Harbor Freight Downgrading Tools? vs Viewer UPGRADES, Ryobi & Amazon
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- Опубліковано 28 гру 2023
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Today we try out Harbor Freight's Gen 2 Hercules HCB84B2 "compact" and the Ryobi PSBIW25 up against SeeSii's 3/8" compact and a viewer's own modded Gen 3 M18 compact impact. Very different ends of the impressiveness on this episode!
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Seesii is much lower in price atm when you click all the discounts: amzn.to/41xRxZt A Ryobi mid torque is also $99 atm amzn.to/4av6VJZ
TTC is on winter break next week. See you guys in the new year!
sisi is 130 usd now ... and 109 with discount... they are playing the change the price after the vide drops ..
Happy New Year!
Hey TTC, do you guys update your rankings as price changes?? I noticed the DCF921 is listed at $199 but we've been able to get it through Home Depot hack ($104) for a few months now..
I work at harbor freight and we just got in a 3/4 drive 1650 torque Hercules in
Why are they selling by the ounce
I am loving these Frankenstein/modified impacts. It's fun to see what is capable w/ parts already available or with what you are willing to make work together. Keep it up!
I'm sure MILWAUKEE is working on the new M18 COMPACT now with the same SETUP coming out next SUMMER
Ya I am surprised we haven't seen a separate bldc driver and going like 6s or much more like 10s
Dear Harbor Freight: _"If it's not broken, why fix it?"_
We all thought big brands would suffer because of HF. As it turns out, HF is suffering because of cheaper tools and fast online shipping. When the stores goal is to race to the bottom there’s always someone willing to go farther.
$....answer's always money
Probably just wasn't sustainable or profitable enough. Glad to have snagged one when they first launched.
Money.
I want to buy Hercules tools, because they are extremely good, with outstanding reliability and no electronics failures. But the Hercules $64 impact doesn't have a kit option, so you must buy a charger for $45 and a battery for $85. You end up spending $200. I wish Hercules would actually offer kit options on all their tools, instead of charging $45 for a little flimsy plastic battery charger? You can purchase a brand new Dewalt charger for $18 with free shipping right now, online.
Thanks Derick!!! That was awesome to see! Thanks again for sending it in!
My local Harbor Freight hasn't had the old Hercules model in stock for about 2 months and I got tired of waiting for it. I ordered the Ryobi from Amazon. Looks like the Ryobi was the better choice.
The old Herc was nothing to get excited over to begin with. But I guess it's pretty wild we're expecting something good from HF these days.
@@TorqueTestChannel Because for awhile HF WAS doing some good stuff. Seems they might be backtracking now to save a buck..
I've got the brushless new Gen Herc and it is fuggin tits. I have to run it in speed two for some applications because it's too torquey.
@@seymoarsalvage the irony.
@@DudeEggsI have the new 3/4 one along with the 1/2 one and the 3/4 Really does the job on Big NUTTS
I’ve been using the 3/8 SeeSii since June. It works for what I need. Getting bolts out after breaking loose, tightening 14mm cap screws before final torque, and breaking loose 50nm torqued bolts. I also have the green 1/2 inch SeeSii. It’s not bad for the price, but does lose to a co-workers Kobalt 1/2 inch.
My use case is pulling apart, assembly, and setting up injection molding tools. The 1/2 inch works well for breaking bolts loose up to 240 ft/lbs, but struggles if someone used an air impact and over tightened. The 3/8 inch works great for 10mm and smaller bolts or as a get it started before grabbing the torque wrench. Battery life seems to be very good. I’d be up for testing in a manufacturing environment if the need arises. I’ve been in skilled trades for over 28 years.
So that's what I was wondering: are the SeeSii batteries any good, in terms of their long term quality, their rated capacity, and their self discharge rate? Have you done any comparisons to see how many bolt operations you can do with a name brand tool with a new battery, compared to your SeeSii? In the recent Project Farm channel "Generic Battery" tests, he found that the cheap no-name generic batteries only had about 50 to 70% of their advertised capacity, but OEM batteries were about 95%. (I can't remember the exact numbers).
Love the hellspawn - really respect the effort you put into all of your content, I know that’s a ton of work!
Hey thanks man!
Welp, looks like we need to slap a square anvil on the Hercules impact driver since HF dropped the ball here.
I would love to see a review on the new Hercules 3/4" Impact Wrench!
I wonder if a spring spacer could remedy the hammer skip, and what that would do for the max torque
Big brain
Thinking the same thing, or just replacing the srock spring with one that needs more heft might do the job.
Thanks for testing the Seesii. I'd been looking at the Milwaukee 3/8" M12 for awhile since I have other M12 tools, but couldn't find a price I could stomach for a bare tool. I saw another review of sorts on the Seesii, and bought it during the Black Friday sales for cheap. I've been pretty impressed with its capabilities for the price, and it's nice to see that backed up with real world testing. The size is great, even if it is an 18-21v tool.
Woah, thank yall for putting HF to the test, I am very happy I picked up an old model while they are still on clearance now, saved some money and some regret. Keep up the good work ❤
Thank you guys for your unending dedication of bringing us quantitative numbers!
O boy, I'd love to see how the ryobi 12 Ah stacks up against the 4 Ah and the old 9 Ah on more tools. Almost 20% gains on this tool translating over to their high torque or 4.5" angle grinder could make getting one of those big boys a worthwhile purchase if you already have the tools.
2953 motor appears to be wound with two wires in parallel. This is often done as a single large strand of wire of equivalent resistance is exponentially harder to wind with. This likely means fewer turns per arm of the stator and likely results in a higher rpm/volt and lower internal resistance. The downside to higher rpm/volt is typically a less efficient motor but higher power density.
That said, I know these things as I used to rewind brushless motors for r/c aircraft. I had not really considered rewinding a power tool motor. Looking at the messy factory windings, I'd bet some gains could be made with a hand wound motor.
Glad to see a Ryobi back on the dyno. Nobody regrets those deep discounts when they come around.
Thanks for this video I've been searching for this torque tests on this impact.👍
And to think, I was mad when I got a gen1 a week before the gen2s came out 😂
I’ve been waiting for them to test the Gen 2 before I decided which to buy, Gen 1 it is 😂
I was kinda disappointed since I have a gen1 in 3/8" once I heard about the new ones. Hopefully I don't need to replace it anytime soon because I don't want a gen2.
@@chrisjones6002i think i'm delusional but my 3/8 vs my 1/2 is pathetic i feel the 3/8 has 0 power but they're the same
@gang-yc4je my 3/8" isn't very strong but it does ok with a 5ah battery. It will take lug nuts off at least. I don't have the 1/2" version.
@@chrisjones6002 huh. my 1/2 with the 5 ah is perfect for car, some nuts are unbelievably tight so the 1/2 ultra comes out but mostly the little guy is perfect
Mine was free with the purchase of the 5amp battery and a charger. $99 total... hard to beat at that price imo.
I would've called the Milwaukee Mod _"Hellboy"_ 😊 You know, due to being red _and_ having a giant rock hand that hits *really* hard! Of course, I'd be remiss to not mention he's also quite a handful almost all of the time... 😏
Anyways... End of the year, and just wanted to say how glad I am to have found you guys back when you were still under the radar! I don't have any need for the results you generate, but I do love the science! As well as the fact you are keeping manufactures in check.
So, again, thank you all for doing what you do. Your videos are not just informative, but *comical,* and we all need a laugh at the end of the day... ♥️🤘
_HERE'S TO 2024!_ 🍻 I look forward to even more, and even bigger, shenanigans by you guys! Hopefully that'll involve some similar home-brew frankenfreaks similar to _Hellspawn (Hellboy!)_ over there... Maybe some cross-brand swaps, or manually adding more windings??? 😈
Happy New Year 🎉 _(even if this _*_isn't_*_ your last vid of the year)_
"We all hate it, its awesome!" 🤣
Man... This is what I had in mind for the Kobalt XTR I sent you guys last year. Impressive stuff.
I wonder if you made a spacer to put behind the spring to increase spring pressure, if that would fix the issue of the increased RPM causing the anvils to skip. It looks like the anvil size is probably tapped out on this one, but it might make it get to max torque quicker, if every revolution was a hit. Also, might make it a little more consistent and less of a handful.
I mean, if going that far maybe try Mallory metal slug somehow? Like when crank balancing. That would allow you to add mass to the hammer without adding size 🤷♂️
Happy new year fellas.
Derek- what an animal! 😮 Job well done sir.
Gotta say, I have all the Ryobi stuff you'd use for "home" (we have 4 cars) automotive work, and I couldn't be any happier. For the money I spent vs the actual use I put it through it's an excellent value and more than enough power. For extra umph I have a breaker bar and a pipe, hahaha, but haven't found a need for that in the last few years with the P262 impact.
Thank you, this proves my thoughts about how far to go up the battery trail.
Thank you so much for reviewing this seesii! I’ve been looking at it thinking of buying it. Not a bad deal when they go on sale. Keep up the awesome videos
Have you thought about testing rotsry tools like Dremels before? A bit outside your wheelhouse, possibly, but I thought about this while browsing Home Depot and Amazon for one. There's plenty of examples on Amazon or Wish and some testing might do some good to see how well they can avoid getting bogged down during polishing or cutting.
That compact is my favourite and i have many others
it fits the best in the hand, the lights are better than others
i must say, using a 2 or 3 amp smaller battery is a must for feel
it’s just a quality piece
Nice swap! I still can't believe how little copper they use for these windings, they could fit almost double in there and get better power and efficiency. When will someone rewind one of these buggers 😅
Don't think that will have any big changes, the core is probably already saturated. But it would be good to see any changes :D
@@Damicske you would still get much lower resistance, it is very common thing to tune on small ev bike motors and you always see gains (can run them at much higher cont power) and that is how oem ev car motors are setup, with highest possible infill
@@jonWilk8156 I mean not so much on per tool basis, but would probably add up for the whole production
@@riba2233 You cannot just add another wire or change to a thicker gauge one and call it quits! Especially in today's tools the circuitry and motor are closely interlinked with each other in terms of electrical characteristics! Said modification would only be safe if the Output driver stage is changed, to match your new Induction and Impedance values! In other words, you are just waiting for the Motor driver circuit to burn up. And that's usually the most expensive part of a drill...
@@Elektrotechniker sure you can. we are talking about BLDC control here, not BLAC or sine wave which need tuned values like you said. also you are not changing inductance or anything like that, just internal resistance which doesn't mean much for controller output stage.
Would love to see a video on some of the lower CFM pneumatic options (Like husky's 4cfm 800 ft-lb impact) which work a bit better than others with a smaller compressor
I do automotive and own the Hercules 20v impact driver and Gen 2 High Torque 1/2 impact wrench, both with 5a battery. Very content with them. However, their Gen 2 1/2 compact impact wrench is not very strong. It was hit or miss with lug nuts before I returned it. I decided to go with the Dewalt DCF891 (800ft/lb) with 5a Powerstack, as I wanted something close to High Torque numbers in a smaller and lighter unit (Hercules High Torque is of course somewhat heavy). But Hercules HT is very useful for bigger fasteners or trucks. I'm happy with the 3 tools and the range they can cover. The Hercules impact driver is surprisingly strong when used with 1/2 impact sockets and adapters. Because of this, I have not needed to get any 3/8 electric impact
Would love to see the Worx Nitro and Nitro sub compact as a comparison for this list. Love your content!
You should do a socket test similar to how you do the wrench testing!
I built a Frankenstein m18 impact that you guys covered a while back, putting a 1/2" anvil in an impact driver. It was a fun, spicy little meatball... right up until it split the anvil in half. But it happily chugged alont for roughly a year of daily use until it gave up fighting the good fight.
At half the cost of the ryobi, the new Harbor Freight still seems like a good deal. I got one, as I don't need more than 300 lb ft of torque for what I do, and it was the cheapest, readily available option that does that. It's been great so far. Ripped off some stubborn bolts from my old trans-flex-plate, and even got the yoke nut off the pinion (235 ft lb torque spec)
Ryobi brushless tools tend to perform better with higher battery packs iv notice it with most of my tools even my vacuum 🤨 great market strategy tbh
as a makita owner, i am now really considering the compact seesii if i can get a bare tool, not a kit.
I have put together my "beans" last week, but used molicel P42As, looking forward to what it can do with the XWT17Z...
Awesome channel, thanks for the great content. Have you ever considered using a radio control car motor/lipo battery combo to make a Franken-torque beast? It looks like they could make massive power and torque figures 😁
I love the channel you guys are the nuts! Is there anyway you could put the HYPER TOUGH 20v impact wrench to the test? I think it would be interesting to see what it can do.
Really like your videos man!!! Definitely glad I came across your channel!! I have a few m12 tools like the impact driver and the little wrench, I definitely want to get the m12 impact gun, I use my impact driver as one but it breaks the little socket adapters alot an I'm sure it's putting wear & tear on the motor lol
Thanks to your channel I was introduced to these various brands for the best value. The Seesii is good enough for me since I work on my own cars maybe 2-3x/year.
Just like a CVT on wheelers I wonder what a stiffer spring would do to help it not skip like the triple hammer.
Thank you for the video!
I would love to see some festool tests
Mmmh pity you didn't add the normal M18, just to see how that curve would go.
Great video.
Can you test on the dyno makita xgt angle grinder ? I use ga023 (ga005 should have the same power ) with 180mm concrete cut disc and in my opinion its really powerfull. Would be nice to see it compared with most powerfull grinders.
I just bought that M18 compact a while back. This is giving me ideas lol.
For that modded one you dont even need to buy the other tool, can just rewind it. Maybe even play around with different gauges of wire. The wire itself is cheap or even free if you take it out of an old drill in the trash pile.
The Gen1 Herc looks alot like the Bauer 1/2 compact brushless. If they are the same tool, I'm getting that BAUER! Before HF downgrades that one too...
The Bauer have a smaller motor. Otherwise the same
@@TorqueTestChannel I wonder how it comperes to this gen 2 Herc then. I have a ton of Bauer batts, so I been holding out on getting into the Herc line
@@seymoarsalvage Slightly under gen 2
@@TorqueTestChannel Ah, man, thanks for the reply! I looked and my store had the HCB84B in stock.. Guess I'm a Hercules fanboi now.. lol thanks and Merry Christmas!
I would really like to see if a heavier spring make the modded Milwaukee any happier!
I have made it a life goal to somehow get a modofied Parkside PDSSAP 1/2 impact driver to impact wrench to that dyno. However shipping that from Europe to the USA would be quite a lot more than the tool… still there is time and I hope a chance!
I think that Milwakenstein needs a dual spring to dampen the hammer dance. Kind of like a race engine valve spring
I was wanting you to try the small Hercules 1/2 and 3/8 to replace my 6+ year old kobalt 24v 3/8 but after seeing numerous videos and posts about the new ones not making enough power are they still worth purchasing?
I love the Frankenstein's on this channel. Maybe it's time to see about hopping up that spring and see if it hits more consistently
Had the exact same thought.
But then the question becomes: _whose spring to use..._ 🥴 Not just due to being stiffer, but that will also *fit!*
@@DUKE_of_RAMBLE between Mr TTC himself and the fan base I'm sure it can be done. I wonder if just stretching the stock spring to add more preload would change things.
@@bryceridesbikes _"In order to stretch the coil the steel would have to be stretch beyond it's yield point. Doing this weakens the spring and the spring will come back to it's original height and then slowly lose height."_
[Source: Eaton Detroit Springs]
I had to confirm a suspicion I had, based on playing with springs, albeit much smaller than that of the ones we're talking about (like, that of a pen's); still a compression spring.
They stretch, yes, but it's not a permanent stretch. I also suspect it could compromise is integrity, but I imagine that's only if stretched excessively far.
But yea, with how fast these things are hitting, it would resort back to roughly it's original height in no time.
_However..._ 🤔
Perhaps borrowing a trick from valve springs could work, where you have *_two_* springs, one inside the other?
But even *that* might be a real difficult task, to find one that's both the right size AND isn't very strong to begin with, seeing as we're only trying to add a _little more_ strength...
And hey, maybe valve springs would be the place to start?? 😅🤷♂️
Perhaps from a lawn mower engine, or something similarly small...
Not sure how you would even test them but would love to see portable bandsaws looked into, both plug in and battery options. Been considering adding one to my toolkit but not sire whats worth the price.
Thanks for your testing! Very Sad to see the Gen 2 is not the dream I hoped it would be. I’ll be sticking with my gen 1
I would've appreciate you completing the testing with the Herc Gen 2. I install garage doors and I kill an impact driver every 6-9 months. That's the Milwaukee Gen 3 and Compact impact. The Gen 4 won't even last a month. I use an impact wrench to install doors as a result. I'm considering switching everything over to Hercules but I don't know if a Herc Gen 2 can keep up with a Milwaukee 2855-20.
Always fun and interesting. Than k you once again.
Please do the new 3/4" hercules
Such great content. We really need battery quality tests. Not power, but quality. There has to be a way to determine if Ryobi, Skill, Hercules, or SeeSii, batteries are any good? In the past I purchased new Ryobi tools, only to realize that their batteries appeared to function like used cells, with extremely high self discharge, and only a fraction of expected capacity. Surely the SeeSii has very low quality, or perhaps recycled cells in its packs? You guys have the ingenuity to devise some type of battery quality testing! It would be amazing to know if those cheap Skil tools have real batteries?
Ok upgraded from the earthquake 3/4" cordless to the new Herc 58887. Plus I have two 12A battery's. Was this a waste of money or a wise choice?
Wonder how the mod m18 would act with a forge battery or the Flex stack pack 24v.
Love your videos! Is there any way you can do a test with the seesii wh500? Its a 1/2in and sometimes cheaper than the 3/8in with coupons through amazon. Also higher rated torque
I love the scientific naming by the OP/view "Standard assy (reference)" lol
Thanks for your work.
Loved the video on seesii wh450 comparison, seems to be the closest budgetwise to a m12 stubby. Absolutly agree on it feeling really nice in hand, best $80 spent on a whim a couple months ago LOL
Just an idea for a future video, who makes the best "Compact" drills? I'm in the Dewalt and Milwaukee systems would love to know who makes the best power/inch kinda thing for tight access not all out max power
Cant wait for the ct9038 video.
Have you folks considered signing up for the off road games over at Matts Off Road Recovery? I think the TTC attitude towards detail and truth would be a great thing to see behind the wheel!
I’ve been waiting for you to do this new hercules compact gun, it couldn’t even take off a lug nut torqued to 80ft lbs, and on top of that it would shut off after a few seconds of impacting too.
Yesterday I bought a factory recon Ryobi PCL 250, 3/8" impact wrench for $25.06 including tax from my local Direct Tools Factory Outlet. They mainly sell Ryobi and Ridgid new, recons, and blems. My recon came with a one year warranty. But the store does not take returns for money, just exchanges, so I was a bit nervous. I was a little skeptical of this little unit even though I've seen positive videos and reviews. I bought this little lightweight tool primarily for lug nut removal. I had a stroke in 2020 that left my left hand kind of weak and gimpy so I was hoping this would help. It's supposed to develop 220 ft/lbs of torque. When I got home I took it out of its nondescript box which came only with the tool and a manual. Fine with me. I plugged in a battery. I have 2 batteries and chargers as I use the 18V platform for my string trimmer and blower. I tested the twister on my '06 Silverado lug nuts which I know where tightened to at least 100 lbs as I always check my lug nuts when I arrive home from my local tires shop. In fact I probably tweak them a little higher. The little tool zipped the lug nuts off with minimal hesitation, and I do mean minimal. It was almost instantaneous. Extremely pleased. This tool will accompany me and my family on trips. I know there are not Direct Tools stores everywhere but they do ship.
I’ve got the cheap little Ryobi pistol grip inflator/hand burner if used for longer then a few seconds. It’s literally nothing more then a little brushed motor and a switch connected straight to the battery. Just for kicks, I took 3 fresh off the Charger Ryobi packs and ran them back to back just to listen to the fan speed. Very unscientific I know but the standard 4ah was clearly slower then the 4ah HP(the current model) which was clearly slower then the current 6ah hp. I was really shocked to hear what a difference it made in such a basic tool.
When are you guys gonna do a vid on the new impact from snap on the ct9038?
But will these drive drywall screws? Do they have enough power?
Harbor Freight has an in-store deal right now for a free 5AH battery with the new torque only. Also the only Gen1 one in stock is 2hr drive from me VS 1 hour for the gen2. Might go with the Gen2 just for that lol
What are the odds? My old version of that 1/2 Hercules has stopped working and since I bought it before it had a 5 year warranty, it wasn’t covered.
I just left HF 30 minutes ago with the new gen with the lower output model wondering how it compared to the first one and find this video lol
You guys need to review the new Matco T-Rex impact gun
I wonder if the M18 mods hammer/anvil will get damaged by the added power
That seesii looks like an m12 stubby with an m18. You listening Milwaukee?
Mr. Torque. Is it possible that you can test the torque from consumer kitchen blenders. I don’t understand how they can draw 3hp from a standard 15amp plug.
That’s a great suggestion. Thank you for the idea.
it would be good to see the impact of battery swaps on impacts lol - but seriously - let's see how battery packs stack up to the beans!
I’d love to see some of these battery operated “power washer/sprayer” tested
Is there anyway you can test the Matcos latest 1/2in impact called the Rex?
So what you're saying is... The Hellspawn needs a beefier spring?
Speaking of impact mods, I wonder how hard it would be to turn a DCF899 into a DCF900 (torque wise). I'm not sure just how different they are as far as internals. Maybe allot of 899 owners out there that could see some big benefits. I can't seem to find any videos comparing the two. I don't own either one and am looking to purchase one here soon. Which is another reason I'm asking this question because I like the older analog switch but of course I like the new torque numbers from the 900. That being said, atm the 900 seems to be on sale in allot of places for around $280 for the kit. I appreciate all the videos and all the truth being revealed here. I can't thank you enough for all the info.
"If two face was a power tool" - LOL! Loving the comic book references.
It's probably the 21700 cells in the Ryobi pack. I've always said that the HP batteries should have 21700 cells in them especially since the competition is switching to pouch cell technology
Hell yea. I wonder at what RPM the impacts start to act like an ultrasonic engraver on your sockets hahah, probably 3000+?
Happy Holidays!
You should try out the Caterpillar brand power tools to see how they match up with their graphene batteries
I have the DeWalt dcf900 for heavy work, the Ryobi hp mid torque for the house working on family or client vehicles, and the Ridgid subcompact wrench for tight spaces where applicable . The first gen Ridgid has been a huge help for me, and I plan to get either the second Gen or the compact Ryobi. Or the right angle wrenches for that reason alone.
the rigid right angle impact looks good. How do you feel about the Dealt atomic 3/8
@@user-wt5bo7zd7y I could give that a try. But I will probably wait to see if DeWalt comes out with a right angle wrench of their own.
@@user-wt5bo7zd7yHAVE the RIDGID RIGHT ANGLE IMPACT WRENCH 1/2 it's great
@@DavidMartinez-lc6mu the atomic dewalt is like 4.8" and made 320lb on his dyno
@@user-wt5bo7zd7y I have watched the vids. It's really impressive for such a little guy. I might consider it.
On the harbor freight I wonder if they made improvements to durability and longevity.
9:03 "I must go my people need me"
The 3/8ths impact Hercules just released kicks butt so far
Awesome with the Mac mod ❤
direct tools factory outlet still has the factory blemish p262 for for $48, shipping is $15. I've bought factory blemish stuff from them before and have not been able to notice anything wrong with the tools
I found out that RUIBA Seems to be the original brand of seesii and some other makers
This motor + heavier spring + larger diameter hammer assembly(could possibly even shorten up the length just a lil bit more too)... c'mon Milwaukee!!!
Can you do a review on the new milwaukee 1/2 inche
It is the 2666-20
Looking at various products, one can't help but think some are almost identical beneath the colored plastic. The phrase "probably made in the same factory" is (rightly or wrongly) used a lot in recent months and years. It would be interesting to know what you have learned about drills, drivers, impacts, and flashlights. For example, Milwaukee's parent company makes Hart tools, but I suspect they make others.
TTI designs and builds Milwaukee, Ridgid (cordless), Ryobi, Hart, AEG, Empire, Imperial Blades, Stiletto, Kango, Dirt Devil, Homelite, Hoover, Oreck, and Vax.
Its not really a secret, its on their website.
@@Chris-du7hiTTI doesn't "build" anything, facilities in China do.
@@Chris-du7hi Thanks, but I know that, it was the lesser known "brands" I am more curious about. For example, I see many tools that appear identical to HF. And Amazon is another with mysterious parentage. Also, some of the expensive "German" tools look a little suspicious. But never mind, I'll find out some other way.