As a descend of Creek Indians, & being a Creek myself, I just want to Thank You for making this video. Our history, as horrible & sad it may be, is still American History. Despite the fact our current Governor doesn't allow actual true history to be taught. Love your channel & work. Keep it up.
Also, my Grandfather refused to carry a $20 bill, his entire 67yrs of life, because Jackson is on it. Thats how we loathe Jackson. Plus that whole Trail of Tears thing he forced us on.
Thank you for the comments. You are correct. It is history, as real and true as it gets. There is nothing more American than fighting for home, land, freedom, tradition, and way of life.
they had plenty of chances to quit killing settlers. They were fighting each other way before europeans arrived. They burned all of the forests and killed off the native American horses
@@GiosueMannino You are aware that the settlers started the Creek War of 1813-1814 by attacking the Red Sticks at the Battle of Burnt Corn Creek, correct? No settlers had been attacked by them at that time.
@TwoEggTV if you don't mind stringing all the videos together when you are done into a super cut i would love to watch an extra long version of all of them together when the series is finished
He is very passionate about Horseshoe Bend and the Creek and Seminole Wars. One of his direct ancestors was a Red Stick who survived the devastating days of 1813-1818, so it means a lot to him to help tell the history today.
There was no mention of Fort Mims ug 30, 1813, where about 550, mostly women, children, and elderly were slaughtered, by the Creeks. The Creeks had been to Pensacola, Florida, where they picked up weapons, guns, and other supplies, and alcohol, from the British.
We have another documentary that is completely about Fort Mims. This one was exclusively about the Battle of Horseshoe Bend. If you look through our other videos, however, you will find numerous ones on the Creek War. As for Fort Mims, tour information is a bit incorrect. First, there were no British in Pensacola at that time. Second, Fort Mims was a retaliatory attack carried out by the Red Sticks after a Creek supply party was attacked by Mississippi volunteers at the Battle of Burnt Corn Creek. Third, the actual number killed at Fort Mims was around 250. A large number of women and children were taken prisoner there and set free at the end of the war.
@@TwoEggTVyou do realize that Spain was in alliance with the British and therefore the British were involved, regardless of what people may say, and because of that alliance, the battle of burnt corn creek was still unjustified by the fact that the issuing of mutilation and cannibalism omat the fort Mims massacre, and also the fact that there were not only settlers in the fort, but also Indians living freely in the fort.
@@AĺexanderMartin-r8v I mean no offense by this at all, but you have your timeline mixed up a bit. Spain was not in alliance with the British at the time that the Creek War began. Spain was a neutral country. Keep in mind, however, that the United States invaded Spanish territory and seized Mobile and Mobile Bay in April 1813 - prior to the Creek War - without cause and despite the fact that Spain was neither involved in the War of 1812 nor had based any British troops in its territory. There were no British troops or ships in Pensacola in July 1813, nor had any British arms been deposited there when frontier settlers attacked a Creek supply party at the Battle of Burnt Corn Creek. Prior to that point, the Creek War was a civil war between two factions in the Creek Nation itself and did not involve white settlers at all. It was in retaliation for this unprovoked attack by settlers on Creek warriors that that the Red Sticks attacked Fort Mims one month later in August 1813. And for what it is worth, despite repeated warnings that an attack was coming, the military commander of Fort Mims didn't bother to close his gates or complete his blockhouse. There were also units of armed and equipped Mississippi Territorial Militia in the fort that had taken part in the attack at Burnt Corn Creek, not just settlers, so it was a legitimate military target. Many of the women and children were saved by the Red Sticks and survived the war.
@TwoEggTV I believe I do not have it mixed up. Spain was in alliance with he British during the peninsular war of 1811-1814, and the British were allowing blockade around the coast, both gulf and east, and alsot he fact that the indians were aligning themselves to tecumseh, whom was a British Allie, and the fact of the matter is the creek war happened between 1813-1814, this clearly is a flaw in your claim because you don't know history. And if your make another claim in saying that the indians were in the right in massacring the fort you'd be wrong. And yes there was cannibalism, there are account of indians eating the flesh of white people and even one Indian is quoted to have said "oh it must be good to eat white man's flesh" and they even ate the indians living in the fort. Also when the Alabama government asked them to stop, the indians sent a severed butchard head of a scalped human, it became clear, the indians wanted war, and the Alabama asked for help. And they got it with Andrew Jackson and his battalion of militia. Also you have to understand that the indians actions are not justified. And you must stop this idea that the white people in that area are, the fact of the matter is, you are wrong in thinking we started it when it was the Spanish, British, and the red creek indians who started this whole thing. The modern revisionist just like to claim some things up and call it justified. Also the fact is the settlers were vringingbthe gospel forth. And the fact of the matter is the pagan tribals didn't like that, and so they attacked.
The Tallapoosa looks a lot different than it did when i was young. The dam built upriver at wedowee has left many exposed rocks at the bend that were once covered by deeper water. Most of the wooded islands that the river was once known for have washed away due to the wedowee dam as well. Incidentally those 19th cetury cannon are mounted on early 20th century carriages that were donated or repurposed by the military after ww1
I am always curious about the changes in the river due to both the upriver and downriver dams. The landscape of the bend itself, of course, has changed due to farming over the years. Plus, at one point there was even a silver mine there. The carriages are of an early 19th-century style, but are 20th-century replicas.
I wouldn't describe it as fun, but the park is definitely well done, and the National Park Service does a great job of maintaining it and interpreting the battle.
In W. Brewer's book of Alabama history; he mentions the rivalry between Alabama natives and the Tennessee volunteers stems from them taking the skin from the warriors and making horse reigns.
There are definitely old stories to that effect. Those types of stories also survive from the Midwest where the Shawnee and affiliated tribes battle U.S. troops and militia reinforcements.
I live maybe twenty or twenty-fives miles from there. Have visited the park several times as a child and adult. Back in the mid to late sixties my father got the contract to pave the trails from parking areas to the overlook areas at the park. It always makes me feel connected to Alabama history and U.S. history than just learning about what happened. I realized that the Indians got a bad deal, but they themselves brought some if not all on themselves.
That is a very cool connection for you to have to the battlefield. We have walked those paved trails many times and have been very appreciative for them. In fact, many people would not be able to see key features of the battlefield without them.
As a descend of Creek Indians, & being a Creek myself, I just want to Thank You for making this video. Our history, as horrible & sad it may be, is still American History. Despite the fact our current Governor doesn't allow actual true history to be taught. Love your channel & work. Keep it up.
My family were Red Stick Creek.
Also, my Grandfather refused to carry a $20 bill, his entire 67yrs of life, because Jackson is on it. Thats how we loathe Jackson. Plus that whole Trail of Tears thing he forced us on.
Thank you for the comments. You are correct. It is history, as real and true as it gets. There is nothing more American than fighting for home, land, freedom, tradition, and way of life.
they had plenty of chances to quit killing settlers. They were fighting each other way before europeans arrived. They burned all of the forests and killed off the native American horses
@@GiosueMannino You are aware that the settlers started the Creek War of 1813-1814 by attacking the Red Sticks at the Battle of Burnt Corn Creek, correct? No settlers had been attacked by them at that time.
Oh, Im so happy you are continuing this series. You guys are the go to for creek war history
Thank you so much! This series holds a special place in our hearts, and we have many more segments to add to it.
@TwoEggTV if you don't mind stringing all the videos together when you are done into a super cut i would love to watch an extra long version of all of them together when the series is finished
@@faithlessberserker5921 We have plans exactly along those lines!
Another great presentation! I'm learning a lot and enjoying the series.
Thank you so much!
Another great video, so great to hear Dale's voice, ya'll keep it up.
He is very passionate about Horseshoe Bend and the Creek and Seminole Wars. One of his direct ancestors was a Red Stick who survived the devastating days of 1813-1818, so it means a lot to him to help tell the history today.
Excellent video Dale and Rachael! I do need to visit there!
You would love it! It is one of the most pristine battlefield parks in the country.
Great video!
Thank you so much!
There was no mention of Fort Mims ug 30, 1813, where about 550, mostly women, children, and elderly were slaughtered, by the Creeks. The Creeks had been to Pensacola, Florida, where they picked up weapons, guns, and other supplies, and alcohol, from the British.
We have another documentary that is completely about Fort Mims. This one was exclusively about the Battle of Horseshoe Bend. If you look through our other videos, however, you will find numerous ones on the Creek War. As for Fort Mims, tour information is a bit incorrect. First, there were no British in Pensacola at that time. Second, Fort Mims was a retaliatory attack carried out by the Red Sticks after a Creek supply party was attacked by Mississippi volunteers at the Battle of Burnt Corn Creek. Third, the actual number killed at Fort Mims was around 250. A large number of women and children were taken prisoner there and set free at the end of the war.
@@TwoEggTVyou do realize that Spain was in alliance with the British and therefore the British were involved, regardless of what people may say, and because of that alliance, the battle of burnt corn creek was still unjustified by the fact that the issuing of mutilation and cannibalism omat the fort Mims massacre, and also the fact that there were not only settlers in the fort, but also Indians living freely in the fort.
@@AĺexanderMartin-r8v I mean no offense by this at all, but you have your timeline mixed up a bit. Spain was not in alliance with the British at the time that the Creek War began. Spain was a neutral country. Keep in mind, however, that the United States invaded Spanish territory and seized Mobile and Mobile Bay in April 1813 - prior to the Creek War - without cause and despite the fact that Spain was neither involved in the War of 1812 nor had based any British troops in its territory. There were no British troops or ships in Pensacola in July 1813, nor had any British arms been deposited there when frontier settlers attacked a Creek supply party at the Battle of Burnt Corn Creek. Prior to that point, the Creek War was a civil war between two factions in the Creek Nation itself and did not involve white settlers at all. It was in retaliation for this unprovoked attack by settlers on Creek warriors that that the Red Sticks attacked Fort Mims one month later in August 1813. And for what it is worth, despite repeated warnings that an attack was coming, the military commander of Fort Mims didn't bother to close his gates or complete his blockhouse. There were also units of armed and equipped Mississippi Territorial Militia in the fort that had taken part in the attack at Burnt Corn Creek, not just settlers, so it was a legitimate military target. Many of the women and children were saved by the Red Sticks and survived the war.
@TwoEggTV I believe I do not have it mixed up. Spain was in alliance with he British during the peninsular war of 1811-1814, and the British were allowing blockade around the coast, both gulf and east, and alsot he fact that the indians were aligning themselves to tecumseh, whom was a British Allie, and the fact of the matter is the creek war happened between 1813-1814, this clearly is a flaw in your claim because you don't know history. And if your make another claim in saying that the indians were in the right in massacring the fort you'd be wrong. And yes there was cannibalism, there are account of indians eating the flesh of white people and even one Indian is quoted to have said "oh it must be good to eat white man's flesh" and they even ate the indians living in the fort. Also when the Alabama government asked them to stop, the indians sent a severed butchard head of a scalped human, it became clear, the indians wanted war, and the Alabama asked for help. And they got it with Andrew Jackson and his battalion of militia. Also you have to understand that the indians actions are not justified. And you must stop this idea that the white people in that area are, the fact of the matter is, you are wrong in thinking we started it when it was the Spanish, British, and the red creek indians who started this whole thing. The modern revisionist just like to claim some things up and call it justified. Also the fact is the settlers were vringingbthe gospel forth. And the fact of the matter is the pagan tribals didn't like that, and so they attacked.
The Tallapoosa looks a lot different than it did when i was young. The dam built upriver at wedowee has left many exposed rocks at the bend that were once covered by deeper water. Most of the wooded islands that the river was once known for have washed away due to the wedowee dam as well.
Incidentally those 19th cetury cannon are mounted on early 20th century carriages that were donated or repurposed by the military after ww1
I am always curious about the changes in the river due to both the upriver and downriver dams. The landscape of the bend itself, of course, has changed due to farming over the years. Plus, at one point there was even a silver mine there. The carriages are of an early 19th-century style, but are 20th-century replicas.
Great place to visit.
Yes, it is. The park is extremely well maintained and informative.
I was there two years ago and it was a fun place to visit.
I wouldn't describe it as fun, but the park is definitely well done, and the National Park Service does a great job of maintaining it and interpreting the battle.
Fun? It is hallowed ground.
@charlesbelser7249 It is indeed.
In W. Brewer's book of Alabama history; he mentions the rivalry between Alabama natives and the Tennessee volunteers stems from them taking the skin from the warriors and making horse reigns.
There are definitely old stories to that effect. Those types of stories also survive from the Midwest where the Shawnee and affiliated tribes battle U.S. troops and militia reinforcements.
I live maybe twenty or twenty-fives miles from there. Have visited the park several times as a child and adult. Back in the mid to late sixties my father got the contract to pave the trails from parking areas to the overlook areas at the park. It always makes me feel connected to Alabama history and U.S. history than just learning about what happened. I realized that the Indians got a bad deal, but they themselves brought some if not all on themselves.
That is a very cool connection for you to have to the battlefield. We have walked those paved trails many times and have been very appreciative for them. In fact, many people would not be able to see key features of the battlefield without them.
@@TwoEggTV thank you. I also found out that on my mothers side I an related to a Slaughter that was in the Revolutionary War.
@@harrykeel8557 That's cool also. What area was he from?
Not really sure, I'm guessing he was from Dadeville area, could be wrong. I always have had a great sense of history in this area.
Sad part of history.
@@charlesbelser7249 Very much so. Thank you so much for watching.
I wrote about this battle in my book, “Cotton Coated Conspiracy.”
No mention of what Jackson’s soldiers did to the bodies of the Red Sticks?
The bodies were left to rot on the battlefield. Some were stripped of skin which was used to make various souvenirs by some of the soldiers.
I can't confirm that you wrote the book, of course, since the authors used a single pseudonym.
@@TwoEggTV Thanks for the replies and well done video. Indeed, I used a pen name. Blessings