Are Strategic Leaks Fueling Florida State/Clemson Big 12 Rumors? | FSU Insider
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- TJ Pittinger from @CFBAddiction and @DoubleFriesNoSlaw joins me to give the Florida State perspective on the latest reports from Brett McMurphy and Jason Scheer.
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For the B1G no one not named ND is coming in at a full share. Oregon is more valuable a brand than FSU and they took a half share.
Yep. It's pure delusion to think anyone not named ND would get a full share right now. There is nothing wrong with being a homer for your team, but c'mon. Sounds like FSU fans are now trying to cause problems in the B1G by talking down to and crapping on current B1G members. Ohio State doesn't do that. Michigan doesn't do that. FSU is going to cause some real problems if the B1G brings them in.
Yes please. Assures UNC goes SEC when/if.
@@tarheel7406 And every fan of the B1G would not lose any sleep.
There is a Fox memo out there that says fsu is worth a ful share. Acc/espn filed a damage claim that says fsu is worth over 100 million a year.
@@scotttaranto7870 They would not pay FSU or Clemson a full share without bumping up Oregon and Washington. And to make all four financial equals with the other members, the current members would need to take a cut. Not gonna happen.
Now some of you know that the money doesn’t come out of your own pockets, right?
Love the fans that think they’re behind the scenes and in meetings with the commissioners and TV execs. 😂 it’s cute.
I agree for the most part. However those of us that have financial obligations to their respective athletic programs. Particularly ones that have given large amounts over a long period of time, like myself, can offer opinions to AD's... And they listen.
But obviously no, we are not negotiating terms or anything like that.
If you have 2 equal (for the sake of argument) conferences you are considering,
then you take the 2 best football programs from conference A and then you put them in conference B,
conference B becomes well better than conference A.
Also consider that conference B will be negotiating a new contract again soon with MUCH more firepower on its side.
Conference A is stuck for another 12 years.
It's not a lateral move, it's investing yourself into a commodity that is increasing in demand.
Sure, but the 2 aren't equal.
@@tarheel7406, you're right, the Big XII makes more money, took better teams, and is in a better position to grow.
The ACC is stuck in an under-value contract for 12 more years, that's why people want out.
That is a very logical point. Although I do not support my Seminoles going to the Big 12 but if we did we would certainly be one of the top three teams in the conference immediately.
And I would certainly relish the opportunity to play Colorado! 😂
@@jamesb0255, of course!
It would be cool.
@@kingbaldwiniv5409 Nope...
a) The BIG12 makes less money
b) The BIG12 took 3 G5s and 5 P5 remainders
c) The BIG12 can't get much worse
d) The ACC rejected every new BIG12 member and every BIG12 member would leave for the SEC/B1G if they could
The BIG12 is the worst P4 (by far). Moving FSU/CLEMSON to the BIG12 would not lower the ACC's value below its current contract, and a depreciated FSU/CLEMSON don't have the lift to help the BIG12.
Only bring in FSU and Clemson for equal pay. Plus a long term commitment. If not leave them out.
Of course FSU and Clemson can still have a chance, just like Oregon had hopes to go to the B1G during those reports last year. Except you actually get a state and area worth adding and a team with actual success not just money and barbie uniforms
As a Big 12 fan, i don't want FSU. Remember how Yormark played Oregon and Washington to get the 4 corner schools? I'd rather have Miami, VT, NC, and Louisville
Probably not UNC but Pitt sure
Agree. I want no FSU or Clemson. For me its VT, Miami, NCState & Louisville.
You don’t want the competition? Remember big12 needs to make a huge stride before the next look-in for the playoffs. Both fsu and clemson are playoff ready.
And if you can beat them then your team gets the ‘playoff ready’ tag as well…
Those other schools have potential. But they need to cook
Why not? I think it would be more fun to play FSU or Clemson than VT for example. It would increase competition in the conference. Nothing against VT or those other teams.
@@bentheo”nothing against VT?”What do you think VT does NOT bring??
This guy makes the fsu fanbase look pathetic. Classless whiner
Sadly, it seems to be a fair representation of the majority of the FSU fanbase on UA-cam. You don't really hear this kind of stuff coming from Clemson fans.
@@KeepChoppinnah your a random nobody knows you
As a Clemson fan, we only move to the Big 12 if they pay us very well. We dont have a vendetta with the ACC or ESPN, like a Florida State fan. We just want the resources to compete for titles. We prefer the SEC because of the games we can get on our schedule, but we are ok with the Big 10 as it's also a secure long-term league with good schools. But I think we are fine staying in the ACC for now if for whatever reason there isn't an opening in the Power 2. Moving laterally only puts us in a worse position, and we are confident that if we end up in the Big 12, its because the money is compelling enough to do so.
I think Clemson in the B12 would be good for both if the money’s right for Clemson.
I maintain that the SEC has agreed to take CLEMSON as long as with UNC. If CLEMSON moves to the BIG12, that arrangement would end.
Hot take: Yormark can boldly talk about adding FSU and Clemson because he's not actually expecting it to happen (and therefore there's no need to worry about being seen as tampering).
As for the B1G and SEC, I believe them when they say that they aren't looking to add anyone that's already in another conference. Basically they aren't trying to avoid the appearance of tampering, they're actually avoiding doing so because they know that the ACC teams will be on the open market eventually (whether it's next week, 2036, or sometime in between). They can afford to be patient and aren't going to have the timeline dictated to them just because a few universities are in a rush.
Big 12 is a true football conference ACC is a basketball conference if you take FSU and Clemson out and send the other ACC teams to play the big 12 teams you're talking about multiple touchdown victories for the Big 12. Most ACC teams are old teams that were good that don't really compete anymore. If you win the Big 12 you will definitely make the playoffs unlike FSU going undefeated in the ACC. Last year we had Texas year before we had TCU. Big 12 is a true football conference if you win it you will be banged up and earned it.
Maybe true. But reality, more national championships in basketball than football in last 20 years after Nebraska left. ACC has 3 football championships also in last 20 years and a lot more basketball championships.
@davidframe1613 I don't buy into the theory that FSU is left out even if our QB is healthy. FSU, as a fanbase IMO, doesn't care where it plays as long as it is getting properly compensated.
We should. Access to the playoff matters and a 1 loss acc/big 12 runner up is getting passed over for a two loss sec/b1g team that didn’t play in their conference championship.
@@scotttaranto7870 Making an additional 40 million per year over the next 10 years is more important than a couple conference championships and possibly a natty over that same period. And I mean this in terms of maintaining/ gaining a competitive edge. No doubt the goal of the games is to win championships. Not arguing that. I'm arguing what has the bigger influence on talent acquisition and being able to field a championship caliber program. Going forward, especially such a difference in qty, is the #1 indicator of competitive potential.
Bro Big 12 without Texas and Oklahoma ain’t nothing you better hope FSU and Clemson come nobody watched Big 12 like that
The ACC is stronger than people realize. FSU and Clemson will learn the hard way
No they won’t without them 2 ACC ain’t nothing
I agree
ACC learned from Maryland. Ironclad! Keep paying lawyers they want to drag it on.
John, there is no way the BIG 10 Presidents will invite FSU or Clemson into the conference. Neither school belongs to the Association of American Universities. All members of the BIG 10, save Nebraska belong. Nebraska is not a member of the AAU due to their medical school being in Omaha and on campus in Lincoln. I don't know what the SEC would do down the road.
So where did you buy your crystal ball I want one! 🙄
Florida State is 3 years tops from getting AAU accreditation.
You bring up Nebraska and then say there's no way FSU in Clemson are getting in. That's what we call a contradiction. Do you actually think they're going to kick Nebraska out? Especially if they have a good season this year.
Your logic is flawed sir. Both teams could be brought in in some sort of probationary period or with the promise that they would work towards getting AAU accreditation.
It is not written anywhere in the Big Ten bylaws that you have to be a member of the AAU.
But hey I guess we should all just defer to your expertise 😂😂🙄
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Potential Clemson, FSU, UNC leverage Pitstops before the P2 are Big 12 or Independent with AppleTV, Amazon, USA, CBS Sports, NBC Sports or TNT.
I think if it's just FSU and Clemson going independent for a year or two until others leave
Double fries and no common sense.
How 'bout it? John should try to get more of these FSU guys on. It's pretty funny stuff to see how they are acting.
It's going to be awkward if FSU goes to the B12. They will constantly be talking down to and belittling fellow conference members. Their fans, for the most part, give off some really bad vibes. I can see why some of the B1G and SEC leadership is not impressed by FSU and their actions.
Clemson and FSU not coming to Big 12. This discussion with Big 12 is just intended to put pressure on Big 10 or SEC to get them moving to add them in. Both conferences do not want to seem like the ones that broke up the ACC , which is a joke. Big 12 has moved way beyond that notion after treading water more than once. Clemson and FSU leaving helps break up ACC and then Big 12 can recruit specific pieces they want to get to 24 schools. 24 - hmm. 24/3 = 8. . Seems like we are just getting back to 3 groups of 8 schools. Sounds kind of familiar, so what was the point of all of this.
FSU ~100% to BIG12
CLEMSON ~10% to BIG12
Outside of UNC, UVA & ND ~20% to BIG12
the discussion about Clemson and FSU isn't working because the site is from KS OR Missouri and not the east coast
Clemson fans aren't "OK" with going to the BIG12... The fans saying this are just excited about other schools that value football. We've been railroaded by the ACC for decades while carrying the conference, we just want out. Clemson will be in the SEC when this is all over so it's a moot point.
Sure little guy
For how long and by how many professionals must it be reported that CLEMSON and FSU are low expansion priorities for the SEC?
Would love to have them in our conference. Unlike many, I have empathy for both in spite of their somewhat snotty attitude towards us. They are good schools with good football programs. Who knows what college conferences will look like in 5 years anyway.
There is another reason. From a legal view point, if the SEC or Big10 extended an invitation to FSU or even expressed an interest in FSU joining either conference, this could open up the ACC suing that conference for tortuous interference with the ACC's contract with FSU.
This headline made me think of the 89 Joker. “Who do ya trust, money money money, who do ya trust”
Get ready to learn truckstop FSU and Clemson 😊
will you be paying their exit fee and giving them a extra 20 million?
FSU choose the Big 12 will mean huge revenue hits for wasted legal and exit fees to leave one B tier conference just to join another, that’s a great business plan!
If FSU comes to the Big 12 it will likely be because Yormark has increased revenue via branding, private equity and other deals that get FSU more than 75% of what the P2 would offer.
That's a plus but the move alone would increase revenue for both FSU Clemson big12 fans travel branding having your school jersey in texas arizona utah lots of states better for sale new fans and a fresh start.
In addition, Yormark is not negotiating media deals beneficial for his son instead its best for the schools! Yormark also stands up for his schools, shares revenue with all instead of more loans to smaller schools at the expense of larger schools. So commissioner and stability are also factors
@judah9934 Is it better than being in NC, VA, GA? We already have TX in the ACC with SMU. You also have to understand fans prefer local games for travel or bigger games if we cant, as not many places are destinations worth visiting just on their own.
@bleachorange smu paid to go to the acc smu not even big in there own city that's texas tech and tcu country lol
I'm open to any team that wants to be here. Feels like FSU may have some difficult decisions if they choose to leave the ACC. I wouldn't be surprised if they back off the lawsuits.
First wave Ross, cause an uproar. Second wave Scheer a smaller wave, now McMurphy even less. Definitely breaking in FSU fans softly should they end up in XII by the slim chance that is there. His position is understandable since FSU is a major brand worthy of the SuperWho, but depends on B1G/SEC's willingness to add them.
Now Pate
It’s not like y’all aren’t familiar with how to deal with high maintenance brands aka the 2 who just left 😂
FSU's "base" value isn't the problem. FSU's problem is that base value is adjusted down when accounting for the perspectives of the P2 and FSU's scorched earth tactics.
Lol FSU is not the pretty girl shes the 20 yrd with 3 kids from 3 different guys with a ton of baggage 😂
So, the P64 whos leaving the NCAA .....a new "G5" coalition/playoffs ....and then the B12/ACC by themselves? Good luck with that B12/ACC. When the faculty and fans accept reality we would love to have you in the new "G5" coalition and playoffs.
spending a 150 million dollars for 5 million dollars isn't good math.
why did the invester pull out and build nice hotel in Manhattan that was announced a while back
TJ seams pretty smart he knows damn well if FSU comes to the Big XII its for way more that an additional 5 million more a year. The conservative estimates are about 60 mil yr. If true 60 mil yr plus by paying any exit fee is fairly equal to what you'll get in the B1G/SEC and more than in the SEC. The Big XII has a chance because they have the 💰that FSU would need to be 😁. Thats not an extra 5 mil.
Think that would depend on the gor for the big 12 , rumor is with pe money they'd want a 10 year one and I don't see either team willing to do that with the big 10 or sec where they want to be
Well said!
I think fsu would be happy in the big 12 if they could make enough to be able to match payroll with osu, ou, Alabama, etc…. This whole thing isn’t about greed, it’s about staying relevant on a national level.
@@scotttaranto7870 ASU, TCU, & Texas Tech, have already said they are going to spend at the max. There are probably more Big XII schools. What's stopping FSU from doing it? FSU is a national brand, don't they already the resources? If FSU is in the Big XII they'll have the resources to compete. Being in the Big XII can't be an excuse as to why they can't.
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Big 12 is being underpaid with the addition of the 4 corner schools, so how much is that worth? Then, if they add FSU and Clemson, the payout has to be closer to 50 million, if not more
Nope. The 4Cs were worth the fungible pro rata and FSU/CLEMSON would have far less lift than TX/OK.
@tarheel7406 It's been reported that the Big 12 is being underpaid even though the 4 corners got pro rata
@@curtisd316 I've seen no such reports. I have heard BY state that he couldn't get the same amount today.
The BIG12's pro rata clause had the PAC remainders in mind, especially the 4Cs. Tier 2 football will be fungible.
12:06 remind me what undefeated team was left out of the cfp and their conference.
Not only was the CFP snub of FSU needed to get an SEC team, but FSU was easy to snub due to lack of respect. I doubt that CLEMSON, MIAMI, UVA or UNC would have been snubbed if any were in FSU's situation.
@tarheel7406 lmao UNC doesn’t ever have to worry about being snubbed, they lose all on their own
@@Victillwedie UNC is an influential upper right, so it would not have been snubbed.
@tarheel7406 lmao UNC is irrelevant in football, again win the ACC this century then talk
@@Victillwedie Again, UNC is an influential upper right, so it would not have been snubbed if in the same position as FSU was.
One bit of reality is that the situation could change dramatically if FSU either wins the NC in '24 or if they wiff and go 8-4.
I remember when pac 12 diehards were telling us this the past few years. Either the leaks were real or the strategy worked!
Clemson, you belong with us
Where’s all that smacking noise coming from?
Georgia is the most vocal against FSU & Clemson into the SEC, for recruiting reasons; FSU and Clemson are not worth $100 million each, and even if they are, they are not additive, neutral at best and the SEC doesn’t need them!
True, but it's been that way for a while with not just UGA. Over the years, the OG SEC East (sans UT and Vandy) formed a loose pact to automatically downvote any of respective their ACC rivals attempts to join (or in GA Tech's case rejoin) the conference.
I agree and why would they want fsu/clemson? It makes recruiting harder ( not fsu/clemson are less than 50 miles from Georgia and recruit the state already). if they landed in the east it makes the division harder. Not much upside for them.
what is the next topic. two more months until football season.
Florida State & Clemson will never leave the ACC for the Big 12; it’ll essentially just going to at best a straight line rather than going to a better situation.
They’ll both be in either of the SEC or the Big 10; perhaps not until at least 2027 in my opinion. I’m certain that neither Florida State nor Clemson care whether if either the SEC & Big 10 or ESPN & the other networks bid against one another.
They've burned their ACC bridges. If the B12 pays their buyout and SEC/B10 won't, they'd be foolish to not consider it.
@@SvdSinner Clemson hasn't burned its ACC bridges. Theres some sour feelings at the moment due to litigation, but there is no vendetta like with FSU.
Basically Clemson fans would prefer the SEC, but would be perfectly fine for the most part with the Big 10
@@SvdSinner Either way it just goes to show that the SEC thought much higher of Oklahoma & Texas than Florida State & Clemson; unless their buyouts were significantly less than the ACC buyouts are. Clemson’s buyout is around $52 million dollars (just slightly more than Oklahoma & Texas.) Never mind; I just learned that FSU’s buyout is at least $120 Million dollars.
I believe that those bridges can be repaired; as if the ACC would want to hold a grudge against a school that singlehandedly brings each school in the conference $20 million dollars more than they’re worth.
Millions of dollars spent for a lateral move 😂😂😂😂😂 but y'all ain't ready for that reality
When you take from one and add to the other, it isn't a lateral move. Math is hard.
If you have 2 equal (for the sake of argument) conferences you are considering,
then you take the 2 best football programs from conference A and then you put them in conference B,
conference B becomes well better than conference A.
Also consider that conference B will be negotiating a new contract again soon with MUCH more firepower on its side.
Conference A is stuck for another 12 years.
It's not a lateral move, it's investing yourself into a commodity that is increasing in demand.
@@Goeers206 Tier 2 football will be fungible. It's a downgrade across the board.
@tarheel7406 Playing football in the ACC has been a down grade for FSU and Clemson since it's existence. It's a trash football conference. Is what it is.
@@Goeers206 How does it feel that WVU has been repeatedly rejected by such a "trash" conference?
Football Playoff Appearances, 1st Rd Wins, Nattys (per Wiki 2015-2024)
ACC: 8-4-2 (Includes 1 of 2 ND appearances)
B12: 2-1-0 (Excludes OK; includes Cincy)
B1G: 12-5-2 (Includes Oregon & Washington)
PAC: 0-0-0 (Excludes Oregon & Washington)
SEC: 17-10-6 (Includes OK & TEXAS)
BCS Runner Ups - Champs (2000 - 2014)
ACC: 4-3 (Includes VATECH, MIAMI, ND)
B12: 0-0 (Excludes NEB, OK, TX)
B1G: 5-2 (Includes NEB, USC, ORE)
PAC: 0-0 (Excludes USC, ORE)
SEC: 6-10 (Includes OK, TEX)
FSU and CLEMSON have won nattys playing in the ACC. No new BIG12 member has won a football natty since BYU circa 1984.
Haha, Big 12 fans think their conference is tougher than the ACC. It’s not. They’re both terrible. And I am no ACC fan.
Haha, the ego on the FSU guy is crazy. 2 ACC Championships in the last 10 years. FSU is 6-4 over Louisville in the last 10 years. Hardly a record that would warrant all of the chest pumping.
lol.. This guy know nothing. He's been saying FSU is lock for a long time. He has no clue. P2 don't need ANY leverage. They already have it. There is zero reason for them to need a PR campaign, lol...
Look. Trying to get their narrative together....
This Florida state fan seems to overestimate his schools value.
Florida State is good in every sport nationally
@@merl-bz1bx One of FSU's problems is not knowing where it stands and acting on that ignorance. Per Wiki, FSU sponsors 9 men's and 10+1 women's sports, finishing 5x Top 10 in the D-Cup.
In contrast, UNC sponsors 13 men's and 15 women's sports, finishing 25x Top 10 D-Cup.
If we go to the big12 I'm done with watching sports
Try it before you knock it, man, you just might like it.
Delusional.
TJ states there are 8 reasons why they don’t get an invite. Hint…TJ… read the article again! It’s mostly all about relationships. Your team, school and fan bases arrogance is the #1 factor! Arrogance which led to a scorched earth policy the last 15 months.
I do not want FSU or Clemson. I would take Notre Dame, South Florida, OSU, and WSU.
that is a wild combination of four schools lol
ND would never join the Big 12 and the Big 12 isn't interested in the other schools you mentioned. Once they take what they can from the ACC they will close shop.
@@ChrisSadowski-pp1np that's what they said about FSU/Clemson
This reminds me of when we turned down Louisville and Florida State when they left the Big East. I'm still not a fan of adding them.
Florida State was never in the Big East. You might think it was Miami, but you’d be wrong again. Miami leaving the Big East for ACC is one of the reasons the Big East died as a football conference.
B1G should add FSU, Miami, Duke, UNC, ND and Stanford. Good mix of football and basketball and you add three rivalry games.
ND and UNC likely want nothing to do with FSU. Replace with UVA and you have something far more feasible.
I didn't like this guy. Very anti big12
Oof, that dude is a clown
Clemson fans feel their brand elevate wherever they are at. It depends on the best offer on the table.
Obviously FSU fans don’t trust their brand as much?
The big 12 gets a contract renewal before the acc with a look-in for the playoffs.
Fsu fans are tying their hands by expecting the best deal from one conference. Fsu has no leverage. They attacked espn already and the fans are rejecting big12. If the Big10 plays hard to get… you might be taking a pretty big paycut
ESPN & Disney are not going to renew their contract with the ACC after 2026-2027 season. There will only be 3 Power Conferences after 2027, therefore they will stick the best ACC schools into the Big 12, because it saves Disney money 💰
There is no feasible path to a peer P3.
Why wouldn't ESPN renew?
CAL+2 wouldn't have been invited without ESPN approval and assurances.