A critique of Sam Sulek, steroid use normalization and modern bodybuilding in general. Second channel: @mynattylife Spanish channel: @NattyLifeES Natty Talk playlist: • Natty Talk
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Bodybuilding and strenght sports like powerlifting, strongman, arm wrestling are all unregulated and dependent on juicing. Of course a lot of athletes juice but at least there are regulations against it unlike the ones above where juicing is expected. Seeing how accessible and widespread steroids are, I just don't see how it can be stopped.
Not just roids, but other PEDs like SARMs and MK677. I have a natty friend at the gym who is in the top 1% of natty physiques and strength who is talking about taking MK677 during his next bulk. No real reason, he doesn't have a problem putting on weight. He's just been influenced into thinking an experimental drug isn't a big deal, he doesn't want to take gear but has talked openly about TRT when he's older. I just think we've normalized so many maladaptive ideas and behaviors through our collective use of social media. Someone has to push back on this, those within the enhanced community don't do enough. Nobody is even fazed by the deaths anymore. Pete Rubish is one of the only guys I respect, he was very open about the horrible side effects he had, and he went cold turkey. He's now a runner who lifts on the side, still pulling 550 on deadlift after not touching it for 3 months and after running 9 miles earlier in the day. He's dropped down to 200-ish pounds and looks 10+ years younger than he did 5 years ago! He seems to really regret using, and he was a guy at the highest levels of powerlifting and social media clout.
He should start a UA-cam channel and training business..just market his crazy natural physique and the people will throw money at him. Steroids are for losers and top competitive bodybuilders.
@@bobjohnson1633 A counter culture for body building would be great. Plus from what I understand, most women don’t really find the roided look as appealing.
Steroids are just mean to achieve the goal. Real culprit is social media and attention. Take away attention and social media and literally nobody outside of few hobbyist who do this shit because for the love of sport and chemical side of things would take steroids.
yeah and looking like average guy who diets. yet, if you do this - please fix your partners form before recording it, unlike this guy. It just makes me angry when you critiques someone with FLAWS in you. Someone who just does what he loves.
he has: 1) decent physique for a user 2) money what do you have? Are you sure you physique are DECENT for a natural? Im pretty sure not. Do you have money for the rest of your life by doing what you love? shame people like you exist. I NEVER watched any of the Sam's vid, Im not interested. But guy doing what he loves (not drinking and writing shit on youtube) and gets fame for who he is. WOW, shame, right? Because of people like you world is doomed.
yeah im the same age as him, born two months apart. it's so insane what hes doing but i definitely respect him and his decisions. i prefer staying lean, i stuck with a swimmer build since i started because i feel the best that way. i still watch him quite a bit cuz he is genuinely very knowledgeable about bodybuilding and he seems to be a good guy. also he doesn't promote steroids or anything he's just honest about what hes taking, which is pretty commendable.
Man, you're doing a great job raising awareness among younger people, and even older people, not to fall for the nonsense of using these drugs. We are together, my brother! And speaking of which, your shape is great, from now on it's just evolution. Take care, brother!
Yep, I hope you continue making videos, its a breath of fresh air in the comunity, it reminds me a bit of the earlier videos of vegan gains when he called out many many influencers for their shitty advices and unhealthy habits.
@@NattyLifeYT One of the worst videos i've seen in a while. You're saying that it's obvious to anyone that Sam is on juice, so are 99% of fitness influencers and 1. if you juice without even knowing sides you failed as a human being 2. if you juice you're not gonna look like those influencers cuz your genes aren't anywhere close, 3. hope you get some cash out of this video lil bro
I couldn't agree with this video more. As a 76 year old who still works out with weights I began my journey into bodybuilding at age 15. As many young men at that time I was inspired by the classic physiques of Steve Reeves, Reg Park, Clarence Ross, John Grimek and others of that era. I was fanatic about watching my diet, taking protein supplements, drinking only water and milk and living a heathy lifestyle. My first experience with a bodybuilder who used steroids came when in 1967 when I was at Ft. Sam Houston in 1967. I came out of basic training weighing 155 lbs but in 10 weeks working out in our company gym, which rivaled a Gold's Gym, I had the opportunity to meet and workout with a former Mr. Illinois. He was a big fellow, over 220 lbs with a barrel chest. We became training partners and after 10 weeks I had gained 30 lbs of muscle! I was bench pressing over 325 lbs and squatting over 400 lbs. He was really excited about my progress and said that I was ready to go to the next level, meaning taking Dianabol. I told him that I wasn't interested in taking drugs and that I was into bodybuilding to improve my body and to remain healthy. He told me that if I didn't take steroids that I would never be successful in bodybuilding contests. I told him that I could live with that. Over the years I have had the opportunity to meet Chris Dickerson who later won the Mr. Olympia contest and Kevin Levrone who placed 2nd several times in the Mr. Olympia contest. I have never regretted my decision not to take steroids to aid in building my physique. I built 18" arms and a 47" chest the natural way and I still work out to maintain my strength although now my main goal is not getting injured. Steroids have ruined bodybuilding, professional wrestling, football and other sports as well. When I see stories of young men dying at an early age as a result of steroid abuse it makes me sad and a bit angry because these people are living for the moment and gambling with their future.
Calling out football is a big no-no. It's fine to criticize bodybuilding and baseball but don't go there with football. That's when you look away and make believe that everyone is natural.
I haven't the slightest idea of where he is now or if he is still alive. This all happened in 1967 when we were in the Army training as combat medics.@@FrostySauce
We don't need more young men to repeat the failures of Zyzz, Shawn Rhoden, Joe Lindner, Rich Piana, Cedric McMillan, George Peterson, Andreas Münzer, Ben Harnett, Dallas McCarver, Jerry Wane Ward, Bostin Loyd etc.
I didn’t know Bostin Loyd died… I remember that he got a video years ago being a teenager on steroids and an amazing 1 year transformation. On the comments some people where saying he will die soon. Well they were right.
Yeah but his belief in absolute individual liberties is completely and utterly wrong, that way of thinking is a major part of what’s gotten us to this point
@@Saber23 Everyone has their own idea about what's harmful and what's acceptable. If you and I talked long enough we'd probably find plenty of shit to argue about. That's why I also support individual liberties - because nobody has an objective point of view, access to all the relevant information, etc. I get that people make bad decisions all the time, but the second you start allowing the government to interfere and restrict liberties for the common good, you start going down a path that leads you to ever-greater interference until you end up living in an authoritarian state. Governments don't let go of powers they've accrued. They just acquire more and more power until pushing back is nearly impossible.
@@rdrrr this comment is so stupid is genuinely don’t know where to begin addressing it 🤦♂️ no you shouldn’t support absolute individual liberties full stop this isn’t a matter of discussion your model has failed
@@Saber23 Is calling me an idiot the best you can do? Try and address my points if you can. Who do you think is qualified to determine what people should or shouldn't do? How do you ensure that restrictions on liberties aren't abused to benefit certain economic interests, control the media landscape, suppress dissent? What if the people making the decisions decide to restrict something you personally care about? How do you ensure it doesn't lead to a culture where people accept regular intervention by the state even when it's harmful? If you don't want to bother with this, fine, but it's arrogant to dismiss me as stupid out of hand.
This is EXACTLY how I’ve felt! I’m glad that there are definitely tons of natural athletes that wouldn’t ever touch steroids. I’m a certified PT and I’m going to make videos soon!
by natural athletes you mean guys who work out or actual ATHLETES? taking steroids and not competing is stupid. doing bodybuilding (real one) without steroids - is even more stupid and unhealthy. lets just please learn something about what bodybuilding means (natural or not). And not call (for example) people on the video - bodybuilders. they are not. They are people who work out.
I used testosterone for 8 months, I was 17/18, I'm 20 now. This channel helped me realize that I did not need it at all and I have been off for 2 years. More size came with the side effects, Body dismorphia, acne on my back and gyno. Looking at social media influencers using gear, I thought it was normal. This channel is the main reason I haven't gone back. I like Sam and respect all the other bodybuilders regardless of gear use, but taking 40 years off my life for an extra 30-50 pounds of muscle that won't even look good, no thanks. Gracias, mi corazon te lo agradece, literalmente. Fisico cultismo natural es la mejor ruta a la larga.
Comments like this make my day bro, thank you for sharing your experience. When I hear people say my content discouraged them from steroids it makes me feel like I all the time I spent on the videos has more than paid off. Best wishes to you 💪
When it comes to using gear u really gotta do ur research before hopping on u cant just take it bc u think its a normalized thing now. Do ur research and dont take any before 21 thats dumb also people respond differently to gear and iidk why anyone who doesn't take dis sport serious would even hop on, just ruining your health. Get your training and diet right + research and knowledge before even thinking abt touching the stuff.
Steve reeves, reg park and other silver era classic bodybuilders looked far better and healthier then todays body builders and the classic physics were based on different ideals then today . Todays bodybuilding is a joke seen as a joke
It makes sense that natural bodybuilding, like any sport, would evolve over time. We have way more knowledge than Steve Reeves had 70 years ago. We have non-competitive natural gym rats walking around looking comparable to Steve Reeves lol. We know shredded glutes are possible and we know how to maximize our gains from head to toe. I want to see freak factor on stage, and as a natty, conditioning + a complete physique is the only way to bring that freak factor. Today's bodybuilding is way more exciting and interesting than the silver era could have ever hoped to be. Sure, the silver era guys look more ATTRACTIVE in the every day sense, but we're talking about competitive bodybuilding here. @@RavageReeves
@@555donuts not really, that’s only happens if you have too much preservatives in your system. Sweating Never happened in the golden era yet they weren’t extremely ripped.
Reeves lives in a time when body building had better ideals based on health and balance... Todays era of bodybuilders is based on distorted perceptions and mass via drugs..its a joke and everyone knows it
I think everyone should try to look like themselves, or at least the healthiest version of themselves, trying to look like someone you’re not is what makes people do things like steroids, plastic surgery and what not. Just be yourself.
I don't get why everybody calls him a "nice, chill guy" when he makes content shaming people for being "small". He's actively contributing to body dysmorphia and perpetuating the idea that men should all want to be as huge as possible.
As a user of drugs that allow me not to kill myself I'd say there is a difference here, mental illness is like any other illness, sometimes you can't deal with it "naturally"
@@britainman3459he wasn't talking about himself but criticizing people who do live like he described. The final sentence would come with a sarcastic tone
Amazing that the idea to take drugs with side effects and take more drugs to fight those side effects with more side effects and the problems never ends.
@@ShaneBoynot wrong. Most over 50 are on something to remedy symptoms of something, and are on at least one other drug to remedy the symptoms of the original drug. A lot think this is normal
@@brucejensen3081it's a uniquely American thing. I read something the other day that went something like, "the US consists of 4% of the world's population, and yet uses over 80% of the world's opiates and amphetamines." I suspect it's a similar statistic with most drugs
@@NattyLifeYT I wonder what's gonna happen with Ozempic. You can see pharmaceutical companies hyping the hell out of the new generation of weight loss drugs, which they assure us have only mild side effects (pharmaceutical companies being highly trustworthy and interested in public health over profit, of course...) It's got the same "silver bullet" appeal as anabolics. Take it and your appetite just disappears. No self-control or lifestyle changes required. The question is what it does to your body long-term, and what happens when you stop taking it - you never solved the underlying problems, so if you stop taking it your appetite comes back and you'll pile that weight back on in record time... I've had people tell me it's fine and that expecting people to make changes to their lifestyle is unrealistic or even unfair. The idea that you should be able to fix everything with a pill is dangerous, but very widespread.
I've questioned the same thing for years. Bodybuilding used to be about the "beach body" look and was not only healthier, but much more visually appealing with some mainstream attention. Then since probably Dorian (big fan but just being real) it became a freak show. It's ALL about pharmacology now. Not a coincidence that it's more niche than ever. I definitely would love to see the classic standard come back.
Right . Like back in the day, if you were strong as hell, you were what everyone wanted to be . And as a side effect of being strong , you gained muscle . That’s all everyone wanted was to be super strong. Now it’s just “ how much can I look like I can lift “
Totally agreed people really need to realise that the whole bodybuilding sport has become the foundation of unhealthy drug abuse from getting in the best shape possible and staying healty
Yeah that "Beach Body" is the best looking type of body and my goals, modern bodybuilding just looks awful, even the natural part of it. The bodybuilders themselves naturally might look well but on stage is a whole another story.
What's worse is that nobody fools themself enough to consider a pro bodybuilder something like a friend. Sam Suleks videos are exactly like this though, his comment section is infested with victims of a parasocial relationship, pretending that the guy is basically their best buddy which only increases the potential dangers of this type of idolization, you should never obsess over anyone at all. It's not his fault, this just happens on the internet, I just wish it was more common to realize this is happening and not just falling into the trap.
you could say the same for every form of media, movies,series, other yt channels, books and games. whats your point? we consume too much media? thats a given, there are worse things to watch imo than a massive guy talking about whatever comes to his mind and about fucking pumps. at least he has a respectable personality and behavior, not easy to say the same for most popular modern heroe figueres, the majority of which are dishonest, pretentious and narcissistic.
@@richardlawson6787maybe, but this kid is literally wider than Arnold at 21, and already has really bad side effects. I don't think he's being smart about his use at all.
Sulek is not an example to follow but he is the product of what influencers are at the moment. Not going to lie mate: IT IS ON US TO PUSH BACK yes with explanations but even more leading the way. There are a great number of young people abusing steroids because they think it is not worth doing differently. We must be the ones to show the way. If we don't lead they will lead. We have to be the Goggins of body building and aesthetics.
Unpopular opinion: I think bodybuilding is NOT a sport. Let's be real: it's a beauty contest. That's it. A toxic beauty contest. Does it take effort and hard work etc? Yes it does, but at the end of the day all it is about is looking "good", even if you don't actually compete. That's why the merit of the work is shadowed by the final results. Do I enjoy looking at these montrosities of dudes? Yes I do. And I also know they could die at any moment.
But need to remember bodybuilders still stronger than most athletes. Including footballers, rugby player and some of them even stronger than powerlifter
Agree with your points completely. Best video about Sulek so far. I really like how you don't mince words, people have been too political and apologetic about this topic. Well done. Silver Era mindset is where it's at. Physique, aesthetics, longevity, health. Steve Reeves wanted to live to 100. If he hadn't tragically died of a pulmonary embolism after surgery, I firmly believe he's still be alive. He'd be 97 today.
I stopped watching Sam once he went on accutane weirdly enough. When I was in high school I developed cycstic acne and it was horrible, so accutane was the only option. When you go on that drug you are presented with a giant fold-out pamphlet of the list of side effects. It's extremely harsh on the body, I suffered from depression, stomach cramps, and my lips peeling off the whole way through. It's extremely hard on your kidneys and if you're already on steroids I can't imagine the damage it will do. When I saw Sam go on accutane to curb his acne I couldn't get over how casually he took it, and what he must already be putting his body through. It completely turned me off from his channel because I do not believe he will see past 30, I honestly don't know if he will even make it another 5 years. You can watch him turn red and dyspneic from just sitting in his car or talking which happened to Rich Piana towards the end of his life. I volunteer EMS and I can tell you this dude is in really really bad shape, he's showing all the signs of heart failure and it's getting worse. The last thing is that I've been going to the gym for years, and now I'm seeing tons of kids pour in copying his training style. They know he's on roids but still copy what he does as if it still applies to them. People are quick to hate on fake natties (e.g. David Laid) but a lot of guys could achieve a close enough physique while staying lean and off drugs. Sam is whole different beast, where following his regimen as a natural lifter will not get you even close to how he looks and he's clearly abusing steroids which might push people to do the same. Idk man, this whole situation is massively fucked up.
I think 🤔 what X does versus what they did to get there is a thing that would be valuable. Of course it probably pales in comparison with other natty transformations but I gained a lot of muscle with full body workouts. To a point. Then I found I could add another set and another and did that. Too exhausting. So I switched to push pull split, for the most part. . Usually doing legs with either one. So my advice wouldn't be push pull ( legs ) for a beginner. Or doing 6 sets. Just trying to do the same thing as someone else with different weights, natty or not, is probably not the best idea. I remember being toast after 3 good sets.
Womp womp If you really think sams gonna die that soon then you have no idea what you're talking about. Nick Walker is 30+ and no one takes more steroids than that dude.
Man Ive done acutane for a year and a half and yes my skin was dry as fuck and my bottom lip was ALWAYS bleeding but it honestly wasnt that bad. The side effects are different for everyone and most people dont get super depressed
Thank you for mentioning. Accutane gave me a rare autoimmune disease when I was 15, although I stopped using it after 2-3 weeks already. The autoimmune disease is fully healed (I‘m 29 now) but the triggered kidney insufficiency remains and I am expected to take drugs for my kidneys for the rest of my life to avoid a dialysis. It‘s so sad that having taken medications against acne for 2-3 weeks during my teenage life has given me tragedic side effects for the remainder of my life.
Proud lifetime natty here who’s continued making slow & steady gains through the years. Always makes me sad when I hear people actually believe that they need to jump on gear to keep making gains after only a couple/few years of lifting. I appreciate your honest take on this topic, and while I believe everyone can do whatever they want with their bodies, taking drugs to achieve a physique faster or on a higher level in general is very short sighted and something that most people will come to regret with all the negative side effects that frequently accompany steroid/PED use. Great video and messaging! 💪
I wish more people would come out and say what you are saying. The current generation has an even more distorted perception of what is naturally possible than prior generations, because they are bombarded by the imagery put forth by "fitness influencers" on social media - many of who use PEDs.
True classic bodybuilding there isn't Arnold Schwarzenegger Promoted health and fitness but also steroid use I got people wanting to be bigger and bigger and bigger than Arnold How many 18 year olds are going to look at bronze or silver era physique and say I want to look like that
As an always and ALL WAYS all-natural 54-year-old female bodybuilder bodybuilding for over 41+ years (started at 13), I completely agree with what you are saying here. Recently, I was wondering why there is not a community of those like myself who are lifelong non-competitive bodybuilders because we make up the majority of bodybuilders. Those who merely appear to be seen the most do not represent to ANY accuracy what bodybuilding really is and the spirit of it is. Thus, the solution is for more all-natural bodybuilders to engage in social media and show people what a normal, non-chemically enhanced physique looks like and how they achieve it through balanced nutrition, balanced workouts, stemming from a balanced mind that is aware that "more and more often with pharmaceuticals" is NOT the answer for a healthy long life. At 54, I am in the top 3% of health and physique and have had breast cancer. I am living proof that while it is true life happens, one can become a living example of what a true natural aesthetic and healthy physique looks and functions. Unfortunately, with over two-dozen young "enhanced" bodybuilders dying last year, these and those who are following in their footsteps will never know what it is to live to be 40 much less 50+. Thank you for making this video to open dialogue on this very serious issue. I say we form a community called "Natural Natty Life".
I would like to see how you look like, but not everyone wants to be exposed on social medias. . I'm a totally beginner and a woman. There is a big lack of : 1) True natty bodies 2) Women bodybuilders 3) "Elderly" boldybuilders (= people who can exercize after 40s because they didn't mess up their bodies) 4) No photoshopped shoots...
There already is a great community of natural bodybuilders however, called the "noble natties". Rather than form a seperate community we can join the noble natties to make the noble natties even more powerful
“One of the side effects of steroid abuse is getting very big muscles, so it’s all good” cracked me up. You deliver your points in a very balanced and well spoken manner. Great video ^^
It's starting to blow up. I had this channel randomly in my reco a few days ago, and now I'm binge watching it. I hope the algorithm will keep going with the good job.
Training for 3 years now 5 times a week for 2 hours - been off the creatine and proteinshakes for over 6 months now and honestly nothing changed at all - just a balanced diet and hard work - bronze era forever!
Oh for sure it´s very healthy and beneficial! But I just thought to myself nobody back in the days used 3-5 g Creatine a day so why should I@@mohammed_44er
I really enjoy Sam Sulek's videos but you are honestly correct on everything. I want to see Sam being healthy, and even if his size decreases, I would much much rather see that as opposed to him succumbing to his copious steroid usage.
Yup, a lot of us like Sam because of who he is, not the drugs, but we want him to make videos as long as possible, hopefully one day we can see him go natty
Ironically enough he’s at that border between natty attainable and outright mass monster. It would be great if he quite asap he wouldn’t lose a ton of size either.
@@justchilling704Nothing natty looking about his current physique, it's literally one of those physiques you look and see instantly it's roided, his massive back, capped shoulders and baloon chest are a dead giveaway. Iike Sam a lot, but i don't think he is looking healthy at all
@@fernandomaron87 Compare him to the professional body builders and you’ll see what I mean. He’s at about the level of muscle the Golden age guys were. He’s not a mass monster, so if he stopped he keep the overall majority of muscle tissue.
Real bodybuildong is much more about the journey than it is about simply getting jacked. If you offered me the body of my dreams magically i would decline, because i would be cheating myself out of the personal growth that comes with natural bodybuilding, but nowadays nothing works like this anymore, everything has to be immediate and easily marketable to the outside world, you have to fit in an instagram post, what is unimportant. Channels like this are a natural reaction to modern bodybuilding (pun intended) and they're definitely having a positive impact in the community. Keep up the great work and thanks for making the spanish channel! Un abrazo desde Sevilla!
What a marvellous message you have sent out Dante. It's great to see you and your partner and pet at the end, like a wonderful family that is enjoying health and life which the development of natural strength brings. I think I may have said this before, but I will say it again...modern bodybuilding is nothing more than chemically enhanced muscular obesity. Why "muscular obesity", because the amount of muscle obtained puts the body in an obese state. And if you understand obesity, obesity can be morbid, which means that it can cause disease. The physiques are taken to a point that is not just unattainable, but that causes disease. It is no surprise that most modern BB that push the limit die of cardiovascular or kidney issues, and if you compare the blood parameters of BB who have passed away, the results shows that they were suffering from severe metabolic disease. This modern drug trend is no longer a reflection of health and strength, but a chemical race to be the biggest, freakiest guy on stage, and an unfortunate race to the grave.
Thank you brother! You’re absolutely right. I’m so disgusted by the current state of things that I almost want to distance myself from the word bodybuilding. I might just start calling what we do physical culture instead 😁
@@NattyLifeYT well then that's what we should do. Bodybuilding has become a drug culture, whilst natural lifting is truly the cultivation of one's body and mind...physical culture. If the natural community is experiencing a new renaissance..then we are essentially experiencing the return of physical culture
My steroid buddy at the gym is large and muscular, but so is his gut. He looks like a muscular, fat guy. It's as silly as watching obese people compete in Iron Man competitions. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
The bodybuilding community has become so toxic most people don't believe you can achieve a good physique with a cocktail of drugs. Worried for the future generations
I want to make a confession here. When I started with the sport I was seriously thinking about taking roids. I did my research and learned a lot. In the end, what convinced me to not take them was the price. To get the good roids you pay a heavty price. Than you pay even more to get rid of the side effects. In the end I calculated c.a. 700€ a month just for the drugs. Together with a good gym and the cost for a better meal plan, it would have been a 1000€ every month. Long term effects aren't even in there.
I'm not trying to convince you to take steroids, but wherever you were looking you were about to get seriously ripped off. Steroids are cheap. A testosterone cycle can cost you as little as 25€ a month. Even pretty heavy cycles can be done for under 100 easily. In many countries in Europe you can buy testosterone amps from a pharmacy for like 5€ each, in theory you need a prescription but in practice you just need to know a guy who works there.
All you have to do is look at the guy's complexion to realize that something is seriously messed up internally, and will continue to get worse if he continues down the same path. He's headed for a heart attack, an aneurysm, all kinds of deep muscle tears or straight up mental illness. He's sacrificing himself on an altar, and it's pretty sick.
I take great pride in being “stock” after having been on a mission to not be a skinny whimp, since 2015. While I wouldn’t pass as a social media influencer, I never had to do drugs to get attention and compliments IRL. The trick was developing my shoulders to get a good shoulder:hip ratio. Obviously don’t shoulder max without setting up the rest of your body so it’s proportionally developed, you don’t want muscular imbalances and bad aesthetics. But that’s the secret, younger fellas. Shoulder:hip ratio will make the rest of your work stand out.
You got yourself a subscriber. Well put and close to how i feel about these horrible modern trends in the fitness/socialmedia areas. It's crazy how many people are so clueless and get sucked in by these influencers.
As someone who comes from a severely anorexic background, I find this absolutely fascinating. I was thrown in the hospital so many times, and certified more than once when I turned 18 and refused to go. Yet, for drugged up body builders, nothing. It's obviously a mental illness, they obviously have body dysmorphia, it kills at higher rates than anorexia, over a shorter period of time, and nothing! Their families don't appear to be freaking out, viewers who'd flip right out on Eugenia Cooney are fine with this, and nobody is talking about the impact it has on boys, and men in midlife who become vulnerable as they're starting to lose strength. There's no treatment centres, as far as I know it's not in the DSM, psychiatrists aren't out in droves talking about it, and promotion of an activity that is being abused in a way that destroys bodies is not even up for debate. The lack of response is bizarre - completely fascinating - but bizarre.
Because it's an art form. Hundreds of people visit the Olympia to see Chris Bumstead and millions share and view his videos while no one wants to see an ugly anorexic rib cage.
Yeah, well said. The medical / psychological fields and discussions seem very out of touch and often just won't acknowledge issues like this with any degree of seriousness. I wouldn't even say this is as widespread as anorexia for girls and women, but it definitely can have, and is already having a big impact on lots of guys' self esteem at all ages - and who knows, maybe it could become as widespread if left unchecked. I think it goes a lot deeper than just this stuff though, seeing lots of young guys with really bad anxiety and self esteem it is one of many issues that does not get spoken about very transparently and just generally the pressures young boys and guys in general are faced with are not taken very seriously or even talked about and that seems pretty stupid if ya ask me.
Just had a health youtuber asking me why I think his healthy lean bodybuilder with a bmi of 30. (competition Schwarzenegger) would need strong kidneys and heart.
It is in the DSM imo. It's just high level narcissism. How could you not be a narcissist when you're a pro level bodybuilder? Your entire life revolves around yourself and being as muscular as possible, for others (the judges), not even for yourself.
Where do you draw the line? Should we start sectioning people for being too jacked? The thing about freedom and personal autonomy is that people for better or worse a lot of times are allowed to make unhealthy decisions. I don't think it should be up to other people to intervene except in dire situations. And I even have conflicting views on that.
Today's bodybuilding is not physically or asethically pleasing in anyway. Back then, most would love to look like the bronze and silver era guys but I doubt anyone would want to look like this new era
I was in my late thirties when I tried a cycle. That's after 20 years of weight lifting. I used them for the next fifteen years. When I finally went heavy. That's when I had side effects. Knew eventually that it dead end. Now that I got away from them. I lift only a fraction of the weight. It is a slippy slope. And you are 100% correct.
I've lifted for 32 years now - obviously always naturally. Long term health should be the goal for everyone and taking roids for most people is ridiculous. The top guys are massive but they are not healthy and I can't see them living healthy long lives. A real shame.
I love this channel so much. Not only the insights from the health and past bodybuilding era, but for the present too, that is possible to achieve the best form of yourself in a world full of people trying to sell the unreachable. While I like Sam Sulek workouts and the man itself, I pretty much agree with you. Bad influence for the youngsters, but I cant blame him either, this system is fucked up...
I like Sam Sulek’s personality a lot, and his training musings are applicable to natty guys. But every time I think about how much I like him, I always add “better enjoy him while he’s still alive”.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kai Greene, Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, Dorian Yates. These are a few examples of bodybuilders who did copious amounts of steroids through many years, most of them in a reckless manner and they are still here, alive breathing. It's not like what Sam Sulek does is something new. In fact I bet he does it in a more safe manner since there is more information about ''safe'' steroids usage than ever. Not saying it is healthy, but to act like no one has done this before is just stupid.
@@edmundvalero6841agreed. people here talk like we live in a cave and know nothing. meanwhile pro bb is around for many years and athletes go insane and then just hop off gear (eg Kevin Levrone) and just keep on living healthily with millions of dollars and feeling of contentment about their life.
@@edmundvalero6841 Really hope Sam just comes out one day about his use and what does to be safe. Think it would ease everyone's worries if we know how much he's taking and if he's being safe. Dude is so chill and I like his vids. Just don't want the dude to go out young. Crazy thing also, We already saw the bad crazy side effects whatever he took cause his skin looks bad. He got the acne under control but it was so bad months ago.
I can't overstate the importance of the work you're doing to call out what's happening and to break it down so clearly. I hope you keep it up, your voice is needed.
personally I just enjoy watching Sam Sulek because he's such a humble and great dude, plus I feel less lonely when I watch his car talks because I feel like he's talking to me. but you are making a great point in raising this issue about PEDs and the young lifting generation !
Wholeheartedly agree. Bodybuilding more than anything to me was once an art and representation of the ultimate physical aspect. It embraced beauty and function. It saddens me greatly to see so many traceable bodies now claiming that it is still "Bodybuilding" it is no longer the carving of rock into a masterpiece, but an assembly line of slapped on clay.
Coleman cant even walk in today at the age of 60, flex wheeler had kidney disease and got amputated because of using steroids, el sonbathy died very young, arnold had open hearth surgery which was almost going to end his life, he was lucky. And this list goes on and on with many other sad examples.
started Bodybuilding at 17 , never took any drugs, i was duped for first few years thinking i could look like Arnold or Lee Haney natural. I got prtty big as far as natural goes, 18"arms, 53"chest, 26" legs, 17 1/2 " calves, but i hit a genetic limit and when i was offered drugs in the gym after 7-8 super hard years lifting i told them hell no! I NEVER regretted that decision, Now im 50 and look 30 cause ive allways trained natural (noticed when people used steroids it unnaturally ages them)
Once a life-enhancing endeavor, now life-shortening, and for achievements that are fleeting and illusory. Stay natural, people - those around you will be forever grateful. 💪
There is a new era of lifting coming soon, more and more TRUE admirers of the physical culture are coming together and recognizing the short comings that we as a society have accepted, it’s time for change
I fully agree with your message in this video. I also want to add that the real issue here is outcome focus, instead of process focus. The real beauty of training is the mental transformation that comes with the physical transformation. The knowledge that you, yourself did this with no outside assistance is incredibly empowering. Focus on the process and reap the benefits.
Bronze and Silver Era would be sad to see this. Even golden Era guys like Arnold dont really like those freak bodybuilders. for me it would be ok if there are different classes that have high level natural bodybuilders in it. But even the natural classes nowadays often look roided. and the overall flexibility and muscle control is totally lost in bodybuilding nowadays. but to be honest.. lots of testosterone abuse comes from low test levels in general. nowadays test levels are way lower then in the past. Its our food, water, air.. lifestyle, clothing etc. (-30 to -50% lower test levels nowadays!) So many feel already weak and chose roids. Just to be a bit more masculine and stronger. And im sure many then get addicted to the "power" it gives u. and gaining natural testosterone is hard.. no fap is hard.. clean eating can be hard.. and all those things like maca, ashwaganda etc. just help a little and is hardly noticeable.
You bring up some good points and I’m not sure on the solution. I think the environmental factors need to be better labeled, like what clothes specifically have hormone-similar compounds. We have done this with BPA bottles and now most bottles are BPA free, by merely shining a light on it people can better make choices that will have a positive effect on their hormones. Lifestyle factors are still being studied, things like no fap don’t seem to effect testosterone but I’m sure there are a litany of other lifestyle factors that are important. Lastly there’s diet, and the war on fat is terrible for hormones but fortunately that has been shown to be misguided however with the large variety of foods it can be hard to tell what exactly could be effecting hormones so negatively, soy for example has been demonized but now studies have shown that the hormones might have a negligible effect and with dairy, etc. who knows.
"Even golden Era guys like Arnold dont really like those freak bodybuilders" implys that even guys who did roids often dislike freakish mass monsters.@@spindriftdrinker
@@elQuestionare You could very well be correct about that - but here is the point. Think of an early steroid user ( like Arnold ?) who might be envious of guys at a later date benefiting from more powerful drugs and knowledge who are bigger. That kind of envious dislike is a very different thing from the dislike shown by Mr. Natty Life who is against all steroids.
Its cool to see you and your lady enjoying a good workout! You can see in the end of first clip she really supports your journey and enjoys the time with you. So proud of you bro!
The really messed-up part about modern bodybuilding culture IMO is it's so depersonalized. It's not about achieving a certain physique for your own satisfaction, it's about turning your body into a product. In the endgame of consumer culture, even your body isn't yours anymore. It's just another product to be displayed on the market for evaluation and profit extraction.
Arnold Schwarzenegger himself said that when he was competing it was all about symmetry and being visually appealing, but now it’s just about being freakishly big. Personally I’m a bigger fan of the aesthetic of bronze era bodybuilding. Examples being Eugene Sandow and George Hackenschmidt.
I personally think Arnold was actually one of the first to abandon symmetry, his pecks and biceps were much bigger than the rest of his body. I also think silver era and bronze era had the best physiques. Just look at Leroy Colbert, life time natty and a absolute unit.
@@fernandomaron87 I literally just looked up Leroy Colbert, and damn. I had never heard of the man, but now I’m glad to know who he is, thank you for sharing. Also, Arnold did have massive pecs and arms, but he had a small waist and large legs and calves. He could still do the vacuum pose whereas most modern pro’s can’t and he said as much. But it was that eta where symmetry became less important than size.
It’s crazy. If you go look at the last days of his bulk series… he does a physique check. He has a defined bulging six pack with chest and shoulder striations. And that is after a several month long bulk. A lot of which was dirty shit calories like whole boxes of cereal, gallons of milk, etc. It just shows how fucked the hormones are. Burning off everything that goes into the body.
i've competed natural competition before, i just realized that i've competed against cheaters, i won 3rd place, so i looked back and checked all the pictures they took and i just fuckin realized this 1st and 2nd places dudes won they been using something! pissed me off how i lost, i would have won 1st place. Things are gettin weird and weirder in 2023
Bodybuilding was about being healthy before all then being asthethic and naturally muscular while having peak natural physique nowadays bodybuilding is a freak death show
He's a nice guy doing simple videos. Considering how many negative videos are constantly being made about him, I'm honestly impressed he has sort of just stuck to his lifting, and just does his thing. He's just basically journaling. I get its easy to make these videos about him so everyone jumps on it. Yeah the roids can harm people, ultimately its their choice to do it. People act like he's some high end trainer/Olympian dishing out advice. He's says simple things like i did this exercise cause i like how it feels. "He cant program", "Oh no he programs by feel"... i mean seriously the complaints are ridiculous. Of all the shit going on the world, all the horrible human behavior, people want to attack this dude. This is all sort of ranty,. I have been meaning to do one response somewhere apologies for it being here.
I feel like sulek is less of an example you want to follow and more of an inspiration and motivation, I agree normalization of steroids is bad, but watching his videos and just listening is such a huge motivation to go lift and better myself. I refuse to use steroids, but I still look up to Sulek due to his pure dedication, and it’s hard to not be inspired to go lift when you see someone pushing themselves that hard.
There are a good number of natties on social media, with every bit as much dedication as juice boy. So your reason for supporting a guy who perpetuates steroid use in young men is crap, and you're doing a bad thing.
@@stevemann1299 Steve Reeves and Farnese Hercules are good archetypes of what to strive for. If you're naturally blessed with that V-taper structure, you could try to look like Steve Reeves. If not, Farnese Hercules is a better goal physique. Ultimately, it's impossible to look like somebody else so it's important not to get too caught up in the process.
@@anonymousman4419 Just be the best you can be. Being in shape and healthy is numero uno. The problem we have in 2024. Is people who cheated their way to their physiques. Fooling the gullible young men to think they can get that on Chicken and Broccoli. I would rather look like Marlon Brando in Street Car. Than any of these drugged frauds on yourube..
The "good guy" on steroids is the worst, it prints into people's mind the idea that steroids are socially acceptable. We went from the image of an angry crazy guy using steroids to the image of someone chill, nice and funny. Everyone feeding that new image contributes to young people crossing the line and ruinning their lives. The consequences matters more than the intent You've made great progress btw, good job !
I think you hit the nail on the head. The "good guy" on steroids is more dangerous than a roided meathead because at least the meathead is someone undesirable.
All you do is shame people who take steroids therefore making people less transparent about them. When people are less transparent it will be harder to find resources. People are going to do steroids anyway, all you did was make them do stupid shit and get laced drugs instead.
God, this is such a breath of fresh air. I can only watch so many Greg Doucette or More Plates More Dates videos before I feel utterly disgusted about the state of the sport.
Definitely get on board with Alex Leonidas, GVS, Natural Hypertrophy, Basement Bodybuilding, Abel SD, Alan Thrall… Renaissance Periodization is probably the only steroid-friendly Chanel that gets a pass from me, just because Mike’s knowledge of training immense and he’s hysterically funny
@@HexenStar I said screw roids too, I'll probably live a long life no matter how much I prioritize size over athleticism, are you conscious that people get to their 90s even tho they drink and don't do excercise??
I was into bodybuilding in my early 20ies, around 2013-2015. Nothing has changed since then. Just the faces of the drug abusers. Disgusting mass monsters who shame others on "not doing enough", "not giving their whole heart to the sport" etc. They're never talking about health, they're just talking about eating "more, more, more, more, more" (quote from Rich Piana). Bigorexia is a thing.
my son is 21 too and he told me just today about this guy. i rememberd his face from this video i saw before and now i'm here again. As you mentioned young people admire him and its really the case, i can confirm it with my son. now i'm afraid ! but he told me, he only uses his tips for training (they would be great) and nothing more... i hope so ! Yo Natty - can you drop a german Subtitle on this clip?? ... i want to show him clearer, whats the problem with Sam and Mass Monster Gear Infuencer in general ...
Hey man, I added German subtitles, they are google translated so probably not perfect but hopefully good enough to understand the video. It's nice to see a father and son interested in natural bodybuilding. Best wishes.
ohhh dear friend, thanx you soo much! - the Sub is working perfekt. I am very thankful, you are a great man. Wish you all the best. Your work is really fantastic! 👍🏽
I wish body building could return to men showing what peak human strength, health, and perform looks like. I want to see a Greek god on stage, not some grotesque mound of muscle and flesh. You should tell all the roid users they can't make more gains because it's a skill issue.
You are exactly what more kids need to hear. I am 15 and I have been working out for about 2 years. It breaks my heart to see how fucked up my beloved sport has gotten. Thannyou for sharing this knowledge.
Great video, you held nothing back, it needed to be said & needs to be said more. The mass monsters & top level naturals are both the furthest from health. The greats of the past would vomit if they could see what it's all come to
@@NattyLifeYT The Worst Thing is that these People destroyed the Pureness of the Sport…you can never be sure that somebody is enhanced And these Roiders have unlike most of the People the Passion for the Sport , so even if they would not abuse the Sauce ,they would have a 1% Phisique 😞
Glad to see this video released. I think Sam is a very funny guy and does genuinely have a passion for the sport. The problem being the sport itself, and influences he had when he started. I worry a lot about the people who watch him since I can almost guarantee he is going to end up inspiring multiple people to hop on gear for the sake of temporary gains. Like you said in the video bodybuilding is a health oriented sport and not just some sort of beauty pageant for grown men. Its a sad thing Sam never got see the other side of the sport.
The unrealistic expectation steroids create in beginner lifters is just so sad. Especially considering that when beginners see the limitations of natural physiques, they lose interest in lifting. It is possible to have a nice physique naturally (I have done it many times), but so few natties have nice physiques that beginners fail to get inspired.
Y’all are gonna hate me for this but, 2011-2017 Men’s Physique was the most Aesthetic period in all of history. Right before they turned into Classic competitors. They looked awesome and certain people might actually be able to reach that naturally. That’s what I’m shooting for. Sadik, Ferguson, Buendia, they looked awesome back then before they turned into massive Fiends.
I watched a bulking video with Sulek where he downs half a box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch before his late morning training session. Yeah, he can get away with eating junk like that in his early 20's (and metabolize all the sugar and carbs because of drugs and huge amounts muscle mass) but it catches up with you pretty quick.
I'm 31, been training for 4 years now, first year mainly to lose weight as I was inactive and was around 120 kg. I got to 90 kg in a year and stayed on 90 kg for 3 years but built muscles naturally and also doing lots of calisthenics. I feel strong, fast, functional, healthy and happy. I'm 189 cm / 6.2 so 90 kg is actually very ideal for me. I could look a bit more defined but who cares but me? I have a balanced life now and there's years of more progress ahead of me :)
Real Bodybuilding ended around 1980 shortly after the Zane-Arnold-Columbo-Ferrigno era. Even though most of the guys from that era juiced, they still had a natural aesthetic, and they didn't become so big and massive that they lost their athleticism, flexibility, and symmetry within a borderline natural frame. Even still, many from that era saw condequences from the minor cycles they took. Today's, not only bodybuilders, but also anyone surrounding the orbit resort to major stacking of a multitude of artificial enhancers, which loses the true appeal that was set forth and laid out by the earlier eras. It's all about trying to make money for them in their wins and garnering of attention, but the art has been completely lost.
12 year training natural. I'm 34 years old now first 8 years I did the bulk cut cycle. I've done strength training, crossfit style training, but my base has also been bodybuilding Frank Zane was a big inspiration for me. I've also loved bodybuilding and the pushing of the body with and without PEDs biohacking. But recently I've noticed a big drop off personally in training recovery, over all feeling of health. And I've been on the fence of going and getting on trt because it's a life long contract. I am going to get blood work done at the end of the month for myself to see where my levels are. Will I get on PEDs is still in the air.
Bro you are 34, i wouldnt use trt even if a doctor told me if i was you. There is a cause why you feel like shit you just need to figure it out on your own.
Take a break from trading for a month and then get back into it, far too many negatives from steroids , prostate cancer , hair loss acne etc .....the gains are only short lived .
You need to take more rest days. As a natural lifter and especially getting older you should always take a rest day after weight training. 2-3 times a week for someone your age
This video is also available in Spanish: ua-cam.com/video/Qjo4_wBFxys/v-deo.html
Translated and narrated by my girlfriend, who you see in this video :)
Seems like an ok guy, but terrible influence. He's only 22, yet can't speak without gasping for air.
He will be a good martyr
His influence is no good
Is he roided? -> Net negative
Thats a wrong question .
Ask yourself , why is he idolized. Then it will occur to you
Modern bodybuilding is essentially a competition of *who can consume the most drugs without dying.*
rest in peace Shawn Rhoden, Momo Benaziza, and Nasser El Sonbaty
Like drag racing. The best teams can build an engine that goes exactly a quarter-mile without destroying itself.
The worst part is that they influence young men to do the same thing 💉.
Here is the difference: Guys like Steve Reeves and the classic era looked GOOD. The guys today look HORRIBLE
Bodybuilding and strenght sports like powerlifting, strongman, arm wrestling are all unregulated and dependent on juicing. Of course a lot of athletes juice but at least there are regulations against it unlike the ones above where juicing is expected. Seeing how accessible and widespread steroids are, I just don't see how it can be stopped.
Funny how it's a massive scandal if athletes in other sports are found to have taken steroids but in bodybuilding it's just general practice.
(They all take PEDs)
That's because body building isn't about performing physical feats. It's about looking a certain way, which is the way you look full of steroids.
It’s not that funny. It makes sense
Because bodybuilding is not a sport, It's a men beauty pageant. That's why it's a bodybuilding SHOW not a competition
@@TheArchiver Also because its modern form is irrelevant to the mainstream sports community mostly because of how freakish it became
People got lost in the roids.
@@JDirty-w-tha-30too much sauce
Not just roids, but other PEDs like SARMs and MK677. I have a natty friend at the gym who is in the top 1% of natty physiques and strength who is talking about taking MK677 during his next bulk. No real reason, he doesn't have a problem putting on weight. He's just been influenced into thinking an experimental drug isn't a big deal, he doesn't want to take gear but has talked openly about TRT when he's older.
I just think we've normalized so many maladaptive ideas and behaviors through our collective use of social media. Someone has to push back on this, those within the enhanced community don't do enough. Nobody is even fazed by the deaths anymore.
Pete Rubish is one of the only guys I respect, he was very open about the horrible side effects he had, and he went cold turkey. He's now a runner who lifts on the side, still pulling 550 on deadlift after not touching it for 3 months and after running 9 miles earlier in the day. He's dropped down to 200-ish pounds and looks 10+ years younger than he did 5 years ago! He seems to really regret using, and he was a guy at the highest levels of powerlifting and social media clout.
He should start a UA-cam channel and training business..just market his crazy natural physique and the people will throw money at him. Steroids are for losers and top competitive bodybuilders.
@@bobjohnson1633 A counter culture for body building would be great. Plus from what I understand, most women don’t really find the roided look as appealing.
Steroids are just mean to achieve the goal. Real culprit is social media and attention. Take away attention and social media and literally nobody outside of few hobbyist who do this shit because for the love of sport and chemical side of things would take steroids.
Training in a home gym with your partner. That's a dream right there
yeah and looking like average guy who diets.
yet, if you do this - please fix your partners form before recording it, unlike this guy.
It just makes me angry when you critiques someone with FLAWS in you. Someone who just does what he loves.
@@RMJerich0 my guy, you are the definition of a loser.
@@RMJerich0 lol what
FOR REAL! literally said this exact statement out loud before looking at the comments haha.
Yes, and they can fuck after to count as cardio! Dream for sure😂
It truly is a shame that Sam is probably close to being middle aged and he’s barely in his 20’s
he has:
1) decent physique for a user
2) money
what do you have? Are you sure you physique are DECENT for a natural? Im pretty sure not.
Do you have money for the rest of your life by doing what you love?
shame people like you exist. I NEVER watched any of the Sam's vid, Im not interested. But guy doing what he loves (not drinking and writing shit on youtube) and gets fame for who he is. WOW, shame, right?
Because of people like you world is doomed.
yeah im the same age as him, born two months apart.
it's so insane what hes doing but i definitely respect him and his decisions. i prefer staying lean, i stuck with a swimmer build since i started because i feel the best that way. i still watch him quite a bit cuz he is genuinely very knowledgeable about bodybuilding and he seems to be a good guy. also he doesn't promote steroids or anything he's just honest about what hes taking, which is pretty commendable.
@littlescarfo no respect for a glorified drug addict
bruh
@@wazard5772
An old soul 🌹
Man, you're doing a great job raising awareness among younger people, and even older people, not to fall for the nonsense of using these drugs. We are together, my brother! And speaking of which, your shape is great, from now on it's just evolution. Take care, brother!
Many thanks for your kind words bro!
Yep, I hope you continue making videos, its a breath of fresh air in the comunity, it reminds me a bit of the earlier videos of vegan gains when he called out many many influencers for their shitty advices and unhealthy habits.
@@NattyLifeYT One of the worst videos i've seen in a while. You're saying that it's obvious to anyone that Sam is on juice, so are 99% of fitness influencers and 1. if you juice without even knowing sides you failed as a human being 2. if you juice you're not gonna look like those influencers cuz your genes aren't anywhere close, 3. hope you get some cash out of this video lil bro
I couldn't agree with this video more. As a 76 year old who still works out with weights I began my journey into bodybuilding at age 15. As many young men at that time I was inspired by the classic physiques of Steve Reeves, Reg Park, Clarence Ross, John Grimek and others of that era. I was fanatic about watching my diet, taking protein supplements, drinking only water and milk and living a heathy lifestyle. My first experience with a bodybuilder who used steroids came when in 1967 when I was at Ft. Sam Houston in 1967. I came out of basic training weighing 155 lbs but in 10 weeks working out in our company gym, which rivaled a Gold's Gym, I had the opportunity to meet and workout with a former Mr. Illinois. He was a big fellow, over 220 lbs with a barrel chest. We became training partners and after 10 weeks I had gained 30 lbs of muscle! I was bench pressing over 325 lbs and squatting over 400 lbs. He was really excited about my progress and said that I was ready to go to the next level, meaning taking Dianabol. I told him that I wasn't interested in taking drugs and that I was into bodybuilding to improve my body and to remain healthy. He told me that if I didn't take steroids that I would never be successful in bodybuilding contests. I told him that I could live with that. Over the years I have had the opportunity to meet Chris Dickerson who later won the Mr. Olympia contest and Kevin Levrone who placed 2nd several times in the Mr. Olympia contest. I have never regretted my decision not to take steroids to aid in building my physique. I built 18" arms and a 47" chest the natural way and I still work out to maintain my strength although now my main goal is not getting injured. Steroids have ruined bodybuilding, professional wrestling, football and other sports as well. When I see stories of young men dying at an early age as a result of steroid abuse it makes me sad and a bit angry because these people are living for the moment and gambling with their future.
Great comment, thank you sir. I wish you many more years of good health and strength
You made the right choice
Calling out football is a big no-no. It's fine to criticize bodybuilding and baseball but don't go there with football. That's when you look away and make believe that everyone is natural.
wheres the guy that offered you dbol now?
I haven't the slightest idea of where he is now or if he is still alive. This all happened in 1967 when we were in the Army training as combat medics.@@FrostySauce
We don't need more young men to repeat the failures of Zyzz, Shawn Rhoden, Joe Lindner, Rich Piana, Cedric McMillan, George Peterson, Andreas Münzer, Ben Harnett, Dallas McCarver, Jerry Wane Ward, Bostin Loyd etc.
Good riddance
@@kutaysuleymanogluthat's not it at all buddy
@@pretendthisisacoolusername3984 yeah list goes on, it might sound cruel but all steroid abuse deaths should be shown to the public
I didn’t know Bostin Loyd died… I remember that he got a video years ago being a teenager on steroids and an amazing 1 year transformation. On the comments some people where saying he will die soon. Well they were right.
You probably look the other way when obese people get diabetes or die around the same age, yet you care about bodybuilders? Very Interesting.
"Diet down to gulag levels" man that hit me outta nowhere 🤣
Yeah but his belief in absolute individual liberties is completely and utterly wrong, that way of thinking is a major part of what’s gotten us to this point
@@Saber23 Everyone has their own idea about what's harmful and what's acceptable. If you and I talked long enough we'd probably find plenty of shit to argue about. That's why I also support individual liberties - because nobody has an objective point of view, access to all the relevant information, etc.
I get that people make bad decisions all the time, but the second you start allowing the government to interfere and restrict liberties for the common good, you start going down a path that leads you to ever-greater interference until you end up living in an authoritarian state. Governments don't let go of powers they've accrued. They just acquire more and more power until pushing back is nearly impossible.
@@rdrrr this comment is so stupid is genuinely don’t know where to begin addressing it 🤦♂️ no you shouldn’t support absolute individual liberties full stop this isn’t a matter of discussion your model has failed
@@rdrrr lol also “the government” individual liberty leads ironically to more government interference then any other ideology in history
@@Saber23 Is calling me an idiot the best you can do? Try and address my points if you can.
Who do you think is qualified to determine what people should or shouldn't do?
How do you ensure that restrictions on liberties aren't abused to benefit certain economic interests, control the media landscape, suppress dissent?
What if the people making the decisions decide to restrict something you personally care about?
How do you ensure it doesn't lead to a culture where people accept regular intervention by the state even when it's harmful?
If you don't want to bother with this, fine, but it's arrogant to dismiss me as stupid out of hand.
This is EXACTLY how I’ve felt! I’m glad that there are definitely tons of natural athletes that wouldn’t ever touch steroids. I’m a certified PT and I’m going to make videos soon!
by training them@@aiazic.
genetics
by natural athletes you mean guys who work out or actual ATHLETES?
taking steroids and not competing is stupid. doing bodybuilding (real one) without steroids - is even more stupid and unhealthy. lets just please learn something about what bodybuilding means (natural or not). And not call (for example) people on the video - bodybuilders. they are not. They are people who work out.
@@RMJerich0doing bodybuilding natural is unhealthy? Jesus fucking christ this is the dumbest statement I've seen in a long time
I used testosterone for 8 months, I was 17/18, I'm 20 now. This channel helped me realize that I did not need it at all and I have been off for 2 years. More size came with the side effects, Body dismorphia, acne on my back and gyno.
Looking at social media influencers using gear, I thought it was normal. This channel is the main reason I haven't gone back. I like Sam and respect all the other bodybuilders regardless of gear use, but taking 40 years off my life for an extra 30-50 pounds of muscle that won't even look good, no thanks.
Gracias, mi corazon te lo agradece, literalmente. Fisico cultismo natural es la mejor ruta a la larga.
Comments like this make my day bro, thank you for sharing your experience. When I hear people say my content discouraged them from steroids it makes me feel like I all the time I spent on the videos has more than paid off.
Best wishes to you 💪
When it comes to using gear u really gotta do ur research before hopping on u cant just take it bc u think its a normalized thing now. Do ur research and dont take any before 21 thats dumb also people respond differently to gear and iidk why anyone who doesn't take dis sport serious would even hop on, just ruining your health. Get your training and diet right + research and knowledge before even thinking abt touching the stuff.
You’re a loser
Good for you for stopping.
40 years? Crazy
The Dark Souls hollow level of conditioning required in natural bodybuilding competitions is, in my opinion, the main factor holding back the sport.
That's what makes it interesting imo. otherwise guys look smooth and end up sweating out a bunch of water on stage. not a good look.
Steve reeves, reg park and other silver era classic bodybuilders looked far better and healthier then todays body builders and the classic physics were based on different ideals then today . Todays bodybuilding is a joke seen as a joke
It makes sense that natural bodybuilding, like any sport, would evolve over time. We have way more knowledge than Steve Reeves had 70 years ago. We have non-competitive natural gym rats walking around looking comparable to Steve Reeves lol. We know shredded glutes are possible and we know how to maximize our gains from head to toe. I want to see freak factor on stage, and as a natty, conditioning + a complete physique is the only way to bring that freak factor. Today's bodybuilding is way more exciting and interesting than the silver era could have ever hoped to be. Sure, the silver era guys look more ATTRACTIVE in the every day sense, but we're talking about competitive bodybuilding here. @@RavageReeves
@@RavageReevesalso arnold wasnt that low bodyfat no one in his era did and they looked so so much better
@@555donuts not really, that’s only happens if you have too much preservatives in your system. Sweating Never happened in the golden era yet they weren’t extremely ripped.
Guys like Steve Reeves should be what everyone tries to look like. He looked GREAT. Ask any woman. They guys now are revolting
I can't be expected to grow a beard like that. Don't be a jerk.
@@bobjohnson1633 true
Reeves lives in a time when body building had better ideals based on health and balance... Todays era of bodybuilders is based on distorted perceptions and mass via drugs..its a joke and everyone knows it
He looked better without the beard
I think everyone should try to look like themselves, or at least the healthiest version of themselves, trying to look like someone you’re not is what makes people do things like steroids, plastic surgery and what not. Just be yourself.
I don't get why everybody calls him a "nice, chill guy" when he makes content shaming people for being "small". He's actively contributing to body dysmorphia and perpetuating the idea that men should all want to be as huge as possible.
He's a guy in the early 20s. So his humor is relatable to much of the online community that "matters".
You can get huge naturally, there's no excuse to be weak.
It's all about drugs! Drugs for depression, drugs for social events, drugs for body building. Can't live life without ingesting something first!
Talk for yourself I, certainly can.
As a user of drugs that allow me not to kill myself I'd say there is a difference here, mental illness is like any other illness, sometimes you can't deal with it "naturally"
@@britainman3459missed his point
@@wan2shuffle I did and could do with you explaining it if you'd be so kind.
@@britainman3459he wasn't talking about himself but criticizing people who do live like he described. The final sentence would come with a sarcastic tone
Amazing that the idea to take drugs with side effects and take more drugs to fight those side effects with more side effects and the problems never ends.
I know right?🤣
It's so crazy that people actually think this way...
Polypharmacy is quite common, not only in bodybuilding.
@@ShaneBoynot wrong. Most over 50 are on something to remedy symptoms of something, and are on at least one other drug to remedy the symptoms of the original drug. A lot think this is normal
@@brucejensen3081it's a uniquely American thing. I read something the other day that went something like, "the US consists of 4% of the world's population, and yet uses over 80% of the world's opiates and amphetamines."
I suspect it's a similar statistic with most drugs
@@NattyLifeYT I wonder what's gonna happen with Ozempic. You can see pharmaceutical companies hyping the hell out of the new generation of weight loss drugs, which they assure us have only mild side effects (pharmaceutical companies being highly trustworthy and interested in public health over profit, of course...)
It's got the same "silver bullet" appeal as anabolics. Take it and your appetite just disappears. No self-control or lifestyle changes required. The question is what it does to your body long-term, and what happens when you stop taking it - you never solved the underlying problems, so if you stop taking it your appetite comes back and you'll pile that weight back on in record time...
I've had people tell me it's fine and that expecting people to make changes to their lifestyle is unrealistic or even unfair. The idea that you should be able to fix everything with a pill is dangerous, but very widespread.
Drug use,mass monsters,fake-nattys and now brain-dead influencers posing in good lightning/editing gains while making millions on newbies.
I've questioned the same thing for years. Bodybuilding used to be about the "beach body" look and was not only healthier, but much more visually appealing with some mainstream attention. Then since probably Dorian (big fan but just being real) it became a freak show. It's ALL about pharmacology now. Not a coincidence that it's more niche than ever. I definitely would love to see the classic standard come back.
Right . Like back in the day, if you were strong as hell, you were what everyone wanted to be . And as a side effect of being strong , you gained muscle . That’s all everyone wanted was to be super strong. Now it’s just “ how much can I look like I can lift “
Totally agreed people really need to realise that the whole bodybuilding sport has become the foundation of unhealthy drug abuse from getting in the best shape possible and staying healty
Yeah that "Beach Body" is the best looking type of body and my goals, modern bodybuilding just looks awful, even the natural part of it. The bodybuilders themselves naturally might look well but on stage is a whole another story.
It was still all about steroids before Dorian. Frank Zane was called “the chemist” for a reason.
Niche ? Those bodybuilders are getting rich with the number of followers they have
What's worse is that nobody fools themself enough to consider a pro bodybuilder something like a friend. Sam Suleks videos are exactly like this though, his comment section is infested with victims of a parasocial relationship, pretending that the guy is basically their best buddy which only increases the potential dangers of this type of idolization, you should never obsess over anyone at all. It's not his fault, this just happens on the internet, I just wish it was more common to realize this is happening and not just falling into the trap.
lol wtf
Good take, this a huge problem in many aspects of life, synthetic meaning.
Small correction, he's not pro. He will eventually (otherwise i don't even know what these 3g of test he is injecting are valuable or not)
facts, sam sulek fans are weird as fuck they basically worship the guy
you could say the same for every form of media, movies,series, other yt channels, books and games. whats your point? we consume too much media? thats a given, there are worse things to watch imo than a massive guy talking about whatever comes to his mind and about fucking pumps. at least he has a respectable personality and behavior, not easy to say the same for most popular modern heroe figueres, the majority of which are dishonest, pretentious and narcissistic.
he WILL regret his decisions at the very moment he gets a heartattack or aneurysm and is on deaths door.
but then it will be too late.
Yeah, or kidney failure unfortunetly, his diet is insanelly bad, which is sad because he seems like a stand-up guy.
I think the worst and humiliating is when guys have said their balls have shrunken to grapes and never grown back
On the other hand arnold was on steroids at age 18 and he is still kicking at 80 so he may get lucky also
@@richardlawson6787 Arnold isn't 80 yet!
@@richardlawson6787maybe, but this kid is literally wider than Arnold at 21, and already has really bad side effects. I don't think he's being smart about his use at all.
Sulek is not an example to follow but he is the product of what influencers are at the moment. Not going to lie mate: IT IS ON US TO PUSH BACK yes with explanations but even more leading the way. There are a great number of young people abusing steroids because they think it is not worth doing differently. We must be the ones to show the way. If we don't lead they will lead. We have to be the Goggins of body building and aesthetics.
You're absolutely right. It's massive uphill battle but I think it's worth fighting.
He is literal the opposite of every influencer
Sams not like most influencers. Down to earth loves to be huge introvwrted. Hes not bro im aesthetic i get money fuck bitches bradley martyn
you 100% dont even watch sulek as he isnt like all the other influencers
You don’t even watch his content lol you’re just abrasive towards him because he’s popular and you think he’s like every other obnoxious influencer
Unpopular opinion: I think bodybuilding is NOT a sport.
Let's be real: it's a beauty contest. That's it. A toxic beauty contest.
Does it take effort and hard work etc? Yes it does, but at the end of the day all it is about is looking "good", even if you don't actually compete.
That's why the merit of the work is shadowed by the final results.
Do I enjoy looking at these montrosities of dudes? Yes I do. And I also know they could die at any moment.
You said it perfectly, couldn’t agree more!
Agreed
But need to remember bodybuilders still stronger than most athletes. Including footballers, rugby player and some of them even stronger than powerlifter
Well put.
A toxic beauty contest has a name -- it's a freak show.
@@misterheavy2296 now read my comment
Agree with your points completely.
Best video about Sulek so far. I really like how you don't mince words, people have been too political and apologetic about this topic. Well done.
Silver Era mindset is where it's at. Physique, aesthetics, longevity, health. Steve Reeves wanted to live to 100. If he hadn't tragically died of a pulmonary embolism after surgery, I firmly believe he's still be alive. He'd be 97 today.
I stopped watching Sam once he went on accutane weirdly enough. When I was in high school I developed cycstic acne and it was horrible, so accutane was the only option. When you go on that drug you are presented with a giant fold-out pamphlet of the list of side effects. It's extremely harsh on the body, I suffered from depression, stomach cramps, and my lips peeling off the whole way through. It's extremely hard on your kidneys and if you're already on steroids I can't imagine the damage it will do.
When I saw Sam go on accutane to curb his acne I couldn't get over how casually he took it, and what he must already be putting his body through. It completely turned me off from his channel because I do not believe he will see past 30, I honestly don't know if he will even make it another 5 years. You can watch him turn red and dyspneic from just sitting in his car or talking which happened to Rich Piana towards the end of his life. I volunteer EMS and I can tell you this dude is in really really bad shape, he's showing all the signs of heart failure and it's getting worse.
The last thing is that I've been going to the gym for years, and now I'm seeing tons of kids pour in copying his training style. They know he's on roids but still copy what he does as if it still applies to them. People are quick to hate on fake natties (e.g. David Laid) but a lot of guys could achieve a close enough physique while staying lean and off drugs. Sam is whole different beast, where following his regimen as a natural lifter will not get you even close to how he looks and he's clearly abusing steroids which might push people to do the same.
Idk man, this whole situation is massively fucked up.
well said
I think 🤔 what X does versus what they did to get there is a thing that would be valuable. Of course it probably pales in comparison with other natty transformations but I gained a lot of muscle with full body workouts. To a point. Then I found I could add another set and another and did that. Too exhausting. So I switched to push pull split, for the most part. . Usually doing legs with either one. So my advice wouldn't be push pull ( legs ) for a beginner. Or doing 6 sets. Just trying to do the same thing as someone else with different weights, natty or not, is probably not the best idea. I remember being toast after 3 good sets.
Womp womp
If you really think sams gonna die that soon then you have no idea what you're talking about. Nick Walker is 30+ and no one takes more steroids than that dude.
Man Ive done acutane for a year and a half and yes my skin was dry as fuck and my bottom lip was ALWAYS bleeding but it honestly wasnt that bad. The side effects are different for everyone and most people dont get super depressed
Thank you for mentioning. Accutane gave me a rare autoimmune disease when I was 15, although I stopped using it after 2-3 weeks already. The autoimmune disease is fully healed (I‘m 29 now) but the triggered kidney insufficiency remains and I am expected to take drugs for my kidneys for the rest of my life to avoid a dialysis. It‘s so sad that having taken medications against acne for 2-3 weeks during my teenage life has given me tragedic side effects for the remainder of my life.
Proud lifetime natty here who’s continued making slow & steady gains through the years. Always makes me sad when I hear people actually believe that they need to jump on gear to keep making gains after only a couple/few years of lifting. I appreciate your honest take on this topic, and while I believe everyone can do whatever they want with their bodies, taking drugs to achieve a physique faster or on a higher level in general is very short sighted and something that most people will come to regret with all the negative side effects that frequently accompany steroid/PED use. Great video and messaging! 💪
He really thought we would believe him 😭
I wish more people would come out and say what you are saying. The current generation has an even more distorted perception of what is naturally possible than prior generations, because they are bombarded by the imagery put forth by "fitness influencers" on social media - many of who use PEDs.
True classic bodybuilding there isn't Arnold Schwarzenegger
Promoted health and fitness but also steroid use
I got people wanting to be bigger and bigger and bigger than Arnold
How many 18 year olds are going to look at bronze or silver era physique and say I want to look like that
As an always and ALL WAYS all-natural 54-year-old female bodybuilder bodybuilding for over 41+ years (started at 13), I completely agree with what you are saying here. Recently, I was wondering why there is not a community of those like myself who are lifelong non-competitive bodybuilders because we make up the majority of bodybuilders. Those who merely appear to be seen the most do not represent to ANY accuracy what bodybuilding really is and the spirit of it is. Thus, the solution is for more all-natural bodybuilders to engage in social media and show people what a normal, non-chemically enhanced physique looks like and how they achieve it through balanced nutrition, balanced workouts, stemming from a balanced mind that is aware that "more and more often with pharmaceuticals" is NOT the answer for a healthy long life. At 54, I am in the top 3% of health and physique and have had breast cancer. I am living proof that while it is true life happens, one can become a living example of what a true natural aesthetic and healthy physique looks and functions. Unfortunately, with over two-dozen young "enhanced" bodybuilders dying last year, these and those who are following in their footsteps will never know what it is to live to be 40 much less 50+. Thank you for making this video to open dialogue on this very serious issue. I say we form a community called "Natural Natty Life".
That's very well said, thank you for your input and support 💪
I would like to see how you look like, but not everyone wants to be exposed on social medias.
. I'm a totally beginner and a woman. There is a big lack of : 1) True natty bodies 2) Women bodybuilders 3) "Elderly" boldybuilders (= people who can exercize after 40s because they didn't mess up their bodies) 4) No photoshopped shoots...
There already is a great community of natural bodybuilders however, called the "noble natties". Rather than form a seperate community we can join the noble natties to make the noble natties even more powerful
@@ginoyesano5649 I didn't know about this community, thanks for sharing! Where can I find them? On UA-cam, Facebook?
@@ginoyesano5649 Is this a fb group or a website? This is the first I have heard of such a group.
“One of the side effects of steroid abuse is getting very big muscles, so it’s all good” cracked me up.
You deliver your points in a very balanced and well spoken manner. Great video ^^
Testosterone is a legitimate drug and there are clinics all over the country that supply men and women and others with it legally.
@@BoleDaPoleCorrect, but in a quarter of a dose bodybuilders usually take.
We nattys are not alone!
Hope this blows up! People need to hear this message
It's starting to blow up. I had this channel randomly in my reco a few days ago, and now I'm binge watching it. I hope the algorithm will keep going with the good job.
This is one of the best channels out here on fitness and bodybuilding. Keep up the good work.
Thank you bro!
Training for 3 years now 5 times a week for 2 hours - been off the creatine and proteinshakes for over 6 months now and honestly nothing changed at all - just a balanced diet and hard work - bronze era forever!
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Nah, golden era is the best
@@mastin8756problem is the steroids
Why been off creatine?
Its healthy with no side effects but respect!
Oh for sure it´s very healthy and beneficial! But I just thought to myself nobody back in the days used 3-5 g Creatine a day so why should I@@mohammed_44er
I really enjoy Sam Sulek's videos but you are honestly correct on everything. I want to see Sam being healthy, and even if his size decreases, I would much much rather see that as opposed to him succumbing to his copious steroid usage.
Yup, a lot of us like Sam because of who he is, not the drugs, but we want him to make videos as long as possible, hopefully one day we can see him go natty
Ironically enough he’s at that border between natty attainable and outright mass monster. It would be great if he quite asap he wouldn’t lose a ton of size either.
@@justchilling704Nothing natty looking about his current physique, it's literally one of those physiques you look and see instantly it's roided, his massive back, capped shoulders and baloon chest are a dead giveaway. Iike Sam a lot, but i don't think he is looking healthy at all
@@fernandomaron87 Compare him to the professional body builders and you’ll see what I mean. He’s at about the level of muscle the Golden age guys were. He’s not a mass monster, so if he stopped he keep the overall majority of muscle tissue.
Dude, your content is golden. The bronze and silver era were the peak of the sport, there's nothing like a natural body.
Real bodybuildong is much more about the journey than it is about simply getting jacked. If you offered me the body of my dreams magically i would decline, because i would be cheating myself out of the personal growth that comes with natural bodybuilding, but nowadays nothing works like this anymore, everything has to be immediate and easily marketable to the outside world, you have to fit in an instagram post, what is unimportant.
Channels like this are a natural reaction to modern bodybuilding (pun intended) and they're definitely having a positive impact in the community. Keep up the great work and thanks for making the spanish channel!
Un abrazo desde Sevilla!
Gracias amigo!
What a marvellous message you have sent out Dante. It's great to see you and your partner and pet at the end, like a wonderful family that is enjoying health and life which the development of natural strength brings. I think I may have said this before, but I will say it again...modern bodybuilding is nothing more than chemically enhanced muscular obesity. Why "muscular obesity", because the amount of muscle obtained puts the body in an obese state. And if you understand obesity, obesity can be morbid, which means that it can cause disease. The physiques are taken to a point that is not just unattainable, but that causes disease. It is no surprise that most modern BB that push the limit die of cardiovascular or kidney issues, and if you compare the blood parameters of BB who have passed away, the results shows that they were suffering from severe metabolic disease. This modern drug trend is no longer a reflection of health and strength, but a chemical race to be the biggest, freakiest guy on stage, and an unfortunate race to the grave.
Thank you brother! You’re absolutely right. I’m so disgusted by the current state of things that I almost want to distance myself from the word bodybuilding. I might just start calling what we do physical culture instead 😁
@@NattyLifeYT well then that's what we should do. Bodybuilding has become a drug culture, whilst natural lifting is truly the cultivation of one's body and mind...physical culture. If the natural community is experiencing a new renaissance..then we are essentially experiencing the return of physical culture
My steroid buddy at the gym is large and muscular, but so is his gut. He looks like a muscular, fat guy. It's as silly as watching obese people compete in Iron Man competitions. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should.
@@NattyLifeYTi always call it classic bodybuilding not bodybuilding
wow thanks for summing up the video we all watched. do you think youre smart or something.
The bodybuilding community has become so toxic most people don't believe you can achieve a good physique with a cocktail of drugs. Worried for the future generations
cuz a lot of people don't know the difference between a enhanced physique and a natural one mainly bc a lot of influencers are fake natty
@@yummiethegoat4302 Don't you dare go there with Mike O'Tren: Natty on steroids.
I want to make a confession here. When I started with the sport I was seriously thinking about taking roids. I did my research and learned a lot. In the end, what convinced me to not take them was the price. To get the good roids you pay a heavty price. Than you pay even more to get rid of the side effects. In the end I calculated c.a. 700€ a month just for the drugs. Together with a good gym and the cost for a better meal plan, it would have been a 1000€ every month. Long term effects aren't even in there.
I'm not trying to convince you to take steroids, but wherever you were looking you were about to get seriously ripped off.
Steroids are cheap. A testosterone cycle can cost you as little as 25€ a month. Even pretty heavy cycles can be done for under 100 easily. In many countries in Europe you can buy testosterone amps from a pharmacy for like 5€ each, in theory you need a prescription but in practice you just need to know a guy who works there.
All you have to do is look at the guy's complexion to realize that something is seriously messed up internally, and will continue to get worse if he continues down the same path. He's headed for a heart attack, an aneurysm, all kinds of deep muscle tears or straight up mental illness. He's sacrificing himself on an altar, and it's pretty sick.
All juiceheads are a bad influence within the strength and fitness industry in my honest opinion. Everyone stay Natty 👍
is this a home gym? leg press in a home gym is insane haha so cool
Yep, it’s a privilege indeed
I take great pride in being “stock” after having been on a mission to not be a skinny whimp, since 2015. While I wouldn’t pass as a social media influencer, I never had to do drugs to get attention and compliments IRL. The trick was developing my shoulders to get a good shoulder:hip ratio. Obviously don’t shoulder max without setting up the rest of your body so it’s proportionally developed, you don’t want muscular imbalances and bad aesthetics. But that’s the secret, younger fellas. Shoulder:hip ratio will make the rest of your work stand out.
If body dysmorphia was a sport
You got yourself a subscriber. Well put and close to how i feel about these horrible modern trends in the fitness/socialmedia areas. It's crazy how many people are so clueless and get sucked in by these influencers.
As someone who comes from a severely anorexic background, I find this absolutely fascinating. I was thrown in the hospital so many times, and certified more than once when I turned 18 and refused to go. Yet, for drugged up body builders, nothing. It's obviously a mental illness, they obviously have body dysmorphia, it kills at higher rates than anorexia, over a shorter period of time, and nothing! Their families don't appear to be freaking out, viewers who'd flip right out on Eugenia Cooney are fine with this, and nobody is talking about the impact it has on boys, and men in midlife who become vulnerable as they're starting to lose strength. There's no treatment centres, as far as I know it's not in the DSM, psychiatrists aren't out in droves talking about it, and promotion of an activity that is being abused in a way that destroys bodies is not even up for debate.
The lack of response is bizarre - completely fascinating - but bizarre.
Because it's an art form. Hundreds of people visit the Olympia to see Chris Bumstead and millions share and view his videos while no one wants to see an ugly anorexic rib cage.
Yeah, well said. The medical / psychological fields and discussions seem very out of touch and often just won't acknowledge issues like this with any degree of seriousness. I wouldn't even say this is as widespread as anorexia for girls and women, but it definitely can have, and is already having a big impact on lots of guys' self esteem at all ages - and who knows, maybe it could become as widespread if left unchecked. I think it goes a lot deeper than just this stuff though, seeing lots of young guys with really bad anxiety and self esteem it is one of many issues that does not get spoken about very transparently and just generally the pressures young boys and guys in general are faced with are not taken very seriously or even talked about and that seems pretty stupid if ya ask me.
Just had a health youtuber asking me why I think his healthy lean bodybuilder with a bmi of 30. (competition Schwarzenegger) would need strong kidneys and heart.
It is in the DSM imo. It's just high level narcissism. How could you not be a narcissist when you're a pro level bodybuilder? Your entire life revolves around yourself and being as muscular as possible, for others (the judges), not even for yourself.
Where do you draw the line? Should we start sectioning people for being too jacked? The thing about freedom and personal autonomy is that people for better or worse a lot of times are allowed to make unhealthy decisions. I don't think it should be up to other people to intervene except in dire situations. And I even have conflicting views on that.
You got a nice physique man, I'm jealous of your arms. keep grinding
Thank you bro, it's a work in progress!
I'd recommend slowing down those movements though
Today's bodybuilding is not physically or asethically pleasing in anyway. Back then, most would love to look like the bronze and silver era guys but I doubt anyone would want to look like this new era
"Gone too soon, what an inspiration" is exactly what people say who deify Zyss. Their incel ways have blinded them to actual health and well being.
I was in my late thirties when I tried a cycle. That's after 20 years of weight lifting. I used them for the next fifteen years. When I finally went heavy. That's when I had side effects. Knew eventually that it dead end. Now that I got away from them. I lift only a fraction of the weight. It is a slippy slope. And you are 100% correct.
I've lifted for 32 years now - obviously always naturally. Long term health should be the goal for everyone and taking roids for most people is ridiculous. The top guys are massive but they are not healthy and I can't see them living healthy long lives. A real shame.
Incredible... you started lifting when I was 1yo... and sometimes I already feel old. You're more inspiring me than you could know. 😊
I love this channel so much. Not only the insights from the health and past bodybuilding era, but for the present too, that is possible to achieve the best form of yourself in a world full of people trying to sell the unreachable. While I like Sam Sulek workouts and the man itself, I pretty much agree with you. Bad influence for the youngsters, but I cant blame him either, this system is fucked up...
Many thanks bro, much appreciated 💪
I like Sam Sulek’s personality a lot, and his training musings are applicable to natty guys.
But every time I think about how much I like him, I always add “better enjoy him while he’s still alive”.
Arnold Schwarzenegger, Kai Greene, Ronnie Coleman, Jay Cutler, Phil Heath, Dorian Yates. These are a few examples of bodybuilders who did copious amounts of steroids through many years, most of them in a reckless manner and they are still here, alive breathing. It's not like what Sam Sulek does is something new. In fact I bet he does it in a more safe manner since there is more information about ''safe'' steroids usage than ever. Not saying it is healthy, but to act like no one has done this before is just stupid.
@@edmundvalero6841agreed. people here talk like we live in a cave and know nothing. meanwhile pro bb is around for many years and athletes go insane and then just hop off gear (eg Kevin Levrone) and just keep on living healthily with millions of dollars and feeling of contentment about their life.
@@edmundvalero6841 hey man I hope you’re right, but I still got the feeling I had when Zyzz was around.
@@edmundvalero6841 Really hope Sam just comes out one day about his use and what does to be safe. Think it would ease everyone's worries if we know how much he's taking and if he's being safe. Dude is so chill and I like his vids. Just don't want the dude to go out young.
Crazy thing also, We already saw the bad crazy side effects whatever he took cause his skin looks bad. He got the acne under control but it was so bad months ago.
I can't overstate the importance of the work you're doing to call out what's happening and to break it down so clearly. I hope you keep it up, your voice is needed.
It's almost as if the Silver Era bodybuilders look great every day where the Golden Era bodybuilders only looked "good" once a year
Those chinups and dips that you were doing , with all those extra weights was impressive! You're a beast!
personally I just enjoy watching Sam Sulek because he's such a humble and great dude, plus I feel less lonely when I watch his car talks because I feel like he's talking to me.
but you are making a great point in raising this issue about PEDs and the young lifting generation !
Wholeheartedly agree. Bodybuilding more than anything to me was once an art and representation of the ultimate physical aspect. It embraced beauty and function. It saddens me greatly to see so many traceable bodies now claiming that it is still "Bodybuilding" it is no longer the carving of rock into a masterpiece, but an assembly line of slapped on clay.
Coleman cant even walk in today at the age of 60, flex wheeler had kidney disease and got amputated because of using steroids, el sonbathy died very young, arnold had open hearth surgery which was almost going to end his life, he was lucky. And this list goes on and on with many other sad examples.
started Bodybuilding at 17 , never took any drugs, i was duped for first few years thinking i could look like Arnold or Lee Haney natural. I got prtty big as far as natural goes, 18"arms, 53"chest, 26" legs, 17 1/2 " calves, but i hit a genetic limit and when i was offered drugs in the gym after 7-8 super hard years lifting i told them hell no! I NEVER regretted that decision, Now im 50 and look 30 cause ive allways trained natural (noticed when people used steroids it unnaturally ages them)
Once a life-enhancing endeavor, now life-shortening, and for achievements that are fleeting and illusory. Stay natural, people - those around you will be forever grateful. 💪
And this is why Leon Edwards has the most aesthetic physique in the universe
Bradley Martin would destroy Leon lol
There is a new era of lifting coming soon, more and more TRUE admirers of the physical culture are coming together and recognizing the short comings that we as a society have accepted, it’s time for change
Grotesque is the right word. Neither healthy nor good looking, so what even was the point? What started this mindset?
I've shown girls pictures of modern day bodybuilders and they all say the same things.
"Ew"
"Disgusting"
and my personal favourite...
"Why?!"
Yep. It's disgusting.
I fully agree with your message in this video. I also want to add that the real issue here is outcome focus, instead of process focus. The real beauty of training is the mental transformation that comes with the physical transformation. The knowledge that you, yourself did this with no outside assistance is incredibly empowering. Focus on the process and reap the benefits.
Bronze and Silver Era would be sad to see this.
Even golden Era guys like Arnold dont really like those freak bodybuilders.
for me it would be ok if there are different classes that have high level natural bodybuilders in it. But even the natural classes nowadays often look roided.
and the overall flexibility and muscle control is totally lost in bodybuilding nowadays.
but to be honest.. lots of testosterone abuse comes from low test levels in general.
nowadays test levels are way lower then in the past. Its our food, water, air.. lifestyle, clothing etc. (-30 to -50% lower test levels nowadays!)
So many feel already weak and chose roids. Just to be a bit more masculine and stronger.
And im sure many then get addicted to the "power" it gives u.
and gaining natural testosterone is hard.. no fap is hard.. clean eating can be hard.. and all those things like maca, ashwaganda etc. just help a little and is hardly noticeable.
You bring up some good points and I’m not sure on the solution. I think the environmental factors need to be better labeled, like what clothes specifically have hormone-similar compounds. We have done this with BPA bottles and now most bottles are BPA free, by merely shining a light on it people can better make choices that will have a positive effect on their hormones. Lifestyle factors are still being studied, things like no fap don’t seem to effect testosterone but I’m sure there are a litany of other lifestyle factors that are important. Lastly there’s diet, and the war on fat is terrible for hormones but fortunately that has been shown to be misguided however with the large variety of foods it can be hard to tell what exactly could be effecting hormones so negatively, soy for example has been demonized but now studies have shown that the hormones might have a negligible effect and with dairy, etc. who knows.
Wait - you think Arnold was natural?!
"Even golden Era guys like Arnold dont really like those freak bodybuilders" implys that even guys who did roids often dislike freakish mass monsters.@@spindriftdrinker
@@elQuestionare You could very well be correct about that - but here is the point. Think of an early steroid user ( like Arnold ?) who might be envious of guys at a later date benefiting from more powerful drugs and knowledge who are bigger.
That kind of envious dislike is a very different thing from the dislike shown by Mr. Natty Life who is against all steroids.
Sandow would be disgusted if he saw what bodybuilding has turned into. It's a disrespect to have him on the trophy at this point.
Its cool to see you and your lady enjoying a good workout! You can see in the end of first clip she really supports your journey and enjoys the time with you. So proud of you bro!
Doing front shoulder raises like a noob
@@bobjohnson1633 Sick armchair bodybuilding 👌🏼
Thank you my bro!
The really messed-up part about modern bodybuilding culture IMO is it's so depersonalized. It's not about achieving a certain physique for your own satisfaction, it's about turning your body into a product.
In the endgame of consumer culture, even your body isn't yours anymore. It's just another product to be displayed on the market for evaluation and profit extraction.
Arnold Schwarzenegger himself said that when he was competing it was all about symmetry and being visually appealing, but now it’s just about being freakishly big.
Personally I’m a bigger fan of the aesthetic of bronze era bodybuilding. Examples being Eugene Sandow and George Hackenschmidt.
I personally think Arnold was actually one of the first to abandon symmetry, his pecks and biceps were much bigger than the rest of his body. I also think silver era and bronze era had the best physiques. Just look at Leroy Colbert, life time natty and a absolute unit.
@@fernandomaron87 I literally just looked up Leroy Colbert, and damn. I had never heard of the man, but now I’m glad to know who he is, thank you for sharing.
Also, Arnold did have massive pecs and arms, but he had a small waist and large legs and calves. He could still do the vacuum pose whereas most modern pro’s can’t and he said as much. But it was that eta where symmetry became less important than size.
It is still about symmetry bruh cbum won because of his symmetry
This is my 1st video I've watched of yours. From 1 natty to another you got a subscription from me .
Thank you brother and welcome!
Yeah the fact that he's 21 is pretty horrifying. It's literally just body dysmorphia,
He looks great.
@@jellyfishbrainedhe looks awful.
@@jellyfishbrainedhe looks like roids.
It’s crazy. If you go look at the last days of his bulk series… he does a physique check. He has a defined bulging six pack with chest and shoulder striations.
And that is after a several month long bulk. A lot of which was dirty shit calories like whole boxes of cereal, gallons of milk, etc.
It just shows how fucked the hormones are. Burning off everything that goes into the body.
Sam Sulek has truly taken over the fitness industry, even my personal trainer mentioned him first time we met
He going to try to get you on the sauce Beware 😂 Sam the modern day Rich
i've competed natural competition before, i just realized that i've competed against cheaters, i won 3rd place, so i looked back and checked all the pictures they took and i just fuckin realized this 1st and 2nd places dudes won they been using something! pissed me off how i lost, i would have won 1st place. Things are gettin weird and weirder in 2023
Bodybuilding was about being healthy before all then being asthethic and naturally muscular while having peak natural physique nowadays bodybuilding is a freak death show
As Vince Gironda said " what ever happened to Physical Culture"?
He's a nice guy doing simple videos. Considering how many negative videos are constantly being made about him, I'm honestly impressed he has sort of just stuck to his lifting, and just does his thing. He's just basically journaling. I get its easy to make these videos about him so everyone jumps on it. Yeah the roids can harm people, ultimately its their choice to do it. People act like he's some high end trainer/Olympian dishing out advice. He's says simple things like i did this exercise cause i like how it feels. "He cant program", "Oh no he programs by feel"... i mean seriously the complaints are ridiculous. Of all the shit going on the world, all the horrible human behavior, people want to attack this dude. This is all sort of ranty,. I have been meaning to do one response somewhere apologies for it being here.
I stopped reading after "they CAM harm"
You're just coping if you think there's a possibility of them not doing damage
@@NoNono-o3h , coping? I'm not doing them? It in no way impacts me. Some how it seems to upset you. That sucks I guess. Good luck with that.
@@JohnB-ws4ge nice denial
@@NoNono-o3h Lol, trollz these days are lazy
@@NoNono-o3hDrinking harms the body more than gear does and yet everyone is encouraged to drink from a young age. You’re focusing in the wrong things.
I feel like sulek is less of an example you want to follow and more of an inspiration and motivation, I agree normalization of steroids is bad, but watching his videos and just listening is such a huge motivation to go lift and better myself. I refuse to use steroids, but I still look up to Sulek due to his pure dedication, and it’s hard to not be inspired to go lift when you see someone pushing themselves that hard.
I'm not sure if a very young audience can differentiate between these two things.
There are a good number of natties on social media, with every bit as much dedication as juice boy. So your reason for supporting a guy who perpetuates steroid use in young men is crap, and you're doing a bad thing.
@@jackdeemus2799 That's their and their parent's problem.
@@jackdeemus2799so condescending
He's not bettering himself though. He's getting larger muscles and becoming drastically less healthy.
Male beauty standards are too unrealistic
Nothing beautiful about Mr Olympias. Steve Reeves Physique yes.
@@stevemann1299 Steve Reeves and Farnese Hercules are good archetypes of what to strive for. If you're naturally blessed with that V-taper structure, you could try to look like Steve Reeves. If not, Farnese Hercules is a better goal physique. Ultimately, it's impossible to look like somebody else so it's important not to get too caught up in the process.
@@anonymousman4419
Just be the best you can be. Being in shape and healthy is numero uno. The problem we have in 2024. Is people who cheated their way to their physiques. Fooling the gullible young men to think they can get that on Chicken and Broccoli. I would rather look like Marlon Brando in Street Car. Than any of these drugged frauds on yourube..
Its over for men if ur under 7 foot and 300 pounds
Didn't know you had a Spanish channel. Great!
The "good guy" on steroids is the worst, it prints into people's mind the idea that steroids are socially acceptable.
We went from the image of an angry crazy guy using steroids to the image of someone chill, nice and funny.
Everyone feeding that new image contributes to young people crossing the line and ruinning their lives. The consequences matters more than the intent
You've made great progress btw, good job !
I think you hit the nail on the head. The "good guy" on steroids is more dangerous than a roided meathead because at least the meathead is someone undesirable.
All you do is shame people who take steroids therefore making people less transparent about them. When people are less transparent it will be harder to find resources. People are going to do steroids anyway, all you did was make them do stupid shit and get laced drugs instead.
God, this is such a breath of fresh air. I can only watch so many Greg Doucette or More Plates More Dates videos before I feel utterly disgusted about the state of the sport.
Definitely get on board with Alex Leonidas, GVS, Natural Hypertrophy, Basement Bodybuilding, Abel SD, Alan Thrall… Renaissance Periodization is probably the only steroid-friendly Chanel that gets a pass from me, just because Mike’s knowledge of training immense and he’s hysterically funny
I'm also shell-shocked every time I listen to Greg talk about bodybuilders. Is it about lifting or injecting?
What sport?
External gratification; Internal deterioration
I prefer following athletes, coaches, doctors and producers like this channel. Following fads is low tier. Thanks for raising awareness
Screw aesthetics, just wanna look huge, veiny and disgusting 😎👍
Screw the roids too tho, that's low
"Live fast, die big" ?!
@@HexenStar I said screw roids too, I'll probably live a long life no matter how much I prioritize size over athleticism, are you conscious that people get to their 90s even tho they drink and don't do excercise??
I was into bodybuilding in my early 20ies, around 2013-2015. Nothing has changed since then. Just the faces of the drug abusers. Disgusting mass monsters who shame others on "not doing enough", "not giving their whole heart to the sport" etc. They're never talking about health, they're just talking about eating "more, more, more, more, more" (quote from Rich Piana). Bigorexia is a thing.
my son is 21 too and he told me just today about this guy. i rememberd his face from this video i saw before and now i'm here again. As you mentioned young people admire him and its really the case, i can confirm it with my son. now i'm afraid ! but he told me, he only uses his tips for training (they would be great) and nothing more... i hope so ! Yo Natty - can you drop a german Subtitle on this clip?? ... i want to show him clearer, whats the problem with Sam and Mass Monster Gear Infuencer in general ...
Hey man, I added German subtitles, they are google translated so probably not perfect but hopefully good enough to understand the video. It's nice to see a father and son interested in natural bodybuilding. Best wishes.
ohhh dear friend, thanx you soo much! - the Sub is working perfekt. I am very thankful, you are a great man. Wish you all the best. Your work is really fantastic! 👍🏽
I wish body building could return to men showing what peak human strength, health, and perform looks like. I want to see a Greek god on stage, not some grotesque mound of muscle and flesh. You should tell all the roid users they can't make more gains because it's a skill issue.
You are exactly what more kids need to hear. I am 15 and I have been working out for about 2 years. It breaks my heart to see how fucked up my beloved sport has gotten. Thannyou for sharing this knowledge.
Great video, you held nothing back, it needed to be said & needs to be said more. The mass monsters & top level naturals are both the furthest from health. The greats of the past would vomit if they could see what it's all come to
My normie friends asked me how ,I who goes to the Gym regularly for a long time ,don’t look so jacked like sulek 😂
Guess I need new friends 😢
It's sad that this is many people's first introduction to bodybuilding.
@@NattyLifeYT The Worst Thing is that these People destroyed the Pureness of the Sport…you can never be sure that somebody is enhanced
And these Roiders have unlike most of the People the Passion for the Sport , so even if they would not abuse the Sauce ,they would have a 1% Phisique 😞
Glad to see this video released. I think Sam is a very funny guy and does genuinely have a passion for the sport. The problem being the sport itself, and influences he had when he started. I worry a lot about the people who watch him since I can almost guarantee he is going to end up inspiring multiple people to hop on gear for the sake of temporary gains. Like you said in the video bodybuilding is a health oriented sport and not just some sort of beauty pageant for grown men. Its a sad thing Sam never got see the other side of the sport.
I agree. Hate the game, not the player. Sam is a genuinely cool dude but he seems heartbroken and using gear to cope.
The unrealistic expectation steroids create in beginner lifters is just so sad. Especially considering that when beginners see the limitations of natural physiques, they lose interest in lifting. It is possible to have a nice physique naturally (I have done it many times), but so few natties have nice physiques that beginners fail to get inspired.
Y’all are gonna hate me for this but,
2011-2017 Men’s Physique was the most Aesthetic period in all of history. Right before they turned into Classic competitors. They looked awesome and certain people might actually be able to reach that naturally.
That’s what I’m shooting for.
Sadik, Ferguson, Buendia, they looked awesome back then before they turned into massive Fiends.
Still juicers
They looked terrible. They abused roids and chased terrible judging criteria. Incomplete bodies. Just looked stupid
Those physiques still required steroids lol
I watched a bulking video with Sulek where he downs half a box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch before his late morning training session. Yeah, he can get away with eating junk like that in his early 20's (and metabolize all the sugar and carbs because of drugs and huge amounts muscle mass) but it catches up with you pretty quick.
Just shows how bodybuilding went from the most healthiest sport in the world to a sport where 400lb untrained fat guys can outlive them.
Thank you for posting this. Modern BB is grotesque and completely void of any aesthetic.
I'm 31, been training for 4 years now, first year mainly to lose weight as I was inactive and was around 120 kg. I got to 90 kg in a year and stayed on 90 kg for 3 years but built muscles naturally and also doing lots of calisthenics. I feel strong, fast, functional, healthy and happy. I'm 189 cm / 6.2 so 90 kg is actually very ideal for me. I could look a bit more defined but who cares but me? I have a balanced life now and there's years of more progress ahead of me :)
Real Bodybuilding ended around 1980 shortly after the Zane-Arnold-Columbo-Ferrigno era. Even though most of the guys from that era juiced, they still had a natural aesthetic, and they didn't become so big and massive that they lost their athleticism, flexibility, and symmetry within a borderline natural frame. Even still, many from that era saw condequences from the minor cycles they took. Today's, not only bodybuilders, but also anyone surrounding the orbit resort to major stacking of a multitude of artificial enhancers, which loses the true appeal that was set forth and laid out by the earlier eras. It's all about trying to make money for them in their wins and garnering of attention, but the art has been completely lost.
12 year training natural. I'm 34 years old now first 8 years I did the bulk cut cycle. I've done strength training, crossfit style training, but my base has also been bodybuilding Frank Zane was a big inspiration for me. I've also loved bodybuilding and the pushing of the body with and without PEDs biohacking. But recently I've noticed a big drop off personally in training recovery, over all feeling of health. And I've been on the fence of going and getting on trt because it's a life long contract. I am going to get blood work done at the end of the month for myself to see where my levels are. Will I get on PEDs is still in the air.
Bro you are 34, i wouldnt use trt even if a doctor told me if i was you. There is a cause why you feel like shit you just need to figure it out on your own.
Take a break from trading for a month and then get back into it, far too many negatives from steroids , prostate cancer , hair loss acne etc .....the gains are only short lived .
You need to take more rest days. As a natural lifter and especially getting older you should always take a rest day after weight training. 2-3 times a week for someone your age
Take a week off every 6 weeks of training to give yourself a mental break.