What went wrong... A Brutally Honest Review of Apex Legends after 16,000 Hours
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- Опубліковано 6 гру 2024
- Honestly reviewing Apex Legends after 16,000 hours play time... explaining why it's dying, how it can be saved and if its still worth being played!
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Do you think Apex is Dying?
Whats ur biggest issue with the game?
Hope your all well! (I'll never quit Apex dw)
Car not one clipping
the way it looks yes but if ea continues the way there going then yes but if they start grown and changing for the better prob not
Just bring back Arenas please
BirnoOCE, Do you know that the moderation in the Apex subreddit removes some posts that show the acute problems of Apex? I think that's also one of the key things that kills online.
Skill also good day
my biggest problem with apex as a casual player is how difficult and competative the game has become and also the matchmaking. i go into a plat lobby and die to a masters 3 stack who are all ex pred.
GET GOOD
Womp womp
Stop playing PvP games.
@@SomeThing-uw8hz ew
@@SomeThing-uw8hzThis is ideally the best option, SBMM wasn’t made to deliver a fair match, it was made to deliver an unbalanced experience to keep you addicted.
apex needs a honest review and the devs need to see this vid.
For me the biggest issue is SBMM
For background, I am a peak gold player with hundreds of hours in the game. I am not a big sweat, and I have taken multiple breaks before.
This season I have played well over 200 games, and I have a season k/d of 0.54. In more than half of my lobbies, I see players with master badges or pred badges. I understand that I have a skill issue, but I should not be in these lobbies still.
I am also pretty pissed about arenas being removed, but that's a whole other rant
Matchamking is the reason that I don't play so much anymore and close to quit. Ehat to know something? I create new accaunt and play with 26k kills or predators. I am just 8th lvl player... And whats more important new players move very slow, your enemies doesn't. Make your own conclusion.
Same bro me being a peak diamond player at season 9 playing with my level 19 friend going against people with 386,000 kills. It's crazy
This is me, like...exactly. Gold 1 is by best, I've never been a very skilled player, I have my moments but I shouldn't be playing against preds and hyper sweats with high kd/r.
You're just bad
Issue is not “SBMM”, it’s “bad SBMM”. Skill based matchmaking is a good system if it actually works correctly.
The developers and the egoistic players are killing the game.
Ye players have the weirdest expectation to play in the same depressing autonomous way. I'm on Xbox never dealt with cheaters, but players enough to ruin the fun
@@ru99414 you've definitely come across cheaters on console, guaranteed.
the devs are the problem too, but i agree its also the player base tbh. FPS battle royale will always spawn a toxic playerbase but with Apex, whose remaining players are these try-hards who spend more than 5 hours playing this game (and are most probably experiencing a Sunken Cost Fallacy relationship with this game), the skillgap just worsens this toxicity
I’ve always said the playerbase is one of the reasons this game fell off not just EA/Respawn .. Like why are u so toxic in a dying game lmao
Cant forget bot randoms whike versing preds every match
As a casual player for me the only flaw in Apex Legends is sbmm. I only have 1.4kd and only once diamond and still facing the best of the best players
Diamond is top 5%
@@Heimlock00 If im top 5% my enemies must be top 0.0001% then
u can find all ranks in casual so
I don't mind facing the best, predator masters no problem. The biggest problem is when they paired me with the absolute dogshit teammate that keeps looting and can barely shoot. I stop playing just to keep my sanity in check
lol i it diamond in s17 wasnt prowd of it so i didnt even go to masters 0..88 kd 3 been stack matched agaibst mostly highly skilled players since then sad
Matchmaking is the number 1 reason the game is dying.
Straight facts, I got back on apex for the first time in like 7 months, and I get put in pred & masters lobbies. The best I’ve ever done in ranked is platinum lol. Its annoying and I don’t plan on getting back on apex until they fix skill based matchmaking
i think the biggest issue is matchmaking. it has been a major issue with the game for many years, it's not a recent development. i have a duo i've played with since season 5, and we're slightly above average players and float around a 1.25 kdr and 5% winrate, and even back in season 6, 7, and 8 we were being put against actual pred players who obviously rolled us and we'd have take month long breaks from the game because of it. and it's STILL a major problem with the game 3 years later, it's madness.
they very simply need to put anyone who has, within the last 4 seasons, hit masters or predator into their own pub lobbies or else literally all of the casual players will leave.
winter express is the only thing i want back, so nostalgic
ranked lobbies in sydney servers are completely empty 24/7
We need a Mixtape BR that cycles most of the LTMs throughout the history of Apex Legends.
The modes will cycle once per day
@@EchoEkow Keep dreaming.
Players have been saying this for years.
@@Olly241 that’s how changes are made in the world. It all starts with a thought
chronos and xim are completely ruining console apex, I've seen a DRAMATIC change this season in my lobbies
pc is worse because we have that shit plus pc players using no recoil scripts and not even going to start about all the people using soft cheats
Shout out to you being the only one in the comments to say the real reason this game died
@wights6365 oh yes, not denying that. Just saying that consoles problems don't really get mentioned ever. Respawn/EA have totally given up on fixing the core issues with the game in favor of adding more monetization.
This reply section is the reason why, sadly. Toxicity and arguments
“Dractuah, bite that thang” revolutionary name
My biggest issue with apex is not getting a heirloom
LOL
I sort of think Apex dying is just a spiral. People have stopped playing for the various reasons that you said, they tell other people that the game sucks and is dying, those people quit and then tell other people the game is dead and they quit and it just goes on. Looking at almost any comment section on any social media (TikTok, UA-cam, Twitter, etc.), there are ALWAYS comments that are like "Apex in the big 24?" or "Apex is dead" or something like that. The matchmaking issues have also made it impossible for new players to fill the gaps of leaving players which makes the spiral worse.
I quit apex at the beginning of this year. And I don't think it's dead. Buuuut, it isn't as big as it used to be, it's in a huge slump at the moment and (If you live in Australia like me.) it is very much dead.
I met new people who all play games like cod and fifa and so on and when i told them i play apex they just kinda laughed and asked why
i quit it 6 months ago or more tbh, because there is too many cheaters like out of 10 games i played i got cheaters in 9 games, people hitting the most lucky shots (not missing at all.. out of 30 bullets he hits 29) im not even gonna talk about sbmm, playing with silvers or golds and on the enemy team there is 3 preds
Has to be the competiveness of it. ive been playing on and off in season 8 and im not good with movement especially after switching to mnk its so hard to fight some of these players zipping around me back and forth ive practiced everyday its really hard to learn. matching with preds when ive barely reached diamond ONCE. it saddens me knowing i cant have a lot of fun due to matchmaking. i really love apex
One of your best videos yet!
They banned me for saying: stupid french
But they dont bann hackers. This game is dead and will never recover. What do they even do with their money😐
you just need to get creative at flamingph4gg0ts, now flaming is gatekept from the low iq monk ease, however if you just put some effort in, you can still let someone know that their mother is a hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhore
Well you dropped a racist slur sooooo..
got banned to tell screaming mic guy to stfu and gtfo great game fuck EA
@@babsibensonbut if they are french i dont see an issue
@@babsibenson banning hackers are more important
season 8-14 was peak apex for me. I had so much fun (and so much rage)
I’m not a crazy lore person but I do love the effort they put into the lore, because they implement it into the game with characters and stuff
100% biggest Issue for me is the servers. The game feels FANTASTIC to play from a mechanical stand point, from the movement to the way each character feels. It's without a doubt one of my personal favorite games of all time. The problem is... all the smooth movement and mechanics within the game break or feel awful when you're playing with lag or ping issues. i'm unsure if its due to the declining player base potentially merging a bunch of servers together or if its just some form of server issue I have no idea. But at least me and my friends' experiences with the game recently have been playing on near-constant several hundred ping lobbies. My closest server has ~40ms delay on average yet 1 in every 5 games if i'm lucky, are actually played at that ping level.
I think after writing all of that, my REAL #1 concern with the game is how quiet things are around it. I want to know WHY me and all of my friends seem to be playing on such high ping every game. I want to play this game but if it's between apex and all of its competitors, of which run perfectly. At least for the moment, i'm having a really tough time choosing apex over everything.
For me, the discontinue on legend based heirlooms was easily the saddest thing. Im free-to-play so most of the stuff they want you pay for or get doesn't matter to me EXCEPT the heirlooms. The thought of working so hard to get the currency needed to get a heirloom for my main is what mainly kept me going (among others reasons). I main vantage and now knowing I'll never get a heirloom for her makes me really disappointed. Its like whenever EA sees the community really liking something they make sure to make it a limited time sort of thing and never again.
Appreciate the honesty Birno. Couldn’t have done better myself
man, it must have been a hell of a work to create this awesome video. thanks for all the content!!
They did add Pylon in season 19 which was Wattson's town takeover but season 13 was the last town takeover in the chain of consistent town takeovers
I'll tell you the real reason apex is suffering right now. All those events including the bloodhound heirloom were all ways of EA/respawn testing how far they could push the prices of their cosmetics. And the fucking hilarious thing is the fact people complained about the shitty prices AS they were buying it. Like most of the playerbase has some sort of mental illness istg
Honestly straight facts ...
Also when they removed trails from ranked and locked them behind prestige skins that also just why?
I find it’s hard to care much about a game when the developers clearly don’t. I love apex but if things keep going as they are and the people in charge don’t get their shit together then Apex is going to die.
Agree with everything u said. You're the Goat man
HEY birno love ur work W vid idea
Great video. I mean they all are but how you describe the player base and current issues, what made this game good and what doesn’t is huge and beneficial for someone like you to come out and say in video. I hope people can agree and EA and Respawn do something
as someone who stopped playing in february its insane that there's this many comments still talking about the sbmm being fucking terrible. thats why i stopped in the first place
I just want to thx you for getting me in to apex and you got me to play Watson
Glad ur enjoying it my man
remember playing in season 7 I was plat rank, against predators. Came back this season and its still the same issue.
I hate SBMM, I legitimately can’t play with my friends because if we play pubs there are just sweats that think this is ALGS, in ranked (that we play just because of hoping in finding more normal players) we just find diamond masters and preds, how can I play, it just makes me lose the will to play every time, in this season we literally play two games a day because we just get bored of looting an entire game and the first fight we just die or dying on drop off
I wish I still liked playing the game. I reinstalled it, played a game of the new season, I actually even liked it thought the changes were neat. And then I didn’t really care to play again, and just uninstalled it. Maybe next season
My Apex Duo who got me into the game has lost any interest in it bc of SBMM. She's a Gold/aiming for Plat player but gets shoved into Pred Lobbies literally all the time. It's just unfair at that point. We're both 30+ years old, we didn't grow up with FPS games, we're not "getting good" any more and are just trying to have a good time after work with our favourite legends. That's just not happening anymore. I envy every Pred who's still able to get fun out of farming us Silvers/Golds and feel sorry for every Pred who was unfortunate enough to get me as a team mate. Sorry man!
Amazing vid thanks so much
Bring arenas and ranked arenas back , fix servers, fix game bugs , get better ranked rewards , ban cheaters , add more events , better ranked systems , spend less time on events than fixing the actually game
E-District is my favorite map, Catalyst and Alter are my favorite legends
Agree with intro
i especially miss arenas because thats where i would practice real fights instead of just warming up in the FR
Last season i played was season 12. Every season it becomes more obvious the devs dont have any passion in this project anymore. I havent felt a spark with any trailers since then. Every season something else gets removed and more skins get added. Its a shame but i dont see myself ever coming back unless a sequel was made that had that same spark season 1-7 had
I refuse to believe that content creators don't know what's wrong with the game. Apex has always faltered on product quality and its devoted player base had a pretty conclude reason why, the core gameplay. However, that is no longer compensating for the really miserable experience that is playing Apex Legends. SBMM, audio, predatory gambling monetization strategies, no player incentives outside of just "iMpRoVinG My SkiLls". Id be shocked if even one third of your audience has enough friends that play Apex still to fill out a trio squad. The game is a relic. Move on and find new shit to play.
Game is on still with all it’s down sides still FUN
All the changes made point toward a single conclusion. They are trying to kill Apex --perhaps for security reasons? Or, because they might have something they think to be better coming?
We can only speculate.
Ex apex player, permanent addict. I quit at the end of season 19 after playing since day 1 with tens of thousands of hours.
The issue I have with Apex isn't its issues so much as they are never ever addressed and only worsened. All of the things people complain about, all of the backlash, all of the hopes of players, all of the coping for 'it'll be better next season....' It was all just that. Coping.
We want the game to be better, and it just keeps declining or making lateral moves. I love the core gameplay but I had to escape the samsara at some point....
Apex just feels different when you play, like that schmovment feels so good. But getting downed after you go behind a wall because of the 20 tick rates... and when you get a no reg on a sentinel in a sticky situation in ranked... just sad
I've been playing apex since day 1 and seeing how much the game has changed since is crazy but mostly for the bad. Though the game has had its ups early seasons, monetization and greed ruined it. SBMM and hackers is just ridiculous and I would just love to see the game get better soon but at this rate idk if I have hope for the game but I'll play it every so often but the game needs change.
In my opinion as a controller play the AA nerf didnt affect my aim
I can relate to all the complaints in this game except for audio issues. I never had any issues and used audio to my advantage
The engine can only play a certain number of audio tracks at a time, once that limit is reached other audio wont play anymore. That's why healing sometimes makes no sound.
Also why ppl dog on the audio same thing happens for everything in the game. Just because you don't notice it doesn't mean its not there. Its literally coded into the engine that way.
the big problem for me is that there not really anything to grind for just playing trios gets boring after a while the only motive I have to play is kills if they had like a legend mastery or something like that where you could earn stuff for your legend for playing them and doing mission that would be cool
I think apex needs to follow the footsteps of fortnite, make a chapter 2 of apex where they work on all the issues (servers, sbmm, cheaters) and then work on ways to include the more casual player base. The aim assist nerf for controller was a correct thing because it made people just joining the game be able to win fights against mechanically better players (which defeats the purpose of skill), it is quite balanced now (maybe still needs a small nerf) but really cannot complain. I feel like its an excuse when people say its an old game because look at fortnite, it recently reached its highest player count ever and its even older than apex,all we can do is hope another company buys apex out or something changes with the devs and ea (most unlikely though)
server tick on apex is actually 16 believe it or not not 20. meaning its even lower than games like minecraft
When it's presented like this you can see very clearly just how bad it's gotten. As a season 0 player I hadn't even noticed that over time I stopped caring about all these fun things like skins, trackers, events, etc. I couldn't even tell you what skins were in the battle pass over the past few seasons. When I play now, I don't get excited about events because I know as someone who doesn't pay for event packs that there's nothing in it for me. The only thing that keeps Apex interesting for me is the comp scene (which suffers heavily from lack of incentives for orgs to stick around, poor planning by ALGS, lack of creator/org events, etc.) and grinding ranked (which I have to solo queue because all my friends who played Apex have now refused to play due to the many issues). But I know once I finally hit Masters for the first time the reward will just be lobbies full of cheaters
I love BR games but I like playing solo. Apex after 6 years doesn't have solo game mode...
I just wish they would keep some of the different game modes in rotation. I feel like they refuse to have more than two unique game modes at a time. For example when they took away solos and replaced duos with quads.
Can’t wait for birno to hit 300k so he does his face reveal
Everyone talking about sbmm need to realize that a lot of the higher "skill" players don't want to also play pred level lobbies in pubs, that's not fun either. I don't think there should be any SBMM, sometimes you'll have an easy lobby, sometimes it'll be hard, just how it goes
Or the "higher skill" players need to realize that stomping on casuals in pubs is why casuals stop playing the game. And that's why you only have Preds left to fight.
Just how it goes.
agreed. i miss the days of pure random lobbies
What drew me out of APEX was the tryhards/cheaters on every match. I play 1 or 2 hours a day, I'm not gonna waste that time frustrated about a videogame.
This Video was unexpectedly interesting.
I’m an average player, I only hit platinum a couple of times, yet these past couple of seasons I was able to raise my kd. All of a sudden, I’m playing against masters and preds. SBMM is so bad.
15:50 what about wattsons takeover birno?
The problem of me with Apex is that everything in every update looks like nothing new to me. Every new times look nothing interested
And I wish they fixed the issue with the nintendo Switch having errors and bugs. It is making the game unplayable..
😂 don't play this on the switch bro 😂😂😂😂
i stopped playing when SBMM came into play, same reason i stopped playing COD , just feel like relaxing sometimes when coming home from work, insteaad of dealing with sweats
Apex is a live service game but we often have to wait entire seasons for bug fixes, legend and weapon nerfs etc. sbmm is long gone opting for engagement based match making (meaning they could care less about match quality so long as you continue to queue). Alot of the games success is lack of competition and alternatives. gaming as a whole is suffering due to streamers and content creation, everyone's trying to make a buck off the game, this simply translates to more sweats, more cheats, less casuals, a constant need to stay on the game to remain skillful enough to enjoy the game, and a steady stream of individuals who justify buying skins for content.
I still play the game from season 1 and being honest, I think u re right about everything, and one of the things I personally hate is, the keep changing the abilities of the legends, take lifeline for an example I use to love her shield while your teammates were on the ground ground it was amazing, I know most of the people would say, yes but you are using your teammates as an object, but if you are in a1 vs 3 situation with actual lobbies, there is no way you can raise your teammate without protection.. So first they left the shield for just one teammate, and you couldn't even redirect the shield, and than new updates, it's gone but instead given to Newcastle, wraith for using her fade you can have a sandwich between pressing the ability and doing it 😅.. I mean lifeline still boring to have it against, but for me it's gone I think from season 4-5 don't remember, cause if I get used to a legend and you keep breaking their abilities what's the point for using them.. Sorry if I messed up mixing lifeline and wraith, but it was 2 examples to say, instead of doing so many stupid legends like fuse or mad Maggie which I personally hate, fix your problems with all the original legends 😢, it used to be much more fun without all those weird skills like drilling the walls or sticking granades to all the people as soon as you touch the ground without even getting a weapon 😢
Hope ur feeling better
dark zero in the intro got me dying💀
Wattson's pylon was added back in s19 as her town takeover. Wish there could be more tho
Wasn't an official take over I don't believe! (I could be wrong)
@@BirnoOCE Yeah I dont really know what is is, other than Wattson was brought along to help energy issues with storm point (by the lore) So we have zeus station, pylon and ceto station with Wattsons technology.
let me sum it up for you guys who cant understand. especially since pro players thought they were the reason people played apex.
1. the game is old we've pretty much done whats to be done. the casuals are leaving
2. they arent making the game any fun(er) its just being bled dry for cash events are garbage
3. last 3 maps in game suck due to all the catering to pros.
the end
In E district there's Horizon office and fuses koala kola shop btw
ive always found my way back to the game but it hasnt felt the same since season 9 or so ive just gave up trying to come back is hard now days cause of how consistently good people are its just not the same feeling anymore everyone has 4k and 20 bombs instead of the best players. i lost my fun playing it since i was a lifeline main and her revive shield got removed
Im capable of knocking 1 member of a 3 stack team/ out play the whole squad but that rarely happens! I cant exactly 1v3 every single game whilst the audio is another problem sometimes ruining moments like that and the fact the teammate balancing is also way off the charts gives me that sense of anger (more of frustration) because you know these current devs are the reason for this game's delusion. Their lazy and they got work to do! 11k hours in too
Been saving crafting and gold forever waiting on wattsons mythic skin. Ea plz drop it soon in case yall continue to neglect the game
They should add cool skins for lifelines drone and pleaseeee bring back spectator mode i like how many people are watching me.
Apex’s killer is going to be GTA6
If you apex just to apex it’s a great game still. And I’ve had a lot of fun the last two seasons.
I can 100% agree with that to an extent!
Dractuah and bite on that thang😭
I FORGOT THAT WAS MY NAME TILL SOMEONE COMMENTED THIS AS WELL
HAHAHHAHAHA
Completely agree but I don’t think you could be more wrong about the “working towards” stuff as apex is the only fps game that allowed you to flex your kills stats ect and I think that’s a good reason. Not good enough but it’s till a reason and a big one at that !
From ur comments, TLDR: everyone feels the game got too hard. Every sbmm complaint that isn’t about queue skips at its core, are about the game being too hard/punishing. Which is ironic because alotta apex players don’t play other games cause they “lack skill” and were originally drawn in by the cutthroat nature of the game.
main reason i stopped playing is they just never fixed hit reg or audio. i might get it for a week in a season but the rest of the season without is just so frustraiting. all i ever wanted apex to do was fix their shitty servers. i don't mind dying when I've made a bad play but when ive beemed someone in the back and 2 shots out the mag regester then they turn around and kill me that's frustrating. and ive been on th other side where i should have lost gun fights but they've no regged on me and it doesn't feel good. also most of my friends got fed up with how sweaty apex has got and went to play anything else really.
We also need them to fix the servers and tweak the audio. Cheating will always be there but we need a better anti cheat. We need to go back to 1-2 collection events per season. We need them to release more game changing modes. Yeah three strikes and revival are cool but they’re generic and aren’t game changing. We need a mode where everyone gets full on Pilot movement and Titans wander around the map and drop loot when killed. We need a melee only mode where the maps are smaller and it’s like dummies big day but no weapons.
I have over 4k hours in this game. Reached Master/Pred for 9 seasons straight. Quit end of last year because i finally realized the devs just dont care. Cheaters, appaling 20 tick rate servers that never work. SBMM thats just straight broken. I quit in Dec 2023 when I walked into D1 then had cheaters every.single.game. Why should I invest my time and money into a game when the devs are only interested in extracting money from me.
Since then I have picked up Hunt:Showdown, where the devs did an entire engine upgrade for all maps and assets. I picked up Valorant where the servers are dead stable at 120tick rate and the Audio is flawless in both of these games. Occasionally I run into cheaters in Hunt but its extremely rare. Respawn has ignored and exploited their playerbase for so long thats its just impossible for this game to succeed anymore. There are WAY to many issues. Apex is dead. Its dead to me and dead to a LOT of other players as well. Look at the state of Battlecord and such. Its empty. Its only a matter of time before the remaining players come to terms with the end of their favorite game.
As someone who started properly playing the game in season 17. A lot of this stuff is irrelevant to me and I havent really had issues with much of the other stuff. I play console and only have problems with matchmaking and server lag
Respawn said they gonna fix the cheating issue, but I think that its gotten so bad they just dont have any idea how to fix it
i uninstalled after everyone on pc started using aim assist. it made me frustrated for a year before i gave up. i just look for games that don't have aim assist now. is there a graph that shows what inputs are being used vs playerbase on pc? all i know is the takeover with using aim assist drove me out.
Remember when we all were hoping epic games would buy respawn 😭 good days
I love apex legends it’s very fun and unique
All things come to an end, unless your Fortnite, EA too greedy for this game to survive long term
The only way to save it is to cut it from ea
The monetization and greed are what ultimately pushed me away from Apex. They stopped caring about the players and focused on the money.
If EA wanted to make money they would allow the Devs to make a Loba finisher where she sits on your face or chokes you with her thighs.
Do you think you’ll try out other similar games like Farlight 84? It’s quite fun and think I could see lots of apex players moving to it.
I love apex, a lot of hours of fun but coming back felt boring and flat, I only found store menus and more skins, more monetization and 0 real content, I miss arenas
Rn im happy with the finals, probably the best f2p shooter rn
I stepped away when the cheating issue was insane (i hear its still pretty bad). That plus the how egregious the Aim assist is... These issue's coupled with how terrible the matchmaking system feels at times was enough for me not to look back, after 800 hours in the game.
I've been playing since season 12 and since then my best friend who got me into this game said he's never going to play this game ever again and that all started when they removed duos. That's EAs problem they don't listen to us they only care about money 💰. I genuinely don't enjoy this game as much as I used to. My biggest issue is them removing ARENAS and legend specific heirlooms. LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERS EA that's all it takes,if they changed the game back to how it was in season 12 I would absolutely love this game and want to spend all my free time playing it. Right now the only reason I still play is because I have too much time and money in the game to quit. I'm not even playing it that often anymore I'm might just quit next season and play GTA online tbh it's more fun. That's just my take
Yeah I think it might be because I can not really find matches and I get so many error codes that kick me out of it plus one other reason is that they need to make heirlooms easy to get because I have played over 100 thousand hours on this and I’m over level 500 and I haven’t gotten one heirloom
I think tap strafing should be added to the game with controller .MnK has to many advantages
I've played on both inputs, Damage output is the most important thing be happy about aim assist and move on
Matchmaking and how ridiculously expensive cosmetics has gotten to made me stop caring