Why These European Rail Giants are Battling It Out in North America
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but why?
@@Jonathan-zf6ho There seem to have been some technical difficulties or something along those lines as many videos suddenly disappeared from the channel and are getting reuploaded.
Not just bike also reuploaded video today. Coincidence?
Given that you said "its freezing outside right now" either that or you have a high heat tollerance.
@@nikolajankovic96 get more views. Appearance of more content to fool the UA-cam coding.
As a Frenchman, very hype to see whatever the winner comes up with. Toronto (and all of the Quebec-Windsor corridor, really) deserves good solid regional train support. Crossing fingers in another decade the entire region will have these kinds of projects completed and will be all the better for it.
Its a reupload but I can confirm that Deutsche Bahn have won the tendering process as has been confirmed by another one of Reece's videos
@@drdewott9154 Oh I missed that lel
Indeed, though it's a pity the Toronto-Montreal part doesn't get a grade separated proper high speed rail line since there's the demand for it, but the three governments involved can never seem to come to an agreement.
@@ZontarDow True but the HFR project still looks like its gonna give a lot of benefits. And it might be a wiser decission in the long run looking at some Northern nations with a lot of good rail infrastructure like Sweden.
@@drdewott9154 for parts of the network maybe, but for the critical Toronto Montreal part of the corridor proper HSR is all that could turn rail into a primary form of transportation in that area
I don't have much respect for SNCF anymore, personally. It's run by ex-airline executives that repeatedly show they don't actually understand trains aren't planes. They've deliberately slowed trains for market segmentation, introduced awful yield management, and refused to build out a proper network in favor of running every train through Paris.
So I really hope they don't win. DB has it's issues too, but at least it understands how trains work.
Luckily since its a reupload from a fair while ago we actually have a result of the tender. SNCF lost and Deutsche Bahn won.
@@drdewott9154 That's good to hear! I haven't been keeping up.
Currently at MX train operations are being lead by former Bus employees and they don't know how trains un either!
Honestly, when an ex-airline executive is put in charge of a railroad/railway (whichever one you'd prefer to say) *cough* Richard Anderson *Cough cough* William Flynn *Cough* You know that it's not gonna go well.
@@harrisonofcolorado8886 If people cough when mentioning people they don't like, why don't they go murder them?
"DB and SNCF are some of the most respected rail operators"
except by the people of the countries they serve lol
Which shows how much we are actually used to a high standard compared to Northern America.
@@basti279 the train actually arriving when it should is not that high of a standard
@@ridingweeb4801 it depends who you're asking
True. Kind of like the MBTA
we complain, but by the end of the day they do get you to your destination... even if you were supposed to arrive at 10am
0:08 interesting that the Deutsche Bahn example train is actually one branded with the Dutch railway (if course ICE is the German brand - but they collaborate for for international trains)
We need European style regional rail in Chicago too. Our trains are old, and I mean OLD. How old? Well Metra, our regional rail operator, is still using EMD locomotives from the 1970s and some of our train cars date back even earlier to the early 1950s. Yeah, we need new trains and badly. We’re already modernizing a lot of our stations and bridges and we’re removing some of our grade crossings but for some reason Metra loves their EMD locomotives and old train cars. We need to take our old trains to the Illinois Railway Museum and make way for new state of the art European style trains
Boston has attempted to implement regional rail scheduling for years now; however, the MBTA very quickly realized that electrification and fleet replacement was necessitated in order to make regional rail actually feasible. Boston absolutely needs the aid of European rail operators going forward, there is a huge amount of political pressure to transform Boston’s rail and these European operators will push it in the right direction
And the T seems intent on dragging their feet as much as possible -- always coming up with excuses for why things cannot be done. If they do end up improving service, it will be because they are dragged into it kicking and screaming.
@@Lucius_Chiaraviglio that’s why politicians are taking a legislative approach- there’s a bill being drafted right now that would spin the commuter rail network into its own dedicated statewide regional rail agency that would also oversee modernization and fleet replacement (this would probably be implemented in tandem with east-west rail and the new western mass rail authority). It’s funny how politicians are so fed up with the MBTA that they are creating laws that are directly aimed at the incompetence of the MBTA 😂
Yes, it is certain that it is necessary to electrify the network and change the signaling as well as the rolling stock before moving on to the rhythmic timetables.
For the RER in the 60's, the first section (Nation/ Boissy st leger) began with the takeover of an SNCF line, which sold it to the RATP.
The RATP electrified it, which was quite strange because the line was still at that time used with steam engines. Then she ordered from "Brissonneau et Lotz", and "ANF" (ancestors of Alstom) a train specially designed for... the MS61. (Suburban metro project 1961). At that time, the train was resolutely modern (and it has not aged a bit during all these years), had the typical characteristics of a heavy suburban metro, with high power for the time (1600kW for 3 cars).
In 1969 the RER A line opened on this eastern section. Literally overnight, users went from the steam train with a few passages a day, to the fast metro (100 kph) every 8 min. The shock was incredible in 1969 .
I wish you such a shock for the MTBA network, and success should be there, if it's done well...the success of the RER is well established.
There's really only three countries in Europe with an actual _decent_ rail system: Austria, the Netherlands and Switzerland. Germany is almost there but they really need to build more dedicated lines for their high-speed ICE services.
As for European rail companies in North America, Alstom taking over Bombardier will have effects, and the Swiss Stadler company is aggressively pushing into US regional rail. Stadler is even going to offer the KISS electric train set by 2024 on the CalTrain system, though they had to get a major waiver from the FRA and adjustments to Union Pacific freight train schedules to allow the KISS train sets to operate between San Jose, CA and San Francisco, CA.
Sweden, Finland & Denmark's systems work quite well I think, I think there are good systems in Eastern Europe, though I know less about them.
@@MaebhsUrbanity Sweden has a good network, but it's not as well-known (in my opinion). Everyone knows about the amazing coverage and efficiency of trains in the Netherlands and Switzerland.
SNCF is way better than the dutch system in my experience, for a way bigger and more challenging country too
Czechia has a great system. Poland's PKP is alright too
Germany has an amazing regional trains network though, the high speed issue is however really hard to fix due to the massive decentralization in the country.
just came back from 1 month in a Paris suburb, using transilien and RER on a daily basis. Its crazy how many people those systems can absorb! What they do really good there is the integration of stations to transfer between RER, metro and Trancilien. Like you most of the time you take the elevator 1 or 2 floors and that it, and sometimes walk for a bit in underground tunnels.
I think this is the bigger challenge for the GO RER, transfering to TTC Subway is often cluncky, I don't see it working well when 100's or 1000's of people get out of the same train and need to transfer to TTC.
Just imaging 500 passengers get off at Danforth GO , walk trough the narrow station access then on the sidewalk for 100m to transfer to Main st TTC station. not great.
Bonjour.
Where were you, exactly ? What area ? What was your commute ?
Great to see inspiration from Europe.
One of the most interesting experiments right now in Europe might be the 9 € per month tickets in Germany for regional trains. Yes, one month free regional rail for nine bucks. (Right now, roughly, 1 USD ≈ 1 EUR.) Regional as in regional and local trains, typically with no seat reservation. A 3 month long experiment (so 27 € for all three months). Go from Munich, past Hamburg out on the Sylt island. Dirt cheap. Do it all month long in your summer vacation.
As some radio commented: especially the young ones treats this as a German version of the old Interrail ticket.
It would be fun to see a video on this 9 € ticket but even more fun to get a deep dive into the European Interrail ticket.
Back in the day in the US, the main rail companies were GM-EMD, Budd, Pullman, Baldwin, ALCO, Westinghouse. Now it's Alstom, Bombardier, Siemens, Stadler, Kawasaki and Hyundai-Rotem
My Idea is that there IS a High-Speed Railway System in the US, that only connects cities that are in a range of 800-1000 kilometers. A example for that would be a high-speed railway line between New York City and Montreal, with stops in Kingston, Albany and Plattsbourgh. The idea is not, that people should go by train if they want to L.A. from New York, but they could take the train, that connects New York and Montreal in 5 or 6 hours, instead of the car or the plane. That´d be so nice!
See, I view it a little bit differently. I think a super long-distance connection, Boston-LA for example, actually makes sense, not because you're going to have a lot of people riding it from end to end, but because of the sub-legs that become easier to do that way. It's a pain in the ass to get between any two of LA, Vegas, SLC, Denver, Kansas City, and St. Louis, but a single high speed line would fix that for all possible combinations of those and beyond. If you want to get from Vegas to Denver in this hypothetical, does it get in the way that your train started in LA and will continue to Boston? Nope.
If Eisenhower had been a train fan instead and signed the FAHSRA act in 1956 instead, that could have been a reality. Instead, we got Amtrak. Oh well. You play the hand you've got, right?
funny thing, here in italy the etr521 (etr means elettric train) Caravaggio by hitachi is call "Rock" instead the etr 104 Coradia Stream by alastrom is call "Pop"
The thing that struck me most about finally using Crossrail / LizzieLine was how understated and subtle it all felt. It just felt like it was no big deal. The acoustics, the lighting, the furniture and signage integration, the generous but un-dramatic volumes. My experience is that to achieve this is really hard to do.
To put it another way, this is ‘just’ a train line. It has to move people from one place to another. That’s all. But how often is it possible to do that and feel like it was just so easy and a calm experience, especially in a city the size of London.
Modern trainsets are so much more silent than legacy ones. Tech improvement. It's true for plane engines and everything.
I wish more cities in my country develop rail transit systems, the only one is Medellin, and is by far the most livable city here. Seeing the shinkansen working is awesome.
0:09 owh, that's an ICE from the Dutch Railways (NS), pretty rare to see those :D
I love how you used one of the only ICE trains in the introduction with the Dutch Railways (NS) logo, as an illustration for Deutsch Bahn (DB).
Check the different logos on the nose of the train between 0:09 (NS) and 1:39 (DB)
Merkte dat ook meteen op xD
Wel een bijzondere spot gezien dat de NS niet heel er veel ICE's heeft (5 treinstellen vgm, hadden er beter meer kunnen hebben voor de Fyra ipv de V250)
I must admit that "commuter rail" is such an unusual and alien concept to me as an Aussie. It goes without saying that Europe has much better rail services than us, though ours aren't too bad, but the idea of a few trains going downtown in the morning and outbound in the afternoon peak seems like such an usual way to run a service that is very specific to North America. I actually didn't realise what 'commuter rail' was until you really began discussing it. I imagine whichever company wins will soon start lobbying (which seems to be where the real money in govt is in North America!) to start building more systems. It will lower overheads for the winning company, and if those companies see NA as a major growth market, then they will soon start lobbying. There's no point setting up factories, management structures and branding for one city, when you could make more money providing services for two cities. There's a vested interest in keeping a train factory running by getting in new orders when you have a presence in a region.
Commuter rail can be as simple as adding 1 or 2 carts to the train during rush hour.
11:16 Rock (Caravaggio) trains can operate on railways with high-floor stations too, such as Rome's commuter rail network
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The reason for the longitudinal seating upstairs, which you see on a few designs of low floor double deck stock, is that it provides space for the door opening/closing mechanism under the seats.
talks about Deutsche Bahn
shows an ICE in dutch NS livery
Tbf the NS Livery is basically identical besides the logo lol
And the ice3 is owned by DB because the NS has no facility to maintain it. It used to be a dutch train, but was given back to DB, just like with the "Austrian" ICE-T
@@FabiaLp That’s not entirely correct. NS still owns units 4651, 4652 and 4653. However, they are registered in Germany, as stated by the UIC code on the units (D-NS). Also, small maintenance is still carried out at Watergraafsmeer in Amsterdam. NS did sell unit 4654 back to DB in 2012 though.
Its worth noting that SNCF (via Keolis and Govia) and DB (via Arriva) both operate in the UK's privatised rail market. Govia (Go Ahead and SNCF) operates the giant Thameslink Southern and Great Northern franchise in London which seems pretty similar to the future of the Go network.
They also operated southeastern and we all know how that went...
@@memediatek DB's Arriva has done a way worse job of operating its train divisions I would say, Arriva Northern was also brought under Direct Operations, and Arriva Wales had an awful reputation.
Honestly I don't see Reece's enthusiasm at having the private investment arms of foreign railways control Toronto's commuter transit, but I do see SNCF as the better operator of the two.
@@Squaretable22 that's a theme for the UK. Look at japanese and dutch operators in the UK, they are all awful.
@@cooltwittertag yeah, I think having foreign operators running your railways is normally a bad thing, not a good thing, like i said - Reece's enthuasiasm seems incredibly naieve and misplaced
Great work men!
I cannot even tell you how much I would LOVE to have one of those new trains for NY and NJ, the current ones, even the most modern are pretty outdated looking and I'm tired of looking at them.
If the planning department manages to develop or improve walkability in the areas around the stations I think the whole region can expect to see a huge boost
When it comes to the Coradia Duplex, at least the one used in Sweden (we call it the X40), the problem when it comes to commuter rail applications is the slow boarding time due to the widely spaced doors and the split level. They are used on regional rail routes here in Sweden, i.e. services not within a metro area but still not really InterCity. We use the X60 (Coradia Nordic) model for commuter rail in Stockholm, single level with closer to metro-style wide more frequently spaced doors good for high passenger flow. There's also an X61 variant of this train that is used in other parts of Sweden, it has fewer doors and also toilets, designed for longer distance journeys.
I think DB and Alstom are going to win the contract because to my knowledge Hitachi has no experience with dual mode locomotives because I doubt Go is going to get rid of all the BI levels. as Alstom/Bombardier have the ALP45 and Siemens is soon to have ALC42E. Again local manufacturing with units already or currently made for Exo and NJT.
Well they have made Dual mode MU's
Hitachi has the Class 800 and 802 trains which are used in a number of Intercity routes in the UK. There were shown in the video.
DB and alstom did win but just so you know Hitachi does have a dual mode MU (actually triple mode as it can also go on batteries when the train arrives and leaves the station, using the stored electric power for better comfort) called "Hitachi Blues"
One thing I gotta correct: DB operates freight aswell, though in lesser numbers. Being a big company, I'm sure they can bully the big 6 (class 1 railroads, CSXT, Norfolk Southern, Canadian Pacific/SOO, Canadian National/GT, Union Pacific, and BNSF) into changing operations in the affective area of operation. Any operation in Toronto also has the ability to expand quickly, whether it be DB, or the SNCF, as you got Detroit, Buffalo and other points around Lake Erie, combined with the ability to hit other points such as Cincinnati via Cleveland, and/or Toledo, Chicago, Indianapolis, NYC, and Boston. I personally hope that Amtrak (despite it's usefulness) becomes so redundant in my life time, that I can tell the younger generations how lucky we where to have such a project.
I don't think I ever suggested they don't!
My only concern is that then these freight companies might just make deals together to protect their interest
None of these class one freight companies are small and they all have homefeild advantage
Who knows how that legal battle would turn out
@@dozergames2395 The legal battle is not the concern. They ALL just had a major blow with regards to Amtrak, and it's getting NATIONAL coverage. If SNCF, or DB jump on in the next hour, the railroads will have to much to handle, and thus, have to concede.
I'd love to see you talk about O-Bahn bus systems if you haven't already and potential electrification of these in comparison to simply installing a rail based system (tram, train etc)
I think you should do a video regarding Metrolink SCORE program and Link Union Station which will increase it's Regional Rail potential for the greater LA area.
I don't think many Americans know how big Toronto is...
Many think it’s as big as seattle, but when they visit are jarred.
It will be exciting to see GO Transit run by two European transport companies that know how to run a railway - at least on the infrastructure side of things. Many of my friends in Germany complain about DB hiking fair prices and delays along DBs commuter rail networks. Will these two companies be managing GO’s Finances too (ultimately the fare box) or just the trains and rail infrastructure?
Rolling stock from Hitachi would be neat as it’s Japanese technology, but the seating and the curved ceiling on the second deck feel a bit cramped.
Hitachi trains in Europe use Italian technology from Ansaldo Breda more than Japanese technology.
One transit system you could look at is the TRAX/Frontrunner system in Salt Lake City, Utah.
I would actually really love to see the Bombardier Twindexx Vario rollingstock used on GO. Itś a train I take home every day since I moved to Germany and I think it would be a good fit
If it's DB with Alstom that wins, GO have a better chance of getting X'trapolis (Cityduplex if bi-level). RER NG is the example or the older generations Z20500.
The first picture you use when talking about DB and SNCF is actually an NS train, In Belgium😅😁
Doesn't really matter as all your viewers probably associate that ICE with DB and don't recognize the station but I found it funny nonetheless.
Yeah I noticed it as well, for people who don't know the difference in logo's check the nose at 0:09 (NS) and 1:39 (DB)
The NS trains are pretty international. I see these trains regularly at Cologne Central station.
@@NikolausUndRupprecht yep the ICE trains from NS are actually only for that purpose. I think the destinations are Frankfurt and Basel, departing from Amsterdam CS and Utrecht CS
Why is the first picture representing DB an ICE from the Dutch Railways?
Can we get an update on NA HSR projects? Currently, I heard that in Cali, its on track. This is exciting for this and next decade
Isn't GO Transit already a commuter type operation? I'm surprised that the Stadler KISS EMU isn't being considered as a replacement for the diesel haul coaches currently in operation.
Odd, your videos haven't been showing up in my subscription feed but every time you post one they're on my front page without fail, and it's not like I've been unsubscribed by the "bug" that does that.
I think we are more likely to see Alstom electric locomotives purchased and the existing bi-levels continue to be used.
As an Austrian, I can say that SNCF is more renowned than poor Deutsche Bahn. After all the renewed rating in the german speaking world gows this SBB is what ÖBB wants to be and is what DB wants to be.
Idk if I understand your comment correctly but let me just say this: Most of the problems we Germans have with DB are caused by the rail infrastructure, which the government has a huge impact on, not necessarly the operator on it
@@Guy-Zero although i like ÖBB very much, I find it hard to compare it to DB. In factin most stuff I avoid doing such comparisons because one is much bigger in land size and population than the other
Most problems DB has are also a problem in France but much worse. Yes, DB has kind of a shitty image in the German speaking world, but don't even get me started about SNCF.
dude, SBB doesnt even have high speed rail, and Switzerland is an extremely small country. Theres just no comparison for DB. SNCF is better than DB though, I agree with that.
@@onurbschrednei4569 Gotthard and Ceneri base tunnel and and the railway tracks between the tow are High speed Rail.some bits on the Zurich Bern corridor are also higher Speed Rail
First thing that came to mind when i heard that Sncf and DB were fighting for the project i though. Why dont they team up?
North America I think gets passenger rail wrong, like in Ontario with their big double-decker carriages. Cause like in the UK they don't really have 'high speed' rail but it works. I get the whole thing with track ownership. But like why is it so hard for them to start, get out of the station?
Ontario doesn't get it wrong at all. Go Transit uses double decker carriages because it's a commuter rail network in the Greater Toronto & Hamilton Area & some places beyond with its hub in Toronto. It serves mostly those who commute for work. The passenger trains are run by VIA Rail & have regular carriages. They do the regional runs from city centre to city centre, ie, the Windsor-Toronto-Ottawa-Montreal- Quebec City Corridor. Brand new VIA Rail trainsets are due to be rolled out later in 2022. Both GO Transit & VIA Rail will be expanding their networks in the future as more people move into the region of Southern Ontario.
The ICE3 you showed when talking about DB isnt DB, its owned and operated by Nederlandse Spoorwegen (NS, Dutch Railways).
Super exciting
Could you please do a video about the faillure of the fyra train in the netherlands
i hope NA gets Regio2n looking sets, these trains are really really good, comfy, very modular and all
You made a mistake with the ice 3 train pic at the start that train belongs to NS the state railway of the Netherlands not DB. You can see this by the logo not being the letters DB
If DB and Alstom win, i could see some Coradia Stream HC go there....
They already won, will be using electric locos
Here's hoping for DB + Alstom
Can you do the swiss transit system🇨🇭?
When is the decision coming down on this?
It has. Deutsche bahn won
@@drdewott9154 Since DB gets GO, will SNCF get Montreal's EXO as "consolation"?
the big problem is trains can be good but if you don't have good public transit from the station you need both else you won't have good ridership, or you just subsidize suburbia more
Where can I get the picture in the back
Canadian winter do be in full force rn... :))
Jokes aside, wtf is wrong with toronto weather this week???
Well here in the UK, though not that much into the futer what with natinalisation, we have trains run by the Netherlands, Italy, Germany, soon Spain and Hong Kong off the top of my head. No SNCF subsiderys I think operate trains here, but RAPT(Along with the Netherlands and Germany) operate the London busses. Though of course all this is operations only, not the full design, construction and operation you have. It's funny how across Europe transit is almost all government run, just often not of the countries you are in.
SNCF is the majority shareholder in Eurostar.
SNCF about to recertify the bombardier bi-levels for 300km/h running
Whoever wins the contract, I think we all win with the new improved Network. The question of what layout the train will have is an interesting one.
Can you do a video on merseyrail?
Do antiquated rail standards and regulations hold back passenger rail in the US?
yes
RM: Having local assembly is really important.
NSW Trains: Y MY KOREAN TRAIN NOT FIT IN TUNNEL?
Also, Me: Hey, why not invite an Austral.... *Looks at Sydney*.... Never mind
That’s some great news
if they made a high speed line from toronto to ottawa, would probably be better then the flights people take every day commuting, especially government people, it seems there is a lot of flights in the morning and night from ottawa to toronto or other way around.
Deutsche Bahn previously had the contract to run Northern Rail trains in the North of England, and it was a total disaster.
Does Siemens have a bi-level model? The Hitachi Caravaggio looks like an interesting design.
yes the hitachi caravaggio or "Rock" as we call here in italy is a brand ne model whit 4 to 6 double dack.
Yes, the Desiro HC, is bilevel on the middle coaches and Single Level on the end cars. Also the planed New Railjet/Nightjet is a bilevel Push/Pull trainset capable of 230km/h
at the beginning:
Deutsche bahn
*proceeds to show a ice with a ns (nederlandse spoorwegen or in english dutch railways) logo
Honestly considering the DB's reputation that would be a strange choice but most importantly, how did the French manage to negotiate such a good situation, assuring they would win either way
The USA obviously has the largest rail operated Transit Operation on Earth when one combines local transit such as Subway Lines throughout all of the USA then light rail then commuter rail then Amtrak so as impressive as France, Germany, China and Japan may be as far as actually moving people by rail none equal the USA as far as the actual number of miles or kilometers available to any passenger for Transit. This excludes Bus transit which is also massive in the USA.
Ontario very much needs this project as as a former truck driver who had to go into Onatrio on occasion I found getting around Greater Toronto by a Class 8 Truck Trailer combo to be almost impossible...and that was more than a decade ago now.
Anyhow what the USA lacks for in speed in more than makes up for in just how extensive the network not only is but is in fact used, being used, kept in use, continues to expand. None of this is like the New York Central Railroad days of course which single handedly created modern New York City and now far more than that but yes absolutely Rail has had a truly spectacular resurgence in the USA for passenger work which has only been enhanced by the spectacular rise in battery electric power to move anything and now everything both out there in the wild but also inside upon the manufacturing floor. This has made moving goods and people by rail far more safe and reliable than was true even just ten years ago let alone over 100 Years when everything ran the rails to be moved.
Twindexx trains? good luck with that.
For us swiss it was a nightmare. Most things are bugged out by now but oh boy...
I hope that the SBB has learned it's lesson with it, and knows what not to buy next time.
We did the same experiences here in Germany (Schleswig-Holstein). They have a complicated scedule on RE7 and RE70 with coupling and decoupling along the way and it... never works. Too many trains are defect so trains have to run with 4 instead of 8 cars or one part is missing, so one destination is nit available and you need an extra interchange. It's a really good system in theory as it provides more trips (the rail line north of Hamburg is too congested, but with this coupling they can still provide a train to Kiel every 30 minutes). But sadly they chose Bombardier trains so nothing works
Personally, I don’t like the idea of national railway ran by a foreign company. Hiring foreign experts to help with the operations? Sure. But definitely not just full-on throw it to foreigners.
It’s just scary.
if they are more qualified why not?
It's not like Europe and Canada have bad relations, they're close allies so I see no reason to worry. (If that's your concern).
I get the sentiment
To me it is bad presidence to have an outside entity controlling and manipulating something that you at least want to become important to infrastructure
I WISHING THE PROJECTS DONE IN 4-3 years
Ansaldobreda, netherlands high speed rail be like🤨
Are you going to do a video on who wins when they decided
Already been decided, the DB and Alstom team won!
@@RMTransit I feel bad for Toronto residents, they will get the dreaded quality of DB services.
@@LeonardoFSI still probably 400 times better than any passenger rail service in North America
I wonder if European Railways expansion to Canada has to do with CETA?
did i miss the saturday livestream?
"Deutsche Bahn" shows ICE from dutch state railways
I think they must go with DB and Alstom.
Lots of old video clips of Kennedy GO Station.
Looking at the USA I always think that it makes the British railway system seem miles ahead, because it is, and people always complain about railways here but I think they aren’t too bad... not here in the south east anyway (I don’t live in the London bubble either).
Of course we need to think about improving and projects like the Elizabeth line, HS2 and northern powerhouse will really help with that but honestly I feel so grateful to be able to take trains to most settlements with a population of 10k+ in this area... of course I’m looking forward to passing my driving test but I know a few people that are blind and can’t drive, and some places it’s so congested that trains are a good alternative. Some friends that I have in the United States have never been on a train before and I said to them that if they ever visit ima show them what a good train network looks like.
Also: I acknowledge that Germany and Switzerland probably have more punctual railways and the TGV and ICE are better high speed systems but I’m tryna be positive, and I also live close to HS1 and on a line that connects onto it so I haven’t ever had any trouble with finding reliable High Speed Services before!
To be fair US cargo rail is okay not great or terrible
The problem is that passenger rail is viewed as a low class thing
So while cargo rail does well and is super reliable and profitable the passenger rail is almost treated like horse drawn carage
I feel like this video needs more diagrams showing how the future network will compare to european equivalents. Hard to follow the topic without those images
A diagram would rally just be the maps
Why so many re-uploads recently? Are you trying to get more views or were there problems with the original videos?
That’s what I think. And trick the UA-cam coding that he is posting more content up.
He makes a comment about it being cold outside and yet we're June
A ferry boat from st catherines to toronto would be nice.
Ferry from Toronto to Niagara Falls, NY would be more attractive. (Skip the land border wait!)
First: it is St Catharines. It has been tried numerous times. There was a regular ferry from Toronto to Rochester in the 19th century. A hydrofoil was tried out a few decades ago but couldn't make money.
Bureaucracy will long this plan by a decade probably. These people can't efficiently operate/expand TTC. Don't wanna get all hyped
Unfortunately, it appears the only winner in this battle is going to be the automobile, which has been king in North America for _decades._
Why is that unfortunate?
@@nonyafkinbznes1420 Because automobiles are horrendously inefficient and bad on the environment.
Let's hope cost cutting doesn't hit this hard. It's already happened twice under the family of this administration, third time's the charm?
Why not japanese rail companies?
Be careful what you wish for.
Deutsch Bahn are the owners of Arriva who have operated several franchises in UK and have not impressed anyone. I hear mixed stories about the performance of SNCF in France.
As for train quality, one of the pictures in your video was of the GWR Hitachi 800 series which has had quality and reliability problems from the start, and has recently suffered fleet stoppage due to cracking at the yaw dampers, which may be connected to the specification of the Aluminium being changed from previously satisfactory alloys. The trains built for Scotrail also had driving cab issues.
The Bombardier (now Alstom) trains for Crossrail were several years late in delivery due to multiple software faults. Rather ironic, that the factory in Derby was originally British Rail Engineering which produced thousands of reliable trains that are still in service today, but was privatised, going through Adtranz, Bombardier, and now Alstom.
I am not convinced that the constant buying and selling of companies and factories leads to a reliable product.
Does this mean the days of the private car, at least traffic jams thereof, are numbered? I hope so! Europe clearly won over North America in terms of design, mainly because North America got too car centric for perhaps their own liking.
Before DB goes to US, they shall get their stuff together in Germany! Nightmare of a service, always delayed.
That is because of the politicians and not the company. The Bundestag has to fund more infrastructure project. There is only so much the DB can do with the existing infrastructure.
@@derriegel5705 if they Do more track work, the german bloke complains about a shut down line or that All trains are delayed by a few Minutes. Idk... It is like you can't do things right for the "Michel"...
The problem in Germany is the lack of funding, we have a smaller network than we had in 1994 thanks to cutting costs and privatisation.
Instead of putting a few billions more into our train infrastructure we put 65 billions in the car industry..
@@derriegel5705 main issue isn't even the money, it's the people and them blocking and delaying building dual lanes and other infastructure project. despite already got the funding, Germany is far behind of their project for the rotterdam-genoa and berlin-parlermo cargo route. Germanys projects are even the simpiest: no basistunnels like switzerland and austria, no cargo hub from ships to train like genoa and rotterdam, just building dual lanes.
it's typically german, yes to train, windmill, G5 and all that stuff as long it's not in my backyard.
@@K2ELP And not even good car spending, rather outrageously expensive and inefficient e car technology.
The rail lines are only half of the problem. In practical terms, we need an URBAN RENEWAL INITIATIVE. This translates into cities and towns that need better zoning and land management, higher density walkable towns and urban centers connected high speed regional and long distance train system. They train station should be urban centers with affordable housing, emergency shelters. The outdated concept of mega malls can be easily replaced. This is a matter of national security and should be financed from the bloated military budget.
Regio2N in america 😵
Wait SNCF is actually respected somewhere in this world? lmao... afaik they are hated pretty much everywhere in Europe because of their airline-execs.
Most European BiLevel look too cramped for North Americans.
Keolis runs a regional bus service under regional umbrella in Montréal. Evolution is still a big project at a time.
And some person would be like: *"North Americans train aren't cramped because most Americans are fat"*
@@automation7295 sorry, I meant the upper level roof height. It looks more like a plane window seat.
@@yorkchris10 The Dutch are one of the longest people in the world and they can use both levels of double decker trains easily. So it would certainly be no problem for shorter Americans.
That is due to loading gauge that is used in Europe that is smaller than loading gauge in North America.
@@MrToradragon that's what I thought. BiLevels here quite often run on freight track which accomodates double stacked containers
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Twindexx are horrible trains. I take it regularly to Geneva and I can guarantee you that these machines are noisier and less comfortable than the old wagons
What? DB? Most respected? Every time I travel on DB trains they are delayed and/or defective, it's a horrible experience. SNCF is much better in it.
DB and high Quality haha by the way i live in Switzerland
Will the access to this regional train network is restricted by a social credit system?
Asking for the people that had their bank accounts frozen
I am hoping that the French team gets it