My grand mother used to tell me stories of her time in the asylum. It was horrible. All because she refused to have sex with her abusive, cheating husband. She was only 22 when she went in. She escaped at 27. She's now 79. She lives in a nursing facility now. Due to her brain not being right. They took part of her frontal lobe out. Grandma never ever stopped telling the truth of the horrible abuse she suffered. Up to the moment she lost her speech. 2 yrs now. I pray for all who suffered and still suffer today.
Men could lock their wives away for very little reason and they would always take the man’s word. Some husbands wanted to get ride of their wives so they could take a younger prettier wife and would just say my wife is crazy to get ride of her. They also locked ppl away for depression, panic attacks etc. so cruel
When you learn about the horrendous treatments they used back in the day , it makes you wonder if the doctors shouldn't have been committed instead of the patients !!!
*@Travis Haynes* - You must be very young, bc you’re looking at practitioners and patients from 70 years ago with today’s eyes; _this is not only incredibly ignorant, but deeply irresponsible, spreading misinformation that the doctors were the psychopaths, and the patient were their victims._ The practitioners in the 1950s were just as committed to making the lives of their patients better, without the knowledge psychiatrists have today. As just one example, psychopaths can now be diagnosed via sophisticated brain scans. And since you probably have zero knowledge of the practice of clinical psychology today, let alone psychiatry, I’d say you’re in a very poor position to judge what happens now, let alone in the 50s.
I was born in 1973 .... Obviously had Adhd.... my mum was encouraged by the school to take me to a child psychologist.... I see now why she was reluctant! I've managed the condition all my life and am thankful to my mum , God rest her!
Man. I was really down-in-the-dumps awake in the middle of the night. Then, I watched this. Put things into perspective for me. It could be MUCH worse.
Excactly, iv had to check myself a few times too, this day in age we think we struggle? But could u imagine having to endure wot these pepl went frew? Left for years being neglected, suffering, basically torrured, and forgotten about, so sad 😥 i struggle with my own mental health, but imagine being put in a place like this? Wow 😢
I worked on restoring an old asylum a few years ago. They keep it open as a museum now. I'd walk those long halls and stand in some rooms with tears in my eyes. You can feel the horror and the ghosts in the place. There's even one room with the outline of a woman on the floor from where she died and rotted away on the floor and nobody found her for months. She just ran off and hid. Laid down and died. These were true houses of horror.
Supposedly after the closing of many mental hospitals, there is mental outcare for former patients, however these centers were not utilized by people with mental illness either because follow up wasn't given to them, or it cre1
That poor lady. So terribly sad. I spent years in and out of psychiatric wards in the 90s onwards. Horrendous places. Even now, but now it's mostly because they don't help people
Maybe if they were properly staffed and thoroughly monitored by outside agencies it could be different. Here in the US, there are people living out in the streets that look to need care
This is why my grandma never got my father diagnosed with autism and covered it with him "being shy." It didn't matter that my father was born in the 1960s and grew up in the 70s and 80s with the improvements, she was scared to death for my dad because she had heard the horror stories. So when I was diagnosed at age 12 it was a learning experience for my dad, who never knew he was autistic too. He made sure grandma was in the loop about my care so she wouldn't have to worry about me. It gave her peace of mind to know that I wasn't going to a horrid place just because I had trouble communicating and understanding other people.
In the 1970s, my grandfather, a Lord, with a seat in the chamber in London, tanned my arse with a paddling board for showing signs of autism and ADHD. Twas not a gentlemanly way to treat one's grandson.
I find out myself last year that I'm autistic. I got testing done years ago and nobody said anything about it until last July. Which makes sense to me now on why I act and acted in certain ways.
I am also autistic.. diagnosed last year late in life..my dad though has has bi polar for years..he indurred some of these treatments..like the electric shock treatment..I remember having to see my dad in one of these places..nower days he barely goes out..he has early onset dementure and is almost non responsive to anyone
My Grandad was committed to Severalls for over 20 years after WWII, then they just put him out with no follow up care or medication. My heart breaks for the thousands of souls that were subject to asylum that probably never really needed to be there. 😢
I was always under the impressions of 1. You go in there not needing to be in there and come out (if you ever did) in a mental state worthy of actually needing to be admitted. And 2. Most of the DOCTORS were the ones that really needed to be patients in there.
I 100% agree with both of those statements. Most of those Dr's. and nurses were sadistic monsters. They should have been locked in an underground bunker so no one could hear them scream.
I’m 60 now, but one of my father’s sisters was always a mystery. She was very rarely spoken of and we saw her very infrequently despite living very nearby. As a kid I thought of her fondly, she was always nervous with us but very happy when it happened. She was killed by a car walking home from the liquor store when I was in college. Many years later my sister obtained our aunt’s records for her lengthy psychiatric stays when she was a teen. Her “crime”? Promiscuity. Buried in the pages describing her acting out was a single note about ongoing sexual abuse by her father-my son of a bitch grandfather.
Your poor Auntie-- punished for the crimes of her 'father'. Bless you for remembering her true spirit. Thank you for sharing her tragedy with us-- I will do an act of kindness in her honor.
ECT when done properly is life saving, it brought me out of a terrible place and then kept me out, know ECT is not done the way it’s shown in the video
I’ve had 25 ECT treatments over the course of a year. ECT actually helped my severe medication resistance depression. I was put under each time and subsequently had very small seizures measured by a slight movement of my toes. I would be very tired for the rest of the day and most of the next. I CANNOT imagine going through this without anesthesia. Thank God, I was never in any pain. However, ECT was only part of the solution. I also had CBT and DBT therapy. The only lasting effects of ECT is an extreme memory loss of certain parts of my past. My short term memory is also not great but I am able to function daily. In hindsight, I think I could have done with far less than 25 treatments. My memory may not have been as affected. Anyway, I am doing great now and credit many things with my recovery.
ECT can still help people with severe med-resistant depression too. So the idea is scary, but it's not used lightly, & it's not administered in the same way. It saved a very suicidal family member of mine...
Anyone who's too old or different or pregnant not married or bored in life or different the slightest bit or just to old. Or state took you bc it would be better for everyone.
So true...My grandmother was found dead in an asylum in Australia, having been left out on a verandah in the freezing cold temperatures overnight, while suffering from double pneumonia at the time. There was no investigation into neglect on the part of any workers regarding how and why she died.
There's a lot of spin in this documentary, and also a lot missed out. Women were sent to asylums for having illegitimate children, or because their husbands had them committed, or for masturbation. They were given clitorectomies and left there to die. They were horrendous places. There was also a revolving door with the old workhouses, people were shuffled from one to the other. But they were closed to save money, and not for any high principle. Patients were turned out onto the street and not actually given "care in the community" or support after being institutionalised for decades. Many landed up on the streets, and many people now who live on the streets suffer from mental illnesses. The asylums were not a solution to the problem, but closing them was not a solution either. Now that "residential" care has been privatised patients in them are vulnerable to abuse, cost-cutting and bad treatment. But the government can just shift the blame onto the private care providers. We really do deserve better all round.
There are still Government Run Mental Hospitals that have long term patients. In The USA, the Coroner can deem a patient who has for example, someone who tried to commit suicide, needs to be put in the State Run Mental Hospital for their own good. And if the Coroner admits a patient to a State Run Mental Hospital, that disregards any insurance a person has that may allow them to go to a "nicer" private hospital! I had a friend this happened to, and while she was forced to stay in the STILL HORRIBLE State Run Hospital, there were men who were Janitors who tried to rape her, and when she convinced them of who she is married to, they stopped, but other women were not so lucky. She befriended 2 other women in there who were basically in the same position she was. One morning, one of the other women wasn't at breakfast. Later, when they finally saw her, she was catatonic and couldn't even speak. When they approached her, her eyes widened in terror and she coward away from them, as if she had never met them. Even though at that point, they had stuck together for nearly 4 months. My friends husband works in a fairly powerful position, he could not get her released. She had to do everything they said, step by step, day by day, to convince them she was okay emotionally, in order to get released. She was there for almost a year. This happened only a little over 3 years ago! I also didn't think that a family member could still have someone committed, but that's how one of the other women ended up in there. Oh, and she did later find out the one woman had been given electric shock therapy. I also thought they quit using that! She also knew that some of the older patients had been severely abused and raped, but they didn't have anyone to tell. And without physical evidence to prove what went on and goes on in there, she can't do anything about it. I'm livid that this crap still continues to this day.
@@jackiemarini3203 What's even worse, children were dropped off and the parents never went back for them, most just because they decided children were a mere inconvenience. Oh, but today, in some States now, people can decide they don't want the baby and the Dr can just murder the baby upon delivery, like in New York. I'm appalled about what is going on in our societies today. WORSE, DeBlasio CELEBRATED the passing of their Bill that gives them the authority to murder any unwanted babies. I'm sick just posting that this is true.
The problem now is for patients who need to be admitted for suicidal thoughts and so on theres never enough beds at psychiatric facilities so, they linger in the emergency room for days some times a week or more. The nurses get aggravated because they have to sit and watch them 24/7. They can't shower because they're aren't showers in the emergency room department. They can't use the bathroom without someone watching them, they just lay there waiting for a bed to open up some place. And if they don't have insurance they have to find a place that will take someone who's uninsured. Not to mention how many mentally ill people end up living on the streets. Some people need to be in a hospital. Instead we have mentally ill patients living in the streets dieing in gutters all alone. I don't agree with how mentally I'll people were treated back then but, we need more facilities for people who really need them. The mentally ill are still looked down on. We like to think things have gotten better for these people but, they haven't.
I was sent to Linden Oaks Hotel a long time ago they thought the brightest thing in the world was to put me on Zoloft, the treatment of that stuff I wont go into only I was thought 2 be mental, I have dev delay and it didn't help my brain. Visitors were kept to 2 per person, you had to have supervised meals, if you brought in say book it had to be marked with your name. My parents had to be careful bringing stuff to me, I can go on and on. Nowadays due to that, some ppl-they havent yet- think I need to be in a new asylum called a group home bc I'm' running around lose,'
I once met an Elderly woman over in Perth who actually went through a place similar to this.Who Horrifically endured torture and pain electric shocks and so forth..It saddens me so much I felt the pain looking through this woman’s eyes..honestly this lady is an angel in my eyes..god bless everyone who has gone through places like these..it makes me wonder how some people could do this to Another human being..all so very heartfelt ❤️❤️..thank you for sharing this clip as you too are an angel at heart..keep up the great work.😀
There is a place, a small town in Belgium, called Geel, wich has been caring for people with psychiatric problems, within its community, as a whole, for a very, very long time. In, as much that the mentality of its inhabitants has, over the years, develloped into, an understanding, and caring one. Worth looking into for ayone concerned... The result is truly remarkable.
I saw a recent documentary that was like that. I don't know if it was the same place, but I'm so glad there are positive changes in a few places. The problem is that the poor will never have access, at least not in N America. Canada is getting more like the US all the time, and turning into an evil empire. It's a Trumpist MAGAt infested nightmare.
Luxury flats in a former mental asylum sound like a perfect setup for a horror movie. Either way, I wouldn't want to live there no matter how luxurious it's gonna be. That place has way too much negative energy.
holy shit at 13:00 when that dude says 'i had the misfortune of recommending about 15 lobotomies'. - i really don't think you were the misfortunate one pal.
johnba291972 I agree but I think he meant he was remorseful for having anything to do with the lobotomy’s being done because they didn’t know back then that it was horrible 😕
I work in a LTC facility and it's videos like these that help me maintain a level head and compassion for my residents when they have a bad day. No law abiding citizen deserves a low quality of life and loss of freedoms and love because they're ill or bad tempered. We still have a lot of work to do in these residential facilities and as employees we don't have much pull in the big changes but we can help in the little ways with a little patience, kindness, and caring...
When I was a CNA back in the day, I'd think about every resident as if they were my grandparent. It was really hard sometimes🙄😑. Especially the scary lady that pulled me onto her lap and bit down on my back hard af. She for sure wanted to kill me. I saw it in her eyes lol. AlI I knew was that if I was frustrated then they had to be fed tf up with it all. Keep calm, go cry in a room by yourself, breathing exercises, find a favorite resident and make them your friend. Whatever it takes.
@angelidez13 That compassion makes ALL the difference for your patients. Thank you for remembering that. It would be a good thing if watching documentaries like this were made mandatory for mental healthcare workers when they are first brought in, and then every few months after to keep perspective. Continued training in care techniques and being hired for a higher wage in exchange for better quality workers is desperately needed as well.
@@donavonseibert507 Exactly, I had my handful of really sweet patients and spending time with them always made it worth it. Even with the scratch marks and bruises covering my arms from the Vietnam vets lol
At 44, I find it hard to believe that these places continued to operate well into my lifetime. Growing up, I always thought such institutions were already a thing of the past, but I see that many of them, both in Britain and here in America, were still open during the eighties and early nineties.
Yes. I came to America in the 80s and they were going through the same process in the early 70s. There's a similar documentary too, I remember seeing it in the 90s. Everyone making key decisions has peoples best interest at heart but, of course, govt. decisions are based on finance and expedience...
When I was 7 the babysitter took me to a state mental hospital where her husband was. It was literally the thing of movies and legend. Scary, bad, not a place to take a 7 year old.
This makes me want to cry. I have some issues that I've dealt with since I was a little girl. To think I would have to go through some of these things back then...It's awful.😢😢😢 Bless all the people that were subject to abuse in asylums.
Take care of yourself. You are a superstar. Poor poor people. Thank everything my sister and brothers were always there to look after my mum and dad. My dad died few years ago. He had Alzheimer’s in later life but well looked after in later life in Annfield care home Stirling. he was 98 when he passed away. My mum died year before age 97. I wish I could go back and help them.
I have many myself and am SOOOO GRATEFUL to have been born in the 90's AFTER these places were closed down. It's a really terrifying thought that had I been born 5 or 10 years earlier that I might have been put into one myself. I have autism and bi-polar disorder, so there's no doubt in my mind that I might very well have ended up in one of these places. Thanks to my autism i'm a little bit slow with understanding certain things and as a result when I cant get something I get frustrated rather easily which would lead to outbursts in school.
Texas went through a deinstitutionalization back in the day. The community support never materialized, and now our prisons have become the warehouse of choice for our mentally ill.
True - I watch a lot of prison documentaries and they stated that if they had proper mental health services, there would a lot less ppl in prisons and less need for prisons.
I have a friend who was in a mental institution a few years ago, and they still throw water over patient's heads. Things haven't changed as much as we'd like to think.
They treated me like complete sh!t. Doped me up. I had fits of anger because how they were treating me and they had 5 guards on me and injected me with some medication I don't know what it was. Then throw you in a cell with a thin mattress on the floor and no blanket. I was freezing. It was awful.
My mother had postnatal depression in the1940s Her treatment was insulin therapy .I often wondered whether it was a contrbuting factor to her pancreatic cancer.
I was a patient in high roads about twenty five years ago. It was a hell hole. There’s been abuse going on in there against patients of every type of abuse trust me I know .
I work with disabled adults in a very fun day care center.. most of the. Sadly would be in places like this.. what they don’t know is me myself would have been in somewhere like this too. Each night I take a tablet, each day at work I use the tools that I have been showed to get through the day and get home to my children whilst suffering ptsd/anxiety/post natal illness and some depression.. I am glad I live now! I am glad that professionals are trained in look after people in the community. I’m glad that medications are available to help those who like me have problems.. the thought of not working or not having my living children or husband, watching this is heartbreaking
I was told for 13 years I was mentally ill and my mom believed it till I was proven autistic and not insane at all at 25 I'm 40 now and no psyche meds or asylums and no shrinks or pill pushing Dr's..but I feel so awful for the victims of these places..God bless them and God rest them 😢❤
I totally agree with you! Fortunately, by the late 1980s, the approach to mental health had improved greatly in comparison to the 1960s-70s! Electric shock treatments and lobotomies were brutal! I feel sorry for Rosemary Kennedy, who got a lobotomy in 1941, and Eduard Einstein who received electric shock treatments! I believe that there will be future improvements in how the mentally ill will be treated by mental health specialists. For now, psychiatrists are stuck on the paradigm of approaching every mental health problem with a psychotropic drug. Psychologists are stuck on the Freudian/Darwinian paradigm of mental health issues. Hopefully, psychiatrists and psychologists will learn that there is a God, and that they need God's help in guiding patients to a better life!
Unfortunately back in the day, when President Reagan and the activists decided that it would be such a great plan to replace the mental hospitals with neighborhood halfway houses (that nobody wanted in their neighborhoods), nursing homes, & sending patients home to their families, they didn't take into consideration the many people who had spent much of their lives institutionalized & couldn't live on the outside or the people who actually needed to be in institutions. Instead of making the hospitals better, they just opened the doors & released people; many of them couldn't then (or now) take care of themselves.😢😡😥
Having a hypoglycaemic attack is a horrible feeling. The confusion is unreal I couldn’t imagine being mentally unwell and going through that. My partner witnessed his first episode recently and he had no idea what was going on because I was screaming crying passing out etc. he thought I was having a mental breakdown. I have no idea how they could have ever thought doing this would cure people
I'm sorry I have low blood sugar. It causes anxiety attacks its so scary. The doctors are the lunatics. It's to do with post war fascism. Good old Enoch Powell. Truth speaker.
My mum worked in a home that first integrated patients when they started to close the hospitals. One Resident ( William ) was in that hospital for over 50 years and the reason he was admitted? He didn’t talk as a boy. Tragic! A down syndrome woman ( Janet ) had reoccurring conjunctivitis and the hospitals answer was to permanently sew her eyelid shut! She had also had all her teeth taken out because she bit someone. Absolutely barbaric.
I live in Canada, grew up in the province of Alberta. When my grandfather had to go to the nursing home in our city, because of a stroke that left him unable to walk, talk or take care of himself, my grandmother had taken care of him until he started to fall, and she could not lift him. In there were Chinese residents who had been there from early childhood, because they were mentally retarded and considered useless burdens by their families. This was in the 30s and 40s when the children were just left and the families never visited them. I was young enough to want to ask a nurse why an old folks home had mentally retarded residents. She reluctantly told me , understanding I would keep asking until somebody told me. The 40 year old man who was my grandfather's roommate was in my eyes a little young to be there. He could not speak clearly, but was very active and friendly, and seemed to understand when my grandfather grunted , what he wanted or needed. I saw he was not mentally retarded, he could take care of himself, always very neat and clean, loved my grandfather and took care of him. Why was he here, made no sense, my Mom got the story before I could ask a nurse, it is very sad. He came from a large family of around 12 kids, they lived on a farm. He was born normal, but they found that he could not speak clearly, people at that time had little extra money to spend on Doctors so his Dad assumed he was retarded and he never got treatment for his issue or went to school. The mother knew he had normal intelligence , but her opinion was discounted. He came in as a child when his mother died and none of his older siblings wanted him, nor his father, so he was put in an old folks home. The nurses soon realized he could understand perfectly well, and let him help out . It kept him busy and he was so happy to help other residents and do what ever he could to help the nurses. I am sure that he must have cried at night for being taken away and for losing the only person who truly loved him. The staff did their best to make him feel loved, but they knew this was not an ideal place for a child. This happened more often than people realized. The other choice would have been an asylum which would have been awful. He was lucky in a way that he was where he was. My grandmother went into the same place but not on the same ward, and he helped lift the burden of caring for my granddad to a great extent for my grandmother who could not see well . It was a black hole in the middle of her vision and she had hazy periferal vision and soon was completely blind. My Mom in her 40's started to have the same condition with her eyes, but it has progressed much more slowly, she is 99 going to be 100 in October and she no longer can read because the letters get mixed up and has a very hard time to write. I guess he most likely has passed on, but I will always remember his happiness and the love he had for my grandfather. My granddad had never been sick as an adult, always healthy and doing woodwork . Than this stroke came and deprived him of not just his abilities to move and speak, but his sense of worth but his room mate somehow helped him accept his new reality but also thrive emotionally. Our family owes him a great debt. I will fore ever see in my mind's eye how he would take my hand and chat away and take me to see granddad. I may not have understood his words but I understood his Heart of Service for others. We were his family and he made sure to his best ability to create Joy . This child, despite the hard circumstances, made the choice to live the best life he could and he did much more . He is one of my Heros of my childhood.
at the age of 34 I was put into a mental institution for what later they described as schizoaffective and bipolar disorder. they put me through atleast 10 ECT's and to be honest at first it really helped me calm myself but then later I noticed that I have short term memory loss like I couldn't remember what I did the day before or two hours before and I think it was all because of the ECT treatments that I had done on me! so it came with the good in the bad I'm just glad that they put you to sleep before they do it now! I couldn't imagine getting an ECT treatment without putting you to sleep first?
I understand this completely, I worked at a State Hospital in NY State called Kings Park State Hospital as did most of my family. Horrible stories. We had padded rooms no longer used and straight jackets in our store house where I also worked and saw lobotomy tools still in their boxes. Here in the states we had terrible things happen to patients and stuff in my day but we were told to never talk outside about it.
My first job at 15 years old was in a large teaching hospital named Brockhall near Whalley in Lancashire, it was a hospital for what they now call 'learning disability' but what they called then low grade and high grade patients. There were separate wards for adult males and females and separate wards for little boys and little girls, I worked on the little boys ward, Orchid, care was regimented and most of the children had their teeth removed to prevent them from biting (despite the fact that they only bit when they were being cruelly treated). The first job in the morning was bathing them in the same bath water, cleaning all their teeth with the same toothbrush and dressing them out of a bag of clothes, it was a production line. Feeding was done by strapping them to chairs and feeding out of the same bowl with the same spoon. I loved taking the mobile ones out to play in the garden, those that were not mobile were left in cots. Some of the children were babies, I always remember one beautiful little boy that was deaf and blind, he was left in a play pen and spun round all the time, he responded to touch and clearly was not mentally ill. Parents did NOT want to get rid of these children, doctors forced them to institutionalise them, many many parents were devastated but were given no support whatsoever. Many years later when Brockhall closed they moved many to Calderstones and I worked for a time rehabilitating people into the community, that too seemed cruel because they were so used to their surroundings and routines, many had no family and had been drugged up for years. I could go on and on, very devastating times which I can never ever forget.
Ron B it’s not just empty words that has to occur and there’s no magic time. The moment you accept Christ’s sacrifice which paid for every one of our sins, on the cross, and BELIEVE it and have faith. No one can get to our Father, except through His Son, Jesus Christ. He knows your heart and intention, always. He wants as many of His children as possible, to come back to Him without force. The devil is “allowed, for a short time,” to tempt your heart. That’s your gift of free will. You can’t know good without evil and evil without good. It’s your choice. Choose Eternal Life in Christ, not death.
Having visited two psychiatric hospitals in London a couple of years ago on a few occasions, I can tell you things are still very bad. Desolate places with very little overseeing of what's going on or care. Patient on patient violence. Depressing environment. Terrible food. All they do is giving patients drugs, sometimes by force. No meaningful therapy and zero activity. Like prisons, although I'd personally prefer to be in a prison. My friend only got worse and worse there. He was lucky he could eventually go to the Priory. Most people don't have that chance and instead are left at the mercy of a brutal and marginalised system. So sad. How about the BBC does a documentary about what's happening RIGHT NOW?
Mimi Cracra thank you for sharing your wonderful story..l went to visit a friend of a friend in a place in Melbourne,it was really bad there as l seen people hitting there heads on the walls,people screaming..also people hurting one another..l watched the staff there do nothing to stop any of it...shocking to think no one gives a dam about these people..Frightened me so much l had to wait out side..l cannot believe that it still goes on in this day an age...
@@sorianakhuba9939 and what would you have happen insted? In an age where people prefer to think hardcore mental illness doesn't exist anymore you can hardly do much more than keep them in a box and sedate them, wouldn't be good optics to try and do somthing pro-active like find a medical solution
Geraldo did a documentary about a “hospital that was the epitome of deplorable. Patients, most of whom were dumped because they needed a minimum of care to special needs children who needed basic needs, and would be totally neglected and sometimes starved to death in this hospital
Electro-Convulsive Therapy is still used today, though it doesn't look nearly as dramatic as this. Patients are put to sleep and then given a muscle relaxant so they don't thrash and hurt themselves. A blood pressure cuff is often placed around the ankle so the muscle relaxant doesn't reach the foot and the doctors can see if the electricity is working. After they're done, the patient is woken up and gets to go home in about 30 minutes. It's an outpatient procedure and even can be used on patients with heart problems. Much safer than it was back then.
Agreed. I suffered from unresponsive bipolar disorder for many years- forty and more. During a hospitalization, I asked about ECT. They agreed, and I had several treatments in the hospital. They worked quite well, giving me relief from the symptoms. Over the past ten years I've had several more courses of ECT. They're inconvenient and uncomfortable, but well worth it.
Caitlin Minor and it slowly deteriorates your memory and requires more and more treatments. Not a good answer.... purposely inflicting a seizure? No way!
I have seen both positive and neutral outcomes from ECT. I have seen the 180 of a woman who suffered severe depression. Within 12 months, she would be back down and require more ECT. We had a set of twin women in their 60s who would be in every 6 months to treat their bipolar. They would come in, heads down, dishevelled, non communicative and hygiene no existent. After their rounds of ECT over 2 weeks, they would near be skipping, laughing and all around new people. They swore by it. What works for some doesn't work for others.
This was hard to watch. I've never felt so many emotions at once. So many brave people having to cope and adapt to living in and treated like s**t. I understand now, why my nan and mum kept epilepsy in our family secret.
My own experiences will always be remembered to take your medicine as directed without stopping them. This will save bad consequences down the road of getting better.
The mistreatment of these patients was horrific ! I saw a documentary last week about one if the Kennedy sisters being locked up in an institution and lobotomized. The family was ashamed of her because the wasnt " normal" and they had to keep up an image to the public. There are skeletons in everyones closet . Even our public figures we all look up to and admire. Im glad that medicine for the mentally ill has progressed ,but we still have a very long way to go.
She was probably the normal one in the fam but they need robotic obedient people to perform.. same with generational narcissistic abusive families, the scapegoat has empathy and they want to destroy that because you have a mind of your own and care for people, very hideous stuff with a lot of programming and gaslighting. I’ve researched this stuff for a long time, mindblowing these similarities, also educational books on detachment parenting that was promoted, like Spock the man came from a dis functional family..
It's scary knowing that had I been born back then I'd likely be in an institution like this since I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression early this year. I'm glad things have changed
As the sister of a mentally unstable brother that has tortured our entire family with his episodes (not taking meds, physically assaulting each of us at one point or another, etc), we need to bring back some sort of institutionalization for some people with severe mental illness. Not only for their safety and security but for ours as well!
My grandfather was violently attacked by a mentally ill man who was kept at home in the family. He jumped my grandpa and smashed his head in, cracked his skull, almost murdered him in broad daylight if people had not interfered. Some people have to be in locked facilities when they are dangerous and violent because they are a danger to society. My grandpa barely survived this brutal attack and was never the same after that.
I agree with you, community care is all good and well but what if the person is so sick that they need constant treatment, I see people walking around on a daily basis that can not cope alone and then they invariably end up either in prison or living rough, comittting crimes to survive - it is not fair on them or us
how sad is it that at one point we had too many beds sending people who didn't even need mental help now we are on the complete opposite end now we don't have any beds or support for people in desperate need of help
I had a friend who had schizophrenia and she was given electric shocks treatment she agreed to it so she could have her children back it made her very calm and seemed to help but very barbaric I thought it scared the crap out of me just seeing the table she had to lay on and the probes were at the side still gives me the chills I would always say to her are you sure but she said that she had to God Bless her I haven’t heard from her for ages
Geraldo Rivera started the deinstitution with his examination of Willowbrook in 1972. Yes, the asylum were emptied but the majority of those released were not given community care and ended up in another system, the penal system. At one time the LA County jail dispensed more psychotropic drugs than any other place in the US.
They got a lot better in the 70's. Now they live in HUD subsidized housing, sometimes creating millions of problems for landlords, who aren't equipped to deal with mental illness. They don't train them or offer some kind of orientation for transitioning to independence. Now, the system allows millions to fall through the cracks.
@Jason Bouphasavanh I've been navigating the government programs for this for a member of my family. The only thing that can be done is "to have a member of their family " put aside their own personal life so that they can take care of them on a 24 hour every day care.
I was an emotional teen (puberty gone wrong) and a few times, when I got emotional (cried, got angry), my mom would snap, "do you need to go to the mental hospital?!"
That is the history of mankind - *homo-sapien sapien* - created in god's image. Lol. (Free will is a lark to me). Lepers were segregated and food rations taken to them in the Middle East. It is highly contagious, so quarantine makes sense, but they didn't have true homes. They wandered about, living in caves, abandoned buildings and any makeshift shelter (perhaps mines as well). Jews, Christians and polytheist - all treated them the same way, despite Jesus' supposed example.
You could say that about most kinds of medical proseses of the past if you look at it with modern knolage. In time it's likly your profession may well be looked down on as being lesser with future knolage
@@gettinglost316 :You have a very good point about changes/advances in medicine...doctors would go from one woman in labor and delivery, but never wash or cleanse their hands. Women were dying in numbers due to "childbirth fever", and I believe that it was Louis Pasteur discovered this: rinse your hands in Catholic acid in between patients. This was life changing news for sure. Childbirth fever was finally under control, so to speak. 🌞🏨
I worked as a RN at Milledgeville State Hospital also known as Central State Hospital in Milledgeville, Georgia USA. KWhen the announcer stated massive hospitals he’s wrong. Milledgeville was 16,000 beds/patients. Has the absolute largest kitchen under one roof in the world. Yet Milledgeville was only the third largest hospital in America. Care was catch as catch can. Over crowding, malpractice, neglect and a demeaning routine. One state hospital for the largest state east of the Mississippi River. Building after building, Ward after Ward. The hospital has a cemetery with 26,000 graves. Some one removed the markers so no one knows where a persons grave can be found! Now just a shadow of its former self I remains a stigma on the state and the people.
I am so glad that the approach to mental health issues is so far removed from the dark days off the asylum, elctro-convulsive therapy and lobotomy, as someone with mental health issues in my later years I have no doubt that even 40-50 years ago I would have faced a vey torrid time, my doctors aren’t sure exactly why I am having trouble with my cognitive abilities but won’t just assign my issues a ‘label’, back in the days of the asylum I think my condition would have booked me a place on a ward, I feel so sorry for the millions of people that went through the asylum system when they we’re not necessarily needing to be ‘hospitalised’, conditions that today would be treated on an outpatient basis, I wonder what some of those who lived and died in the asylum could have achieved if they were treated in a more humane and sympathetic way. Thanks for sharing this interesting and informative documentary, very emotive and saddening, but nonetheless interesting. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴 P.S listening to the doctor treating Maggie he was probably doing what the treatment of the time considered the best way of treating her, but today we would consider it barbaric and worthless, I don’t blame her for being angry and unforgiving, she, and many others should receive an unreserved apology and some form of compensation, as Maggie said it was nothing less than assault. When the patients were finally ‘discharged’ from the ‘hospital’ they were abandoned by the health care system and left with very little in the way of support from the welfare system, perhaps if these poor people had been given that support, instead of police using excessive force to arrest a person with mental health issues then maybe the very small amount of violent attacks wouldn’t have happened.
The same happened in the States. It was far more a political and financial issue than anything to do with mental health care. Many who were sent back to their families were patients the families couldn't cope with in the first place 30 years prior. Nothing had changed in the patients condition & the "family" was 30 years older. It didn't take long before they took to the streets and the family could do nothing about it. Others were supposed to go into 1/2 way houses to learn to adapt- but these were never provided. Those who needed medication to keep from being a danger to themselves and others were to receive "outpatient care"- which meant they'd be fine as long as they took their medications....except they DIDN'T take them & nobody could find them until they committed a crime. To assign a probation officer or overseer required $$ & manpower and lost votes ! Suddenly , we had thousands of homeless overnight & the situation persists. If you have a sick child and therapy & meds don't help him- by the time he is grown NOBODY can send him to Hosp. but HIMSELF. So parents have to live in fear of their own child. I'm pleased with people being able to manage their own health care & glad there is the ability to live a normal life outside an institution for all those who had relatively minor problems to begin with. But having nowhere to send the seriously ill and dangerous patients is a folly we've lived to regret & has helped neither society OR the PATIENT.
What can I say? Except that it isn't fair!!!!!!!!!! The people united will Never be defeated But we the Working class are to busy Fighting against Themselves The prisons are full Of these poor people -= the prisons are Privatised and the Poor the disabled The Mentally. Disturbed Black people the and killers are worth A fortune to the corporations who Own them
Yes, there are definitely problems with mental health treatment in the US. When I was still living there I noticed that in some settings, people are not treated with dignity or are put in inappropriate settings. They are not assessed properly or sometimes an organization, such as the YWCA, will take certain residents even though they are inappropriate for that low level of care because they want the money for those people. Also, there are issues with medication. However, I believe that overall, mental health treatment in the US is better than in England. There are more provider choices as well as greater opportunities to create a treatment plan specific to your needs. Many counselors or therapists do not know how to deal with displaced Americans, which has become a big issue. England is behind, and that's saying something given the problems with mental health treatment in the US.
"Mental illness" patients can improve by encouraging, as far as possible, personal independence. Enabling patients to do appropriate work would be enormously beneficial.
My poor mum was locked in one for 25 years. I remember many times visiting. Or running off to visit mum on my own... Big old Victorian place it was. This was 1980s when I was 13 nd would visit mum.
I think there will be something to be said about the use of medication for mental health issues. As effective & helpful as they may be; neuroleptics (anti-psychotics) & antidepressants are dangerous and cause chemical brain damage... we're all too quick to just give people a pill instead of actually helping them... just my $0.02
As a kid who had electroshock treatments in the early 90' under the age of 7 because I was depressed and anorexic... Ask me again what I think about psychiatric ward 20 years later..... As in today.... You don't need a hundred years to realize what we are doing and get that we need to stop.
I always wonder this about many subjects, each decade we slate the fashion of a few decades past.... What will we be wearing in the future to look back at today's clothing and laugh!
Here in the United States sadly around 1980 our then President Jimmy Carter made major strides for the mentally ill, then President Ronald Reagan repealed almost everything President Carter fought for and so many of those mentally struggling were pushed out of the institutions and became homeless, very sad.
Right. These Republicans don't care about the mentally ill. There still is a stigma and although we came far from those barbaric treatments, more work needs to be done
Kerching and a kerching ..say no more $$$$ sad he didn't put the money where his mouth was whilst in power and instead acted like a turkey to a gobble of a gobble with greed. So much more would of been accomplished from position to those years than a lifetime which continues to be wasted on greed and spoilt brat attitudes to their own self glorifying ways .
Reagan showed there’s no value of education or the ill. He made millions dollars worth of budget cuts in education programs and schools as well particularly for the poor. Unfortunately the sick and poor were always the ones suffering for the selfish monetary agenda of the house.
@@SM-fy2im You must be an Obama Common Core failure. Republicans are PRO life while Democrats are PRO death and don't give a damn about anyone being murdered.
I started my psychiatric nurse training in 1991. I was 18. I worked in an old Victorian hospital. I certainly think things needed to change, but I did feel sorry for some patients who had been there all their lives, but had to leave the safety and security of the institution.
@Sly Sutton most of the inmates in prisons ,have mental health probs ,sum are pysczoprennia, bi polar, disorder ,or just mentally insane ,I have seen it for myself ,but no one in prison get help, infact there is no mental health imprison, coz the officers n medics didn't care less ,in their eyes they'd say so what !! It's not changed at all
I saw a documentary on the Mental facility that Briarcliff from Asylum, American Horror Story was based on, and it said that the facility was CONDEMNED in 1967, yet it didnt close till 1987! So Sad!
These places grew out of the Middle Ages with ignorance about mental health. Plus, there was a religious notion - that the affected were morally flawed, not sick.
Just do-gooders thinking these places were icky and if they couldn't see the institution the problem would just go away, the governments of the day saw a pound saved and went along with it.
Oh my word these poor, poor people. If it was someone I loved I would have been devastated. I am diabetic and before I was diagnosed my sugar was so low that I had a fit. It was awful and I felt so tired and drained afterwards. Thank Our Heavenly Father it’s a thing of the past and I’m praying the awful things are over now. That was so,so sad. The poor patients were stripped of their dignity completely
Many were wrongly diagnosed. I was one such . Spent many months incarcerated. drugged ECT. Then dumped in an uncaring "community". In fact I had and have M.E, and live quietly and simply alone now, At peace with my illness. But never trusting any doctor. They were appalling places . I saw such abuse and cruelty and despair.
The nature of Mental Health care in America is abysmal at best right now. So many more advancements in proactive care and independent or assisted living housing need to be implemented.
Exactly! I was in a group home back in 2008-2009 that got shut down a few years back due to how bad it was. Another one I was in, just last year staff got caught raping students. The units at the hospitals aren't any better.
My grandmother in the 50s was a diagnosed manic depressive (Bipolar disorder) she was always trying to commit suicide in the canal every single week, then she was sectioned to a psychiatric hospital and had to have electric shock therapy, when that didn’t work she had a lobotomy. She lived a long healthy life and died warm in her bed as an old lady. I’m 21 now and she’s passed the same disorder down to me. I am a diagnosed manic depressive.
I worked in Veteran's home and a resident got electric shock and he would come back up eat and could walk. He had Parkinson's and it helped him with depression. He would go once a month . It was amazing
I worked in a State mental hospital. It wasn't as bad as this, as things had improved greatly by the 80's. But I had Patients that were dropped off there at age 5 because of seizures and died there at 94. Had no understanding of the outside world. Sweetest people. Some employees abused them, and got away with it. We could use these hospitals now for the homeless with mental illnesses who need supervision to take meds, but it would need strict supervision to prevent abuse.
I worked in a hospital in New Zealand and wayward girls were left there in the forties and fifties. Honestly they should have been in the community. In the seventies they had to be diagnosed with a learning disability. (severe). To be admitted. Delia Morris
It was just as bad in the Middle Ages, at the peak of Christian power in Europe and the US. Only Quakers forwarded humane treatment here in the US, focused on fresh air, country life, exercise and of course, spirituality. Sadly, the Quakers are only a shadow of what they used to be. I don't know why. They were vocal in abolition.
US HERE - As a person who has spent roughly 3 separate weeks in hospital units for mental illness, this topic intrigues and even frightens me. I'm sad that we don't have mental hospitals anymore in the US. As a result, many more are now homeless and vulnerable. The best ones had both inpatient and outpatient facilities and advanced medical breakthroughs and boasted progressive attitudes toward mental illness. Some people will always need a modicum of supervision and will not fit into society at large.
GaslitWorld f. Melissa B you don’t have mental hospitals in the US?? Wtf! Do people just go to a regular hospital then? It’s crazy to me considering the unique care/treatment most mental health issues/concerns require for any chance of recovery!
@@Be149xo yes we do have mental hospitals in the US. They are usually state run. A mental hospital usually houses long term patients. Regular hospitals all have a psychiatric wards and are used for patients requiring short term hospitalizations.
I too have spent time in hospital for mental illness--and been pushed back out into the world because they didn't have the resources to deal with me. Luckily, I have a wonderful family with an educated background and access to many resources. In past times, I would have been a strong candidate for pre-frontal leucotomy; in 2016 I was finally diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder (I had been trying to get another psychiatric evaluation since 2003, but it took a court order from our district's Mental Health Court to get it done), which has been a huge relief because now I know that it's an actual thing, separate and distinct from (though probably triggered by) the traumatic brain injury in 1988. No known cure, but there are treatments available, and I've gone through Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) twice, and gratefully.
I did inpatient for 7 days and outpatient for 5 days. It was the best thing I ever did. It saves my life and I got very good care. It wasn't a bad experience at all. We were able to laugh and relax. I finally got proper treatment for bi polar and anxiety.
I agree. They could have reformed the system, but $$ and politics were more important than patient care. Many patients could thrive under assisted living, or nursing home style care. Now most of our most seriously ill end up in prisons where the "state" has to take care of them just like these old institutions.
Many Homeless don't want treatments because they are drug addicts! They've been asked and asked, as the Streets of cities such as, San Francisco, have become open tent cities. It smells of Urine and Feces as they have nowhere to go's, they have nowhere to shower or care for their most basic human needs.
The morality has changed and people wouldn't go in now for being homosexual, masturbating and other Victorian crimes. BUT do we have the right to lock up drug addicts, and alcoholics who live on the street since we allow free choice. I THINK we should lock up the addicts for vagrancy and see once detox ed if they are mentally ill or not. Those who are I'll need inpatient care until well enough to function elsewhere. Those who are homeless and choose addiction should end up in the penal system for vagrancy and public issues like urination and defecation on streets. Offering treatment again for addiction while incarcerated to improve lives on release. We shouldn't have to lose our cities to homeless hoards like San Francisco and Seattle have.
I read a story about a family where the son was losing his mind but doctors said they couldn't hospitalize him unless he's hurt himself or someone else. 🙄 I mean, why wait if he clearly needs help now?!
Dearest Joan: No matter what you have been through, I applaud your strength in surviving…and may I say…your eyes are so gorgeous! As to this documentary, now that it’s 2022, I think we still need state hospitals…but definitely not to be used for people to be treated as either experiments or not being validated for being human. You treat people the way YOU want to be treated (and that’s to you psychiatric nursing staff and doctors). You have no idea how unbelievably difficult it is to take on someone that you’re trying to help…but feel helpless in doing so. I know all too well. With mental health really coming into the picture, it literally wouldn’t hurt to open some new open concept type of places…that hire people that actually want to help people instead of getting a check for it. There are memories I carry that will haunt me until the end of time of my one and only son…but now…at least he is free👼.
I was in a "behavior place bc I was coming off prescription medicine with panic attacks and I could've died from what I came off from but ,some of the other patients were getting ECT and I remember that I took care of a patient they shocked so much, she had the burn on her leg where they grounded it . I couldn't believe they returned back to this evil practice ..... Electric shock therapy is so bad on memory and short term memory... These patients were diagnosed with major depression and medicine was no longer working for them .. it's so sad that they would agree to have this done but I guess some people feel hopeless. Sometimes the cure is dealing with your emotions and getting over trauma, or grief... It takes time and it's different for everyone I guess.
If A woman read books or enjoyed sex back then she was condemned as crazy and locked away for good. You also spun this story to some mistruths. You also left a good deal of information that is really important.
Damn! I’d be in there for sure, but in the basement because of the color of my skin. Everything was segregated too. These bastards did more harm than good.
I remember the Movie She-Devil , with Roseanne Barr Working in a Nursing home, she was preparing to give out medications ,but instead of giving them the sedatives, she put vitamins in their bottles. The patients were all outside playing kickball eventually. LOL
Just had to say that my Electroshock Therapy saved my mom's life. She had major depression with psychotic features and for 10 years. At one point she was on 28 pills a day which was enough to sedate her so she wouldn't have yet another suicide attempt and hospitalization. She finally tried ECT and for over 20 years she has never had a setback and is on no psych meds. This was in the late nineties and the treatments are much more humane. It has a bad rap but it literally saves lives when coupled with working with a great therapist.
The doctors had no clue how to treat these patients so how would the staff know any better? No training on something no one knew how to treat. Pretty difficult scenario.
These asylums were awful places where patients were mistreated, abused, over medicated, and subjects of experiments, no doubt in my mind. Asylums were extremely demeaning for patients as human beings. I am glad they are all closed for good and patients got back their dignity and quality of life. Very sad. It is heartbreaking to know that people were confined to asylums just for “panic attacks?” Unbelievable and appalling. Very interesting and informative video and an eye opener as to what really happened inside these institutions.
They were known as the barmy house or the loony bin,,,,,,if you did anything a little out of the ordinary people would say "you'll end up in the loony bin in burntwood
But what to do with the true psychopaths and serial killers amongst us? Prison yes but only áfter its to late and they did their harm. I fear for my three beautiful kids.
My grand mother used to tell me stories of her time in the asylum. It was horrible. All because she refused to have sex with her abusive, cheating husband. She was only 22 when she went in. She escaped at 27. She's now 79. She lives in a nursing facility now. Due to her brain not being right. They took part of her frontal lobe out. Grandma never ever stopped telling the truth of the horrible abuse she suffered. Up to the moment she lost her speech. 2 yrs now. I pray for all who suffered and still suffer today.
Lies
Sending my love💗
The world of psychiatry is not much improved today. Different assaults on the body, but the same damages.
Men could lock their wives away for very little reason and they would always take the man’s word. Some husbands wanted to get ride of their wives so they could take a younger prettier wife and would just say my wife is crazy to get ride of her. They also locked ppl away for depression, panic attacks etc. so cruel
Now you're put in jail not the assylum. If, there's a difference.
When you learn about the horrendous treatments they used back in the day , it makes you wonder if the doctors shouldn't have been committed instead of the patients !!!
That's what I said!
Looks bad, but at least back then there were beds to be admitted and get treatment. Now there is nothing.
Severe jail sentences rather than commited, but I take your point entirely.
Sooo correct, those doctors should have been commited first hahaha.
*@Travis Haynes* - You must be very young, bc you’re looking at practitioners and patients from 70 years ago with today’s eyes; _this is not only incredibly ignorant, but deeply irresponsible, spreading misinformation that the doctors were the psychopaths, and the patient were their victims._ The practitioners in the 1950s were just as committed to making the lives of their patients better, without the knowledge psychiatrists have today. As just one example, psychopaths can now be diagnosed via sophisticated brain scans. And since you probably have zero knowledge of the practice of clinical psychology today, let alone psychiatry, I’d say you’re in a very poor position to judge what happens now, let alone in the 50s.
I was born in 1973 .... Obviously had Adhd.... my mum was encouraged by the school to take me to a child psychologist.... I see now why she was reluctant! I've managed the condition all my life and am thankful to my mum , God rest her!
Stfu. Everybody has adhd. You're normal. Stop with your lifetime of excuses, already. Pathetic worm 🖕
Bless her soul✌🏻🙏
How would it be obvious that you had ADHD??
@@melaniekendall4903 sorry that wasn't clear....I meant it would be obvious looking with today's eyes
We need more mums like your in them days ❤
Man. I was really down-in-the-dumps awake in the middle of the night. Then, I watched this. Put things into perspective for me. It could be MUCH worse.
MUCH WORSE..
Excactly, iv had to check myself a few times too, this day in age we think we struggle? But could u imagine having to endure wot these pepl went frew? Left for years being neglected, suffering, basically torrured, and forgotten about, so sad 😥 i struggle with my own mental health, but imagine being put in a place like this? Wow 😢
Turn that frown upside down
Yeah. You are free and you have rights. These people did not. They were locked up, abused and experimented on all their lives.
I worked on restoring an old asylum a few years ago. They keep it open as a museum now. I'd walk those long halls and stand in some rooms with tears in my eyes. You can feel the horror and the ghosts in the place. There's even one room with the outline of a woman on the floor from where she died and rotted away on the floor and nobody found her for months. She just ran off and hid. Laid down and died. These were true houses of horror.
Old asylums amaze me such beautiful buildings . always wanted to do a ghost night in them .sadly they have all gone .. flats or some shit ..
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That poor lady. So terribly sad. I spent years in and out of psychiatric wards in the 90s onwards. Horrendous places. Even now, but now it's mostly because they don't help people
Maybe if they were properly staffed and thoroughly monitored by outside agencies it could be different. Here in the US, there are people living out in the streets that look to need care
The harm and danger we humans have done to each other. Wow.
Drug companies now are doing the harm.
@@deanvinson4032 Yes, humans bringing harm and danger to other humans via corporations.
This is why my grandma never got my father diagnosed with autism and covered it with him "being shy." It didn't matter that my father was born in the 1960s and grew up in the 70s and 80s with the improvements, she was scared to death for my dad because she had heard the horror stories. So when I was diagnosed at age 12 it was a learning experience for my dad, who never knew he was autistic too. He made sure grandma was in the loop about my care so she wouldn't have to worry about me. It gave her peace of mind to know that I wasn't going to a horrid place just because I had trouble communicating and understanding other people.
That's a smart lady! I'm sure she saved your father's life!
Brilliant move Grandma.
In the 1970s, my grandfather, a Lord, with a seat in the chamber in London, tanned my arse with a paddling board for showing signs of autism and ADHD. Twas not a gentlemanly way to treat one's grandson.
I find out myself last year that I'm autistic. I got testing done years ago and nobody said anything about it until last July. Which makes sense to me now on why I act and acted in certain ways.
I am also autistic.. diagnosed last year late in life..my dad though has has bi polar for years..he indurred some of these treatments..like the electric shock treatment..I remember having to see my dad in one of these places..nower days he barely goes out..he has early onset dementure and is almost non responsive to anyone
My Grandad was committed to Severalls for over 20 years after WWII, then they just put him out with no follow up care or medication. My heart breaks for the thousands of souls that were subject to asylum that probably never really needed to be there. 😢
I was always under the impressions of 1. You go in there not needing to be in there and come out (if you ever did) in a mental state worthy of actually needing to be admitted. And 2. Most of the DOCTORS were the ones that really needed to be patients in there.
I 100% agree with both of those statements. Most of those Dr's. and nurses were sadistic monsters. They should have been locked in an underground bunker so no one could hear them scream.
That is extremely insightful and I absolutely agree 👍
My mother wasn't a lunatic until after Winterton.
I’m 60 now, but one of my father’s sisters was always a mystery. She was very rarely spoken of and we saw her very infrequently despite living very nearby. As a kid I thought of her fondly, she was always nervous with us but very happy when it happened. She was killed by a car walking home from the liquor store when I was in college. Many years later my sister obtained our aunt’s records for her lengthy psychiatric stays when she was a teen. Her “crime”? Promiscuity. Buried in the pages describing her acting out was a single note about ongoing sexual abuse by her father-my son of a bitch grandfather.
Your poor Auntie-- punished for the crimes of her 'father'. Bless you for remembering her true spirit. Thank you for sharing her tragedy with us-- I will do an act of kindness in her honor.
Many great ideas don't travel so well. The lobotomy procedure has not in the long run.
That would be a terrible way to live.
A cousin of my Mother was put into the Asylum by her parents for having an illegitimate baby. She died in the Asylum 54 years later.
54 years :(
"ECT was terrifying for a teenager with no previous contact with psychiatry..." bruh...ECT is terrifying for anyone....
ECT when done properly is life saving, it brought me out of a terrible place and then kept me out, know ECT is not done the way it’s shown in the video
Amanda Murphy indeed. I’ve been a nurse caring for patients having the treatment and have seen a near 180 degree turn around in their lives.
I’ve had 25 ECT treatments over the course of a year. ECT actually helped my severe medication resistance depression. I was put under each time and subsequently had very small seizures measured by a slight movement of my toes. I would be very tired for the rest of the day and most of the next. I CANNOT imagine going through this without anesthesia. Thank God, I was never in any pain. However, ECT was only part of the solution. I also had CBT and DBT therapy. The only lasting effects of ECT is an extreme memory loss of certain parts of my past. My short term memory is also not great but I am able to function daily. In hindsight, I think I could have done with far less than 25 treatments. My memory may not have been as affected. Anyway, I am doing great now and credit many things with my recovery.
ECT can still help people with severe med-resistant depression too.
So the idea is scary, but it's not used lightly, & it's not administered in the same way.
It saved a very suicidal family member of mine...
What is ECT?
It’s like a horror film. Looked like perfect job opportunities for psychopaths and sadists. Who exactly was mad here?!? 😡😡
Exactly.
Anyone who's too old or different or pregnant not married or bored in life or different the slightest bit or just to old. Or state took you bc it would be better for everyone.
So true...My grandmother was found dead in an asylum in Australia, having been left out on a verandah in the freezing cold temperatures overnight, while suffering from double pneumonia at the time. There was no investigation into neglect on the part of any workers regarding how and why she died.
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There's a lot of spin in this documentary, and also a lot missed out. Women were sent to asylums for having illegitimate children, or because their husbands had them committed, or for masturbation. They were given clitorectomies and left there to die. They were horrendous places. There was also a revolving door with the old workhouses, people were shuffled from one to the other. But they were closed to save money, and not for any high principle. Patients were turned out onto the street and not actually given "care in the community" or support after being institutionalised for decades. Many landed up on the streets, and many people now who live on the streets suffer from mental illnesses. The asylums were not a solution to the problem, but closing them was not a solution either. Now that "residential" care has been privatised patients in them are vulnerable to abuse, cost-cutting and bad treatment. But the government can just shift the blame onto the private care providers. We really do deserve better all round.
I wouldn't agree more...
I have herd that there husband's would send them there just to get rid of them .How sad
There are still Government Run Mental Hospitals that have long term patients. In The USA, the Coroner can deem a patient who has for example, someone who tried to commit suicide, needs to be put in the State Run Mental Hospital for their own good. And if the Coroner admits a patient to a State Run Mental Hospital, that disregards any insurance a person has that may allow them to go to a "nicer" private hospital! I had a friend this happened to, and while she was forced to stay in the STILL HORRIBLE State Run Hospital, there were men who were Janitors who tried to rape her, and when she convinced them of who she is married to, they stopped, but other women were not so lucky. She befriended 2 other women in there who were basically in the same position she was. One morning, one of the other women wasn't at breakfast. Later, when they finally saw her, she was catatonic and couldn't even speak. When they approached her, her eyes widened in terror and she coward away from them, as if she had never met them. Even though at that point, they had stuck together for nearly 4 months. My friends husband works in a fairly powerful position, he could not get her released. She had to do everything they said, step by step, day by day, to convince them she was okay emotionally, in order to get released. She was there for almost a year. This happened only a little over 3 years ago! I also didn't think that a family member could still have someone committed, but that's how one of the other women ended up in there. Oh, and she did later find out the one woman had been given electric shock therapy. I also thought they quit using that! She also knew that some of the older patients had been severely abused and raped, but they didn't have anyone to tell. And without physical evidence to prove what went on and goes on in there, she can't do anything about it. I'm livid that this crap still continues to this day.
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What's even worse, children were dropped off and the parents never went back for them, most just because they decided children were a mere inconvenience. Oh, but today, in some States now, people can decide they don't want the baby and the Dr can just murder the baby upon delivery, like in New York. I'm appalled about what is going on in our societies today. WORSE, DeBlasio CELEBRATED the passing of their Bill that gives them the authority to murder any unwanted babies. I'm sick just posting that this is true.
@@MimiJoys I know is awful what is going on in the world .💔
The problem now is for patients who need to be admitted for suicidal thoughts and so on theres never enough beds at psychiatric facilities so, they linger in the emergency room for days some times a week or more. The nurses get aggravated because they have to sit and watch them 24/7. They can't shower because they're aren't showers in the emergency room department. They can't use the bathroom without someone watching them, they just lay there waiting for a bed to open up some place. And if they don't have insurance they have to find a place that will take someone who's uninsured. Not to mention how many mentally ill people end up living on the streets. Some people need to be in a hospital. Instead we have mentally ill patients living in the streets dieing in gutters all alone. I don't agree with how mentally I'll people were treated back then but, we need more facilities for people who really need them. The mentally ill are still looked down on. We like to think things have gotten better for these people but, they haven't.
I was sent to Linden Oaks Hotel a long time ago they thought the brightest thing in the world was to put me on Zoloft, the treatment of that stuff I wont go into only I was thought 2 be mental, I have dev delay and it didn't help my brain. Visitors were kept to 2 per person, you had to have supervised meals, if you brought in say book it had to be marked with your name. My parents had to be careful bringing stuff to me, I can go on and on. Nowadays due to that, some ppl-they havent yet- think I need to be in a new asylum called a group home bc I'm' running around lose,'
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The mentally ill also make up a lot of the prison population. There is still a stigma with seeking mental help in 2020.
Yes, its terrible. Some have been treated badly by police.
You’re damn right! Everyone wants to discuss how terrible mental health treatment was many years ago. It’s still horrific even today.
I once met an Elderly woman over in Perth who actually went through a place similar to this.Who Horrifically endured torture and pain electric shocks and so forth..It saddens me so much I felt the pain looking through this woman’s eyes..honestly this lady is an angel in my eyes..god bless everyone who has gone through places like these..it makes me wonder how some people could do this to Another human being..all so very heartfelt ❤️❤️..thank you for sharing this clip as you too are an angel at heart..keep up the great work.😀
That wouldn't have been the old "Graylands Hospital" in Perth would it? I've heard some horror stories about that place!
There are very EVIL people in this world.
There is a place, a small town in Belgium, called Geel, wich has been caring for people with psychiatric problems, within its community, as a whole, for a very, very long time. In, as much that the mentality of its inhabitants has, over the years, develloped into, an understanding, and caring one. Worth looking into for ayone concerned... The result is truly remarkable.
Geel was the home of St Dympna the patron saint of people suffering with mental illness
I saw a recent documentary that was like that. I don't know if it was the same place, but I'm so glad there are positive changes in a few places. The problem is that the poor will never have access, at least not in N America.
Canada is getting more like the US all the time, and turning into an evil empire. It's a Trumpist MAGAt infested nightmare.
Luxury flats in a former mental asylum sound like a perfect setup for a horror movie. Either way, I wouldn't want to live there no matter how luxurious it's gonna be. That place has way too much negative energy.
holy shit at 13:00 when that dude says 'i had the misfortune of recommending about 15 lobotomies'. - i really don't think you were the misfortunate one pal.
johnba291972 I agree but I think he meant he was remorseful for having anything to do with the lobotomy’s being done because they didn’t know back then that it was horrible 😕
johnba291972 although I sensed much regret seeping through as he spoke of it
@ju ju they didnt know back then. they thought it could cure them
ju ju yeah theyre just using them as guinea pigs to see what cured them. theyd try anything to find a cure and didnt see the wrong in it
ju ju im aware they haven’t gone away..
I work in a LTC facility and it's videos like these that help me maintain a level head and compassion for my residents when they have a bad day. No law abiding citizen deserves a low quality of life and loss of freedoms and love because they're ill or bad tempered. We still have a lot of work to do in these residential facilities and as employees we don't have much pull in the big changes but we can help in the little ways with a little patience, kindness, and caring...
When I was a CNA back in the day, I'd think about every resident as if they were my grandparent. It was really hard sometimes🙄😑. Especially the scary lady that pulled me onto her lap and bit down on my back hard af. She for sure wanted to kill me. I saw it in her eyes lol. AlI I knew was that if I was frustrated then they had to be fed tf up with it all. Keep calm, go cry in a room by yourself, breathing exercises, find a favorite resident and make them your friend. Whatever it takes.
@Donavon Seibert thank you for what u did for the patients u took care of.
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Thank you for thanking me. I really appreciate it.
@angelidez13 That compassion makes ALL the difference for your patients. Thank you for remembering that. It would be a good thing if watching documentaries like this were made mandatory for mental healthcare workers when they are first brought in, and then every few months after to keep perspective. Continued training in care techniques and being hired for a higher wage in exchange for better quality workers is desperately needed as well.
@@donavonseibert507 Exactly, I had my handful of really sweet patients and spending time with them always made it worth it. Even with the scratch marks and bruises covering my arms from the Vietnam vets lol
At 44, I find it hard to believe that these places continued to operate well into my lifetime. Growing up, I always thought such institutions were already a thing of the past, but I see that many of them, both in Britain and here in America, were still open during the eighties and early nineties.
Yes. I came to America in the 80s and they were going through the same process in the early 70s. There's a similar documentary too, I remember seeing it in the 90s. Everyone making key decisions has peoples best interest at heart but, of course, govt. decisions are based on finance and expedience...
When I was 7 the babysitter took me to a state mental hospital where her husband was. It was literally the thing of movies and legend. Scary, bad, not a place to take a 7 year old.
Last I knew, there was a state mental hospital located PORTERVILLE, , CALIF
They are still open
This makes me want to cry. I have some issues that I've dealt with since I was a little girl. To think I would have to go through some of these things back then...It's awful.😢😢😢 Bless all the people that were subject to abuse in asylums.
Bless you 🙂
@@secretagent5954 Excuse me? Why would you say something like that?
Take care of yourself. You are a superstar. Poor poor people. Thank everything my sister and brothers were always there to look after my mum and dad. My dad died few years ago. He had Alzheimer’s in later life but well looked after in later life in Annfield care home Stirling. he was 98 when he passed away. My mum died year before age 97. I wish I could go back and help them.
I have many myself and am SOOOO GRATEFUL to have been born in the 90's AFTER these places were closed down. It's a really terrifying thought that had I been born 5 or 10 years earlier that I might have been put into one myself. I have autism and bi-polar disorder, so there's no doubt in my mind that I might very well have ended up in one of these places. Thanks to my autism i'm a little bit slow with understanding certain things and as a result when I cant get something I get frustrated rather easily which would lead to outbursts in school.
My thought exactly
Texas went through a deinstitutionalization back in the day. The community support never materialized, and now our prisons have become the warehouse of choice for our mentally ill.
txvoltaire and mental health care is scare, non-existent in rural areas.
Exactly..no help whatsoever and not just Texas
True - I watch a lot of prison documentaries and they stated that if they had proper mental health services, there would a lot less ppl in prisons and less need for prisons.
Prison and California seems to attract them equally.
Same in Canada
I have a friend who was in a mental institution a few years ago, and they still throw water over patient's heads. Things haven't changed as much as we'd like to think.
They treated me like complete sh!t. Doped me up. I had fits of anger because how they were treating me and they had 5 guards on me and injected me with some medication I don't know what it was. Then throw you in a cell with a thin mattress on the floor and no blanket. I was freezing. It was awful.
Doped and zapped with inhuman ect 1969 a crime against humanity a class action long overdue
Absolutely, i think the same 😑
I wanted to sign up for there because i have a little mental illness but you guys are making it sound bad@@JinxMarie1985
My mother had postnatal depression in the1940s Her treatment was insulin therapy .I often wondered whether it was a contrbuting factor to her pancreatic cancer.
That is so sad. Terrible thing to do to someone!!!
It’s a concentration camp with food. Direct train line? Sends shivers up my spine. Poor souls.
I was a patient in high roads about twenty five years ago. It was a hell hole. There’s been abuse going on in there against patients of every type of abuse trust me I know .
I can only imagine what they were like when they first started... and what those poor people went through.
No wonder they wanted to escape!
The ones that passed away we're the lucky ones. I could never live like that.
I work with disabled adults in a very fun day care center.. most of the. Sadly would be in places like this.. what they don’t know is me myself would have been in somewhere like this too. Each night I take a tablet, each day at work I use the tools that I have been showed to get through the day and get home to my children whilst suffering ptsd/anxiety/post natal illness and some depression.. I am glad I live now! I am glad that professionals are trained in look after people in the community. I’m glad that medications are available to help those who like me have problems.. the thought of not working or not having my living children or husband, watching this is heartbreaking
Back in those days you would have been in one of these horror institutions - imagine
I was told for 13 years I was mentally ill and my mom believed it till I was proven autistic and not insane at all at 25 I'm 40 now and no psyche meds or asylums and no shrinks or pill pushing Dr's..but I feel so awful for the victims of these places..God bless them and God rest them 😢❤
I'm so grateful these aren't around now. No doubt I'd of been put in one of these for simply feeling sad and emotional.
I was a nurse and there was a lot of kind people working in these hospitals
"If I was to kill you I would go back! " You tell'em lady, love that retort.
I spell my name just like you and my last name is with a B. That's cool. Hello fellow Kristine B
Kristine B I read your comment, then heard her say it, LOL 😂, good one ☝️
Let's be honest: we still don't know how to properly take care of the mentally ill.
It's sad.
That's very true and still prescribing medications that are poisoning people .
I totally agree with you! Fortunately, by the late 1980s, the approach to mental health had improved greatly in comparison to the 1960s-70s! Electric shock treatments and lobotomies were brutal! I feel sorry for Rosemary Kennedy, who got a lobotomy in 1941, and Eduard Einstein who received electric shock treatments!
I believe that there will be future improvements in how the mentally ill will be treated by mental health specialists.
For now, psychiatrists are stuck on the paradigm of approaching every mental health problem with a psychotropic drug. Psychologists are stuck on the Freudian/Darwinian paradigm of mental health issues. Hopefully, psychiatrists and psychologists will learn that there is a God, and that they need God's help in guiding patients to a better life!
Unfortunately back in the day, when President Reagan and the activists decided that it would be such a great plan to replace the mental hospitals with neighborhood halfway houses (that nobody wanted in their neighborhoods), nursing homes, & sending patients home to their families, they didn't take into consideration the many people who had spent much of their lives institutionalized & couldn't live on the outside or the people who actually needed to be in institutions. Instead of making the hospitals better, they just opened the doors & released people; many of them couldn't then (or now) take care of themselves.😢😡😥
Having a hypoglycaemic attack is a horrible feeling. The confusion is unreal I couldn’t imagine being mentally unwell and going through that. My partner witnessed his first episode recently and he had no idea what was going on because I was screaming crying passing out etc. he thought I was having a mental breakdown. I have no idea how they could have ever thought doing this would cure people
The doctors are the real crazy people
I'm sorry I have low blood sugar. It causes anxiety attacks its so scary. The doctors are the lunatics. It's to do with post war fascism. Good old Enoch Powell. Truth speaker.
I can appreciate the honesty of the Dr.
My mum worked in a home that first integrated patients when they started to close the hospitals.
One Resident ( William ) was in that hospital for over 50 years and the reason he was admitted? He didn’t talk as a boy.
Tragic!
A down syndrome woman ( Janet ) had reoccurring conjunctivitis and the hospitals answer was to permanently sew her eyelid shut!
She had also had all her teeth taken out because she bit someone.
Absolutely barbaric.
I live in Canada, grew up in the province of Alberta. When my grandfather had to go to the nursing home in our city, because of a stroke that left him unable to walk, talk or take care of himself, my grandmother had taken care of him until he started to fall, and she could not lift him. In there were Chinese residents who had been there from early childhood, because they were mentally retarded and considered useless burdens by their families. This was in the 30s and 40s when the children were just left and the families never visited them. I was young enough to want to ask a nurse why an old folks home had mentally retarded residents. She reluctantly told me , understanding I would keep asking until somebody told me. The 40 year old man who was my grandfather's roommate was in my eyes a little young to be there. He could not speak clearly, but was very active and friendly, and seemed to understand when my grandfather grunted , what he wanted or needed. I saw he was not mentally retarded, he could take care of himself, always very neat and clean, loved my grandfather and took care of him. Why was he here, made no sense, my Mom got the story before I could ask a nurse, it is very sad. He came from a large family of around 12 kids, they lived on a farm. He was born normal, but they found that he could not speak clearly, people at that time had little extra money to spend on Doctors so his Dad assumed he was retarded and he never got treatment for his issue or went to school. The mother knew he had normal intelligence , but her opinion was discounted. He came in as a child when his mother died and none of his older siblings wanted him, nor his father, so he was put in an old folks home. The nurses soon realized he could understand perfectly well, and let him help out . It kept him busy and he was so happy to help other residents and do what ever he could to help the nurses. I am sure that he must have cried at night for being taken away and for losing the only person who truly loved him. The staff did their best to make him feel loved, but they knew this was not an ideal place for a child. This happened more often than people realized. The other choice would have been an asylum which would have been awful. He was lucky in a way that he was where he was. My grandmother went into the same place but not on the same ward, and he helped lift the burden of caring for my granddad to a great extent for my grandmother who could not see well . It was a black hole in the middle of her vision and she had hazy periferal vision and soon was completely blind. My Mom in her 40's started to have the same condition with her eyes, but it has progressed much more slowly, she is 99 going to be 100 in October and she no longer can read because the letters get mixed up and has a very hard time to write. I guess he most likely has passed on, but I will always remember his happiness and the love he had for my grandfather. My granddad had never been sick as an adult, always healthy and doing woodwork . Than this stroke came and deprived him of not just his abilities to move and speak, but his sense of worth but his room mate somehow helped him accept his new reality but also thrive emotionally. Our family owes him a great debt. I will fore ever see in my mind's eye how he would take my hand and chat away and take me to see granddad. I may not have understood his words but I understood his Heart of Service for others. We were his family and he made sure to his best ability to create Joy . This child, despite the hard circumstances, made the choice to live the best life he could and he did much more . He is one of my Heros of my childhood.
Please use different verbage, she is not "a down syndrome woman". She may have this but she is not down syndrome and it is not her.
at the age of 34 I was put into a mental institution for what later they described as schizoaffective and bipolar disorder. they put me through atleast 10 ECT's and to be honest at first it really helped me calm myself but then later I noticed that I have short term memory loss like I couldn't remember what I did the day before or two hours before and I think it was all because of the ECT treatments that I had done on me! so it came with the good in the bad I'm just glad that they put you to sleep before they do it now! I couldn't imagine getting an ECT treatment without putting you to sleep first?
I understand this completely, I worked at a State Hospital in NY State called Kings Park State Hospital as did most of my family. Horrible stories. We had padded rooms no longer used and straight jackets in our store house where I also worked and saw lobotomy tools still in their boxes. Here in the states we had terrible things happen to patients and stuff in my day but we were told to never talk outside about it.
My first job at 15 years old was in a large teaching hospital named Brockhall near Whalley in Lancashire, it was a hospital for what they now call 'learning disability' but what they called then low grade and high grade patients. There were separate wards for adult males and females and separate wards for little boys and little girls, I worked on the little boys ward, Orchid, care was regimented and most of the children had their teeth removed to prevent them from biting (despite the fact that they only bit when they were being cruelly treated). The first job in the morning was bathing them in the same bath water, cleaning all their teeth with the same toothbrush and dressing them out of a bag of clothes, it was a production line. Feeding was done by strapping them to chairs and feeding out of the same bowl with the same spoon. I loved taking the mobile ones out to play in the garden, those that were not mobile were left in cots. Some of the children were babies, I always remember one beautiful little boy that was deaf and blind, he was left in a play pen and spun round all the time, he responded to touch and clearly was not mentally ill. Parents did NOT want to get rid of these children, doctors forced them to institutionalise them, many many parents were devastated but were given no support whatsoever. Many years later when Brockhall closed they moved many to Calderstones and I worked for a time rehabilitating people into the community, that too seemed cruel because they were so used to their surroundings and routines, many had no family and had been drugged up for years. I could go on and on, very devastating times which I can never ever forget.
These People who treated them cruelty and Carelessness are the ones who feel the walls of hell
So very true!
crowe2you amen 🙏
Ron B it’s not just empty words that has to occur and there’s no magic time. The moment you accept Christ’s sacrifice which paid for every one of our sins, on the cross, and BELIEVE it and have faith. No one can get to our Father, except through His Son, Jesus Christ. He knows your heart and intention, always. He wants as many of His children as possible, to come back to Him without force. The devil is “allowed, for a short time,” to tempt your heart. That’s your gift of free will. You can’t know good without evil and evil without good. It’s your choice. Choose Eternal Life in Christ, not death.
They will meet their maker sooner then that expect. God doesn't like ugly... And I believe in karma and she's a bitch! Sorry for the curse word
Having visited two psychiatric hospitals in London a couple of years ago on a few occasions, I can tell you things are still very bad. Desolate places with very little overseeing of what's going on or care. Patient on patient violence. Depressing environment. Terrible food. All they do is giving patients drugs, sometimes by force. No meaningful therapy and zero activity. Like prisons, although I'd personally prefer to be in a prison. My friend only got worse and worse there. He was lucky he could eventually go to the Priory. Most people don't have that chance and instead are left at the mercy of a brutal and marginalised system. So sad. How about the BBC does a documentary about what's happening RIGHT NOW?
You are so right
Mimi Cracra thank you for sharing your wonderful story..l went to visit a friend of a friend in a place in Melbourne,it was really bad there as l seen people hitting there heads on the walls,people screaming..also people hurting one another..l watched the staff there do nothing to stop any of it...shocking to think no one gives a dam about these people..Frightened me so much l had to wait out side..l cannot believe that it still goes on in this day an age...
@@sorianakhuba9939 and what would you have happen insted? In an age where people prefer to think hardcore mental illness doesn't exist anymore you can hardly do much more than keep them in a box and sedate them, wouldn't be good optics to try and do somthing pro-active like find a medical solution
Very accurate.
Don't think I've seen anything so heartbreaking in the name of science and medicine... Just awful 💔
Geraldo did a documentary about a “hospital that was the epitome of deplorable. Patients, most of whom were dumped because they needed a minimum of care to special needs children who needed basic needs, and would be totally neglected and sometimes starved to death in this hospital
But Heraldo was himself a nut and a fraud.
Amen to that big time
Based on anxiety attacks and feeling just utter nuts I can see now where I would be... right there with the rest of these people.
Same
I fell soo bad of these people my heart goes out to them and their spirits
Electro-Convulsive Therapy is still used today, though it doesn't look nearly as dramatic as this. Patients are put to sleep and then given a muscle relaxant so they don't thrash and hurt themselves. A blood pressure cuff is often placed around the ankle so the muscle relaxant doesn't reach the foot and the doctors can see if the electricity is working. After they're done, the patient is woken up and gets to go home in about 30 minutes. It's an outpatient procedure and even can be used on patients with heart problems. Much safer than it was back then.
Agreed. I suffered from unresponsive bipolar disorder for many years- forty and more. During a hospitalization, I asked about ECT. They agreed, and I had several treatments in the hospital. They worked quite well, giving me relief from the symptoms.
Over the past ten years I've had several more courses of ECT. They're inconvenient and uncomfortable, but well worth it.
Caitlin Minor and it slowly deteriorates your memory and requires more and more treatments. Not a good answer.... purposely inflicting a seizure? No way!
I have seen both positive and neutral outcomes from ECT. I have seen the 180 of a woman who suffered severe depression. Within 12 months, she would be back down and require more ECT. We had a set of twin women in their 60s who would be in every 6 months to treat their bipolar. They would come in, heads down, dishevelled, non communicative and hygiene no existent. After their rounds of ECT over 2 weeks, they would near be skipping, laughing and all around new people. They swore by it. What works for some doesn't work for others.
A friend recently had it .
Strom gehört nicht an ein lebendiges Individium. Nicht an Menschen nicht an Tieren und auch nicht an Pflanzen. Das ist Satanisch.
This was hard to watch. I've never felt so many emotions at once. So many brave people having to cope and adapt to living in and treated like s**t. I understand now, why my nan and mum kept epilepsy in our family secret.
My own experiences will always be remembered to take your medicine as directed without stopping them. This will save bad consequences down the road of getting better.
Thankyou A...for this informative fascinating look at how it was in Britain. It was very much like "One Flew Over the Cookoos Nest" here in America..
Vanessa C u later back in the early 80s there was big revelations from good real reporters
That has to be one of my favourite films which gets me every time xx
Although these places we’re appalling, care in the community doesn’t work .. lots left to there own devices.. very sad in this day and age ..
Lorraine Hammond - the Doctor at the end said it best, “the community doesn’t care”, and so the plan fails.
There was no care in the community and yes thousands killed themselves
@@crystalm4324 : And, their families don't care either.
Unfortunately jails have become the new asylums.
The fact this happened in the 1900s and the torture asylums only shut in the 90s is unimaginable 🤢
I was locked in a London Asylum for a decade. It was an extremely traumatic experience from which I still haven't even in my 50s.
Im so sorry you had 2 go through that 😔 love 2 u ❤💝
The mistreatment of these patients was horrific ! I saw a documentary last week about one if the Kennedy sisters being locked up in an institution and lobotomized. The family was ashamed of her because the wasnt " normal" and they had to keep up an image to the public. There are skeletons in everyones closet . Even our public figures we all look up to and admire. Im glad that medicine for the mentally ill has progressed ,but we still have a very long way to go.
She was probably the normal one in the fam but they need robotic obedient people to perform.. same with generational narcissistic abusive families, the scapegoat has empathy and they want to destroy that because you have a mind of your own and care for people, very hideous stuff with a lot of programming and gaslighting. I’ve researched this stuff for a long time, mindblowing these similarities, also educational books on detachment parenting that was promoted, like Spock the man came from a dis functional family..
A very long way.
Andrew Gems well i have ! and thats offensive and pigeon holing
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That's why people shouldn't idolize these celebrities. They're the main ones with skeletons in their closets.
That’s just ... messed up. Straight up torture!
It's scary knowing that had I been born back then I'd likely be in an institution like this since I was diagnosed with anxiety and depression early this year. I'm glad things have changed
Sadly things haven’t 😰
Same here. I was just thinking that.
As the sister of a mentally unstable brother that has tortured our entire family with his episodes (not taking meds, physically assaulting each of us at one point or another, etc), we need to bring back some sort of institutionalization for some people with severe mental illness. Not only for their safety and security but for ours as well!
My grandfather was violently attacked by a mentally ill man who was kept at home in the family. He jumped my grandpa and smashed his head in, cracked his skull, almost murdered him in broad daylight if people had not interfered. Some people have to be in locked facilities when they are dangerous and violent because they are a danger to society. My grandpa barely survived this brutal attack and was never the same after that.
I agree with you, community care is all good and well but what if the person is so sick that they need constant treatment, I see people walking around on a daily basis that can not cope alone and then they invariably end up either in prison or living rough, comittting crimes to survive - it is not fair on them or us
They do exist still, just not like they used to
So sad
how sad is it that at one point we had too many beds sending people who didn't even need mental help now we are on the complete opposite end now we don't have any beds or support for people in desperate need of help
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I had a friend who had schizophrenia and she was given electric shocks treatment she agreed to it so she could have her children back it made her very calm and seemed to help but very barbaric I thought it scared the crap out of me just seeing the table she had to lay on and the probes were at the side still gives me the chills I would always say to her are you sure but she said that she had to God Bless her I haven’t heard from her for ages
I hope your friend is on the mend. God bless her ❤
Thanks to everyone trying to understand instead of judging
Geraldo Rivera started the deinstitution with his examination of Willowbrook in 1972. Yes, the asylum were emptied but the majority of those released were not given community care and ended up in another system, the penal system. At one time the LA County jail dispensed more psychotropic drugs than any other place in the US.
You think you have problems until you get locked up on a damn mental hospital.
They got a lot better in the 70's. Now they live in HUD subsidized housing, sometimes creating millions of problems for landlords, who aren't equipped to deal with mental illness.
They don't train them or offer some kind of orientation for transitioning to independence. Now, the system allows millions to fall through the cracks.
Most can't live on their own. So that was never a solution.
@Jason Bouphasavanh I've been navigating the government programs for this for a member of my family. The only thing that can be done is "to have a member of their family " put aside their own personal life so that they can take care of them on a 24 hour every day care.
@@obrianmorgan what a "comforting" solution..!😢
I was an emotional teen (puberty gone wrong) and a few times, when I got emotional (cried, got angry), my mom would snap, "do you need to go to the mental hospital?!"
What a shame putting people through this torture!
That is the history of mankind - *homo-sapien sapien* - created in god's image. Lol. (Free will is a lark to me). Lepers were segregated and food rations taken to them in the Middle East.
It is highly contagious, so quarantine makes sense, but they didn't have true homes. They wandered about, living in caves, abandoned buildings and any makeshift shelter (perhaps mines as well). Jews, Christians and polytheist - all treated them the same way, despite Jesus' supposed example.
That's when you know humanity is lost.
You could say that about most kinds of medical proseses of the past if you look at it with modern knolage. In time it's likly your profession may well be looked down on as being lesser with future knolage
@@gettinglost316 :You have a very good point about changes/advances in medicine...doctors would go from one woman in labor and delivery, but never wash or cleanse their hands. Women were dying in numbers due to "childbirth fever", and I believe that it was Louis Pasteur discovered this: rinse your hands in Catholic acid in between patients. This was life changing news for sure. Childbirth fever was finally under control, so to speak. 🌞🏨
I worked as a RN at Milledgeville State Hospital also known as Central State Hospital in Milledgeville, Georgia USA. KWhen the announcer stated massive hospitals he’s wrong. Milledgeville was 16,000 beds/patients. Has the absolute largest kitchen under one roof in the world. Yet Milledgeville was only the third largest hospital in America. Care was catch as catch can. Over crowding, malpractice, neglect and a demeaning routine. One state hospital for the largest state east of the Mississippi River. Building after building, Ward after Ward. The hospital has a cemetery with 26,000 graves. Some one removed the markers so no one knows where a persons grave can be found! Now just a shadow of its former self I remains a stigma on the state and the people.
I am so glad that the approach to mental health issues is so far removed from the dark days off the asylum, elctro-convulsive therapy and lobotomy, as someone with mental health issues in my later years I have no doubt that even 40-50 years ago I would have faced a vey torrid time, my doctors aren’t sure exactly why I am having trouble with my cognitive abilities but won’t just assign my issues a ‘label’, back in the days of the asylum I think my condition would have booked me a place on a ward, I feel so sorry for the millions of people that went through the asylum system when they we’re not necessarily needing to be ‘hospitalised’, conditions that today would be treated on an outpatient basis, I wonder what some of those who lived and died in the asylum could have achieved if they were treated in a more humane and sympathetic way.
Thanks for sharing this interesting and informative documentary, very emotive and saddening, but nonetheless interesting. 😀👍🇬🇧🏴
P.S listening to the doctor treating Maggie he was probably doing what the treatment of the time considered the best way of treating her, but today we would consider it barbaric and worthless, I don’t blame her for being angry and unforgiving, she, and many others should receive an unreserved apology and some form of compensation, as Maggie said it was nothing less than assault. When the patients were finally ‘discharged’ from the ‘hospital’ they were abandoned by the health care system and left with very little in the way of support from the welfare system, perhaps if these poor people had been given that support, instead of police using excessive force to arrest a person with mental health issues then maybe the very small amount of violent attacks wouldn’t have happened.
Now if you'll excuse me. I'm off to watch 'House on Haunted Hill'. Second time watching, this time however, I'll be rooting for the ghost.
Good choice of a movie .... enjoy!
😊🌷😊
top series..
Jan J hahaha 😂. Comic relief for the absolute tragedy. Thanks 🙏
like ya comment bout u in search of da ghost i love my parraormal. Hello my names Nicola.
Loved this movie, plus I really liked the Netflix series, even though it is nothing like the movie.
The same happened in the States. It was far more a political and financial issue than anything to do with mental health care. Many who were sent back to their families were patients the families couldn't cope with in the first place 30 years prior. Nothing had changed in the patients condition & the "family" was 30 years older. It didn't take long before they took to the streets and the family could do nothing about it. Others were supposed to go into 1/2 way houses to learn to adapt- but these were never provided. Those who needed medication to keep from being a danger to themselves and others were to receive "outpatient care"- which meant they'd be fine as long as they took their medications....except they DIDN'T take them & nobody could find them until they committed a crime. To assign a probation officer or overseer required $$ & manpower and lost votes ! Suddenly , we had thousands of homeless overnight & the situation persists. If you have a sick child and therapy & meds don't help him- by the time he is grown NOBODY can send him to Hosp. but HIMSELF. So parents have to live in fear of their own child. I'm pleased with people being able to manage their own health care & glad there is the ability to live a normal life outside an institution for all those who had relatively minor problems to begin with. But having nowhere to send the seriously ill and dangerous patients is a folly we've lived to regret & has helped neither society OR the PATIENT.
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Jan Van Wagner Here! Here! Exactly right and well said.
You are absolutely right!
Most end up in Nursing Homes which is usually not appropriate for them.
Yes, there are definitely problems with mental health treatment in the US. When I was still living there I noticed that in some settings, people are not treated with dignity or are put in inappropriate settings. They are not assessed properly or sometimes an organization, such as the YWCA, will take certain residents even though they are inappropriate for that low level of care because they want the money for those people. Also, there are issues with medication. However, I believe that overall, mental health treatment in the US is better than in England. There are more provider choices as well as greater opportunities to create a treatment plan specific to your needs.
Many counselors or therapists do not know how to deal with displaced Americans, which has become a big issue. England is behind, and that's saying something given the problems with mental health treatment in the US.
"Mental illness" patients can improve by encouraging, as far as possible, personal independence. Enabling patients to do appropriate work would be enormously beneficial.
My poor mum was locked in one for 25 years. I remember many times visiting. Or running off to visit mum on my own... Big old Victorian place it was. This was 1980s when I was 13 nd would visit mum.
100 years from now, what will they say about psych wards today?
Danielle S that nurses got killed and severely injured by the patients
I think there will be something to be said about the use of medication for mental health issues. As effective & helpful as they may be; neuroleptics (anti-psychotics) & antidepressants are dangerous and cause chemical brain damage... we're all too quick to just give people a pill instead of actually helping them... just my $0.02
As a kid who had electroshock treatments in the early 90' under the age of 7 because I was depressed and anorexic... Ask me again what I think about psychiatric ward 20 years later..... As in today.... You don't need a hundred years to realize what we are doing and get that we need to stop.
I always wonder this about many subjects, each decade we slate the fashion of a few decades past.... What will we be wearing in the future to look back at today's clothing and laugh!
Dummy do you not understand the length of time the Victorian period lasted it by the 80s it was well over a hundred years looking back.
Here in the United States sadly around 1980 our then President Jimmy Carter made major strides for the mentally ill, then President Ronald Reagan repealed almost everything President Carter fought for and so many of those mentally struggling were pushed out of the institutions and became homeless, very sad.
Right. These Republicans don't care about the mentally ill. There still is a stigma and although we came far from those barbaric treatments, more work needs to be done
Kerching and a kerching ..say no more $$$$ sad he didn't put the money where his mouth was whilst in power and instead acted like a turkey to a gobble of a gobble with greed. So much more would of been accomplished from position to those years than a lifetime which continues to be wasted on greed and spoilt brat attitudes to their own self glorifying ways .
Reagan showed there’s no value of education or the ill. He made millions dollars worth of budget cuts in education programs and schools as well particularly for the poor. Unfortunately the sick and poor were always the ones suffering for the selfish monetary agenda of the house.
@@SM-fy2im yes its true yet president reagan died from a mental health condition altziemers disease you reap what you saw
@@SM-fy2im You must be an Obama Common Core failure. Republicans are PRO life while Democrats are PRO death and don't give a damn about anyone being murdered.
I started my psychiatric nurse training in 1991. I was 18.
I worked in an old Victorian hospital. I certainly think things needed to change, but I did feel sorry for some patients who had been there all their lives, but had to leave the safety and security of the institution.
You have one video and thousands of subscribers. This is actually amazing. You rock. I hope you are ok A.
Today, institutions like this are called HM prisons. We needn’t pretend we’ve moved that far forward!
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Sick !
Haha that's hilarious well said 🤣👏
@Sly Sutton most of the inmates in prisons ,have mental health probs ,sum are pysczoprennia, bi polar, disorder ,or just mentally insane ,I have seen it for myself ,but no one in prison get help, infact there is no mental health imprison, coz the officers n medics didn't care less ,in their eyes they'd say so what !! It's not changed at all
HM?
This breaks my heart.
@Ron B weird bastard
Mental health treatment today is still very experimental. The brain is very complex and there is so much we don't know.
I saw a documentary on the Mental facility that Briarcliff from Asylum, American Horror Story was based on, and it said that the facility was CONDEMNED in 1967, yet it didnt close till 1987! So Sad!
And now most of them are in prisons or private care institutions still vulnerable to abuse
ECT is still being used today. I saw it done in nursing school but they don't spaz like this anymore.....anesthesia is used....
It was NOT just another 60's radical thinking to shut down those barbaric assylems, it was a stroke of sanity.
These places grew out of the Middle Ages with ignorance about mental health. Plus, there was a religious notion - that the affected were morally flawed, not sick.
It would have been a stroke of sanity if the patients had received care in their communities. But they did not, and they do not now.
@@gaslitworldf.melissab2897 Exactly
Just do-gooders thinking these places were icky and if they couldn't see the institution the problem would just go away, the governments of the day saw a pound saved and went along with it.
Oh my word these poor, poor people. If it was someone I loved I would have been devastated. I am diabetic and before I was diagnosed my sugar was so low that I had a fit. It was awful and I felt so tired and drained afterwards. Thank Our
Heavenly Father it’s a thing of the past and I’m praying the awful things are over now. That was so,so sad. The poor patients were stripped of their dignity completely
Many were wrongly diagnosed. I was one such . Spent many months incarcerated. drugged ECT. Then dumped in an uncaring "community". In fact I had and have M.E, and live quietly and simply alone now, At peace with my illness. But never trusting any doctor. They were appalling places . I saw such abuse and cruelty and despair.
I bet the many of the children of the staff were severely abused when the parents got home from abusing the captive patients.
Sarah Bellum yes we were in Australia.
Sarah Bellum I’d beat money on it. Can you image the sexual abuse going on?
Wouldn't surprise me
@@tot2523 true!
I remember being severely shaken as a child by a psychiatric nurse relative because I was upset.
The nature of Mental Health care in America is abysmal at best right now. So many more advancements in proactive care and independent or assisted living housing need to be implemented.
Exactly! I was in a group home back in 2008-2009 that got shut down a few years back due to how bad it was. Another one I was in, just last year staff got caught raping students. The units at the hospitals aren't any better.
My grandmother in the 50s was a diagnosed manic depressive (Bipolar disorder) she was always trying to commit suicide in the canal every single week, then she was sectioned to a psychiatric hospital and had to have electric shock therapy, when that didn’t work she had a lobotomy. She lived a long healthy life and died warm in her bed as an old lady. I’m 21 now and she’s passed the same disorder down to me. I am a diagnosed manic depressive.
I worked in Veteran's home and a resident got electric shock and he would come back up eat and could walk. He had Parkinson's and it helped him with depression. He would go once a month . It was amazing
Are you trying to kill yourself in the canal evry single week like her?
I worked in a State mental hospital. It wasn't as bad as this, as things had improved greatly by the 80's. But I had Patients that were dropped off there at age 5 because of seizures and died there at 94. Had no understanding of the outside world. Sweetest people. Some employees abused them, and got away with it. We could use these hospitals now for the homeless with mental illnesses who need supervision to take meds, but it would need strict supervision to prevent abuse.
I worked in a hospital in New Zealand and wayward girls were left there in the forties and fifties. Honestly they should have been in the community. In the seventies they had to be diagnosed with a learning disability. (severe). To be admitted. Delia Morris
God help those poor people
...accept He didn't. Lol. And now they have to live on the streets. What an alternative.
It was just as bad in the Middle Ages, at the peak of Christian power in Europe and the US. Only Quakers forwarded humane treatment here in the US, focused on fresh air, country life, exercise and of course, spirituality. Sadly, the Quakers are only a shadow of what they used to be. I don't know why. They were vocal in abolition.
There obviously isn’t a god in the way people think there is in my opinion
US HERE - As a person who has spent roughly 3 separate weeks in hospital units for mental illness, this topic intrigues and even frightens me.
I'm sad that we don't have mental hospitals anymore in the US. As a result, many more are now homeless and vulnerable.
The best ones had both inpatient and outpatient facilities and advanced medical breakthroughs and boasted progressive attitudes toward mental illness.
Some people will always need a modicum of supervision and will not fit into society at large.
GaslitWorld f. Melissa B you don’t have mental hospitals in the US?? Wtf! Do people just go to a regular hospital then? It’s crazy to me considering the unique care/treatment most mental health issues/concerns require for any chance of recovery!
@@Be149xo yes we do have mental hospitals in the US. They are usually state run. A mental hospital usually houses long term patients. Regular hospitals all have a psychiatric wards and are used for patients requiring short term hospitalizations.
I too have spent time in hospital for mental illness--and been pushed back out into the world because they didn't have the resources to deal with me. Luckily, I have a wonderful family with an educated background and access to many resources. In past times, I would have been a strong candidate for pre-frontal leucotomy; in 2016 I was finally diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder (I had been trying to get another psychiatric evaluation since 2003, but it took a court order from our district's Mental Health Court to get it done), which has been a huge relief because now I know that it's an actual thing, separate and distinct from (though probably triggered by) the traumatic brain injury in 1988. No known cure, but there are treatments available, and I've gone through Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) twice, and gratefully.
I did inpatient for 7 days and outpatient for 5 days. It was the best thing I ever did. It saves my life and I got very good care. It wasn't a bad experience at all. We were able to laugh and relax. I finally got proper treatment for bi polar and anxiety.
There most definitely ARE mental hospitals in the US. I was in one just recently in Massachusetts. Where did you get the idea that there aren't any?
I do hope they preserve at least one as a museum, to remember and further educate about this fascinating & at times horrifying bit of history.
As a museum??ah ya rt....mow it down already its a rats nest!! All thos poor souls 😢 💔 😔
Its just barbaric the things they did to those poor people, maggie broke my heart, they literally fried her brain for no good reason whatsoever!!
They need to be brought back but in a humanitarian sense. Many dont get the help they need. And many homeless are mentally ill.
I agree. They could have reformed the system, but $$ and politics were more important than patient care. Many patients could thrive under assisted living, or nursing home style care. Now most of our most seriously ill end up in prisons where the "state" has to take care of them just like these old institutions.
Many Homeless don't want treatments because they are drug addicts! They've been asked and asked, as the Streets of cities such as, San Francisco, have become open tent cities. It smells of Urine and Feces as they have nowhere to go's, they have nowhere to shower or care for their most basic human needs.
Who's the humanitarianism in aid of?
The general populace or the people locked away?
The morality has changed and people wouldn't go in now for being homosexual, masturbating and other Victorian crimes. BUT do we have the right to lock up drug addicts, and alcoholics who live on the street since we allow free choice. I THINK we should lock up the addicts for vagrancy and see once detox ed if they are mentally ill or not. Those who are I'll need inpatient care until well enough to function elsewhere. Those who are homeless and choose addiction should end up in the penal system for vagrancy and public issues like urination and defecation on streets. Offering treatment again for addiction while incarcerated to improve lives on release. We shouldn't have to lose our cities to homeless hoards like San Francisco and Seattle have.
I read a story about a family where the son was losing his mind but doctors said they couldn't hospitalize him unless he's hurt himself or someone else. 🙄 I mean, why wait if he clearly needs help now?!
This issue is the same in the United States
Is the same in any countries
In France too.
Dearest Joan:
No matter what you have been through, I applaud your strength in surviving…and may I say…your eyes are so gorgeous!
As to this documentary, now that it’s 2022, I think we still need state hospitals…but definitely not to be used for people to be treated as either experiments or not being validated for being human. You treat people the way YOU want to be treated (and that’s to you psychiatric nursing staff and doctors). You have no idea how unbelievably difficult it is to take on someone that you’re trying to help…but feel helpless in doing so. I know all too well.
With mental health really coming into the picture, it literally wouldn’t hurt to open some new open concept type of places…that hire people that actually want to help people instead of getting a check for it. There are memories I carry that will haunt me until the end of time of my one and only son…but now…at least he is free👼.
I was in a "behavior place bc I was coming off prescription medicine with panic attacks and I could've died from what I came off from but ,some of the other patients were getting ECT and I remember that I took care of a patient they shocked so much, she had the burn on her leg where they grounded it . I couldn't believe they returned back to this evil practice ..... Electric shock therapy is so bad on memory and short term memory... These patients were diagnosed with major depression and medicine was no longer working for them .. it's so sad that they would agree to have this done but I guess some people feel hopeless. Sometimes the cure is dealing with your emotions and getting over trauma, or grief... It takes time and it's different for everyone I guess.
If A woman read books or enjoyed sex back then she was condemned as crazy and locked away for good. You also spun this story to some mistruths. You also left a good deal of information that is really important.
@Jody Doherty It's awful. We came along way but more work needs to be done. There still is a stigma attached
OMG! That is just awful. We were second class citizens. That wouldn't fly today. We have come along way but more work needs to be done
Have you read the story The Yellow Wallpaper? Such a tragic tale.
Damn! I’d be in there for sure, but in the basement because of the color of my skin. Everything was segregated too. These bastards did more harm than good.
They would skin me alive if I was born back then....how do they think babies are made...were people really that mentally fucking retarded?
I really hope they do not do the shock treatment anywhere else in any country anymore.
I remember the Movie She-Devil , with Roseanne Barr Working in a Nursing home, she was preparing to give out medications ,but instead of giving them the sedatives, she put vitamins in their bottles. The patients were all outside playing kickball eventually. LOL
I loved that movie as a kid!
Just had to say that my Electroshock Therapy saved my mom's life. She had major depression with psychotic features and for 10 years. At one point she was on 28 pills a day which was enough to sedate her so she wouldn't have yet another suicide attempt and hospitalization. She finally tried ECT and for over 20 years she has never had a setback and is on no psych meds. This was in the late nineties and the treatments are much more humane. It has a bad rap but it literally saves lives when coupled with working with a great therapist.
Imagine the tormented ghosts roaming the ruins of these hell holes!
Absolutely! Looking for someone to save them still to this day
Even the ghosts can't rest
No one knew the truth then , and surely won’t know now ........
actually lived next to High Royds - Menston was a lovely village - its now a huge development of houses
The doctors had no clue how to treat these patients so how would the staff know any better? No training on something no one knew how to treat. Pretty difficult scenario.
These asylums were awful places where patients were mistreated, abused, over medicated, and subjects of experiments, no doubt in my mind. Asylums were extremely demeaning for patients as human beings. I am glad they are all closed for good and patients got back their dignity and quality of life. Very sad. It is heartbreaking to know that people were confined to asylums just for “panic attacks?” Unbelievable and appalling. Very interesting and informative video and an eye opener as to what really happened inside these institutions.
They were known as the barmy house or the loony bin,,,,,,if you did anything a little out of the ordinary
people would say "you'll end up in the loony bin in burntwood
But what to do with the true psychopaths and serial killers amongst us? Prison yes but only áfter its to late and they did their harm. I fear for my three beautiful kids.
Big time