I've ALLOWED a Story to change over time. And when Asked if it was True, I would say " It's THEIR Lie...Let them tell it the way they want". In two years time, a Knife disarming technique on ONE guy in ONE state changed to...Me being Attacked, in a Dark alley by TWO people with KNIVES ( plural ) and I KILLED both, in a place TWO States away. Gossip should be permitted ONLY by those whom receive a License to do so, with a Surety Bond and Various OTHER Insurances to cover THIER medical expenses. Are YOU listening ?... LADIES ?
Agreed had this happen twice in my life where I said wait let me not get revenge but let me see how this plays out. Both time the person burnt them selves out...
The Roman would slap a subordinate or someone of lesser status (slaves) with an open hand. Someone of equal status would be struck with the back of the hand. So if you are treated with contempt, turn the other check and force them to treat you as an equal
I was a weedy nerd when I was 14-15 years old. So was my best friend. One day in woodwork class a guy a year younger than us and built like a tank started giving my friend grief. I walked over and told this guy to pick on someone his own size. And he punched me in the arm and gave me a dead arm. He didn't know it but I couldn't even move my arm. I didn't flinch, I looked him dead in the eye and asked him if that was his best shot. He said nothing and walked away in a huff. I remember it to this day. I was so surprised by the whole thing, and especially his reaction.
I was in a pub with my mate play in pool.His name was Toby. A bunch of gypsies turned up and picked up on his name and came over and called him gay.We were both in the military. I tried to calm the situation. One gypsy guy hit me in the face.i didn't fall over but looked him in the face while having a pool que in my hand.there was about ten of them.The Landlord of the pub made us leave by the back door.But the look on the guys face when ii didn't go down was priceless.
One of the greatest things I had was, well twice. I got punched in the back of the head walking away from a confrontation. Turning around and seeing the look on the guys face when he sees you unscathed by the assualt is priceless. Its a cowards face looking back at you with fear
Dominic: You will be waiting for an eternity, if you are waiting for your God to take vengeance. For those who constructed this bible are the very same who murdered Jesus. If one does not take responsibility for their own actions, their inaction will get them killed.
1Infeqaul1 vengeance is none of our concern.JESUS forgave the men who crucified HIM (which is all of us),and we are to forgive any and all who harmed us. JESUS said ,”LOVE YOUR ENEMIES”.i am not waiting for vengeance,I am waiting to be with HIM !
@@savedbygrace8867 Is this what you believe your God wills you to do? Die like a lab rat with no courage, honor or instinct to survive? What would be the purpose of life then? Why do real humans even have an instinct to survive? Why do humans want to even live? So humans can just be slaughtered like farm animals? How is it possible to forgive the unforgiven? Why bother even teaching your children how to survive? if they just lay down and die? What kind of God do you worship? Satan? this is something evil would say. Does not your compassion feel the truth? or you just know some other man's words and are told to believe they are true? Experience is the only truth, what ever another says are only words.
1Infeqaul1 you either believe or you don’t. JESUS came to show HIS children the way home. JESUS said,”MY SHEEP WILL HEAR MY VOICE”,I’m blessed to be one of those sheep !
1Infeqaul1 you wanna talk about courage? JESUS did the most horrible death imaginable beat and scourged for almost a whole day,they even plucked his beard out,then they crucified HIM,and HE still found it in HIS heart to forgive them ! That my friend is a man!
I think it's his way to show off. Not a fan of this kind of language too, it makes everything look unprofessional... spoiling the value that his guests brought inn.
short clip, sure like to hear JP thoughts in depth on this...it goes much deeper than the reaction,,for anyone with an appreciable IQ that is...of course the base is essential, a show of all that is untouchable for the sovereign man, ,must precede the action..knowing that two sovereign men will never engage in such a manner, so the sovereign man has the opportunity to upgrade his standing as an extension of his foundation
That's well and good, seeing as the highest form of the art of war is not to fight your opponent and win every battle, the highest form of the art of war is to break the resistance of your opponent without fighting. However, if all you do is turn your cheek you get invaded, overrun and destroyed. This is because if there's two opposing factions where faction X is willing and able to use physical force to achieve its goals while faction Y refrains from using physical force to achieve its goals in all situations, then X will destroy Y.
0:36 "What ... does that mean exactly? ...not having enough courage to stand up for yourself, for example." I was told decades ago, that it means just the opposite. It means that you have the courage to stay in the fight, that you have the strength to withstand more attacks.
The turning the other cheek it's funny I was thinking about this pretty much last week end it's more about having patience watching things play through what they are but actually not being affected by if you really still affected by something then you're not doing it correctly you not you have to really dig deep down to who you want and see it for what is and this usually points out what's wrong with the other person and how you can learn from that and not be affected by that a really not affected not just saying you're not affected not just saying you're not bothered not just saying that actually not being affected being able to see the overall picture without being upset everything is just words everyone has their own opinion of everything and they should we're too emotional and we can handle things that are different from us and we have to learn how to I myself I've been bothered by this for years feeling that if I can agree with someone that I can't even be around them and that's not so we are all completely and entirely different there's also something that I was thinking about reference to the underworld in the case of Gilgamesh and enkidu to stay on your horse of what you need to do he was told to never turn around and that she would be there after he fought in hell the she represents what the person loves in this scenario the thing we love the most we must let go and he was told Nat turn around when leaving and that she would be there back from the underworld but he couldn't he couldn't resist and he had to turn around before you left and it ruined everything that he fought for I think that's the greatest example of turn the other cheek is that you up to stay steadfast in your illusion in understanding of your existence and no matter what happens you don't turn around that's the ultimate turning of the other cheek and that's the whole point that translates 2 having things happen naturally without interpreting or being affected by allowing it to organically unravel that's another example of it
Walter Wink’s interpretation of turn the other cheek seems the best to me, look it up! I believe the original specifies “if someone hits your right cheek turn to them your left cheek also.” Which is because servants would be backhanded with the master’s right hand. Turning your left cheek would force them to hit you with the palm of their hand, or back of their left hand, seeing you as an equal as opposed to being treated as less than human, which was shown by a backhand from the right hand. (The left hand was considered unclean, and gesturing with it would exclude you from certain meetings.) I believe Wink has interpretations for going the extra mile and giving away one’s cloak when getting sued, as well... Roman soldiers could force civilians to carry their packs one mile, but any further and the soldier would get in trouble. Soldiers would often abuse this power when unnecessary so by carrying their pack an extra mile they would be in danger of getting in trouble. And of someone sues you for your tunic let them have your cloak too... If someone was suing you for your tunic they are trying to take literally everything from you. So giving them your cloak as well would leave you naked. In their culture shame was on the person viewing the nudity, not on the nude themself, so these are all kinda examples of “be careful what you wish for,” with variants, but you get the idea. Forgive my details as I read this years ago, but definitely look it up! EDIT: www.cpt.org/files/BN%20-%20Jesus%27%20Third%20Way.pdf
The first two examples of how to react would be useful only when dealing with romans, right? So when telling the crowds "someone hits your cheek", it was how to deal with romans in a covert manner?
Florin Popa Yes, but the overarching lesson has to do with methods of “nonviolent retaliation.” How you can turn the tables on the aggressor without getting violent.
Thank you for this article on the Third Way by Walter Wink. Seen too much of the 'respectable' hierarchical church pushing witchcraft during service then using triangulation when you remind them what Deuteronomy and Revelation states about sorcery. They persecute, betray and steal from the fatherless, the oppressed and the spiritual widow: i.e. abusive controlling husbands forcing Godly wives to leave rather than said husband being enabled to abuse their child or them - but the targeted wife chosen for her vulnerability and meekness is vilified and outcast despite innocence. Abusive husbands are spiritually dead in the eyes of Jesus - dead man walking, plucked up at the roots seeking the praise of men, he who does not have the Son has never known the Father and there is no life in him. Yet the world hears and exalts them because they are of the world, they are of their father the d@vil who was a liar from the beginning. Still time to repent, everything that is hidden WILL be revealed. When you perceive not knowledge in them, depart from such a person. No contact. You don't leave a good man, nor a good vicar who was supposedly 'helping' you end of. Forgiven by the way, greatest lesson ever. Please turn, seek truth and escape fiery condemnation, Jesus loves you. God bless.
At the time, if you turned the cheek, you offered your attacker the opportunity to slap your other cheek. Them slapping both sides was making the statement that they considered you an equal and was a challenge to a duel. It was considered an insult if they only slapped the one side.
Wrong. The 'turn the other cheek' is because in the Roman Empire at that time, turning the other cheek meant that if they strike you again, no matter what your or their position, (ie peasant, soldier, governor etc.) you were legally allowed to attack/fight them.
Totally agree. There are times when you have to go out to meet, as it were, the opposition. Even when you know you're not going to change their mind. But also know when to stop or retreat without regret.
I've always seen this as being a stance of strength rather than a sign of weakness. After spending many years training and teaching martial arts I came to realize that breaking bodies in retaliation only increases the chance of cyclical and increased retaliation until one side or the other is dead or completely incapable of further retaliation. In terms of what Jesus taught it is simply, to me, a sign that you value love and God more than you relish victory. Unfortunately, Hollywood (movie industry in general) has glorified the hero retaliation scenario and that alone has created a bunch of Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris/Die Hard wannabees that are typically more likely to hurt themselves than achieve their goal.
I love your statement about love and God...I'm not a martial arts guy in the sense of trained in it but I love the idea of being prepared for battle. Getting slapped in the face for real or not takes alot of self control not to retaliate. And perhaps that is more powerful and forceful than the slap itself. Not to mention the other kinds of abuse won can tolerate from others from day to day. Love is a powerful weapon for good...and God definitely demonstrated that powerfully for His enemies. That is how my life changed...but sometimes I forget the message...thanks for the reminder. Shalom
@@JohnDavis-im1oy wow, you're just commenting everywhere to tell everyone how much of a hard ass you are, huh? The point being made is to choose your battles. If you attack someone and dont kill them, they are likely going to want revenge. Likewise, if they injure you in return, you'll be looking for payback, which then turns into a never ending cycle of "getting even" until somebody is dead or paralyzed. The moral of the story is control your temper and dont be a fuckin meathead...
It's important to understand a few things re: the middle east mind-set i.e. right hand versus left hand. The left hand is used for cleaning yourself in a certain area I won't get into here but, you understand? Lieu paper or TP is an invention that came along long after. Anyway, in that culture you didn't hit someone with your left hand not even an enemy. So, if you're facing someone and they hit your right cheek then in order to do that they had to backhand you. The cultural view towards honour would interpret such an act as more than being stricken but a declaration of superiority over the stricken person. To then offer the other or left check forces them to hit you open handed if they're going to again. This act makes it more on equal footing. So, basically it doesn't mean become a doormat to those that would exploit that but communicates, "okay, if we're going to do this, the terms have to be equal...here's the other cheek...here's a chance to stop this...what will it be?"
Someone physically attacking, even just by slapping at you, is trying to control you. By not allowing them to control you, you are forcing them back into self-control mode so they can reevaluate their choices and actions. That IS helping them.
I think being unaffected emotional is important energy wise to feed negitve energy and intention if unaffected one can harness this giving you more and more tool for preparation for the self. Understanding the illusion without hesitation constant struggle with our own fears and supperstions thr best way to understand is only use patience in their approuch . Most organic is to live in the now and let things go . We are one another so peace is the only true way. Understanding and to question even the things weve belived our whole lives . Turning the other cheek is not looking back its moving to a higher less primordial level of interaction and action . To accept pain or dissonance in ones own harmony but are able to channel what ever it not only help that person who they will live the rest of their life. Leading by example is also this. This already forgiven selfless additude towards aggression as well as how we deal with all situation to have constant revisions to perfect the self. Turning other cheek also means allowing your self to let go and refrain from any interference or interaction with the now and nature of what is natural without your participation in it. To be able to see these incodences as learning tools to see symbolic meanings behind these conflict driven encounters if you look closer with in the diffrence of reacting and not reacting theres spirtual similarities to the practice of inactivity. Or justation period of manifestation. This new form of presence is closer to a omniobjective stance in the face of a change or conflict . To see all sides and honor the moment while bareing witness to it without demonstrating any emotional reaction or bias of attachment
It's not about the reaction you get. I think it's moreso about showing love even if the other person doesn't understand. You have to have faith there is a kingdom of God and that this realm is not the only place
I someone backhands/bitch slaps someone as if they were an inferior or a slave, then urning the other check means if you do that again it is on you. Plus the instigator lost te inititive and you have an idea were the next atack is coming from.
Turn the other cheek meant to make them slap you like an equal, not with a backhand like a slave. It's about forcing equality and not standing down. But jordan hit on something in the beginning, about it revealing something.
It means what it says...but since People are dwelling with Demons of Fear of Mockery, Fear of Humiliation, fear of Rejection and so on... If you abide trully in Christ you Will have pleasure in Insults and being hated... Apostle Paul Said that..
I agree there's times to stay quiet and listen. I find that if let let people run on at the mouth, they eventually reveal truths about themselves that they probably wished stayed hidden.
I believe Steven is the perfect example on why turning the other cheek is a good thing, instead on asking for vengeance to God. He prayed for Saul conversion, he fought evil with good.
I always thought "turn the other cheek" was terrible advice, and steered me away from Christianity. Bullies don't necessarily pick on the smallest/weakest person, they pick on the person who doesn't fight back. Even if it's something small like a slap on a cheek, if you don't react they're just going to do it again and it might even get worse. If you fight back EVERY TIME someone does something to you, then even if you lose the fight they will eventually stop. Bullies want a target that's easy, low effort and fun. They don't want to have to fight every time.
I think what Jesus means by turning the other cheek is to act to act stoically prudently. To not let slight insults ruin you. To not engage in petty, vengeance retaliatory acts. But I definitely don’t think it’s a call to pacifism and to let people walk all over you.
To me it's stand firm in your beliefs, when evil is trying to turn you stand firm. As fast as self defense we already have a system for that eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth blood for blood flesh for flesh.
Jesus said several things about "not fighting evil with evil." Then he said, "Rather return GOOD for evil." Most people believe the Hollywood lies about vengeance and returning tit for tat. Are there any good examples of people who followed Jesus' advice? YES.... there is Martin Luther King, Gandhi, George W. Carver, and Jackie Robinson the baseball player. ALL OF THOSE MEN won their battles! My own mother demonstrated that philosophy to me when I was a small boy in middle school. Her boss had been mean to her over something trivial, but my mom was angry. So she searched the Bible for answers of what to do. (at the time, I thought she was CRAZY. I was an Atheist). She found those verses and decided to bake a big batch of chocolate chip cookies for the boss. I will never forget the sight of my mother crying as she removed the cookies from the oven. The next day, after school, I asked mom what happened at work after she gave him the cookies? She said, "Mr Miller didn't know what to say or do. He just shuffled around a little and said he was leaving for a while." He had to get away from my mothers kindness! Mom said it felt like when you SWAT A FLY.... and he lands on the ground buzzing in a circle. Since that time, 50 years ago, I have practiced that on bosses who were hateful. One boss was SCREAMING at several workers over a piece of paper someone put in the wrong trash can. While he was yelling, I calmly walked over to him and offered him a piece of gum!!! This had the exact same result. He said, "NO, I don't want any gum! I'm leaving now so you can all talk about me!" and he walked away. The Bible also says... "There is a "way" which seems right to a man, but that path leads to death." That is the path of vengeance and anger and hate! The path of LIFE is LOVE.
Turn the cheek, if it happens again it was no accident, then go old school. Eye for an eye! Make damn sure they know its not worth it to do again! ( starters, main course with side salad , and a pudding!)
Biblical reference, yes. But through context, its a Malcolm X quote. Quick to jump on the "hater train" aren't you! And by your comment I can gather that you have many underlying issues! So sit on my couch and tell... You Thick, illiterate, inbred , piece of shit
1st of it say this to a ..BROTHER IN CHRIST ..NOT EVERYONE ELSE ..ITS A DIRECTIVE TO HIS AND HIS ALONE ..EVERYONE ELSE SHALL FEEL HIS N MY WRATH ..AS IT SHOULD BE
NO. turn the other cheek is a mistranslation. it means turn and look within, which means look at your own possible role of responsibility in what has just occurred. (in other words, consider the possible (-- for lack of a better term -- )KARMA of the situation) read Rudolf Steiner for more insight. Most "Christians" will balk at this mentioning of karma...but they are simply misinformed.
A hits B on the cheek. B thinks that turning the other cheek is idiotic so B hits back. A also thinks that turning the other cheek is stupid so A hits back. And the cycle continues. If it starts to escalate then it's a spiral and eventually one or both will die. Now how smart or moral is that? If one needs an argument outside Christianity then consider SunTzu's Art of War which makes a point out of aiming for the best outcome. Saying that turning the other cheek is about letting others treat you as a doormat is just a strawman and shallow thinking. And circular reasoning too as the only way to get that conclusion out of what Jesus is said to have said is to assume something which presupposes that he meant exactly that. Again not very smart
The bible has all the answers you could ever need: Some wrongs you - eye for an eye, justice, vengeance. You wrong someone - turn the other cheek, forgiveness, mercy.
There is a social enemy and there is an asocial enemy. Turn the other cheek apply more to social altercations, or arguments... It surely wont apply to people who are trying to kill you... People who are psychopaths, or who are under the influence of drugs... There will be no seeking peace with people like these.
Obviously Dr. Peterson is a very bright and honest man, but his restating what the New Testament "really" means merely serves to make him look more like an apologist for Christianity than an objective scholar. If he's a Christian believer, fine, but out of self-respect and respect for his audience he should be diligently announcing, before telling us what the New Testament "really" means, that his Christianity affiliation likely makes him biased in favor of that religion. To billions of non-Christians, either Christianity is a slave's religion or it is the slave-masters' religion, and what the New Testament 'really' means reflects the attitudes and thinking of how to survive when you are a brutalized, conquered, enslaved people such as the pre-Christian Jews under hundreds of years of Roman subjugation and extermination. The message of the New Testament comes AFTER the invincible Roman legions mass-slaughtered Corinth in the conquest of Greece and a century later mass-slaughtered Jerusalem in the conquest of Judea. 'Turn the other cheek' is the advice of a pessimistic slave, wanting to survive as an abject slave rather than be butchered as a freedom-fighting Jewish Zealot.
Don Kirk but Kirk, he seems to have no qualms whatsoever in defending the Bible, because bible according to him is the universal archetype/narrative that humans must play out to find meaning/peace in their lives. Defending the Bible does in now way reduce his stature as an independent scholar.
Don Kirk Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, also taught "turn the other cheek". He was a prince who renounced everything he had, not a slave. Neither were the early buddhists slaves. So the "slave-religion" explanation of "turn the other cheek" doesn't work for Buddha. Is it possible there really are true exemplars of peace, not merely scared slaves?
No-one needs to 'apologise' for Christianity! What are you talking about?! Hopefully you will grow out of the phase you are in, as many other young men are doing. This is real wisdom. The tricksters like Sam Harris are panicking because people are outgrowing his silly, childish attacks on Christians and his nihilism and discovering REAL LIFE.
How does a pessimistic slave answer a Roman governor the way Jesus answered Pilate when questioned under the crime of sedition which carries a death sentence if he’s just angling for survival?
In my world, if you get disrespected you show the other one who the real boss is. You unfold Physical violence until the other person first fears you, then respects and admires you and becomes your slave.
If you can respond effectively to an attack and disarm your foes, you are strong; but if you can get them to give up the fight and align themselves all the way behind you, you are stronger still. Making a friend out of an enemy: that's victory pushed to its limit.
It represents defiance. there are multiple factors just in that small passage. One easy one is we are not to react in the flesh to someone who is PERSECUTING you(not about self defense or defending another). Not to retaliate violence for violence. We have to ask ourselves, why are we doing it? for our own pride/self? A big factor we don't understand is the term "right" cheek. There is a reason for that. Yahshua lived in a right handed world where left hands were reserved only for unclean tasks. Therefore, one can assume that the person doing the hitting would have used their right hand. The only way to strike someone on the right cheek with the right hand is a backhanded slap. Such a blow connotes an insult, not a fistfight, and was a normal way to reprimand someone over whom you had power(masters to slaves, husbands to wives, Romans to Jews). To strike your equal in such a manner was socially and legally unacceptable, carrying with a huge fine. Understanding this Yahshua was speaking in, picture the scenario to them as the oppressor. You, A wealthy man of power backhands or reprimands your slave you expect the slave to cower, submit, slink away. Instead, your slave "defiantly" turns their other cheek and challenges you to hit them again. What do you do as the wealthy man? Most likely you would give your slave another backhanded slap to show them their place, but, to do that you would have to use your left hand which would admit that your action is unclean. You could hit them on thier left cheek, instead, but it would be embarrassing to hit your slave the way you should hit your equal. What do they do with a defiant ' slave like that then? Well, you could order them to be flogged, but, the slave has made their point. They have shown you that they are a human being with dignity and worth. You don't own them, you cannot control them, and they do not submit to your rule. Yahshua's instruction not to resist evil and to turn the other cheek transforms from an instruction to accept injustice into a challenge to resist systems of domination and oppression without the use of violence. Rather than ignoring evil and hoping it will just go away, Yahshua is telling His followers to find creative, ACTIVE, and nonviolent ways to assert their humanity and God's love . In Acts 23:3 Paul warned his abuser of judgment and retribution Yahshua rebukes the guard who struck Him How can it be right to just turn the other cheek with passive indifference when the sacred is traded for sacrilege? When truth is traded for lies? When beauty is traded for perversion? When open handed charity is traded for the heavy hand of the state? When Christs Bride, is being assaulted? We are to defend the vulnerable, resisting wickedness ourselves when doing so. Exodus 22:2,3 If the thief is caught while breaking in, and is struck so that he dies, there will be no bloodguiltiness on his account. But if the sun has risen on him, there will be bloodguiltiness on his account. Yahweh's law clearly provides for self defense, our Savior was also, Mat24:43 and Luke 11:21. The better armed we are, the less likely someone will steal from us or harm us or our families. Yahshua commanded His disciples to purchase weapons: luke 22:36 Each of us has a natural right from God to defend his person, his liberty and his property. These are 3 basic requirements of life, 1 Tim 5:8 so after providing for his family's spiritual safety, A Christian man's next priority should be providing for his family's physical protection. Food, clothing, and shelter are of little benefit if you are unprepared or unwilling to defend your family against thieves, rapists, and murderers. It is not unchristian to practice self-defense- it is unchristian if you do NOT. excerpt from Bible Law vs the United States Constitution, Ted R. Weiland pg 50. It is imperative we understand the authority to arm ourselves comes from Yahweh Himself. BC of the church we have allowed ourselves to become passive and spineless, teaching us lies on Romans 13 about submitting to the gov't. Yahweh's law reigns supreme, we gave it up for the tyranny of the state, the Constitution, sadly If you would like to know more, there are many questions answered at www.bibleversusconstitution.org/tapelist.html#T1006
I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson and I like what he says here. However, this isn't what turning the other cheek means. It is an act of defiance. It was customary in Roman times to backhand an inferior. By turning the other cheek you keep it from happening again. Instead the person would have to hit the other cheek that is exposed with their fist which is a sign of equality. If they were to strike again it would have to be done as one fights an equal.
@@horrificpleasantry9474 So I haven't personally explored any commentaries on the specific passage mostly because I've had two new testament professors and 1 philosophy professor either state or agree with what I wrote. Could you provide the source your pulling from demonstrating what I said wasn't historically accurate?
Yeshua was being sarcastic! Roman's were the ones striking Israelites. If a superior officer saw it they got into a lot of trouble. Walking 2 miles and not just 1 mile was also a tactic. A Roman soldier could make a local carry their stuff for Only one mile, so if they got caught overly abusing the citizens carrying burden for 2 miles...again in trouble. Ignorance is not bliss.
There’s an amazing scene in the Miyazaki film, Princess Mononoke, where San angrily stabs Ashitaka in the chest with the dagger he had given her. And... And he’s strong enough to take it. It is unfair. He doesn’t deserve what she inflicts on him. But her feelings are overwhelming and he’s willing to live through that pain without seeking revenge or even justice. And she realizes how unjust she has been as soon as the blade hits him. How much pain she can cause when she’s in pain. I think “turn the other cheek” means “try and see bigger than your immediate pain.”
Don’t take it out of context. It’s an act of aggression. Turn the other cheek is going the distance, the extra mile, follow all rules completely. Take all the chapters together.
There is a great article by Mr. Wink "Third way of Jesus". It explains historical context of biblical expressions like "turn the other cheek", "go an extra mile" or other. Those were advises given to the people from the bottom to - by using regulations of opresiv legal system of that times - stand for themselves and to challenge oppressors.
"Turning the other cheek is not an attitude of weakness but of strength. It takes fortitude and self-control to resist the urge to strike back. When we turn the other cheek, we don’t fearfully run away from the person who strikes us but face them confidently, without anger, making it apparent that we can tolerate the pain and that we are not afraid of them doing it again. This usually elicits respect from the other person, often causing them to feel remorse and even to offer a sincere apology. Many people are afraid that this moral principle means that we need to let people injure or kill us without resistance. They will say things like, “The Jews ‘turned the other cheek’ during World War II and as a result six million of them were killed.” According to the New Testament, Jesus did, indeed, allow himself to undergo a slow and excruciatingly painful death at the hands of his sadistic Roman tormentors while asking God to forgive them. In this manner he demonstrated his limitless love for everyone. However, he did not instruct ordinary mortals to passively allow themselves and their loved ones to be slaughtered at the hands of evil men. He did not say, “If someone kills your wife, let them kill your children, too.” His instruction was specifically regarding a slap to the cheek. A slap is not meant to injure or kill us but to humiliate us or provoke us into a fight. If we slap them back, they will probably hit us even harder, leading to escalating violence. If they are more powerful than us, they may seriously harm or kill us. If they are officers of the law or soldiers, they will feel justified arresting or shooting us. However, if we face them without retaliating, their aggression is likely to be defused. The tactic of ‘turning the other cheek’ can work only if the other person has the capacity for conscience. It will not work when sadistic, crazed or hate-filled people are actually intent on injuring or killing us regardless of our behavior. Furthermore, when people slap us, most frequently it’s because they are angry with us. This means they feel that we hurt them in some way--that they are our victims." The source: www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/resilience-bullying/201205/principle-number-six-turn-the-other-cheek
Jesus stood for justice. He did Not want us to just take abuse but not to inflect evil with evil. But perhaps Jesus meant for us to use creative ways of exposing injustice and dealing with injustice? Turning the other cheek also gives you the power and takes it away from the enemy . Copied this from a study: "Jesus lived in a right-handed world where left hands were reserved only for unclean tasks. Therefore, we can assume that the person doing the hitting would have used their right hand. The only way to strike someone on the right cheek with your right hand is a backhanded slap. Such a blow connotes an insult, not a fistfight, and was a normal way to reprimand someone over whom you had power (e.g. masters to slaves, husbands to wives, Romans to Jews). To strike your equal in such a manner was socially and legally unacceptable, carrying with it a huge fine." -Leah Watkiss
“ How must we deal with force Master ? “ Kwai chai Cain “ Since it is better to know peace and quiet over victory, ........then it’s simple : Run away ! “. Master Tae. It’s much easier to turn the other cheek when you know you can whip your opponents ass though ! And isn’t that the point : If people KNOW you can fight back but choose NOT to, they respect you for it. But, a man that can’t fight back only brings shame upon himself and his family if he keeps offering his cheeks to be abused by an aggressor.
There is a story: I decided to start believing in God when I was 12 years old thanks to my teacher. I had a conflict with the boys in my parallel class because I countered their behavior and style when they hurt the weak. I decided to completely follow what religion said and prayed that God would teach me and tell me. I listened to myself and then decided to "turn the other cheek" and endured so long that I learned to be afraid. How does "turn the other cheek" mean, according to the video, "I won't let you hit me again"? Is there even an argument to be made that this is not screaming nonsense? I prayed to God and cried, I was having a hard time, but no one came to me with advice. Six months later I became a cynical nihilist for many years of my adolescence. It was an evil place in the ghetto, the boys in second grade talking prison slang. No one explained anything to me. I don't see God in this situation. What I found in this story is that I lie to myself about my past in a way.
Jordan Peterson should study biblical history. In the time of Jesus this was a double effective response: 1) it was insulting to turn your left cheek on a person and 2) somebody is not able to slap you hard on the other cheek with the same hand. Bobby Schuller explained in one of his preaches that he learned that from his Theology study.
Turn the other cheek means when someone strikes you, do not immediately respond with anger. When you are hit, you are in a moment of decision. In this moment of decision, you can respond any way you want. There are an infinite number of responses available to you. Jesus suggested to his followers that in this moment of decision, when someone hurts you, consider kindness as a choice. You don’t have to respond in kind. You don’t have to meet violence with violence. Consider giving the attacker love, not anger. Peace, not war. Kindness, not cruelty. Its your decision how to respond. You can pour oil on the water. You can turn the other cheek. Or, you can seek an eye for an eye.
Turning the other cheek in Jesus' time and cultural context means something completely different than how modern interpretations are applied. Context is everything.
Disparage selfishness and you aid the collectivists. It is in no one's interest to harm others. That isn't selfish. As Peterson just said, peace is victory, peace is sensible. His endless contradictions will defeat him and any who follow him.
A false accusation says more about the accuser than the accused.
But only to those with ears to hear. And generally people wait for the accused to respond before thinking much about it.
I've ALLOWED a Story to change over time. And when Asked if it was True, I would say " It's THEIR Lie...Let them tell it the way they want".
In two years time, a Knife disarming technique on ONE guy in ONE state changed to...Me being Attacked, in a Dark alley by TWO people with KNIVES ( plural ) and I KILLED both, in a place TWO States away.
Gossip should be permitted ONLY by those whom receive a License to do so, with a Surety Bond and Various OTHER Insurances to cover THIER medical expenses.
Are YOU listening ?... LADIES ?
A lot more
Agreed had this happen twice in my life where I said wait let me not get revenge but let me see how this plays out. Both time the person burnt them selves out...
When others accuse you of crimes, Listen. they are telling you what they are doing. i have seen this happen several times.
like radical leftism-call them for what you are
The Roman would slap a subordinate or someone of lesser status (slaves) with an open hand. Someone of equal status would be struck with the back of the hand.
So if you are treated with contempt, turn the other check and force them to treat you as an equal
You beat me too it, no pun intended ;-)
You interpreted scripture correctly. Something that a lot of pastors and ministers dont often do.
How would you go about doing that?
I was a weedy nerd when I was 14-15 years old. So was my best friend. One day in woodwork class a guy a year younger than us and built like a tank started giving my friend grief. I walked over and told this guy to pick on someone his own size. And he punched me in the arm and gave me a dead arm. He didn't know it but I couldn't even move my arm. I didn't flinch, I looked him dead in the eye and asked him if that was his best shot. He said nothing and walked away in a huff. I remember it to this day. I was so surprised by the whole thing, and especially his reaction.
Mental strength more valuable
Often, accusations are actually confessions.
I’m going to remember this for the next time I’m accused of anything. Thank you. Much like Shakespeare saying suspicion resides in the guilty mind.
Did you fart?
Mr. Peterson is one of the great minds of modern times! I don’t agree with everything he says but I do on most!
troym33 Do you have any examples?
Knockout I don’t agree that we behave the way that we do because we descend from crabs.
Turning the other cheek forces the striker to see you as a human being. Very powerful
wooow brilliant! I finally get what it means! I have a feeling my day will be wonderful!
I feel like some Mountain Valley Mineral Spring Water...I have no idea why...
Sometimes you set things right by cleaning the Temple, sometimes you turn the other cheek...let wisdom guide
I was in a pub with my mate play in pool.His name was Toby. A bunch of gypsies turned up and picked up on his name and came over and called him gay.We were both in the military. I tried to calm the situation. One gypsy guy hit me in the face.i didn't fall over but looked him in the face while having a pool que in my hand.there was about ten of them.The Landlord of the pub made us leave by the back door.But the look on the guys face when ii didn't go down was priceless.
One of the greatest things I had was, well twice. I got punched in the back of the head walking away from a confrontation. Turning around and seeing the look on the guys face when he sees you unscathed by the assualt is priceless. Its a cowards face looking back at you with fear
It’s better to seek peace than victory♥️👌🏻
Cut to the chase ,”VENGEANCE IS MINE SAYETH THE LORD”
Dominic: You will be waiting for an eternity, if you are waiting for your God to take vengeance. For those who constructed this bible are the very same who murdered Jesus. If one does not take responsibility for their own actions, their inaction will get them killed.
1Infeqaul1 vengeance is none of our concern.JESUS forgave the men who crucified HIM (which is all of us),and we are to forgive any and all who harmed us.
JESUS said ,”LOVE YOUR ENEMIES”.i am not waiting for vengeance,I am waiting to be with HIM !
@@savedbygrace8867 Is this what you believe your God wills you to do? Die like a lab rat with no courage, honor or instinct to survive? What would be the purpose of life then? Why do real humans even have an instinct to survive? Why do humans want to even live? So humans can just be slaughtered like farm animals? How is it possible to forgive the unforgiven? Why bother even teaching your children how to survive? if they just lay down and die? What kind of God do you worship? Satan? this is something evil would say. Does not your compassion feel the truth? or you just know some other man's words and are told to believe they are true? Experience is the only truth, what ever another says are only words.
1Infeqaul1 you either believe or you don’t.
JESUS came to show HIS children the way home.
JESUS said,”MY SHEEP WILL HEAR MY VOICE”,I’m blessed to be one of those sheep !
1Infeqaul1 you wanna talk about courage?
JESUS did the most horrible death imaginable beat and scourged for almost a whole day,they even plucked his beard out,then they crucified HIM,and HE still found it in HIS heart to forgive them !
That my friend is a man!
What was the point of the foul language by the interviewer?
What's the point of asking people who have nothing to do with the interviewer?
I think it's his way to show off. Not a fan of this kind of language too, it makes everything look unprofessional... spoiling the value that his guests brought inn.
short clip, sure like to hear JP thoughts in depth on this...it goes much deeper than the reaction,,for anyone with an appreciable IQ that is...of course the base is essential, a show of all that is untouchable for the sovereign man, ,must precede the action..knowing that two sovereign men will never engage in such a manner, so the sovereign man has the opportunity to upgrade his standing as an extension of his foundation
Slapping the other cheek forces the perpetrator to open body parallel to victim’s making both of equal status.
Remarkable person Mr Peterson.
Man, I needed some JP tonight.
Can't wait to see this re-uploaded as "Jordan Peterson SCHOOLS SJWs on turning the other cheek"
Damn!!!! So bloody wise !
EXCELLENT.
"Fight for the good, not against the bad"
I wish the Democrats would internalize that message.
I like all Jordan’s videos before even watching them
I used to think of this sentence as "You're showing how submissive you are" but you're not, you're showing how much you can take. That's intimidating.
That's well and good, seeing as the highest form of the art of war is not to fight your opponent and win every battle, the highest form of the art of war is to break the resistance of your opponent without fighting. However, if all you do is turn your cheek you get invaded, overrun and destroyed. This is because if there's two opposing factions where faction X is willing and able to use physical force to achieve its goals while faction Y refrains from using physical force to achieve its goals in all situations, then X will destroy Y.
0:36 "What ... does that mean exactly? ...not having enough courage to stand up for yourself, for example." I was told decades ago, that it means just the opposite. It means that you have the courage to stay in the fight, that you have the strength to withstand more attacks.
The turning the other cheek it's funny I was thinking about this pretty much last week end it's more about having patience watching things play through what they are but actually not being affected by if you really still affected by something then you're not doing it correctly you not you have to really dig deep down to who you want and see it for what is and this usually points out what's wrong with the other person and how you can learn from that and not be affected by that a really not affected not just saying you're not affected not just saying you're not bothered not just saying that actually not being affected being able to see the overall picture without being upset everything is just words everyone has their own opinion of everything and they should we're too emotional and we can handle things that are different from us and we have to learn how to I myself I've been bothered by this for years feeling that if I can agree with someone that I can't even be around them and that's not so we are all completely and entirely different there's also something that I was thinking about reference to the underworld in the case of Gilgamesh and enkidu to stay on your horse of what you need to do he was told to never turn around and that she would be there after he fought in hell the she represents what the person loves in this scenario the thing we love the most we must let go and he was told Nat turn around when leaving and that she would be there back from the underworld but he couldn't he couldn't resist and he had to turn around before you left and it ruined everything that he fought for I think that's the greatest example of turn the other cheek is that you up to stay steadfast in your illusion in understanding of your existence and no matter what happens you don't turn around that's the ultimate turning of the other cheek and that's the whole point that translates 2 having things happen naturally without interpreting or being affected by allowing it to organically unravel that's another example of it
A smite on the cheek is symbolically not a death blow. Do not childishly get even for small offenses.
Walter Wink’s interpretation of turn the other cheek seems the best to me, look it up! I believe the original specifies “if someone hits your right cheek turn to them your left cheek also.” Which is because servants would be backhanded with the master’s right hand. Turning your left cheek would force them to hit you with the palm of their hand, or back of their left hand, seeing you as an equal as opposed to being treated as less than human, which was shown by a backhand from the right hand. (The left hand was considered unclean, and gesturing with it would exclude you from certain meetings.) I believe Wink has interpretations for going the extra mile and giving away one’s cloak when getting sued, as well... Roman soldiers could force civilians to carry their packs one mile, but any further and the soldier would get in trouble. Soldiers would often abuse this power when unnecessary so by carrying their pack an extra mile they would be in danger of getting in trouble. And of someone sues you for your tunic let them have your cloak too... If someone was suing you for your tunic they are trying to take literally everything from you. So giving them your cloak as well would leave you naked. In their culture shame was on the person viewing the nudity, not on the nude themself, so these are all kinda examples of “be careful what you wish for,” with variants, but you get the idea. Forgive my details as I read this years ago, but definitely look it up!
EDIT: www.cpt.org/files/BN%20-%20Jesus%27%20Third%20Way.pdf
The first two examples of how to react would be useful only when dealing with romans, right? So when telling the crowds "someone hits your cheek", it was how to deal with romans in a covert manner?
Florin Popa Yes, but the overarching lesson has to do with methods of “nonviolent retaliation.” How you can turn the tables on the aggressor without getting violent.
Thank you for this article on the Third Way by Walter Wink. Seen too much of the 'respectable' hierarchical church pushing witchcraft during service then using triangulation when you remind them what Deuteronomy and Revelation states about sorcery. They persecute, betray and steal from the fatherless, the oppressed and the spiritual widow: i.e. abusive controlling husbands forcing Godly wives to leave rather than said husband being enabled to abuse their child or them - but the targeted wife chosen for her vulnerability and meekness is vilified and outcast despite innocence. Abusive husbands are spiritually dead in the eyes of Jesus - dead man walking, plucked up at the roots seeking the praise of men, he who does not have the Son has never known the Father and there is no life in him.
Yet the world hears and exalts them because they are of the world, they are of their father the d@vil who was a liar from the beginning. Still time to repent, everything that is hidden WILL be revealed. When you perceive not knowledge in them, depart from such a person. No contact. You don't leave a good man, nor a good vicar who was supposedly 'helping' you end of. Forgiven by the way, greatest lesson ever. Please turn, seek truth and escape fiery condemnation, Jesus loves you. God bless.
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At the time, if you turned the cheek, you offered your attacker the opportunity to slap your other cheek. Them slapping both sides was making the statement that they considered you an equal and was a challenge to a duel. It was considered an insult if they only slapped the one side.
Wrong. The 'turn the other cheek' is because in the Roman Empire at that time, turning the other cheek meant that if they strike you again, no matter what your or their position, (ie peasant, soldier, governor etc.) you were legally allowed to attack/fight them.
Totally agree. There are times when you have to go out to meet, as it were, the opposition. Even when you know you're not going to change their mind. But also know when to stop or retreat without regret.
I've always seen this as being a stance of strength rather than a sign of weakness. After spending many years training and teaching martial arts I came to realize that breaking bodies in retaliation only increases the chance of cyclical and increased retaliation until one side or the other is dead or completely incapable of further retaliation.
In terms of what Jesus taught it is simply, to me, a sign that you value love and God more than you relish victory. Unfortunately, Hollywood (movie industry in general) has glorified the hero retaliation scenario and that alone has created a bunch of Bruce Lee/Chuck Norris/Die Hard wannabees that are typically more likely to hurt themselves than achieve their goal.
I love your statement about love and God...I'm not a martial arts guy in the sense of trained in it but I love the idea of being prepared for battle. Getting slapped in the face for real or not takes alot of self control not to retaliate. And perhaps that is more powerful and forceful than the slap itself. Not to mention the other kinds of abuse won can tolerate from others from day to day. Love is a powerful weapon for good...and God definitely demonstrated that powerfully for His enemies. That is how my life changed...but sometimes I forget the message...thanks for the reminder. Shalom
@@JohnDavis-im1oy wow, you're just commenting everywhere to tell everyone how much of a hard ass you are, huh?
The point being made is to choose your battles. If you attack someone and dont kill them, they are likely going to want revenge. Likewise, if they injure you in return, you'll be looking for payback, which then turns into a never ending cycle of "getting even" until somebody is dead or paralyzed.
The moral of the story is control your temper and dont be a fuckin meathead...
It's important to understand a few things re: the middle east mind-set i.e. right hand versus left hand. The left hand is used for cleaning yourself in a certain area I won't get into here but, you understand? Lieu paper or TP is an invention that came along long after. Anyway, in that culture you didn't hit someone with your left hand not even an enemy. So, if you're facing someone and they hit your right cheek then in order to do that they had to backhand you. The cultural view towards honour would interpret such an act as more than being stricken but a declaration of superiority over the stricken person. To then offer the other or left check forces them to hit you open handed if they're going to again. This act makes it more on equal footing.
So, basically it doesn't mean become a doormat to those that would exploit that but communicates, "okay, if we're going to do this, the terms have to be equal...here's the other cheek...here's a chance to stop this...what will it be?"
If you don't help the person stop their bad behavior, then aren't you negligent of aiding their spiritual growth.
Someone physically attacking, even just by slapping at you, is trying to control you. By not allowing them to control you, you are forcing them back into self-control mode so they can reevaluate their choices and actions.
That IS helping them.
I think being unaffected emotional is important energy wise to feed negitve energy and intention if unaffected one can harness this giving you more and more tool for preparation for the self. Understanding the illusion without hesitation constant struggle with our own fears and supperstions thr best way to understand is only use patience in their approuch . Most organic is to live in the now and let things go . We are one another so peace is the only true way. Understanding and to question even the things weve belived our whole lives . Turning the other cheek is not looking back its moving to a higher less primordial level of interaction and action . To accept pain or dissonance in ones own harmony but are able to channel what ever it not only help that person who they will live the rest of their life. Leading by example is also this. This already forgiven selfless additude towards aggression as well as how we deal with all situation to have constant revisions to perfect the self. Turning other cheek also means allowing your self to let go and refrain from any interference or interaction with the now and nature of what is natural without your participation in it.
To be able to see these incodences as learning tools to see symbolic meanings behind these conflict driven encounters if you look closer with in the diffrence of reacting and not reacting theres spirtual similarities to the practice of inactivity.
Or justation period of manifestation. This new form of presence is closer to a omniobjective stance in the face of a change or conflict . To see all sides and honor the moment while bareing witness to it without demonstrating any emotional reaction or bias of attachment
A problem with modern society is that people just don't drink wine from the skulls of their defeated enemies anymore.
It's not about the reaction you get. I think it's moreso about showing love even if the other person doesn't understand. You have to have faith there is a kingdom of God and that this realm is not the only place
I someone backhands/bitch slaps someone as if they were an inferior or a slave, then urning the other check means if you do that again it is on you. Plus the instigator lost te inititive and you have an idea were the next atack is coming from.
Turn the other cheek meant to make them slap you like an equal, not with a backhand like a slave. It's about forcing equality and not standing down. But jordan hit on something in the beginning, about it revealing something.
furning the other cheek means making the offense,ridicolous in its excess
It means what it says...but since People are dwelling with Demons of Fear of Mockery, Fear of Humiliation, fear of Rejection and so on... If you abide trully in Christ you Will have pleasure in Insults and being hated...
Apostle Paul Said that..
Whole conversation?
The description doesn't say who is who?
Also, don't make turning the other cheek into an ego trip.
4:03 "...enlightened individualism..." So Jordan Peterson agrees with Ayn Rand after all.
Done. Did that already.
I agree there's times to stay quiet and listen. I find that if let let people run on at the mouth, they eventually reveal truths about themselves that they probably wished stayed hidden.
I believe Steven is the perfect example on why turning the other cheek is a good thing, instead on asking for vengeance to God. He prayed for Saul conversion, he fought evil with good.
Vengeance belongs to who?
The Lord
I always thought "turn the other cheek" was terrible advice, and steered me away from Christianity. Bullies don't necessarily pick on the smallest/weakest person, they pick on the person who doesn't fight back. Even if it's something small like a slap on a cheek, if you don't react they're just going to do it again and it might even get worse.
If you fight back EVERY TIME someone does something to you, then even if you lose the fight they will eventually stop. Bullies want a target that's easy, low effort and fun. They don't want to have to fight every time.
No matter what turn the other cheek means to me, I will defend myself regardless.
It means what it says. Jesus is about forgiveness and realizing we all make mistakes.
I think what Jesus means by turning the other cheek is to act to act stoically prudently. To not let slight insults ruin you. To not engage in petty, vengeance retaliatory acts. But I definitely don’t think it’s a call to pacifism and to let people walk all over you.
I do not know of any other man who would take Bible so seriously yet is not a born again Christian.
"It isn't that I wish them defeat, because I don't. I wish that we would actually have a real conversation." Growth and truth come from love.
To me it's stand firm in your beliefs, when evil is trying to turn you stand firm.
As fast as self defense we already have a system for that eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth blood for blood flesh for flesh.
Jordan Peterson, Jesus loves you!
Jesus said several things about "not fighting evil with evil." Then he said, "Rather return GOOD for evil." Most people believe the Hollywood lies about vengeance and returning tit for tat. Are there any good examples of people who followed Jesus' advice? YES.... there is Martin Luther King, Gandhi, George W. Carver, and Jackie Robinson the baseball player. ALL OF THOSE MEN won their battles! My own mother demonstrated that philosophy to me when I was a small boy in middle school. Her boss had been mean to her over something trivial, but my mom was angry. So she searched the Bible for answers of what to do. (at the time, I thought she was CRAZY. I was an Atheist). She found those verses and decided to bake a big batch of chocolate chip cookies for the boss. I will never forget the sight of my mother crying as she removed the cookies from the oven. The next day, after school, I asked mom what happened at work after she gave him the cookies? She said, "Mr Miller didn't know what to say or do. He just shuffled around a little and said he was leaving for a while." He had to get away from my mothers kindness! Mom said it felt like when you SWAT A FLY.... and he lands on the ground buzzing in a circle. Since that time, 50 years ago, I have practiced that on bosses who were hateful. One boss was SCREAMING at several workers over a piece of paper someone put in the wrong trash can. While he was yelling, I calmly walked over to him and offered him a piece of gum!!! This had the exact same result. He said, "NO, I don't want any gum! I'm leaving now so you can all talk about me!" and he walked away. The Bible also says... "There is a "way" which seems right to a man, but that path leads to death." That is the path of vengeance and anger and hate! The path of LIFE is LOVE.
Turn the cheek, if it happens again it was no accident, then go old school. Eye for an eye! Make damn sure they know its not worth it to do again! ( starters, main course with side salad , and a pudding!)
you quoted 'eye for an eye' does that say YOU get to collect the debt? what a loser
Biblical reference, yes. But through context, its a Malcolm X quote. Quick to jump on the "hater train" aren't you! And by your comment I can gather that you have many underlying issues! So sit on my couch and tell... You Thick, illiterate, inbred , piece of shit
wow .. now that is a different interpretation of turn the other cheek ..
1st of it say this to a ..BROTHER IN CHRIST ..NOT EVERYONE ELSE ..ITS A DIRECTIVE TO HIS AND HIS ALONE ..EVERYONE ELSE SHALL FEEL HIS N MY WRATH ..AS IT SHOULD BE
NO.
turn the other cheek is a mistranslation. it means turn and look within, which means look at your own possible role of responsibility in what has just occurred. (in other words, consider the possible (-- for lack of a better term -- )KARMA of the situation)
read Rudolf Steiner for more insight. Most "Christians" will balk at this mentioning of karma...but they are simply misinformed.
A hits B on the cheek. B thinks that turning the other cheek is idiotic so B hits back. A also thinks that turning the other cheek is stupid so A hits back. And the cycle continues. If it starts to escalate then it's a spiral and eventually one or both will die. Now how smart or moral is that? If one needs an argument outside Christianity then consider SunTzu's Art of War which makes a point out of aiming for the best outcome. Saying that turning the other cheek is about letting others treat you as a doormat is just a strawman and shallow thinking. And circular reasoning too as the only way to get that conclusion out of what Jesus is said to have said is to assume something which presupposes that he meant exactly that. Again not very smart
The bible has all the answers you could ever need:
Some wrongs you - eye for an eye, justice, vengeance.
You wrong someone - turn the other cheek, forgiveness, mercy.
TinselTheDeadKing SRFL can you explain what you meant by he said nothing with the comment?
Ana Begins thank you for explaining it clears up a lot of confusion. :)
Is that product placement going on there?
There is a social enemy and there is an asocial enemy. Turn the other cheek apply more to social altercations, or arguments... It surely wont apply to people who are trying to kill you... People who are psychopaths, or who are under the influence of drugs... There will be no seeking peace with people like these.
This is so frustrating....99% of Christians do not understand the cultural meaning of that verse. Do some homework...
I get a lot of Christians calling me "a lost fool".
I say, yes, I am a fool, ...... And a pervert also.
Steal my cloak, here is my garment also.
Obviously Dr. Peterson is a very bright and honest man, but his restating what the New Testament "really" means merely serves to make him look more like an apologist for Christianity than an objective scholar. If he's a Christian believer, fine, but out of self-respect and respect for his audience he should be diligently announcing, before telling us what the New Testament "really" means, that his Christianity affiliation likely makes him biased in favor of that religion. To billions of non-Christians, either Christianity is a slave's religion or it is the slave-masters' religion, and what the New Testament 'really' means reflects the attitudes and thinking of how to survive when you are a brutalized, conquered, enslaved people such as the pre-Christian Jews under hundreds of years of Roman subjugation and extermination. The message of the New Testament comes AFTER the invincible Roman legions mass-slaughtered Corinth in the conquest of Greece and a century later mass-slaughtered Jerusalem in the conquest of Judea. 'Turn the other cheek' is the advice of a pessimistic slave, wanting to survive as an abject slave rather than be butchered as a freedom-fighting Jewish Zealot.
Don Kirk but Kirk, he seems to have no qualms whatsoever in defending the Bible, because bible according to him is the universal archetype/narrative that humans must play out to find meaning/peace in their lives. Defending the Bible does in now way reduce his stature as an independent scholar.
Don Kirk Siddhartha Gautama, the Buddha, also taught "turn the other cheek". He was a prince who renounced everything he had, not a slave. Neither were the early buddhists slaves. So the "slave-religion" explanation of "turn the other cheek" doesn't work for Buddha. Is it possible there really are true exemplars of peace, not merely scared slaves?
No-one needs to 'apologise' for Christianity! What are you talking about?!
Hopefully you will grow out of the phase you are in, as many other young men are doing. This is real wisdom. The tricksters like Sam Harris are panicking because people are outgrowing his silly, childish attacks on Christians and his nihilism and discovering REAL LIFE.
How does a pessimistic slave answer a Roman governor the way Jesus answered Pilate when questioned under the crime of sedition which carries a death sentence if he’s just angling for survival?
In my world, if you get disrespected you show the other one who the real boss is. You unfold Physical violence until the other person first fears you, then respects and admires you and becomes your slave.
twisted one
Real conversation? Hypocrite
Please learn proper English and stop using vulgar language. It shows your limited vocabulary.
Jordan Peterson should just be by himself and take calls. This guy throws out f bombs and lowers the class of the conversations.
Romans in palestine? Never heard of that. Ben Kochbar? Never heard of that. Let's babble and engage in lesbian chatter, girls. Kindergarten.
May God bless this man.
Artty 1975 he is a modern times profet
He the One who send him to those who have ears
He is one of many light beings that came to wake you up. forget all you’ve been taught. The truth is making a return.
If you can respond effectively to an attack and disarm your foes, you are strong; but if you can get them to give up the fight and align themselves all the way behind you, you are stronger still.
Making a friend out of an enemy: that's victory pushed to its limit.
Stéphane Surprenant Beautifully said!
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Abraham Lincoln said this once I think...
@Ze Pato
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It represents defiance. there are multiple factors just in that small passage. One easy one is we are not to react in the flesh to someone who is PERSECUTING you(not about self defense or defending another). Not to retaliate violence for violence. We have to ask ourselves, why are we doing it? for our own pride/self?
A big factor we don't understand is the term "right" cheek. There is a reason for that. Yahshua lived in a right handed world where left hands were reserved only for unclean tasks. Therefore, one can assume that the person doing the hitting would have used their right hand. The only way to strike someone on the right cheek with the right hand is a backhanded slap. Such a blow connotes an insult, not a fistfight, and was a normal way to reprimand someone over whom you had power(masters to slaves, husbands to wives, Romans to Jews). To strike your equal in such a manner was socially and legally unacceptable, carrying with a huge fine.
Understanding this Yahshua was speaking in, picture the scenario to them as the oppressor. You, A wealthy man of power backhands or reprimands your slave you expect the slave to cower, submit, slink away. Instead, your slave "defiantly" turns their other cheek and challenges you to hit them again. What do you do as the wealthy man?
Most likely you would give your slave another backhanded slap to show them their place, but, to do that you would have to use your left hand which would admit that your action is unclean. You could hit them on thier left cheek, instead, but it would be embarrassing to hit your slave the way you should hit your equal. What do they do with a defiant
' slave like that then? Well,
you could order them to be flogged, but, the slave has made their point. They have shown you that they are a human being with dignity and worth. You don't own them, you cannot control them, and they do not submit to your rule.
Yahshua's instruction not to resist evil and to turn the other cheek transforms from an instruction to accept injustice into a challenge to resist systems of domination and oppression without the use of violence. Rather than ignoring evil and hoping it will just go away, Yahshua is telling His followers to find creative, ACTIVE, and nonviolent ways to assert their humanity and God's love .
In Acts 23:3 Paul warned his abuser of judgment and retribution
Yahshua rebukes the guard who struck Him
How can it be right to just turn the other cheek with passive indifference when the sacred is traded for sacrilege? When truth is traded for lies? When beauty is traded for perversion? When open handed charity is traded for the heavy hand of the state?
When Christs Bride, is being assaulted?
We are to defend the vulnerable, resisting wickedness ourselves when doing so.
Exodus 22:2,3 If the thief is caught while breaking in, and is struck so that he dies, there will be no bloodguiltiness on his account. But if the sun has risen on him, there will be bloodguiltiness on his account. Yahweh's law clearly provides for self defense, our Savior was also, Mat24:43 and Luke 11:21.
The better armed we are, the less likely someone will steal from us or harm us or our families. Yahshua commanded His disciples to purchase weapons: luke 22:36
Each of us has a natural right from God to defend his person, his liberty and his property. These are 3 basic requirements of life, 1 Tim 5:8 so after providing for his family's spiritual safety, A Christian man's next priority should be providing for his family's physical protection. Food, clothing, and shelter are of little benefit if you are unprepared or unwilling to defend your family against thieves, rapists, and murderers. It is not unchristian to practice self-defense- it is unchristian if you do NOT. excerpt from Bible Law vs the United States Constitution, Ted R. Weiland pg 50.
It is imperative we understand the authority to arm ourselves comes from Yahweh Himself.
BC of the church we have allowed ourselves to become passive and spineless, teaching us lies on Romans 13 about submitting to the gov't. Yahweh's law reigns supreme, we gave it up for the tyranny of the state, the Constitution, sadly
If you would like to know more, there are many questions answered at
www.bibleversusconstitution.org/tapelist.html#T1006
I'm a big fan of Jordan Peterson and I like what he says here. However, this isn't what turning the other cheek means. It is an act of defiance. It was customary in Roman times to backhand an inferior. By turning the other cheek you keep it from happening again. Instead the person would have to hit the other cheek that is exposed with their fist which is a sign of equality. If they were to strike again it would have to be done as one fights an equal.
@@horrificpleasantry9474 So I haven't personally explored any commentaries on the specific passage mostly because I've had two new testament professors and 1 philosophy professor either state or agree with what I wrote. Could you provide the source your pulling from demonstrating what I said wasn't historically accurate?
This interviewer is trying to be Joe Rogan too much, not being himself
Wtf he is just being himself
Yeshua was being sarcastic! Roman's were the ones striking Israelites. If a superior officer saw it they got into a lot of trouble. Walking 2 miles and not just 1 mile was also a tactic. A Roman soldier could make a local carry their stuff for Only one mile, so if they got caught overly abusing the citizens carrying burden for 2 miles...again in trouble. Ignorance is not bliss.
There’s an amazing scene in the Miyazaki film, Princess Mononoke, where San angrily stabs Ashitaka in the chest with the dagger he had given her. And...
And he’s strong enough to take it. It is unfair. He doesn’t deserve what she inflicts on him. But her feelings are overwhelming and he’s willing to live through that pain without seeking revenge or even justice. And she realizes how unjust she has been as soon as the blade hits him. How much pain she can cause when she’s in pain.
I think “turn the other cheek” means “try and see bigger than your immediate pain.”
Exactly.
Host is as lost as last year's easter egg.
Better to seek peace than victory! Ty
Dont become provoked by insults or abuse but maintain your equilibrium walk before things get out of hand..its about peace as JP says.
Don’t take it out of context. It’s an act of aggression. Turn the other cheek is going the distance, the extra mile, follow all rules completely. Take all the chapters together.
JBP is the man!
Turn the other cheek applies to other Christians in my opinion
@@horrificpleasantry9474 okay but I still think I have the proper application for today
@@horrificpleasantry9474a reprobate mind doesn't have the capacity to see the offering as anyting but weakness
There is a great article by Mr. Wink "Third way of Jesus". It explains historical context of biblical expressions like "turn the other cheek", "go an extra mile" or other. Those were advises given to the people from the bottom to - by using regulations of opresiv legal system of that times - stand for themselves and to challenge oppressors.
"Turning the other cheek is not an attitude of weakness but of strength. It takes fortitude and self-control to resist the urge to strike back. When we turn the other cheek, we don’t fearfully run away from the person who strikes us but face them confidently, without anger, making it apparent that we can tolerate the pain and that we are not afraid of them doing it again. This usually elicits respect from the other person, often causing them to feel remorse and even to offer a sincere apology.
Many people are afraid that this moral principle means that we need to let people injure or kill us without resistance. They will say things like, “The Jews ‘turned the other cheek’ during World War II and as a result six million of them were killed.”
According to the New Testament, Jesus did, indeed, allow himself to undergo a slow and excruciatingly painful death at the hands of his sadistic Roman tormentors while asking God to forgive them. In this manner he demonstrated his limitless love for everyone. However, he did not instruct ordinary mortals to passively allow themselves and their loved ones to be slaughtered at the hands of evil men. He did not say, “If someone kills your wife, let them kill your children, too.” His instruction was specifically regarding a slap to the cheek. A slap is not meant to injure or kill us but to humiliate us or provoke us into a fight. If we slap them back, they will probably hit us even harder, leading to escalating violence. If they are more powerful than us, they may seriously harm or kill us. If they are officers of the law or soldiers, they will feel justified arresting or shooting us. However, if we face them without retaliating, their aggression is likely to be defused.
The tactic of ‘turning the other cheek’ can work only if the other person has the capacity for conscience. It will not work when sadistic, crazed or hate-filled people are actually intent on injuring or killing us regardless of our behavior.
Furthermore, when people slap us, most frequently it’s because they are angry with us. This means they feel that we hurt them in some way--that they are our victims."
The source: www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/resilience-bullying/201205/principle-number-six-turn-the-other-cheek
One great supporting statement for these arguments could be "what happened when we beat Germany into submission?"
This also could mean, turn the other cheek and look behind you, for evil is a coward and will stab you in the back while pretending to be your friend.
Jesus stood for justice. He did Not want us to just take abuse but not to inflect evil with evil. But perhaps Jesus meant for us to use creative ways of exposing injustice and dealing with injustice? Turning the other cheek also gives you the power and takes it away from the enemy . Copied this from a study: "Jesus lived in a right-handed world where left hands were reserved only for unclean tasks. Therefore, we can assume that the person doing the hitting would have used their right hand. The only way to strike someone on the right cheek with your right hand is a backhanded slap. Such a blow connotes an insult, not a fistfight, and was a normal way to reprimand someone over whom you had power (e.g. masters to slaves, husbands to wives, Romans to Jews). To strike your equal in such a manner was socially and legally unacceptable, carrying with it a huge fine." -Leah Watkiss
“ How must we deal with force Master ? “ Kwai chai Cain
“ Since it is better to know peace and quiet over victory, ........then it’s simple : Run away ! “. Master Tae.
It’s much easier to turn the other cheek when you know you can whip your opponents ass though ! And isn’t that the point : If people KNOW you can fight back but choose NOT to, they respect you for it. But, a man that can’t fight back only brings shame upon himself and his family if he keeps offering his cheeks to be abused by an aggressor.
There is a story:
I decided to start believing in God when I was 12 years old thanks to my teacher. I had a conflict with the boys in my parallel class because I countered their behavior and style when they hurt the weak. I decided to completely follow what religion said and prayed that God would teach me and tell me. I listened to myself and then decided to "turn the other cheek" and endured so long that I learned to be afraid.
How does "turn the other cheek" mean, according to the video, "I won't let you hit me again"? Is there even an argument to be made that this is not screaming nonsense?
I prayed to God and cried, I was having a hard time, but no one came to me with advice. Six months later I became a cynical nihilist for many years of my adolescence.
It was an evil place in the ghetto, the boys in second grade talking prison slang. No one explained anything to me. I don't see God in this situation.
What I found in this story is that I lie to myself about my past in a way.
Jordan Peterson should study biblical history. In the time of Jesus this was a double effective response: 1) it was insulting to turn your left cheek on a person and 2) somebody is not able to slap you hard on the other cheek with the same hand. Bobby Schuller explained in one of his preaches that he learned that from his Theology study.
Turn the other cheek means when someone strikes you, do not immediately respond with anger. When you are hit, you are in a moment of decision. In this moment of decision, you can respond any way you want. There are an infinite number of responses available to you. Jesus suggested to his followers that in this moment of decision, when someone hurts you, consider kindness as a choice. You don’t have to respond in kind. You don’t have to meet violence with violence. Consider giving the attacker love, not anger. Peace, not war. Kindness, not cruelty. Its your decision how to respond. You can pour oil on the water. You can turn the other cheek. Or, you can seek an eye for an eye.
Turning the other cheek in Jesus' time and cultural context means something completely different than how modern interpretations are applied. Context is everything.
Disparage selfishness and you aid the collectivists. It is in no one's interest to harm others. That isn't selfish. As Peterson just said, peace is victory, peace is sensible. His endless contradictions will defeat him and any who follow him.
Check out this video to see another explanation about turning the other cheek.
ua-cam.com/video/gC8pffvX1to/v-deo.html