My problem with Panerai: 42mm Submersible PAM682
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- The 1950 Luminor Submersible PAM00682 dive watch and my problem with Panerai.
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That bezel wiggle made my heart sink. Truly a horological horror
I hope everyone feels that way and sells them and floods the used market with 42 subs. Then I can get one cheaper
I think you'll find that on most rotating bezels, but that to that degree
I am considering a submersible for my next daily. Is this common on all Panerai submersibles?
I own this watch with the Bianco dial. I also own a rolex sub. The Panerai bezel action is the most satisfying yet mechanical feeling. I absolutely love the bezel on this watch and prefer it over the sub
@@stefanopasquarelli6084 how on earth did you get one?!?! My AD said they weren’t even shipping them yet
My jaw dropped at the bezel wiggle. For $8900 that kind of issue is unthinkable. The bezel on my $70 Casio Duro doesn't even do that.
With that said, *maybe* it's a defect they're willing to fix under warranty.
Mayyyyybe
@@YoureTerrificYes, make a warranty claim. If you have access to a Panerai AD, do the show and tell for them. They will have to agree that it is unacceptable.
@@jonathanl2748 It's not his watch.
@@gyang333 Ah, you’re correct.
the wiggle isn't nearly as bad in my 682, it's barely noticeable. so it's a case by case basis, but yeah Panerai needs to step up their QC.
I love this channel. Everyone can tell you love watches, and you're not remotely afraid to lean into the stereotypes and watch-nerd-ism's which makes for great, approachable, honest content. Keep it up my dude cause YoureTerrific...eh? eh? I'll see myself out...
Thanks so much. Glad my enthusiasm comes through.
I’m sorry, but I will NEVER buy a Panerai. Heard too many horror stories about poor manufacture quality. And there are just too many other amazing brands out there at that price point
Recently found this channel. Love the attitude of not taking this whole thing too seriously. The background music is always great and I love all of the vibrant colors. Another great video!
This was a perfect review. For me.
For us
@@YoureTerrific for me
Yeah man, that bezel wiggle is WHOLLY unacceptable. My sub-$1000 Halios doesn’t do that. Nor any Zelos watch I’ve ever held. Yeah…no. Like you, I love everything conceptually about the watch but those quality control issues have no business whatsoever on a watch listed at that price.
Agreed
Yep, the price tag is too high for that
Of course there are people out there that seek to hone in on one small issue to justify to themselves the junk they can afford because it doesn't do that one thing.
Alpina is just Great
Another great video! I agree with you on every point. I really like this watch but not for $9K (for me).
Yep. For us.
Second-hand market will set real value.
My 47 mm Submersible homage exhibits the very same looseness in the bezel. I would never have thought that the folks over at Kimsdun would go to such lengths to treat me to such an authentic Submersible ownership experience for only $25 (including shipping all the way from China)!
Yes. It’s quite acceptable at $25, I have to agree. How much was the real thing again 🤔
I change my mind, Honey I Shrunk the Panerai is no longer on my best movies of 2021 list.
Its the price and in house movement, for that money I'd get a FF Bathyscape and call it a day.
I dont understand why you only have 35k subscribers. you deserve hundreds of thousands moreeee!!!
Thanks. But I’m happy and surprised that anyone watches these videos.
Tried this Pam last summer and found it interesting for all the reasons you mentioned in the review. My only complaint is the price. I feel this watch is way overpriced
I think the whole reason why Panerai is able to charge more because in the world there is no other brands that looks like a Panerai.
When u buy a Panerai u get an iconic, hard to misjudge with another watch.
if you don't mind you can go the pre-owned route for Panerai, not the best value still but if you like the look, not too bad, you can find them 25-35% off retail.
@@lettuce1305 Yes buddy. Panerai best to get pre own. The resale value is not good. But i got it Brand new (Pam 1033 Gmt) because in Singapore can't find any pre own. Just love the look 😂
“Anything smaller than an Italian wall clock is horological garbage.” Haha, brilliant.
I can justify the issues. The finish is reminiscent of the military spec-ed era of Panerais to remind the user of it's "tough as nails, don't give a fk" heritage. Similarly, the bezel wiggle occurs due to the intentional use of low tolerances, so that it will be able to take a beating without popping off (like the AK-47).
In other words: iT'S NoT a FLaw, IT's a fEaTuRE.
I don’t have a problem with any of the issues you’ve raised. I just can’t get over hating that damn blue second hand. Deal breaker. Ideally, red would be cool. But yeah, red is reserved for Luna Rossa. I get it. Fine. I’ll settle for a simple white second hand. But blue? 🤮 FMD.
Great video. I agree with you totally. I have a love/hate relationship with the brand. There are several problems with Panerai. First, their Q&A is terrible. When purchasing a new one you have to inspect it with a magnifier and have them open the case back. Second, Panerai has made false claims about their, so called, in house movements. Finally, they are extremely over priced for what they are. The watch you discussed should be at least half the price compared to other luxury watches (I.e., Omega seamaster and Tudor peragos). I’m also torn between loving and wanting one, on the one hand, and focusing on all their problems.
Its a fashion watch. You want reliable, accurate and robust with insane quality? Rolex
You know Panerai as a brand is dead...QC issues,lack of wp,bad finishing etc... Off course if you like it I want stop you from buying it but,Panerai is not worth buying ...design is not everything and I value my money... Panerai is NOT FOR ME!!
About pricing.. spot on!
Great watch for max $5k, or even better $4k price range (if you can get past quality issues).
For Rolex money? No way!!
It’s still my favourite watch!!
Is it a must your wedding ring is on most of the takes while reviewing a watch? I am glad you love your wife so much.
Love it. I don't care that it has flaws. I bought the 42mm PAM 1223 and love it because its "for me!"
Good Lord. What a piece of garbage. Thanks for turning me off of Panerai forever.
Yeah, no 9k watch should have those issues. The bezel wiggle is INSANE.
Perfect video as always!
You about covered it! I used to have 12 Panerai models, now down to 4 and counting. Selling off everything because of the repeated bad experiences I keep having with the brand. Not sure what is going on with Panerai anymore, but I had enough! Recently, Panerai damaged one of my watches on service and has still yet to resolve the issue. From sending the wrong size straps (how does that consistently happen?!) to the poor customer service received by their online concierge and the various boutiques I frequent....I AM DONE! Panerai will NEVER get another dime from me. Love your videos, happy new year!
The prices on mechanical / automatic tool watches are a scam since the 1980-90s. If you inflate the price of the original Rolex Submariner that originally went for $130 in 1950s, you would get something like $1,500 now. But no, the industry pulled the carpet under after the quartz revolution (that almost destroyed it) and decided to rebrand “tool watches” to “luxury timepieces”, a marketing trick. So here we are, with a $9,000 watch that has a wiggling bezel and a half-assed brushing on the case. You tell me, what we should call that travesty!?
Once you start talking about thousands (plural) of dollars for a watch you're into the realm of luxury craziness. I've seen finishing as nice as that on a Panerai or Rolex on watches that cost two hundred dollars, let alone many thousands. And mechanical movement hype is just that, hype. Sure, some mechanical movements may be somewhat precise and have great power reserve, etc, but they all pale in comparison to plain Jane quartz movements that can be had in a watches you can buy in a department store. So watches like the Panerai don't make sense - they are emotional and irrational and so Panerai can charge whatever they want as long as people will pay. That Panerai is wildly overpriced when considered just based on function and quality; heck, it would be overpriced at $800, let alone $8000. The same is true for all luxury watches and nearly all mechanical watches. The ONLY question is are you willing to pay that much for the style and label, that's it.
Great review as always, you're one of the best in the business. As for Panerai which I love and own, I've been thinking of selling mine because I just can't get over watches that aren't accompanied by great bracelets? Weird I know but I guess I'm just a bracelet guy. Also, at retail, Panerai are grossly overpriced from a value standpoint, however, on the secondary market, they're much better priced. Happy New Years 🎆
PAM 1223 - Purchased and love it. Its "for me"!
Man, Panerai makes such awesome looking and unique watches. I would love to own one someday. 42mm is also a very approachable size if you can pull of a Seiko turtle.
However, I have been hearing about small issues here and there about it and I appreciate you for pointing it out. You are also not being too harsh. That is unacceptable for the money you have to pay for it. Thanks for doing such a great job contrasting the good and bad.
I'm sorry but other than style I've never seen the allure of Panerai. I like the look but the quality and price point have never jibed. I remember reading an article in Watchtime reviewing dive watches and the Submersible had a deviation of 14 seconds a day! Then there's the controversy of their "in house movement." The Truth About Watches sates... “The new P.9200 caliber used in Panerai’s recently introduced chronograph family is a basic ETA 2892-A2 with Dubois Dépraz chronograph module,” I could live with all this if the watch were say, $2800 but it's almost 10K. It's almost Hublot territory.
I asked my Italian friend (straight from Italy, he is) about Panerai. The first thing he remarked on was the lack of quality.
42mm Pam is perfection on my wrist.
You are absolutely right, For me….
Frankly Panerais are overpriced, not just this one… especially considering the in house movementgate
Your best video yet! That music was so cool and fit this video/watch so well. I absolutely love this watch too. I picked up an Omega Seamaster Diver 300M for my "diver on rubber strap" category. But one day I may upgrade to the PAM. There's nothing quite like it.
It’s critical to note whether the wiggle is specific to this time piece or to all submersibles… anyone can confirm?
It’s on many but possibly not all.
Love the soundtracks that you place over your content, this one may be the best yet. You need to bring out an album 👌
By the way, this watch is no longer for sale new. There is a new model, with leterring in blue. But not the 682.
I used to own one submersible titanium case 44mm but never had any of those issues with it. Was my favorite watch.
6:05 Wait what? Half the price? Watches that literally cost 1% of the price dont have those issues. Pretty embarrassing if you ask me.
I’m with you
Completely agreed. I was at a boutique the other day ready to pull the trigger on a submersible, then the bezel wiggle happened and I couldn’t believe my own eyes. This should be illegal
Will they fix it under warranty?
Turn the bezel. And you'll experience the best turning bezel. 60 not 120. I have a seamaster, new one, white dial, no wiggle., no nothing, but I turn it and it just sucks. The sound is cheap.
@@MrDiogo282828 yup submersible bezels have this tactical feel to it that is difficult to explain. I don't have any issues with mine and the bezel wiggle is barely noticeable in my watch.
Send it in if the bezel wiggles. They can significantly reduce the wiggle. Panerai's quality is as good as any other brand.
Thanks but no thanks. That’s a common response from majority of watch collectors when presented with a Panerai.
The case finishing and bezel wiggle are both unacceptable! Borderline laughable!
It’s healthy to laugh.
are all subersible have the same problem with the bezel like that???? please anyone with submersible confirm this???? i am about to buy one but lose interest after seeing this video
It’s common but doesn’t happen on every Submersible.
I feel sorry for this guy actually liking the brand, their shitty practices and general ripping the consumer off as much as possible. Poor guy.
Big money mate.
I see the issue you’re having.
If I dish out that sort of money I want to feel whole heartedly content, at one and completely blind sided by any OCD oddities…
For me….
Love you’re work mate.
Can somebody tell me what was the heck with the Brooklyn bridge model and the P9200 model?? Explanations?????
I TOTALLY agree with your review. I recently bought, after an arduous search of nearly 2 years, a PAM Submersible 1055. Same flaws as you pointed out. But I LOVE it!!!
It's not a flaw it's a manufacturing fault.
@@31hallite quality for Panerai is an OXYMORON. I have a 398 with THREE letter “e” engraved for the word STEEEL!!!
All of the points are valid exept the rubber strap. Plenty of watches 10x the cost with rubber straps.
I'm still stuck with your breitling super ocean, i think this was the highlight of your collection in 2021, that piece is just on another level...everything else looks wooden, at least to me..
September 3, 2021 ISS expedition 65 cosmonaut Oleg Novitsky wore a PANERAI Radiomir PAM210 during his spacewalk, making PANERAI the 8th brand to be directly exposed to outer space!
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Panerai with Hublot-like disregard for details here. Brushing unacceptable. Bezel wiggle appalling.
your right.....I love Paneria.....but your right, there's no value there, its like they just don't care.
Another problem is the raised indicator nubs. Instead of scratching these raised nubs will dent. There's no way to buff that out or fix it. And it takes very little Force to scar the nubs
this is terrible!!! you are not HARSH ENOUGH! Terrible Panerai!
I own the 42mm PAM01068 which comes with an interchangeable steel strap. I bought it under list and I think it’s one of the best watches that I’ve owned. I don’t care about the wiggle or the other minor details and it just feeds into the lets bash Panerai sentiment. Why would you wiggles the bezel anyway? 😀 The aesthetics and history of Panerai make it a compelling proposition and they now come with an 8 year guarantee. I just think some of these channels go overboard when they criticise these tiny and beautiful high precision instruments. Enjoy owning and wearing, and remember there is no such thing are a perfect watch. BTW.. I love your channel.
Lol at defending the indefensible because you have skin in the game. “Why would you wiggle the bezel”? Is that a comedy routine you are trying out? I hope that’s not a hill your willing to die on?
I came for the hairspllitting and You did not disappoint... for me.
Let's compare a $9k Pam to a Real World $14k Rolex. Let's presume the bezel motion isn't deliberately (both to absorb shock and let debris fall out).
You just want to whine to affect re-sale values so you can justify the purchase of an item with greater integrity than You are willing to provide...
to me ~
For me, I have an endless supply of pitchforks in my quiver aimed at Panerai,for me! Happy New Year 🎆.
I tried on a bunch of divers this week. Loved the PAM683. But with an MSRP it better have a killer movement (it’s got a good one, not killer). It better have a great bracelet (it only comes in a strap). It better not have any functional flaws (jiggly bezel issues). I LOVE the look and how the 42mm case wears, but can’t get over how much it’s overpriced. Can I afford it, yes, am I stupid with my money, no….their quality isn’t close to the boys they’re playing against, but why is this? Why can’t they get their shit straight and make this truly $9k watch?
Can you service your Pam? That movement is too much. My 2022 Omega Seamaster have a little bit of rotational play and North to South play...but just a little bit. I understand Omega made that or any other Diver watch to have a bit clearance and make the bezel turn more easy but not too easy like Rolex Submariner.
I remember my Submersible bezel have just a little bit of rotational play, North to South play also, but just about right.
I used to have PAM 1312, PAM 682, PAM 233, PAM 425, PAM 275 all together. But to be honest my best experienced with PAM only with PAM 1312. Now i only keep my PAM 1312. The rest of PAM, i sold it....especially with 8 days and monopulsante chrono, amazing that watches always have huge problems with power reserve..3 times serviced, good only for a months or two, then a mess again and again.
Sorry, for me it is a pocket watch worn on the wrist. The second hand at 9 and crown at 3? (Pocket watch 90 degrees rotated) It's like my Unitas 6498 movement I worked on to het in the hobby of watchmaking... Enjoy. Cannot discuss tatse🖖
Oh, a wiggling bezel I experianced with my AliExpress Seestern Doxa hommage...
Two questions: what is the background music you are using?!! Love it.
Next: did you notice any noise while wearing it. Like the rotor making excess noise when moving wrist? Mine does
I am clearly the wrong buyer for Panerai as $8,900 is ummm how do we say, way too much money for me. In fact, anything above $6,000 is way too much money for me. I could see myself at some point in the very distant future say it ten years when I'm 50 maybe possibly purchasing a $5,000 watch for myself, then again, probably I still won't.
These Panerai's keep increasing in price, and, yet not delivering the "feel return" needed for this price. From an artistic/design direction, it is missing something. From a value you for money, it's missing something. From a structural/solidity stand point, it is missing something.
Does it have the Bettarini design ethos? A bit. Does it have well manufactured parts? A bit. Is it cool? A bit. Is it a reliable ETA movement? A Bit.
And for $8,900 + Tax = $9,778.43 is it money well spent? Not for me, as I am not Panerai's target demo. I do not make enough money. It makes all of this a bit too much.
Any Sinn will give Panerai a run.. for quality, execution, consistency.. not to talk about price. Panerai is the high dollar Invicta..
I'm with you, I think modern Panerais are really interesting. The value is just dog shit, though. I can't get over their prices.
You have this watch. Its already not problem.
My VSF Panerai PAM960 replica is better finished then this. Look it up, they also have the PAM682.
Watches that cost 1/50th of that watch doesn't have bezel wiggle. You are surely not being harsh enough (and I say this as a Panerai-owner myself).
"Buon appetito e buona fortuna"
What do you mean exactly?
Panerai is a great italian story.
Respect for our military heroes.
I'm rocking everyday , anyday the 423 and 1305.. pam dna in 47mm is cool.. for me
Maybe it's a feature like the Seiko I bought where the lumepip doesn't align. Seiko replied and said that it is a feature😁I will never buy another Seiko watch again.
Post questions about QC of PAM on online forums, Paneristis will tell you
- case finishing doesn't matter, you're supposed to wear it rough
- can you rotate the bezel to measure time? If so wiggling is non-issue
- The crown doesn't turn smoothly when winding/adjusting, but can you set the time though? Can you? Be a man and suck it up
Panerai is a very unique brand with unique customers, all those qualities that general watch collectors look for are not appreciated by Panerai fanboys.
I dont have a problem with the bezel. Its perfect and i love my pam 682❤❤❤
Sorry but not sorry… should not warrant that price and have that wiggle and non uniform finish… seriously I love the non bezel styles of Pam… haven’t bought one cause I am scared but for Rolex level MSRP that is not acceptable… for me
Wow. I love Panerai, but not even my 90€ Vostok Amphibia has that bezel problem
Yes, my Pam 24 and 305 bezels wiggle too. Much worse on the 24 though 😅
If a Panerai speaks to you, it does it with the full set of hand gestures. If it doesn't, then please shut up. $8900 ought to buy a luxury time piece, This isn't one. For me.
My bezel didnt wiggle. Maybe yours is faulty?
compare this watch with the submariner is not fair. market price of this watch is $8000 while a submariner is $17000, which is more than double!
Typical panerai overcharging for a basic watch. A fool and their money etc...
My 20€ Rolex Submariner Aliexpress Homage has the same wiggle lol
More focused on that Rolex Explorer in the first minute of the video. LEGIT!
I dig your channel/reviews. Are you British? Your humour is as dry as a fine bottle of scotch whiskey.
So many better watches for a lot less money out there. $9000 for a poorly finished watch with a movement that hasn’t proven itself? Hard pass….for me.
Its not harsh. Thats a critical error. Sigh, Panerai. A brand I want to love but for this or that reason, I can't. Pricing is a big one. Their ever changing line-up is another issue thats annoying. Look at how the Radiomir line has been significantly reduced, for example.
Great vid
The bezel has movement to allow for sand ,salt while diving and won't seize.
The wiggle is not acceptable in any watch >100$. Embarrassing for the brand.
Wow. That's bad on panerai. 9000 dollars and bezel worse than a cheap seiko kinetic diver
Buy a Seamaster or a Tudor, or even as Superocean, and save some money. This watch is cool, and I do value uniqueness, but na. Too expensive.
Also a heavily used Pam so, it's hard to review the "quality".
For all you know, someone refinished the case.
I have to say, my 1980s Soviet Amphibia did not have that much play in the bezel. The movement worked just fine for 30 years and still does. Really not bad for a watch I paid DM 40 for.
in watches. I have two.
The lack of thought and effort placed into the date window drives me nuts. Panerai shouldn’t bother with a date window.
I know this is old, but thank you. Almost bit the bullet on this exact model today.
Oh man, that watch is beautiful. Beautiful enough to overlook any QC issues? Maybe. I've overlooked many Seiko issues for this reason, so long as the issues were easily fixable in the comfort of my own home.
Same happend to mine. So horrible considering we paying over 10k for it
That bezel has no business being on a $500 watch let alone a $8900 watch.
Yours is faulty send it back, hope you have it fixed by now.
I feel like there is an increase of f**ks in your storytelling. I quite like it. It is a usefull word. That would be my contribution of the day to the debat.
Fuck Panerai. You just listed all the reasons I sold all my Pams. I don’t miss any of these shits.