphonYEeEeee Рік тому +5

    Don't know how he keeps my attention; I don't have the longest attention span, but I watched all his videos for 6 hours straight..

  • @justinbentz1229
    @justinbentz1229 Рік тому

    Thanks my friend. I always look forward to your upload 🍀

  • @fishbo_uses_soap
    @fishbo_uses_soap 5 місяців тому

    I find it interersting that although he was buried in cement specifically to prevent being exhumed, Holmes was, in fact, dug up

  • @jsnedia5389
    @jsnedia5389 Рік тому +7

    Yes another Thoughty2 video while enjoying a fresh cup of tea

  • @twiztidfreekshow199
    @twiztidfreekshow199 Рік тому +6

    I live about 10 mins from (the original) HHH's (Triple H - wrestler joke) grave site. He's buried in Yeadon / Darby PA, USA.
    So glad people are finally learning his true history and not only going based on fantasy. (AHS hotel didn't help lol)
    Love your face. Thank you for another fantastic video

    • @jackiec498
      @jackiec498 Рік тому +1

      Was his grave always littered with fanfare and half-empty liquor bottles? I always think it's so strange how the wicked are "honored" after death.

  • @M.Mae.M
    @M.Mae.M Рік тому

    Omg I have not saw one of your videos in so long, forgot how much I missed your channel. Funny thing is I am a subscriber 🤯

  • @sabishiihito
    @sabishiihito 10 місяців тому

    14:39 I legitimately laughed out loud at "He dead."

  • @jS-qf2dy
    @jS-qf2dy Рік тому +7

    ‘ Heeeyyy 42 here’ never gets old 😅❤

  • @AmitKumar-gm2ml
    @AmitKumar-gm2ml Рік тому +3

    FUN FACT : The famous wrestler (Triple H), listed his name from H H HOLMES, just to terify the opponent by the name.

  • @dylankamp4899
    @dylankamp4899 Рік тому +2

    I see someone pointed out the irony of Sherlock Holmes and H.H.Holmes shares a same name. But an interesting theory is that H.H.Holmes is also Jack the Ripper. It’s far fetched but they do have record that H.H. Holmes Was in England in and around the time the Jack the Ripper killings happened.

    • @SgtSupaman
      @SgtSupaman Рік тому +2

      It doesn't fit his MO, though. Holmes killed to protect himself from prosecution, largely due to his unending scheming to make a quick buck. The Ripper likely just looked for any opportunity to kill (or even could have actively hunted his victims). That's a major personality shift between those two criminals.

    • @gabagool2064
      @gabagool2064 Рік тому +1

      There is zero evidence Holmes was ever in London. 😂

  • @themorningstar347
    @themorningstar347 Рік тому

    I wish I had an endless supply of thought2 videos

  • @dredgendrake3149
    @dredgendrake3149 Рік тому +3

    You could tell he tried so hard not to say Netflix and kill instead of Netflix and dismemberment.
    Love the content as usual♡

  • @MrBeetsGaming
    @MrBeetsGaming Рік тому +3

    The newest dark pictures anthology game takes place in a replica of the murder castle.

  • @samovie2912
    @samovie2912 Рік тому +2

    The man was so scared his remains was gonna be dug up that he was buried in concrete… and then he got dug up anyways😂

  • @jbeach12078
    @jbeach12078 Рік тому

    at 1st, i had no desire to watch this video, i figured, another vid on holmes. it's going to be the same info, we heard dozens of times. im glad, i watched it. brand new info, thanks thoughty. i'll never doubt one of your vids again......

  • @Mythosthemighty
    @Mythosthemighty Рік тому +22

    This guy makes great content

  • @Skippers-Garage
    @Skippers-Garage Рік тому +5

    Yay another thoughty2 video!!! We all know this one will be a good one.

  • @jacobstevens9845
    @jacobstevens9845 Рік тому

    I gotta write a paper about this dude. I really needed this video

  • @BrashFink
    @BrashFink Рік тому +1

    I will also say... some of what you mention is slightly incorrect. While i agree the totals of 200 is grossly exaggerated, there are some amount of bodies found in the house that were unable to account for as to if they were older than the said property. Also the property was “mysteriously” burnt down to prevent it becoming a tourist attraction, thus ending any possibility or future investigation.

  • @donovankriasol
    @donovankriasol Рік тому +4

    Love from México Thoughty

  • @GunnarClovis
    @GunnarClovis Рік тому +4

    Man has the time to play Elden Ring but not 30 minutes to make breakfast. What a magnum gamer

  • @Devi_Shammuramat
    @Devi_Shammuramat Рік тому +2

    According to some documentaries, he was in London during the crimes of 'Jack the Ripper' [the true identity of which is yet to be 100% confirmed to this day]: hence regarded by some as a possible suspect.

  • @ColtonMyers1
    @ColtonMyers1 Рік тому

    You have such a thoroughly engaging and soothing voice. I could listen to you read a recipe on making a sandwich!

  • @AmIWhoIThinkIAm
    @AmIWhoIThinkIAm Рік тому +7

    I used Grammarly in college. I hated it then, I hate it even more now. English Grammar has a level where all the rules become circular and very opinionated, and that's where Grammarly continues to decline.

  • @ChickenPermissionOG
    @ChickenPermissionOG Рік тому +3

    I kill Cereal everyday.

  • @XiUNOiX120
    @XiUNOiX120 5 місяців тому

    With a house like that.
    Rent had to be High. Dude had bills to pay😂

  • @UKnowtheThing
    @UKnowtheThing 11 місяців тому +1

    I love that his neck didn't break right away and he swung on the rope for 20 minutes. Some good suffering time there.

  • @jamesshipley9164
    @jamesshipley9164 Рік тому +6

    Holmes was definitely a creepy bastard, but more of a con man who didn't mind offing people for profit or convenience than some of the more compulsive and sadistic examples out there. Off the top of my head, can't imagine an early killer more evil than Albert Fish. No contest there. And there are tons of examples in South America that likely hit on Holmes' falsely attributed body count. Holmes' murder castle does sound more like a horror movie plot than most though.

  • @charleestaples4192
    @charleestaples4192 Рік тому +3

    Great video 🙌

  • @Staceyatkinson4496
    @Staceyatkinson4496 Рік тому

    Love this blokes delivery

  • @BrightDancer
    @BrightDancer 8 місяців тому

    can you tell me the music that starts at 17min pls ? :) awesome video as always !

  • @Rngenius_
    @Rngenius_ Рік тому +13

    Fun Fact: When Holmes was building the "Murder Castle", he never hired the construction by big construction companies, fearing that they would have access to blueprints of his building and get increasingly more suspicious. Instead he hired common laborers, and switched them up every time he needed something else done. That is the whole reason the place was such a maze; every single piece of it was from a different puzzle, and only he knew how they fit together.

    • @nicholashodges201
      @nicholashodges201 Рік тому +1

      Not to mention he probably "indulged" in some of the workers. A few guys DID vanish while working on it.
      No way he could get away with that with a bigger firm.
      He also hired small enough operations they couldn't do anything other than quit when he stopped paying them.
      Dude wasn't evil, just terminally greedy. Everything he did was either for money or to cover his butt. He was still trying to make money with a book up to the day they put a rope around his neck

    • @chunkyMunky329
      @chunkyMunky329 Рік тому +8

      I don't know whether to trust your "fact". It seems to contradict what was said in the video

    • @HFRG-zq1qm
      @HFRG-zq1qm Рік тому +3

      There was no "Maze" of any kind. The place was built rather orderly. A half dozen or so storefronts, twice as many apartments. The reason he never hired big companies was because of costs. Every addition he put on the building actually spawned a new company though, the laborers got together after the work was done and kept selling their labors. And as to the blueprints, there was much in the construction (or rather lacking therein) that wasn't accurate to the prints because of corners being cut. Something else that you couldn't talk a bigger company into doing, and even if they did take shortcuts, there's never any convincing them to cut the costs for doing so.

    • @Rngenius_
      @Rngenius_ Рік тому +1

      @@HFRG-zq1qm I would absolutely love to continue this civil debate, but I have to ask a question first. Have you ever read the book "The Devil In The White City" by Erik Larson?

    • @HFRG-zq1qm
      @HFRG-zq1qm Рік тому +2

      @@Rngenius_ There is no debate. You are just very very wrong. It not only says contrary to your claim in the video, but on google as well.