The Fine Tuning Argument
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2023
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Four Ways the Earth Is Fine-Tuned for Life
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In this clip from J. Warner Wallace’s longer talk on the existence of God from cosmological evidence (based on his book, God’s Crime Scene), J. Warner offers three illustrations that will help you understand the degree to which the universe is fine-tuned for life. If the universe is this finely tuned, what should we infer about the existence of a cosmic “fine-tuner”?
I am always amazed when I think about how our earth's crust contains water pure enough to drink, oil to run our car and planes, natural gas to heat our homes, and dozens of other elements, and yet each of these maintains it's unique identity without contaminating each other. It's almost like someone put them there on purpose for us to use.
You got it in one
Amen
Isaiah 45:18
For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): “I am the LORD, and there is no other.
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Lets say there is a Multiverse with an infinite number of universes for arguments sake then there would have to be a Universe generator or were they created at the exact same time as ours (Big Bang 14 billion years ago) Then wouldn't they have to have exactly the same gravitational forces so as to not expand to rapidly or expand to slowly causing either no galaxies to form or it to collapse on itself meaning that they also would have to be fine tuned otherwise they would all be empty space or non existent
You left out, "If there is an infinite number of universes then Richard Dawkins is the Pope in one of them!"
Anytime someone uses the infinite universes ….. I ask …. how do you know this isn’t the one with God / Jesus and a Hell…..
@@thomasmyers9128 my Dad uses the same thing. If there are an infinite number of universes, then there’s still the possibility of there being a God in one, and the possibility of Jesus actually rising from the grave in that one.
@@thomasmyers9128 because thats not scientific \o/
A infinite number of universes doesn't lower the probability of fine tuning in the universe
@@anthamhwhat makes you think other universes work the same
Oh Lord, how great is the glory of Thy creation!
I love the way you explain these things! So wonderful!!
I like your presentation Jim.
I would add that since the fine TUNER is outside the Universe HE'S created, the Carbon Life Forms have been given curiosity, in order to search through the Tuners Universe and reveal HE'S not there but points to HIM beyond it, beyond just the physical. It's HIS signature if you will. Much like we ourselves are.
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The only way a "goldilocks" universe could emerge from an infinite number of universes by chance is if the universes are causally related to one another. This is why proponents of a multiverse (for which there is zero evidence) speculate that there must be a universe generating mechanism which constantly spits out new universes, ultimately leading to a "goldilocks" lottery winner universe which supports carbon-based life. But what they conveniently overlook is the fact that such a mechanism must itself be equally fine tuned, as Dr. Stephen C. Meyer explains so well in his book Return of the God Hypothesis. In other words, it just kicks the can down the road so to speak and still begs the question of how the fine tuning originated. The desperation of naturalists to avoid the obvious is leading to more and more absurd speculation. Occam's Razor, guys.
Informative video
The multiverse is a mathematical construct they need to support their other fictional ideas
we don't need to create a multiverse to explain life.
there are an incomprehensible amount of stars, with terrestrial planets with atmospheres, magnetic fields, and tectonic plates, in the stars habitable zone. (btw, mars is also in the sun's habitable zone)
it would stand to reason (assuming evolution and abiogenisis is correct) life would develop in atleast some of those planets.
its like rolling a dice hoping to get 1,2,3,4,5,6. roll a dice enough times, you are going to get it, have enough planets with the right ingredients and conditions for life, and some of them will develop life.
Excellent comparison. Thanks
I still think it's funny that they're looking out when they should look at
A fine tuner is certainly a simpler explanation than a multiverse, but it might be held that a multiversse is possible, if less likely.
If there is a multiverse, then there are an infinite number of universes and so necessarily an infinite number of universes precisely the same as this one in every minute particular. That means those other identical universes are absolutely indistinguishable in every way whatsoever from this one.
But that would make those universes this universe. So there is only one universe.
If the universe is fined tuned then claiming something fined tuned is logical
Unfortunately 😅 this reminds me of " David wood's scuby doo and the case of the silly septic video " there are non- believers that will not look at the evidence: however I greatly and gratefully appreciate your hard work.
Amen Lord Jesus
Hebrews 1 v 3 in these last days spoken to us by his son whom he has appointed heir of all things through also he has made the WORLDS , , Hebrews 11 v 3 By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by GOD so the things which sre seen were not made of things which are visible, we are definitely not alone in what GOD has created Dont forget when the sons of GOD came before GOD and GOD said to satan where have you come from isnt Adam the son of GOD so to me it is logical that there are other " Adams " from other worlds who come to be with GOD on occasions
Are you Morman?
There is 1 God in 3 persons
Eve is the mother of all living. All flesh was Created on earth. No aliens. Jesus only died for the human race. Jesus came to earth
My only question is what about the fine-tuner himself, everything must have a source.
we do agree that all things that have a beginning have a source and all things that were created have a source. But God is neither of these, he doesn't have a "beginning" just as much as he doesn't have a "creator" he always was and is
There’s no multiverse !
It's a choice. I've spoken to atheists who given the choice would pick an inconceivable number of multiverses as the best explanation over a conceivable God, because the idea is inconceivable. And it warers down the uniqueness of this universe to a random accident multiplied by an inconceivable number of times. Forget rationality. It's all about distance. A God in some OTHER , random, inconceivably distant universe is, to their mind, more conceivable than a God in this one. Too close. Far away, unreachable, nothing to do with them. Better. For that reason, any multiverse theory is entirely acceptable, even preferable, if it allows them the possibility of dismissing the unique design elements of this one. Which requires it to set the God question aside. That's why Dawkins believe aliens did it. Why aliens created aliens. Why a multiverse is an intriguing possibility. It's got Romans 1 written all over it. The nearest black hole is here on Earth. The one made against all logic to embrace the incredible at the expense of the logical. Coz. And pours lives into it to render them meaningless. That, too, is a choice. And pity the person that embraces that.
Dawkins wasn’t an atheist who believed in aliens. He was actually a theist and mocked people who believed there was no God.
Another obvious flaw in the argument for a multiverse is the hypocrisy of the argument. To argue against an unseen creator who is greater than the universe, they instead suggest a different unseen source, which is also greater than the universe. They themselves are using a god-of-the-gaps argument, only calling it something other than God. Even so, I like your argument more.
We know that windows and doors don’t shut and lock by natural processes or at random. We know that clothes don’t pile up and block ventilation by natural processes or at random. We know humans exist and they can lock windows, shut doors and arrange clothes. A human is the logical conclusion for what caused the conditions which killed the woman.
On the other hand, we DON’T know whether a finely tuned universe can come into being purely at random or by natural processes. Highly, highly improbable doesn’t mean impossible. God is certainly a plausible explanation, but unless we disprove randomness and natural processes, fine tuning alone doesn’t prove He is the only possibility (and therefore prove that He exists). Sorry
Assuming you're not a bot might be my first mistake, but I've got nothing better to do right now, so here we go. This video is a part of a longer presentation, but even as such is kept very concise, leaving out mountains of details which you could find on your own if you cared to do so instead of just arguing from a place of ignorance. I just finished reading a book a few days ago that presents the evidence of fine tuning in a more conclusive and especially verbose way. Even still, the author of that book has only touched on the mountains of detail available to anyone who really cares to find it. Basically, the truth is that at this point, every possible hypothesis EXCEPT for intelligent creation has been thoroughly rejected by every branch of science. Only the most sincerely committed materialists (atheists) still hold the idea that the world we live in was not intelligently designed. They have become the religious nuts holding onto their beliefs in spite of the evidence that they claimed they were trying to protect us from.
It seems to me that the "multiverse" is to cosmology like the fairy dust of time is to evolution.
AMEN brothers and sisters in Christ our Lord and God bless you brother J Warner Wallace 🙏❤️👊. This has nothing and everything to do with the video but please listen if you want to otherwise leave it alone and ignore it. Hello my name is Justin and I'm a 23 year old Christian and Apologist but I'm also a college graduate. I'm not a closed minded Theist as I have nothing against Atheists or unbelievers as I speak to them often to understand their reasons for unbelief but we as Christians are convinced of God's Existence due to many real factors). I'm not trying to convert anyone or convince anyone to become Christians as that's The Holy Spirit's job to help people believe but only explain why I believe in Jesus Christ. There's actually evidence of God's Existence in Christianity. First of all there's proof that Jesus of Nazareth existed in history since the writings of Tacitus, Josephus Flavius, Pliny the younger and other historical documents prove that He was living two thousand years ago that even scholars both religious and Atheists agree with historically speaking but not that He's The Divine Son of God because obviously they don't.
I'm going to give you historical and archeological evidence for God's Existence as The Scriptures have prophecies that predate the events recorded in them by several millennia including Matthew, Hosea and Zechariah which prophesy accurately of the people of Israel becoming a nation again after over 1900 years of being scattered around the nations since the destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem in 70 A.D. spoken of by Christ in Matthew 23:29-24:3 and returning to their homeland after The Holocaust with Jerusalem as their capital in 1948 exactly as Jesus The Christ said. The prophets including Daniel spoke of the time where several world empires would arise and fall including the Babylonian kingdom, Medes and Persians, Roman Empire, and Saladin and the Muslims which went in consecutive order for the past few millennia. The people of Israel becoming a nation after The Holocaust in 1948 (ironically the melting point of gold as God compares Israel to gold that's tested in fire in Zechariah 13:8 and Jeremiah 16:15) exactly how Jesus The Christ said would happen since God us everything to come in The Scriptures and not just because people were working towards as Atheists claim which are impossible for any regular man to predict.
Just before anyone says Christianity is a white man's religion made to oppress blacks during slavery you obviously aren't aware that the first Christians were Jews in The Middle East and that Christianity just like any religion can be used by evil and corrupt people to oppress others but you forget that the first Abolitionists/Civil Rights activists were Christians who sought to abolish slavery, racism, segregation, injustice and prejudice throughout American history. Jesus The Christ loves you enough not to give you what we all deserve which is God's Wrath by His Own Blood. Charles Darwin didn't originally come up with The Theory of Evolution over 200 years ago as it is mentioned in the writings of Ancient Greeks who believed in Demons that gave knowledge to philosophers.
Evolution makes no sense when nothing has evolved after thousands of years of human history and supposedly the first creature came from primordial sludge several millions of years
ago funny how they won't believe that God an Eternal Almighty Spirit Being created us from the Earth) which came from a supermassive expansion of matter at high temperature that inexplicably created everything in the known universe that supposedly came from nothing billions of years ago. How did the organs evolve before there were bones, skin, substance and how did any creatures see before eyes evolved? I've studied evolution and abiogenesis in the past and read Darwin's " On The Origin of Species" and I'm not convinced of macro Evolutionary biology whereas I accept micro Evolution like speciation and adaptation but not macro Evolution because there's no evidence of it nor clear observable examples of it where living creatures evolve into other kinds of species plus the fact that fossils don't show evidence of evolution and genetic entropy rules out evolution. The question begs how did two genders evolve from a common ancestor with a perfectly hospitable and sustainable environment with breathable oxygen and resources to survive on inexplicably? Atheists have the burden of proof to explain how everything came to be and why our existence is possible without the Existence of God from an godless perspective just as Christians have to provide evidence of God's Existence and the validity of His Word.
Evolution requires life to already exist in order to take any effect in living organisms so it doesn't account for the existence of Life and reality. Also evolution is impossible because it goes against The Law of entropy and the second Law of thermodynamics because evolution makes things better whereas nothing continues to get better but decays and turns to absolute destruction in the end. Mark Ridley an Evolutionist said "No evolutionist whether gradualist or punctuationist uses the fossil record as evidence in favor of The Theory of Darwinian Evolution as opposed to special Creation". God's Existence is made perfectly known and observable in the universe as demonstrated in His Handiwork in the intelligently designed manner that Creation was made, human consciences and consciousness historical and archaeological evidence of God's Word being valid history, fulfillment of Bible Prophecies God in His Holiness and Righteousness could give us what we deserve in Hell for our since but He's merciful to give us free will to choose to accept or reject His gift of salvation by grace through faith in His Son Jesus. I don't mean this is any condescending manner but if you'd like to discuss The Scriptures with me or have me listen to your view on anything my instagram account is Savage Christian Kombatant.
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Fine tuned BALL ⚽? show us one photo 📸 of earth 🌎 from space? NOT CGI.... TRY
Focus on God and his Word more than the shape of the earth. You guys really making the Biblical Creationists look foolish. The earth is a recently Created sphere. That fact will win much more souls than trying to convince ppl that liars are lying. Preach Christ crucified and resurrected not a dome and fake space…
The heavens declare the glory of God. Enjoy his creation don’t discredit his wonderful works. ❤