BR in the 1980s - The Alan Harrison Collection Part 45 Manchester Victoria & Exchange (British Rail)
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Part 45 finds Alan back in his home city, at Manchester Victoria. We initially see two empty stock workings arriving from Newton Heath, both in the hands of Class 47s. These are most likely set to form 1D34, the 0740 to Bangor, and 1S45, the 0750 to Glasgow, the latter having a Scotrail branded Mk2 BSO as the rear coach. With a class 31 stabled in the centre road awaiting banking duty, a class 56 heads a loaded ex-Stanlow Refinery oil train through the station and a class 47 hauled train heads for Redbank Parcels Depot. Alan then moves to the old Manchester Exchange footbridge which afforded excellent views across the station throat. The backdrop includes two great Manchester institutions, Strangeways Prison and Strangeways Brewery, original home of Boddingtons Ales, ‘The Cream of Manchester’. Amongst other workings, we see a class 56 restarting a loaded oil train and a class 31, presumably preparing to bank the train up to Miles Platting. The new order of a class 150/1 Sprinter DMU passes a first generation combination of class 104 and 101, one inbound and one outbound, both literally and metaphorically speaking! Another interesting DMU combination is a class 108 arriving with a 127 parcels unit attached, presumably running from Liverpool.
1986 की गर्मियों के दौरान, मेरे अच्छे दोस्त एलन ने ब्रिटेन के चारों ओर यात्रा की, एक भारी वीएचएस कैमरे से लैस होकर, रेलवे दृश्य को रिकॉर्ड कर रहा था। मैं आपको परिणाम लाने में सक्षम होने के लिए खुश हूं। भाग 45 एलन को उसके गृह नगर, मैनचेस्टर विक्टोरिया में वापस पाता है। हम शुरू में न्यूटन हीथ से आने वाली दो खाली स्टॉक कार्यप्रणाली देखते हैं, दोनों कक्षा 47 के हाथों में हैं। ये सबसे अधिक संभावना है कि 1D34, 0740 से बांगोर, और 1S45, 0750 से ग्लासगो, बाद वाले में पीछे के कोच के रूप में एक Scotrail ब्रांडेड Mk2 BSO है। बैंकिंग ड्यूटी की प्रतीक्षा में केंद्र सड़क में एक कक्षा 31 के साथ, एक कक्षा 56 स्टेशन के माध्यम से एक लोडेड पूर्व-स्टेनलो रिफाइनरी तेल ट्रेन और रेडबैंक पार्सल डिपो के लिए एक कक्षा 47 वाली ट्रेन प्रमुख है। एलन फिर पुराने मैनचेस्टर एक्सचेंज फुटब्रिज में चला जाता है, जो पूरे स्टेशन गले में उत्कृष्ट दृश्य पेश करता है। पृष्ठभूमि में दो महान मैनचेस्टर संस्थान, स्ट्रेंजवेज़ जेल और स्ट्रेंजवे ब्रूवरी, बोडिंगटन एल्स का मूल घर, 'द क्रीम ऑफ मैनचेस्टर' शामिल है। अन्य कामकाज के बीच, हम देखते हैं कि एक कक्षा 56 एक भरी हुई तेल ट्रेन को फिर से शुरू कर रही है और एक कक्षा 31, संभवतः माइल्स प्लेटिंग तक ट्रेन को बैंक करने की तैयारी कर रही है। कक्षा 150/1 स्प्रिंटर डीएमयू का नया क्रम कक्षा 104 और 101 की पहली पीढ़ी के संयोजन से गुजरता है, एक इनबाउंड और एक आउटबाउंड, दोनों शाब्दिक और रूपक रूप से बोलते हुए! एक और दिलचस्प डीएमयू संयोजन एक 127 पार्सल इकाई के साथ आने वाला एक वर्ग 108 है, जो संभवतः लिवरपूल से चल रहा है।
1986 کے موسم گرما کے دوران، میرے اچھے دوست ایلن نے ریلوے کے منظر کو ریکارڈ کرتے ہوئے، ایک بھاری VHS کیمرے سے لیس، برطانیہ کا سفر کیا۔ میں آپ کو نتائج لانے کے قابل ہونے پر خوش ہوں۔ حصہ 45 ایلن کو اپنے آبائی شہر مانچسٹر وکٹوریہ میں واپس ملتا ہے۔ ہم ابتدائی طور پر نیوٹن ہیتھ سے دو خالی اسٹاک ورکنگ دیکھتے ہیں، دونوں کلاس 47 کے ہاتھوں میں۔ یہ ممکنہ طور پر 1D34، 0740 سے بنگور، اور 1S45، 0750 سے گلاسگو بنانے کے لیے تیار ہیں، جو بعد میں Scotrail برانڈڈ Mk2 BSO کے ساتھ پیچھے کوچ کے طور پر ہیں۔ بینکنگ ڈیوٹی کے انتظار میں سینٹر روڈ پر 31 کلاس کے سٹیبل ہونے کے ساتھ، کلاس 56 سٹیشن کے ذریعے ایک لدی ہوئی ایکس سٹینلو ریفائنری آئل ٹرین اور کلاس 47 کی ایک ٹرین ریڈبینک پارسل ڈپو کی طرف جاتی ہے۔ ایلن اس کے بعد پرانے مانچسٹر ایکسچینج فٹ برج پر چلا گیا جس نے اسٹیشن کے حلقے میں بہترین نظارے پیش کیے تھے۔ پس منظر میں مانچسٹر کے دو عظیم ادارے، اسٹرینج ویز جیل اور اسٹرینج ویز بریوری، بوڈنگٹن ایلس کا اصل گھر، 'دی کریم آف مانچسٹر' شامل ہیں۔ دیگر کاموں کے درمیان، ہم دیکھتے ہیں کہ ایک کلاس 56 ایک بھری ہوئی تیل ٹرین کو دوبارہ شروع کر رہی ہے اور ایک کلاس 31، غالباً ٹرین کو مائلز پلیٹنگ تک بینک کرنے کی تیاری کر رہی ہے۔ کلاس 150/1 سپرنٹر DMU کا نیا آرڈر کلاس 104 اور 101 کے پہلی نسل کے امتزاج سے گزرتا ہے، ایک ان باؤنڈ اور ایک آؤٹ باؤنڈ، دونوں لفظی اور استعاراتی طور پر! ایک اور دلچسپ DMU مجموعہ ایک کلاس 108 ہے جس میں 127 پارسل یونٹ منسلک ہے، غالباً لیورپول سے چل رہا ہے۔ میں اس ویڈیو کے بارے
میں آپ کے خیالات سننا پسند کروں گا۔ براہ کرم ذیل میں تبصرے چھوڑیں۔ شکری
1986 年夏天，我的好朋友艾伦带着一个巨大的 VHS 摄像机环游英国，记录铁路场景。我很高兴能够为您带来结果。第 45 部分发现艾伦回到了他的家乡曼彻斯特维多利亚。我们最初看到两个空的库存工作从牛顿希思运来，都在 47 班的手中。这些最有可能形成 1D34、0740 到班戈和 1S45、0750 到格拉斯哥，后者有一个 Scotrail 品牌的 Mk2 BSO 作为后方教练。一辆 31 班停在中央道路等待银行值班，一辆 56 班载着一辆载满的前斯坦洛炼油厂石油列车驶过车站，一辆 47 班拖着列车驶往 Redbank Parcels Depot。然后艾伦搬到了旧的曼彻斯特交易所人行天桥，那里可以欣赏到车站喉部的美景。背景包括两个伟大的曼彻斯特机构，Strangeways 监狱和 Strangeways 啤酒厂，这是 Boddingtons Ales 的故乡，“曼彻斯特的奶油”。在其他工作中，我们看到 56 班重新启动装载的石油列车和 31 班，大概准备将列车停放在 Miles Platting 上。 150/1 级 Sprinter DMU 的新订单通过了 104 级和 101 级的第一代组合，一个入站和一个出站，无论从字面上还是比喻上！另一个有趣的 DMU 组合是一个 108 班，附有一个 127 个包裹单元，大概是从利物浦出发的。
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Happy days, back when Victoria was a proper station and proper traction reigned supreme :)
Absolutely Phil. I absolutely loved Victoria and spent many happy hours there.
Old Manchester Victoria was a great place to see a wide variety of traction and rolling stock. Very sadly its just a memory now.
I couldn’t agree more SA. I spent many, many happy hours there in my youth.
worked there early 80s , hurts too much going back seeing how nothing is left and nearly all the lancashire and yorkshire heritage gone
Oh happy memories 😃 It was one of my favourite stations in Manchester as a young Man train spotting. Red bank carriage siding just round the corner bankers pushing freight trains up the hill towards miles platting just heaven 😆 Now half of it as an arena and spaghetti wires everywhere lol 😆
Absolutely Stevie. I too spent many happy hours there. It’s hard to think that we just took all of this incredible variety for granted.
Manchester Victoria as I remember it! We'd buy a cheap day return to York from Preston. All of £0.90 back in 1972 and change here for a day out copping Deltics at York. Wonderful days. Thanks to you and Alan for the memories :-)
You’re more than welcome Karl. We used to start our days from Victoria with a cheap day return Manchester to Doncaster in our hands. They were valid via either Leeds or Sheffield, so we’d go out one way and back the other. Great memories.
I first started on The Railway as a trainee Signalman. I spent over 6 weeks in The Man Vic Signalling school. it was upstairs in the station building. All the rooms had the old fashioned signs hanging over the door with the relevant room displayed in Italic Writing. The Model Signalling system that we trained on is now in The National Railway Museum at York. Sometimes I wish I had stuck at Signalling instead of going into The Yards.
I remember seeing that signal training layout at the NRM several years ago Stephen. It was really quite impressive, and it must have been good fun to learn on. A friend of mine, who’s now a driver, started with BR in the property department. He was based in the bowels of Victoria, down a flight of stairs across from the booking halls. As I remember it, he wasn’t particularly fond of the accomodation, but I wish I’d had a chance to check it out. I’ve also heard there’s a cab of a class 142 pacer underneath Victoria somewhere!?!
@@kartwheelkarl Ha ha, I can imagine your friends take on that one. I have been down in the bowels of Rail house at Liverpool, it`s probably very similar. I don`t know about the 142 cab, but it wouldn`t surprise me. When the 158`s first came on the scene, they made a simulator out of an old Road Coach, my mate was an instructor on it and if I am not mistaken, it was parked up at Victoria, for Driver training, I actually had a go on it. That Trainee signal layout, used to be maintained by the S&T and it did everything that a main line Signal Box could do, complete with interlocking. Happy days. Stay safe my friend 👍.
When trains were trains and we hadn't heard of Northern Fail. Thanks for posting 😁
You’re more than welcome SRP.
fabulous to see this, exactly as i remember Vic and at the time i used to go there, stood on that footbridge in the old Exchange station many times. on cold days we would stand on the bridge over a waiting loco and get the warmth from the radiator fans! What happened to the station a few years later was just vandalism, ironic now taht there's talk of the arena being pulled down to make the station bigger again!
Thank you for the great comments Mike. It was unbelievable that a station with thirteen platforms could be cut back to four (plus two tram platforms). Are they really considering extending it again? I remember going on that bridge one evening back in the early 2000s. It was in a seriously dilapidated state, with floorboards missing, but you could still get to the old exchange island platform. Does any of that still exist?
@@kartwheelkarl I read somewhere taht they were looking to move the exhibition centre somewhere else and make the station bigger again, i cant seem to find any reference to it now though. As for the old exchange bridge i think its all gone now, it was still there until a few years ago when the redeveloped the undercroft. I hope they do extend the station again, it makes no sense to have so much traffic going through Piccadilly to Oxford Road line
@@mikebrennan6165 I have a feeling that the next time I manage to get back to my old home city, things will have changed a lot from how I remember them. Thank you for the great info Mike.
Great video, the DMU with a parcel DMU well good
Thanks for the kind comment Les. Really glad you enjoyed the video.
Today it's a concrete monster
Indeed it is Anne. Some people call it progress! I’m afraid I’m not one of them.
Back when loco-hauled passenger trains did real work.
Happy days eh TBG? Thank you for your comment and glad you enjoyed the video.
Nice video :-). Plus some brilliant footage of the BR trains you saw back in the 1980's :-). Nice stuff :-). I really like seeing videos of BR trains seen from the 1980's :-). There are plenty of trainspotters who have videos from the 1980's of the BR day and even the 1990's and I'm happy to see that you're one of them :-). Really some excellent stuff and a good set of views its received :-). Well done :-). Have a nice evening and take care of yourself :-). See you later Karl :-).
From your friend Foxy :-).
Thanks Foxy. Glad you’re enjoying the collection.
Its my very pleasure Karl :-). Have a nice evening and take care :-).
From Foxy :-).
Great video....spent many a happy day on Victoria .
You and me both Ron. Great times weren’t they? Really glad your enjoying the collection.
Nothing to add to the comments already made.Just SUPERB.
Thanks for the comment Paul. Really glad you’re enjoying the collection.
Loved the atmosphere of the old Victoria. Would have renovated, but the greed to build the Arena overrode that
The old Victoria was indeed a magical place wasn’t it Andy. Would have been wonderful if it had been fully renovated rather than so much of it being flattened. At least the terminating platforms (the area now used by metro-link) and main building were preserved.
Great vid, thanks :)
You’re very welcome Alan. Glad you’re enjoying the collection.
Amazing
Absolutely Conor.
The days when Manchester Victoria was a proper station with some character and top quality traction
Unlike the concrete hole it was turned into in the 1990s
If only we could turn the clock back and see those 25s and 40s struggling up Miles Platting bank
I couldn’t agree more TE37. What great times they were eh? Thank you for the great comments and glad you’re enjoying the collection.
Victoria is now a joke. In 1977 when I was a train-booker, it used to have the wallside pilot for banker loads. Loco hauled trains.
Now a shadow.
Indeed Dominic. Notwithstanding the loss of loco hauled trains everywhere, the station lost most of its personality and appeal when they built the entertainment centre on top of it. I haven't been back for almost ten years now, but I've been told that they've done a good job of renovating the old terminus side of the station.
You can almost smell the diesel fumes!
Wouldn't it be great if we really could recreate the smells of that time SV? I seem to remember Victoria having a smell all of its own actually, probably due to all of the smoke, diesel and grime that had accumulated over the years.
I really miss that Manchester victoria, they should never have demolitshed that railway station, it was so lovely in 1986
I couldn't agree more Deepak, and thank you for your fabulous comments.
Manchester Victoria was Manchester Victoria, sadly the station is no longer with us. Its very sad that's all gone. I remember train spotting at that station in 1987 it was my favourite station. The station should be renamed Manchester interchange
I couldn’t agree more with your comments Deepak. Victoria was indeed a fabulous station back in the eighties. Yes it was somewhat bedraggled and run down (as several other viewers have rightly commented) but for me, that was all part of the charm. I wonder whether you and I ever met and exchanged gen back in 87?
Railfreight 47/3 (47337 Herbert Austin I think) on the Glasgow. Did they swap it for a 47/4 or did they expect them to just put up with having no heat or air con until Preston?
Lovely shot of the 56 powering away just as the Cl104 DMU comes smoking past.
It wasn’t unusual to get a freight loco on the Manchester to Preston leg of a Glasgow service Andrei. Some time in 1986, I came back on the last Glasgow/Edinburgh to Manchester/Liverpool. The train divided at Preston and a 47/3 took us to Manchester. Frustratingly, the Liverpool portion got a Class 25 !! Proof that anything available was often used. Another interesting thing about the morning northbound service was that the Liverpool to Edinburgh portion was shunted onto the back at Preston by an 08. The guards used to get really cranky at anyone hopping aboard for some gronk haulage unless they had a ticket for Edinburgh!
I hope this return to Manchester doesn't mean this absolutely fantastic set of videos is coming to an end 😂
Not the end....but not far off! Only about another half hour of material left I'm afraid! We're now well into the seventh and final DVD that Alan sent me. Im really pleased that everyone has enjoyed the films so much though. And to think, Alan didn't think anyone would be interested!!!
One of the last great stations, waste of time now. Been ruined.
Absolutely Alan. The old Victoria had a personality about it that no modern rebuke could even hope to come close to.
Nooooo! What happened to the 25s at the end??
Don't worry Mat. The 25s start the next episode.
Didn't this station have the longest platform in the UK.
The longest platform in Europe (at one stage) extended from Manchester Victoria to Manchester Exchange. You can still see part of it extending past Manchester Victoria in the Salford direction today, although Exchange has been destroyed and the site has since been developed.
The platform footbridge at exchange was still in place up until about eight years ago, although it wasn’t in the greatest condition!
Platform 11 Now cut down to Platform 3
Absolutely John. A very sad echo of its previous glory as (I believe) the longest platform in the UK.
That's when the government should have been electrifying the line from Manchester to Blackpool and opening the Ordsall Chord.
I couldn’t agree more Stephen. Everyone could see back then that they needed a link between the two Manchester stations, and the electrification of the line at least as far as Preston (via both the lancs and Cheshire lines) always seemed like a strange omission when they electrified the WCML. Mind you, it did mean we got to watch the entertaining drags during weekends of west coast diversions didn’t it? At least the powers that be ha e now, at last, deemed it viable.
I remember going to Manchester Victoria in the mid 1970s, from memory there were terminal platforms from where the Metrolink trams now stop, also there was a platform that went from Victoria to Exchange Station which then looked intact but was closed. Been there recently, so different, sadly the station has lost a lot of its class, just concrete, does not befit a major city
You’re absolutely right Steve. The metro link now occupies the area where the Bury third rail electrics used to terminate. There were a few other terminating lines there as well that often used to have parcels stock in them. The old Victoria/ exchange platform was still in existence last time I was there about ten years ago, albeit in a somewhat derelict state. As was the old footbridge over to the island platform. I seem to remember that bridge used to carry on over to the Boddingtoms Strangeways brewery and the Strangeways prison, although I could be mistaken. I’m guessing that footbridge has now gone?
If it was my railway station, I would get rid of the new railway station and the stadium, I would get built again exactly has it was in 1844 I would once again open up Manchester exchange, and I would get shunter to shunt parcels during the day and night, I would definitely reopen red bank carriage sidings I'm very sad that Manchester victoria is exstinct, they have ruined the railway station, I want Manchester victoria back proper victoria Station, not that concrete station roof. I have not been back to Manchester victoria since 1996 I was crying when they got rid of my favourite railway station that I remembered, I have never been back there again, I won't be going be going back to that ruined railway station, there was nothing wrong with the old Manchester victoria it just needed a lick of paint and repairs.