@ttt ttt he couldn't do anything original for himself and instead of trying to become a perfect being on his own, he was basically immortal before killing Xerxes and a willing helper, he craved the power and knowledge of Truth
That's what happens when you're nice and you become apart of the Abomination and then you lose your individuality. The truth is I was supposed to die but human say I was supposed to live cuz that's selfish
@Fernando Alvarado not really. why should anyone feel the need to live...who is to say they were ment to live a long life? at the end of the day everyone has a journey and wether it ends as a long or short one isnt up for anyone but that person
The truth is that the Homonclus is not a monster, homonclus saw with his eyes the structure of authority, the king abuses his father and the father abuses his kid, the kid started to hate his father and hated everything that his father reprezents, even his father's free time activicies ,that nothing had to do with abuse Homonclus because of his life learnt how to expose the structures of authority, without bellonging to a team, just by let the sinners loose and then expose them later , when you expose the sinners to other sinners chaos comes, but you need to have everything prepared, because later the scums will attack you Ofc normal people are cospicary-theorists sometimes and present the dwarf in the jar it as a Machiavelic scum, when in reality his father and his kids that belong to the national army are the real mosters that killing people. I like this finction better because I cant accept that people who searching for knowledge are evil. Evil are the people that talking about mad scientists and bullshits
sad thing is, he NEVER left the flask. With the freedom he obtained, he could have traveled the world, meet the people, learn from the experience, let his emotions run. Instead, he stayed as small being in the bigger flask, his own little world.
The Dwarf never believed in himself, so he pretty much stole everything from others. This is also connected to one of his sins, Sloth. Rather than explore his new freedom and grow as an individual, he simply stayed the same while trying to consume God in order to become perfect. It's like taking a single large step instead of several small steps in order to achieve a goal.
This is kinda what truth was saying. He didn't grow from being out in the world. And even better, the gate of truth holds all the knowledge and power that he's looking for. From his failure to understand the oppurtunity that he had, to his failure to understand what he wanted, he foolishly didn't accept the answer that should have become clear to him long ago simply because he never believed in himself
@@lisboahYou could also view it as a survival mechanism. As a dwarf, to attain freedom, he had to manipulate and kill his creators. He had to, as they would never recognise his freedom or allow him to overpower them. The only alternative was to take it by force. But once free, he never outgrew his mentality while in a cage. He continued to maliciously use other people to be free to do what he wants. His mind was still caged. He thinks people can only help him if he uses them. He has no sense of community as everyone else was the enemy. And the only way to guarantee his freedom is to be one with absolute power and impose his will on others.
The seven deadly sins is what makes us human. "It allows proper despair so humans do not become boastful" In other words without the faults and mistakes to learn from, you do not acquire proper growth through a realization of truth. If you go through life thinking your perfect, you become boastful, so you do not learn and grow. Those are the deadly consequences of over indulgence of the ego. Your own self destruction.
It's quite interesting to see how the gate behind Father is empty while we could see the tree of life on Edward's gate. This show the greatest difference between them. And I think Hohenheim represent everything what Father doesn't. Edward spent his whole young life on studying and he worked hard and sacrificed a lot to gather all the knowledge. Therefore the tree of life on his gate represents all his wisdom and knowledge on alchemy and the concept of life. Father's gate is empty because he never bothered to learn anything. All he did was stealing from others. And while Father created the homunculi as the seven deadly sins, Hohenheim represents the opposites of these sins. He is kind, generous, diligent, humble, never abuses his power or asks for more in life, is faithful to his late wife and all he wants is to prevent a second Xerxes incident. After all he went through and after giving up so much, he never even thinks about killing father. He just wants to stop him. Yet... I cant help but feel bad for him in this scene. Despite his low opinion on humans he was very human himself. His desire to be free from everything with nothing that could restrain him, reflects the desire of all humans. Alchemists keep researching to uncover all mysteries to gain power and control and break free from the laws of nature. All those who got carried away by these achievements became arrogant and believed they could outsmart god. Father is what everyone of us could become if we get blinded by our hubris and power and try to play god.
I think it goes to their character motivations. Father, the dwarf, never seemed to really appreciate life. Never appreciated existence. It was a means to an end, not the end itself. Just a step on the ladder. In father's perspective, Life was just the place where the dwarf ascended to godhood. Compare this to Ed, whose motivated by Life itself. First it was their mother's Life, then Al's. As the series continues and the stakes get higher eventually he fights for everyone's Life. Ed's Gate has the Tree of Life because Ed made Life important to him. We see this come full circle at the end when he gives up his powers, in full acceptance that the best "magic" was existence itself. The dwarfs has nothing, because the dwarf made nothing important to him.
Maybe for me it is not to out play God, but out moralize him. I want to break free of pain, but I do nothing to further myself. I answer myself all the time, yet do nothing to help myself. If I did, I could forgive all the past transgressions that happened to me. Yet I still blame them for not moving forward, because if I did i feel it would eliminate their presence from my mind by those who outsmart me casually. It's quite a sick trap. I'm bitter and can't forgive the past, but I can't get past it either as a result. And it clouds my future as a result. Maybe some day I'll learn the meaning of love and patience and discipline.
This is what happened in the fall of Atlantis. Beings with extremely advanced tech. The science basically became so advanced it looked like God's magic. They tried to reach god through the material which created their downfall. The tech got out of control and caused a flood so massive their civilization was wiped out. They tried to take a shortcut and instead of going within they looked outside of themselves to become gods. The bible speaks of the flood as well.
I'm the 900rd like. ^^ Also I totally agree with you, the sins we have are there to show us how much we could achieve if we learned from them and moved past them, overcoming them to be our better selves, Father never bothered to do that himself, he just got rid of them and thought he was good enough after that, despite keeping his hubris and greed the entire time even with that, showing that he learned nothing.
One thing that I love about the Japanese version that was missing in the English dub was how Truth not only has the same appearance as whoever perceives them, but also the same voice. It really adds to that otherworldly feeling of Truth, especially when they talk with that unique cadence and reverb. It's a voice familiar, yet totally different. And the fact they're almost always mocking whomever has stepped into their domain makes the fact that they're doing it in your own voice sting all the more.
The voice is also to show what they perceive as god is also a part of themselves. Basically the "Ichi wa zen, zen wa ichi" (One is all, All is one) is as universal as equivalent exchange. I always felt this was the intention, and I remember reading and interview in which Hiromu Arakawa confirmed this, saying that this representation of god or truth can be seen as an antithesis to the person who enters. Also the god/truth being says this when entering e.g. "I am all, I am one, I'm also you"
@@mattsepan6274 not really, If you're talking about the little one (the homunculus). But If your talking about the "truth", He is probably the biblical God (Adonai).
I love how you can both feel sorry for the dwarf in the flask and also happy to see him get what he deserved in the end. I honestly want to meet the guy from Xerxes that managed to create the dwarf in the first place, just from a tiny bit of Hohenheim's blood. To create other homunculus you need a philosophers stone which requires a lot of people not just blood from one.
That's how father created the other homunculus but they also had physical form and inhuman powers. Before he got his body he was just a little blob of shadow that couldn't survive outside of his flask. So it probably didn't require nearly as much to create him
The dwarf in the flask is based on the Homunculus in Faust II I think. There the creator would be Magnus. I thought that this may be interesting for you. @Marika's Daughter
This was so amazing to watch at the time. The first time I saw Truth and it said these lines to Ed, I had no reaction, as in "pff some typical ominous lines for a villain". When I got to this scene and heard the exact same lines again, after all that happened in the series, they hit me like a ton of bricks. Exact same lines, but now we can understand. Truth either makes you humble or gives you despair because it's what you can't change. Beautiful.
Didn't it give him despair becuase he himself believed that despair is what makes someone humble? The truth would be the thing you block out of your mind but live by anyway. He saw himself as god and saw it as gods job to make people better by giving them despair so when he was confronted with his own humanity before god he was also forced to take the other end of the duality in order to establish balance.
@@huy2496 one of the few that recognizes truth is subjective. This is what real alchemists knew too. You are the sum of your truths, and your world reflects it back to you. Thus you’re trapped or free in a reality of your own making.
@@Liam-ke2hv It's shown beautifully with the tree. The connections we make with others are how we are remembered, and with Father not making any connections (seeing them as a weakness) he will not be remembered in a few decades.
So basically, when the dwarf escaped the gate, God gave him a chance to be part of the human world. However, as the dwarf lived in the human world, he got more and more greedy and his belief in God's existence started to vanish. Thus when it fully vanished to the point where dwarf thought HE was the God, God himself pulled dwarf back from reality and tossed him back behind the gate.
Ridwan Khan Thats also What I got from that God/Truth let him experienced freedom,even at the cause of a bilion (or was it million ) people dying but Father only wasted it by trying to be more than he already was
tarts n sweets I felt sorry for him, I mean it's a testament to how great the writer and the anime is. To display such emotions in a setting of minutes is phenomenal
I think the reason "What's wrong with desiring that?!" is never answered is because truth is also him, so he cannot answer himself because he refuses to believe there's anything wrong with wanting to be perfect.
The last line can actually be taken AS an answer to that question: You must have already seen the answer. In other words, he would have known the answer to his own question if he had grown and learned.
@@vanesalodico7798 but Truth didnt judge dwarfy for it. Truth didnt say it was wrong of him, it was the other that deem it evil. The only thing Truth point out was dwarfy's mistakes. In searching for Truth, he stray further from it by rejecting his 7desires and become "perfect", resulting in ignorance which born from him misunderstood the idea of "mistake" as something unbeffiting for a perfect being thus stop his growth.
@@Concerned_Custodian It's a showing of authority and merit -- ideally, their religious status lends credence to their judgement of the work over someone who isn't as familiar with Christian themes. Alas, most christians care not for their own teachings, and indeed act more like Marcus Pontius Pilatus' loyal centurions than anything close to the messiah, so it holds little ground.
@@Marx_D._Soul Man you must have been itching to get that out there. Here’s a much more fair interpretation of the original comment which doesn’t rely on cheap psychoanalysis and moral cynicism: “As someone with x values, I appreciated how well they were expressed by this show.” That’s it. And @Overly Agressive Machine this is a UA-cam comment section, lol. People can post their reactions if they want to.
It stupidly because he allowed them all to plan against him. Hoihiem and Scares transmutation circles pretty much reserve everything. After that all they had to do is beat him like every other homunculus.
@@Shadothecat I think it goes deeper than just not planning. His blank gate hints at it: He didn't learn a thing. He had all this power, but no wisdom to apply it with finesse. Pretty much all his plans were accomplished through brute force, or the wiles of others. So when matched against humans who were both powerful and either wise, or willing to learn, it all fell apart with tremendous speed!
@@tanall5959 what i am saying is that the 5 sacrifices were allowed to roam free. Even after openly admitting they were going to stop him. His whole plan is pretty genius but it counted on the sacrifices just allowing him to open the earth transmutation gate and accepting his plan for them.
I never noticed before another youtuber pointed it out but Father's gate was totally blank the entire time Everyone else had an intricate door that symbolized the knowledge they'd acquired through their lives. Father took knowledge from everyone and everything he could find, but none of it was ever truly his. Pretty nice touch!
holy fckng sht yeah! I never noticed that, truth was probably "bitch, seriously?" the entire time, bc the little one in the flask was ALWAYS bragging about being the smartest one and getting knowledge throught life, but truth knows the truth... the truth about the fact that the dwarf literally doesn't know nothing and doesn't seems to want to learn nothing(I mean, that's literally what was said XD) the dwarf misunderstood what "learning" meant and kept getting what belong to others instead of trying to live himself, the dwarf doesn't know nothing and never will, yet he keeps asking to be given more time to learn
"I wanted to learn everything!" -An Evil Dusty Bunny "You ain't learned shit, ten thousand years in the cave of wonders ought to chill you out!" -One Smiley Boi
The interesting thing about the Dwarf is that I think he represents the human condition, we are small insignificant beings stuck on the restrictions of the matter, the body and the laws of the universe, our "flask". He wishing for knowledge and freedom is not wrong, and mirrors our struggle and angst living in a chaotic world with a fragile body without really knowing why we are here and where we are going, but just like us humans are capable of, he goes too far and in the end his foolishness came back to punish him. His story is summarized perfectly by Ed in the beggining when he tells Rose about the danger of getting too close to the sun, which is one of the main themes of the show
@sailormoon-b6c in the sense that we are trapped in a fragile and limited body on a chaotic world that we have absolutely no control. Our essence can be divine, but our condition is limited
The great irony of the Dwarf in the Flask is that he commits terrible atrocities to "free" himself of his tether to the Void... unaware that his ignorance is exactly what gave him freedom in the first place. From the very beginning, he has been digging his own grave, thinking he was looking for buried treasure. He never wanted to learn, really. He just wanted to know, without learning.
The dwarf in the flask is life at its simple form. Non dual and no thing. He attached himself to the belief that everything was to be acquired through external means. He detached himself from his inner divinity by aspiring to achieve this thing called "God", a concept, which is how the show dabbles into Zen Buddhism. The dwarf thought by detaching himself from the seven deadly sins, he would be able to achieve perfection which is wrong.
Eloheim not everyone would agree with you on that, though which is sad of course because we would just end up becoming empty shells to be played with. So many people see the 7 deadly sins nothing but evil and must be destroyed if we are to achieve paradise or be acceptable by god even if it means destroying everything else we hold dear to us and so many people uses that to manipulate others into destroying themselves as well for someone else's gain. If God is a true father and merciful than he would want us to grow and learn instead making us lesser beings with little thought or care in the world we all make together.
Detaching them and in the way he went about it shows how he renounces parts of himself that are semi inherent while he himself is not a human…but still part of the whole. If he understood that and saw that truth for himself the god figure could have answered his question…the real question is if he saw it for *himself* would this whole conflict even exist?
@@TheJiminatorHS That is the only way to truly beat them, because as humans are inherently flawed, there is no way we can actually cut them out of ourselves lest we sacrifice our humanity entirely. It is an impssible task that even the Dwarf failed at due to how despite expunging the sins from himself, he still represented each sin to a tee but with none of the nuance or redeeming qualities the "sin" may bring. A bit of pride is just confidence, which is important and allows you to hold your own identity. A bit of envy can be seen as admiration and the desire to better oneself in order to meet the standards, etc. etc. His entire journey was completely and utterly pointless.
Though Edgelord is quite right that that's what that means, that Father never actually _learned_ anything for himself in all his years of life, your point made me think of an interesting way of thinking about this that still fits with what you said. Father essentially seemed to think that "perfection" meant "free of the desires that corrupt oneself" essentially "pure" in some sense. Father thinks that desiring things, and being human in the sense we often use it, being fallible and to be influenced by our wants and our environment, are bad, and corrupt us. That is true, but Father's door being blank also demonstrates the problem with wanting to be "pure" in that sense...you learn nothing because you _want_ nothing strongly enough, and have no depth as a person, and thus in a sense are "blank", just like Father's door. I've noticed that sense of "blankness" or lack of personality, happens with people who surrender their individuality, like cult members. In Father's case, he did it _to himself_ by literally _removing_ the things that made him more of a complete individual. Arguably, he still _had_ all those sins judging by his actions and a few moments of his expressions, but he removed the parts of them that made a significant impact on his personality, and without that...he's just a shadow of what he used to be, and at the end, since he didn't learn anything, his doors had nothing to display at all. His soul utterly vacant of any distinguishing appearance beyond that exact _lack_ of it. Father wanted to be better than everything, even God, and yet at the end of the day, he was little better than nothing at all...
When you try to learn 'everything' you really are learning 'nothing' because only 'everything' can be sacrificed for 'everything' and when you sacrifice everything you are left with 'nothing'.
I like how this series gets classical Western philosophy so much better than any modern work. It makes me curious to know if Hiromu Arakawa has read Aristotle or Boethius. For anyone curious, the answer to the little on in the flask is spelled very clearly at the end of chapter 4 of the Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius, and elaborated in chapter 5. We should remember Psalm 131 too, I guess.
this anime changes me from the first time i watch it when i was 13years old till this day.. it teaches me to be more responsible with my action more than how responsibility teaching in my school back then..
Reading through this comment section sparks so much joy on a philosophy-loving person like me. Just so many people able to grasp what the moment means, what the lines lead to, the meaning, the fitting punishment, and even beyond the scene. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is an anime, a life lesson, and a lesson about our world and the people in it.
@@moosesues8887 then go watch it and try to understand ig? ofc you'll not understand what people are talking about in this comment section without watching the show and know te context of this scene. Plus FMAB is a great show so I recommend watching it regardless
I love how the Dwarf's gate is blank; as in pursuit of godhood he slaughtered millions, existed for millennia, held a sun in his hand, and lost everything all while learning nothing.
I truly do hate the Dwarf in the Flask, but even a character like him I cannot help feeling bad for. I even feel bad for Envy. Such a hardcore psychopath but his cries and humiliation are just TRAGiC. This show INTENDS to make us watchers feel bad for characters who should NEVER BE FORGIVEN. Is there anyone else who feels bad for the Dwarf in the Flask besides me?
No not really, I relished in the suffering of both the Dwarf and Envy. I honestly believe terrible people should have terrible things done to them and I usually wish I was the one to inflict these terrible things upon them. I'm not a good person but sometimes there is a need for necessary evil
@@ThisisKyle Is “necessary evil” really necessary? Revenge doesn’t make their past sins go away, it just makes you as bad of a person as them. The end doesn’t always justify the means.
I agree. I truly felt bad for him. All his actions only took him away from what he wanted. His pledge made my heart ache , even though he is an unforgivable person.
"I wanted to be the perfect being - Kami, what is wrong with that?" But no answer given - it is never wrong to improve yourself, but how you achieve it matters ... Repeated genocides might be a little bit too much
Jovani O All he had to do, was learn how to accept what he has, the truth was to never become better than humans.....because he lost himself, there was no other ending for him.
The idea isn’t wrong... but when ur using others, which dictates selfishness will destroy you. Look at the end battle, he has NOTHING, he have basically the entire world trying to destroy him. That is sad
The irony is that the Homunculus wanted to become "One" with "God". His endgame was to do so, with himself in control. In defeat, his fate was to become "One" with "God", but as an infinitesimally small portion of the greater being. So he gets what he wanted, but not in the way he had planned.
Whenever people talk about the show, they always talk about it's amazing animation, awasome fight scenes, great world building, non-traditional shonen storyline, great protagonist, side characters & well written antagonists and a good ending but they just forget how philosophical & metaphorical story it actually is.
They cut a beautiful line from the manga.
"Stealing the power of God doesn't make you God... It just makes you a cunning thief".
huh?!!?!???!
@@shirleyong4846 OMG????!!!????
Why would they cut that line that goes great with the context and theme
Oh brother...
@ttt ttt he couldn't do anything original for himself and instead of trying to become a perfect being on his own, he was basically immortal before killing Xerxes and a willing helper, he craved the power and knowledge of Truth
Sad part is, he actually recieves what he wants, Infinite Knowledge but he loses his individuality so it doesn't matter in the end.
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That's what happens when you're nice and you become apart of the Abomination and then you lose your individuality.
The truth is I was supposed to die but human say I was supposed to live cuz that's selfish
@Fernando Alvarado not really. why should anyone feel the need to live...who is to say they were ment to live a long life? at the end of the day everyone has a journey and wether it ends as a long or short one isnt up for anyone but that person
am i the only one who doesn't understand what raezore was trying to say? What he said doesnt even seem suicidal lol.
The truth is that the Homonclus is not a monster, homonclus saw with his eyes the structure of authority, the king abuses his father and the father abuses his kid, the kid started to hate his father and hated everything that his father reprezents, even his father's free time activicies ,that nothing had to do with abuse
Homonclus because of his life learnt how to expose the structures of authority, without bellonging to a team, just by let the sinners loose and then expose them later , when you expose the sinners to other sinners chaos comes, but you need to have everything prepared, because later the scums will attack you
Ofc normal people are cospicary-theorists sometimes and present the dwarf in the jar it as a Machiavelic scum, when in reality his father and his kids that belong to the national army are the real mosters that killing people.
I like this finction better because I cant accept that people who searching for knowledge are evil. Evil are the people that talking about mad scientists and bullshits
「どうすればよかったのだ」に対して、扉の向こうに行った後に「お前はもう見ていただろうに」は本当に皮肉だな
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因果応報。
当時の願いは「フラスコから出て自由に暮らすこと」だったはずなんだよな。
でも、出た後も増長していった結果がコレ(この世の全てを望んだ罰として全てを失う)ということなのかも。
sad thing is, he NEVER left the flask. With the freedom he obtained, he could have traveled the world, meet the people, learn from the experience, let his emotions run.
Instead, he stayed as small being in the bigger flask, his own little world.
The Dwarf never believed in himself, so he pretty much stole everything from others. This is also connected to one of his sins, Sloth. Rather than explore his new freedom and grow as an individual, he simply stayed the same while trying to consume God in order to become perfect. It's like taking a single large step instead of several small steps in order to achieve a goal.
Best philosophy i read in the comments.
This is kinda what truth was saying. He didn't grow from being out in the world. And even better, the gate of truth holds all the knowledge and power that he's looking for. From his failure to understand the oppurtunity that he had, to his failure to understand what he wanted, he foolishly didn't accept the answer that should have become clear to him long ago simply because he never believed in himself
Reason why his gate is empty
@@lisboahYou could also view it as a survival mechanism.
As a dwarf, to attain freedom, he had to manipulate and kill his creators.
He had to, as they would never recognise his freedom or allow him to overpower them. The only alternative was to take it by force.
But once free, he never outgrew his mentality while in a cage.
He continued to maliciously use other people to be free to do what he wants.
His mind was still caged. He thinks people can only help him if he uses them. He has no sense of community as everyone else was the enemy.
And the only way to guarantee his freedom is to be one with absolute power and impose his will on others.
Dwarf: What should I have done?!
Truth: Imma pretend like I didn't hear that
Rip
I think he knows the answer, but he just didn't do any
and that is why he leaves no marks on his door, nor his life
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"He that makes himself an angel makes himself a beast." - Blaise Pascal
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"He who makes a beast of himself gets rid of the pain of being a man." - Samuel Johnson
The seven deadly sins is what makes us human. "It allows proper despair so humans do not become boastful" In other words without the faults and mistakes to learn from, you do not acquire proper growth through a realization of truth. If you go through life thinking your perfect, you become boastful, so you do not learn and grow. Those are the deadly consequences of over indulgence of the ego. Your own self destruction.
Ummm obviously? That's what this whole show was about?
Humility develops a person
Ego,destroys a person.
true
Eloheim 吗。，，。
If that's the case wouldn't u consider god to be boastful since he's perfect
The dwarf gate of truth is plain empty . Hundreds years living on earth hasnt taught him one thing
Because you can only learn the truth outside of the physical world something the dwarf was scared to access
Good catch. I didn't notice!
Taught*
It's because he got rid of the seven desires, without desire and fear, we learn nothing.
Yeah he did everything using the knowledge he was born with from the eye of god
ほかの人コメントを見て、マジで扉に何にも模様がねぇ！と驚き
『おまえ自身が成長しておらん』
っていう言葉になるほどねぇと思った。
まぁ
ホムンクルスのおかげで、
人間は成長できたけど。
欲望の上には何もない事が。
一種の「何を信じて生きたか」「どういう生き方をしたか」という審判みたいなのを扉で表現したのは作者が天才だと思う。人に解るように自分の考えている事をアウトプットするのはやはり才能の要る事。
このコメント見たらキンブリーの心理の扉の紋様が気になってきたな…
@@kt6012 怨嗟や爆発がかたどられてる、オーギュスト・ロダンの地獄の門みたいになるんじゃないかな
気づいたみんなすげえ
@@kt6012 彼の文様は E = mc² じゃないかな。美しさ以外は何もない、よくもわるくもなく。
It's quite interesting to see how the gate behind Father is empty while we could see the tree of life on Edward's gate. This show the greatest difference between them. And I think Hohenheim represent everything what Father doesn't.
Edward spent his whole young life on studying and he worked hard and sacrificed a lot to gather all the knowledge. Therefore the tree of life on his gate represents all his wisdom and knowledge on alchemy and the concept of life. Father's gate is empty because he never bothered to learn anything. All he did was stealing from others.
And while Father created the homunculi as the seven deadly sins, Hohenheim represents the opposites of these sins. He is kind, generous, diligent, humble, never abuses his power or asks for more in life, is faithful to his late wife and all he wants is to prevent a second Xerxes incident. After all he went through and after giving up so much, he never even thinks about killing father. He just wants to stop him.
Yet... I cant help but feel bad for him in this scene. Despite his low opinion on humans he was very human himself. His desire to be free from everything with nothing that could restrain him, reflects the desire of all humans. Alchemists keep researching to uncover all mysteries to gain power and control and break free from the laws of nature. All those who got carried away by these achievements became arrogant and believed they could outsmart god. Father is what everyone of us could become if we get blinded by our hubris and power and try to play god.
I think it goes to their character motivations. Father, the dwarf, never seemed to really appreciate life. Never appreciated existence. It was a means to an end, not the end itself. Just a step on the ladder. In father's perspective, Life was just the place where the dwarf ascended to godhood.
Compare this to Ed, whose motivated by Life itself. First it was their mother's Life, then Al's. As the series continues and the stakes get higher eventually he fights for everyone's Life.
Ed's Gate has the Tree of Life because Ed made Life important to him. We see this come full circle at the end when he gives up his powers, in full acceptance that the best "magic" was existence itself. The dwarfs has nothing, because the dwarf made nothing important to him.
Maybe for me it is not to out play God, but out moralize him.
I want to break free of pain, but I do nothing to further myself.
I answer myself all the time, yet do nothing to help myself.
If I did, I could forgive all the past transgressions that happened to me. Yet I still blame them for not moving forward, because if I did i feel it would eliminate their presence from my mind by those who outsmart me casually.
It's quite a sick trap.
I'm bitter and can't forgive the past, but I can't get past it either as a result. And it clouds my future as a result. Maybe some day I'll learn the meaning of love and patience and discipline.
@@DkKombo u might be right
This is what happened in the fall of Atlantis. Beings with extremely advanced tech. The science basically became so advanced it looked like God's magic. They tried to reach god through the material which created their downfall. The tech got out of control and caused a flood so massive their civilization was wiped out. They tried to take a shortcut and instead of going within they looked outside of themselves to become gods. The bible speaks of the flood as well.
I'm the 900rd like. ^^ Also I totally agree with you, the sins we have are there to show us how much we could achieve if we learned from them and moved past them, overcoming them to be our better selves, Father never bothered to do that himself, he just got rid of them and thought he was good enough after that, despite keeping his hubris and greed the entire time even with that, showing that he learned nothing.
この選曲が凄い。一見穏やかで平和な音楽が、このラストシーンの意味を深めている。「正しい絶望とは何か？」
One thing that I love about the Japanese version that was missing in the English dub was how Truth not only has the same appearance as whoever perceives them, but also the same voice. It really adds to that otherworldly feeling of Truth, especially when they talk with that unique cadence and reverb. It's a voice familiar, yet totally different. And the fact they're almost always mocking whomever has stepped into their domain makes the fact that they're doing it in your own voice sting all the more.
What anime is this? I have never seen these characters before.
@@saturncrush Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood
@@hfar_in_the_sky oh snap!!! Cool.
@@saturncrush Fullmetal Alchemist is like the best shonen anime of all time. I would highly recommend it if you haven't seen it
The voice is also to show what they perceive as god is also a part of themselves. Basically the "Ichi wa zen, zen wa ichi" (One is all, All is one) is as universal as equivalent exchange. I always felt this was the intention, and I remember reading and interview in which Hiromu Arakawa confirmed this, saying that this representation of god or truth can be seen as an antithesis to the person who enters.
Also the god/truth being says this when entering e.g. "I am all, I am one, I'm also you"
原作だとテンポよく進んでたシーンがアニメだと丁寧に描写されてんのいいな。アニメによっては尺稼ぎでイライラする時もあるけど、ハガレンはそんな風には感じなくてむしろ丁寧でいいものになってるからスタッフさん達は本当にすげぇなって。いやほんとに。
原作だと駆け足でフラスコの中の小人の心情とかあまり描かれなかったけど、アニメで丁寧にやってくれたのすごく良い
ホーエンハイムが同情してたのもポイント
僕と同じ事を思ってる人がいるなんて。
知れば知るほどちゃんと作り込まれてる作品だな、と感心する
望んで何が悪い〜の部分は否定されてないのがまたいいね
望むことは当然で自然なことなのでいいんですよね。
そこから、それを掴むために己を磨き研鑽し、自らを極めることができるかということですね。
否定はしない、でもその為の手段が激しく間違っている。😑
全てを得ようとして、全て得ようとした瞬間に全てを失った。皮肉な話。
I like how he is a Biblical Satan in everything but name, also without cliche appearance
Perfect!
Hes also technically Biblical God too, which is weird to think about, that he's both in one.
@@mattsepan6274 not really, If you're talking about the little one (the homunculus). But If your talking about the "truth", He is probably the biblical God (Adonai).
@@adriangudino3412 apparently Satan has no form, he simply takes on the appearance of what someone finds most attractive
Truth or the Dwarf in the Flask?
どこまでも等価交換にこだわった作品。ただそれと同時に等価交換の原則では説明できない何かがあるということを教えてくれた。
賢者の石でなんでもできる対価として、ホーエンハイムという理解者を始め、何もかも失った等価交換だったとも捉えられそう
真理の扉何も無いあたり結局何も理解してないの、不憫すぎる。
真理の扉に何も書かれてないのがまた深いなぁ
何も得られてないってことか
ヤキソバ 今まで一切気が付かなかった
鳥肌やべえ
確かに エドやアルのにはいっぱい刻まれてましたからね
鳥肌立ったわ……確かに何も書かれてないただの扉。他の扉を開けた人間は何かしら描かれてるのに、フラスコの中の小人だけ、何もない。何も得られなかったと言う事か。
@@アシタノミライ-t6z 他の人がそう言ってるじゃん
@@4zw673 ミラーリングなだけだから許して
ただひたすらに諦めず、自分の無力を知りながらも力を信じて努力する
そんな人間たちが最後まで目の前にいたし、自分が切り離した欲ですら何が大切なのかを理解して逝ったのに最後まで理解できなかった悲しい存在だよな
なおグラトニー…
むしろ切り離した欲の中にこそ大切なものが内包されていたという皮肉
@@白波リョウマ
暴食＝食べないと死ぬ＝死にたくないから食べる
って考えると最後ラストに助けを求めたのは自分にとってどんな時でも1番助けてくれる存在だからって思える…
的外れすぎるかもしれんけど…
ま、欲がないなら人間何もしないし何も成長しませんからね
最初に七つの原罪(欲望)を切り離したのも裏返せば「欲に耐えられないから切り離しておく」=「欲に耐え目的を達成する自信がない、そんな自分を信じることが出来ない」ってことだし
2:29 ここら辺はアニメオリジナルなんだよね。
原作だと｢嫌だーー｣だけでバン！とあっさりしたものだけど、ここの改変は最高だわ。
「どうすればよかったのだ」への返しが素晴らしい。見ようとしなければ何も無いのと同義ということか
扉が閉じた後に、本人には決して辿り着けなかった答えを「お前はその答えを見ていただろうに」と読者にだけ見せるのが本当に絶望的で切ない。
神への反逆は、楽には死ねんって事だ。
@@アーミーバタリアン
「フラスコの中の小人」にとって、最大の生き地獄を一生味わうことになったというところでしょうか…
自分で言ってる事がそのまんま起きただけ。恐怖の現実化？。永遠の続く苦痛と恐怖。
@夜戦主義提督
ラストに[真理]が言う言葉は実はアニオリです。ボンズと荒川先生が描きたかった物が詰まった一言ですよね。
このシーンは何回見ても感慨深いものがある…
何も掴めず手を伸ばした小人と
何も得られなくても諦めなかった子供と
何も残らなくても歩みを止めなかった父の
そんな物語
伸びろ
エドの真理の扉には色々刻まれてたのに心理だのなんだのってずっと言ってたお父様の真理の扉には何も書かれてないのがまた皮肉
@@とりさん-d5f 結局何も見ていなかったってことになるのかな
悲しいな
@@MR-mh6rf
何百万人も自分の欲のために殺したのに得られた物が虚無とか誰も救われねぇ…。
@@とりさん-d5f 結局はホムンクルス(お父様)は神を取り込でも空っぽな奴には決して何も得られないのだから。
欲して何が悪い望んで何が悪い
願い求めて何が悪い!!!この言葉好きだな〜
このセリフに対して白い方が否定してないってのがまたなんとも言えないんよね
@@no-nt3dx それな〜
望むものを苦労せずに叶えようとしたから扉には何もなかった
残念な人生よ
I love how you can both feel sorry for the dwarf in the flask and also happy to see him get what he deserved in the end. I honestly want to meet the guy from Xerxes that managed to create the dwarf in the first place, just from a tiny bit of Hohenheim's blood. To create other homunculus you need a philosophers stone which requires a lot of people not just blood from one.
Unless they knew a technique that didn't need a human sacrifice?
Dwarf in the flask might be different since he had basically no physical body unlike other homonculi
That's how father created the other homunculus but they also had physical form and inhuman powers. Before he got his body he was just a little blob of shadow that couldn't survive outside of his flask. So it probably didn't require nearly as much to create him
I never stopped to think about that guy, he died to his own creation's plan, and probably didn't even got to meet it
The dwarf in the flask is based on the Homunculus in Faust II I think. There the creator would be Magnus. I thought that this may be interesting for you. @Marika's Daughter
絶望が誰にでも与えられるように
誰でも希望を見ることができる
大切なのは失敗してもめげない心
He wanted to be the perfect being
But he isnt cell
Technically he is. Van Hoheneim blood cell.
Jason Adjiwanou or Kars
@@sambryce321 ayayayayayayaya
Jason Adjiwanou you are the goat 🐐
Jason Adjiwanou I’m not sure if it’s a joke I’m missing out but he’s talking about Cell in dragon ball z, Perfect Cell.
声を加工していても家弓さんの個性が出ているし輝いている
問い掛けに対して真理が言う答えは全て真実であり、だからこそ他の問い掛けには答えるが「欲して何が悪い！？望んで何が悪い！？願い求めて何が悪い！？」という問い掛けには真実だから答えずに黙ってる。
って考察読んで上手い演出だなぁと思った。欲を切り離したはずなのに欲で動いてることに気付けてない。
他の作品の言葉を借りるなら「神の意識とは何物にも寄らず自己を確立する、空間・虚無の意識」。何かに寄り、何かを欲する時点で人と何も変わらない。
あれだけ全能感あったお父様ですら真理の前でも無力、とても小さい存在っていうのが恐ろしい。
お父様自身が何一つとして成長していないと言うのが真理の扉に何も描かれてないという形で表れているのがこれまでに何万人と言う犠牲が出たのに全て無駄だったと言う皮肉が効いてて好き
句読点使おうや
完全な存在を目指した者の真理の扉が無地という皮肉
下手に賢振らず、欲望のままやりたい放題していた方がまだましそうだったのが何とも
Truth's voice is soooo soothing.... Outworldy and ethereal at the same time!!!!
This was so amazing to watch at the time. The first time I saw Truth and it said these lines to Ed, I had no reaction, as in "pff some typical ominous lines for a villain". When I got to this scene and heard the exact same lines again, after all that happened in the series, they hit me like a ton of bricks. Exact same lines, but now we can understand. Truth either makes you humble or gives you despair because it's what you can't change. Beautiful.
Amen.
Didn't it give him despair becuase he himself believed that despair is what makes someone humble? The truth would be the thing you block out of your mind but live by anyway. He saw himself as god and saw it as gods job to make people better by giving them despair so when he was confronted with his own humanity before god he was also forced to take the other end of the duality in order to establish balance.
@@huy2496 one of the few that recognizes truth is subjective. This is what real alchemists knew too. You are the sum of your truths, and your world reflects it back to you. Thus you’re trapped or free in a reality of your own making.
@@danix454we are the architect of our own experience, players in a game, being both the game and the player
@@Liam-ke2hv It's shown beautifully with the tree. The connections we make with others are how we are remembered, and with Father not making any connections (seeing them as a weakness) he will not be remembered in a few decades.
1:10 ここのシーン、真理は欲すること、望むこと、願い求めること自体は否定してないんだよね。ただそれを自分で行わなかったのが最大の不幸だったな。
自分の最後の時も、こんな悔いだらけにならないように生きたいな・・・
「何様のつもりだお前は」が可愛すぎる
So basically, when the dwarf escaped the gate, God gave him a chance to be part of the human world. However, as the dwarf lived in the human world, he got more and more greedy and his belief in God's existence started to vanish. Thus when it fully vanished to the point where dwarf thought HE was the God, God himself pulled dwarf back from reality and tossed him back behind the gate.
Ridwan Khan Thats also What I got from that
God/Truth let him experienced freedom,even at the cause of a bilion (or was it million ) people dying but Father only wasted it by trying to be more than he already was
Britney Squad 297 *Homunculi
@@Nessbuo Homunculi are plural. Homunculus is single.
Novel Nouvel I know but I thought that he meant Homunculi not homunculus since he used “are” in his sentence
@@Nessbuo we need to transmute that *"are"* into *"is"* hahaha
最後の最後まで等価交換の原則がブレずに適用されてるのが素晴らしい
等価交換から避難できるだなどと、その気になっていたオマエの姿はお笑いだったぜw
ﾀﾞﾆｨ！？
@@ムスコカクテル 親父ぃ…どこへ行く気だ？
@@com5393
扉の向こうかな？
Honestly, after everything this little shit did to people, watching him get dragged back to the place he came from by force was really satisfying.
tarts n sweets I felt sorry for him, I mean it's a testament to how great the writer and the anime is. To display such emotions in a setting of minutes is phenomenal
Revenge for Hughes!
Frs fuck that little piece of shit he got what he deserved
@@jesseperera8735 not really
But I think sad for him...
みんながいると言って、正解だ！と送り出されたエドに対し、全てを自分のものにしたお父様は飲み込まれるってすごい対比だよね
I think the reason "What's wrong with desiring that?!" is never answered is because truth is also him, so he cannot answer himself because he refuses to believe there's anything wrong with wanting to be perfect.
Nah, truth doesnt answer because theres nothing wrong with the desire of Father, its was the means he took to reach It that were wrong
The last line can actually be taken AS an answer to that question: You must have already seen the answer. In other words, he would have known the answer to his own question if he had grown and learned.
@@gaelurquiz5755 the means were wrong he/she sacrificed billions of human life in order for it to get what it wants.
@@vanesalodico7798 but Truth didnt judge dwarfy for it. Truth didnt say it was wrong of him, it was the other that deem it evil. The only thing Truth point out was dwarfy's mistakes. In searching for Truth, he stray further from it by rejecting his 7desires and become "perfect", resulting in ignorance which born from him misunderstood the idea of "mistake" as something unbeffiting for a perfect being thus stop his growth.
@@LordTyph I took that line to mean
"I don't know why your asking me. When it's obvious you already know what you did wrong"
As a Christian, I adored the underlying themes of this show. They were executed flawlessly
As a catholic, I adored the fact you said this without anyone needing to know that.
@@Concerned_Custodian It's a showing of authority and merit -- ideally, their religious status lends credence to their judgement of the work over someone who isn't as familiar with Christian themes.
Alas, most christians care not for their own teachings, and indeed act more like Marcus Pontius Pilatus' loyal centurions than anything close to the messiah, so it holds little ground.
@@Concerned_Custodian
_Adding to what Marx said:_
i.e. it's an appeal to ethos
If christians actually read their bibles, rome wouldn't have any believers.
@@Marx_D._Soul Man you must have been itching to get that out there. Here’s a much more fair interpretation of the original comment which doesn’t rely on cheap psychoanalysis and moral cynicism:
“As someone with x values, I appreciated how well they were expressed by this show.”
That’s it.
And @Overly Agressive Machine this is a UA-cam comment section, lol. People can post their reactions if they want to.
欲を切り捨てた本人は何も手に入れられず元に戻ったのに、切り離されたグリードはその強欲を満たしてくれるほどの仲間を手に入れて、満足して死んでいったというのが何かこう…ね？(貧弱語彙力)
わかる、、
お父様の声優である家弓家正さんの演技がめちゃくちゃ輝いてるんだよな。特にここの一人二役はすごい
名声優家弓家正さんの遺作でもある。素晴らしいです。
この動画の本当の本質って、
大御所声優・家弓家正さんが遺作となった「鋼の錬金術師」のクライマックスシーンにおいて素晴らしい演技を見せることで、
このシーンをより印象深いものにしたことにあると、私は考えています。
お父様と真理が向き合うシーンにおいて、
家弓さんがそのキャラクター性の違いをわずか3分足らずのシーンで見事に演じ切る。
大御所にしか任せられない仕事を最後の最後でやってのけることで、
「どうか、私の後に続く者が現れてほしい」と、若い声優さんたちにメッセージを送りたかったのかな、とも思ってみたり。
実際、スタッフ陣も「家弓さんならやってくれる」という確信があったからこそ、
このシーンを原作通りにはしなかったのでしょうし。
多くの後悔を残しながら真理の扉に閉じ込められていくお父様を演じながら、
家弓さんはこの作品をどんな風に振り返っていたのでしょうか。
悪役が涙を流して命乞いをする。同情を誘うよね、これは。欲っていうどんな人でも持っているものだからこそだと思う。これがハガレンの良さ
お父様自体も、そもそも人間の身勝手で誕生してしまったから被害者と言えば被害者よな
今までしてきた悪い行ないが
全部自分に返ってきてる感がある
浮気、不倫も然り。
等価交換の原則がここにも表れてる感じ
Sad how it took him so long to build this up, just for it to get destroyed in a short amount of time.
It stupidly because he allowed them all to plan against him. Hoihiem and Scares transmutation circles pretty much reserve everything. After that all they had to do is beat him like every other homunculus.
@@Shadothecat I think it goes deeper than just not planning. His blank gate hints at it: He didn't learn a thing. He had all this power, but no wisdom to apply it with finesse. Pretty much all his plans were accomplished through brute force, or the wiles of others. So when matched against humans who were both powerful and either wise, or willing to learn, it all fell apart with tremendous speed!
@@tanall5959 what i am saying is that the 5 sacrifices were allowed to roam free. Even after openly admitting they were going to stop him. His whole plan is pretty genius but it counted on the sacrifices just allowing him to open the earth transmutation gate and accepting his plan for them.
Kinda is sad in a way, really.
You can build the largest building, it may take 10 years, with the right equipment it can be destroyed in a matter of minutes.
I love that Truth takes on the form of everyone whoever they're speaking to. That really gives you the answer
結局何かを得るにはその代償を払わなければならない
それは努力であったり労働であったり自らの犠牲であったり
だが小人は結局は代償を何も払わず何も産まず何も得なかった
なのに神になろうと言うのだから
おこがましすぎたんだね
これまで自分が陥れてきた者たち
その者たちが幾度となく見せてきたであろうに
何かを得るには何かを払わなければいけないことを
最後の最後まで等価交換の原則があったということだ
働かざる者食うべからず
素晴らしい解釈
神になろうとした者が、生まれる前の虚無の世界に引き戻されるとは、まさに皮肉だな。
神に近ずきすぎた英雄は翼をもがれて落ちるってことか
イカロスみたい
@@名無し野郎-g4e そう！それ！
猫団子 やっぱりw
猫団子
その話って神ではなく太陽だった気がします…間違っていたらすいません
家弓家正さん、いい声優さんだったな御冥福を祈ります。
運昇さんもね。
藤原さんも逝ってしまわれた…
I never noticed before another youtuber pointed it out but Father's gate was totally blank the entire time
Everyone else had an intricate door that symbolized the knowledge they'd acquired through their lives.
Father took knowledge from everyone and everything he could find, but none of it was ever truly his.
Pretty nice touch!
Wow didn't thought about that. Nice catch
holy fckng sht yeah! I never noticed that, truth was probably "bitch, seriously?" the entire time, bc the little one in the flask was ALWAYS bragging about being the smartest one and getting knowledge throught life, but truth knows the truth... the truth about the fact that the dwarf literally doesn't know nothing and doesn't seems to want to learn nothing(I mean, that's literally what was said XD) the dwarf misunderstood what "learning" meant and kept getting what belong to others instead of trying to live himself, the dwarf doesn't know nothing and never will, yet he keeps asking to be given more time to learn
ここのやり取りは原作以上だよな。どれだけ感情を出しても自分の言動全てが自分に返ってくる。
「お前はその答えを見ていただろうに」
今見ても鳥肌立った！
「その答え」って一体何だったんだろう？
個人的にはホーエンハイムかと思ってるけど、
エドが錬金術を捨てた真理の扉の可能性も有り得るから分からない
誰か知ってる人いますか？
@@ソドム-b7t
恐らく彼自らが見下してた人間たちのことだと思います。
彼は「知ること」しか知らずそこから何も成してないが故に、知ることが全てなのだと勝手に思い上がり何かを成すための等価交換の原理から逸脱してしまいました。
つまり、何かを成すには「努力」が必要不可欠であるにもかかわらず、彼はその原動力あるいは本質である欲そのものを自ら手放してしまったんです。
それに対して人間は彼らの平和や自由のため日々奮闘し努力してました。
真理はそれを答えだと言ったんだと思います。
フラスコの中にいる時から、扉の前で何が起きてたかを逐一観てた。その時は他人事、扉の真の恐ろしさを自覚していた。
幻視と嘆きの扉の上に座って、法理の杖で見通している。
0:04
ホーエンハイムの奴隷時代の望みと一緒やったんやなって
"I wanted to learn everything!" -An Evil Dusty Bunny
"You ain't learned shit, ten thousand years in the cave of wonders ought to chill you out!" -One Smiley Boi
Bruh, this needs to be in an abridged version. XD
eternal years*
That about sums it up 😅
The interesting thing about the Dwarf is that I think he represents the human condition, we are small insignificant beings stuck on the restrictions of the matter, the body and the laws of the universe, our "flask". He wishing for knowledge and freedom is not wrong, and mirrors our struggle and angst living in a chaotic world with a fragile body without really knowing why we are here and where we are going, but just like us humans are capable of, he goes too far and in the end his foolishness came back to punish him. His story is summarized perfectly by Ed in the beggining when he tells Rose about the danger of getting too close to the sun, which is one of the main themes of the show
It reflected what he himself tried to do by resurrecting his mother,when he didn't know the consequences of law of equivalent exchange
@sailormoon-b6c in the sense that we are trapped in a fragile and limited body on a chaotic world that we have absolutely no control. Our essence can be divine, but our condition is limited
お父様がどうすればよかったのかの答えが、ホーエンハイムと同じ「人間として生きていく」っていうのがなぁ…
The great irony of the Dwarf in the Flask is that he commits terrible atrocities to "free" himself of his tether to the Void... unaware that his ignorance is exactly what gave him freedom in the first place.
From the very beginning, he has been digging his own grave, thinking he was looking for buried treasure.
He never wanted to learn, really. He just wanted to know, without learning.
この場面のあとのエドワードとの対比が見事な気がする。「力」を得て全てを失ったお父様（フラスコの中の小人 ホムンクルス）．「力」を捨て全てを得たエドワードみたいな．
The dwarf in the flask is life at its simple form. Non dual and no thing. He attached himself to the belief that everything was to be acquired through external means. He detached himself from his inner divinity by aspiring to achieve this thing called "God", a concept, which is how the show dabbles into Zen Buddhism. The dwarf thought by detaching himself from the seven deadly sins, he would be able to achieve perfection which is wrong.
Eloheim not everyone would agree with you on that, though which is sad of course because we would just end up becoming empty shells to be played with. So many people see the 7 deadly sins nothing but evil and must be destroyed if we are to achieve paradise or be acceptable by god even if it means destroying everything else we hold dear to us and so many people uses that to manipulate others into destroying themselves as well for someone else's gain. If God is a true father and merciful than he would want us to grow and learn instead making us lesser beings with little thought or care in the world we all make together.
@@jacobfoxall5633 the sins should be observed, understood, but never succumbed to.
Detaching them and in the way he went about it shows how he renounces parts of himself that are semi inherent while he himself is not a human…but still part of the whole. If he understood that and saw that truth for himself the god figure could have answered his question…the real question is if he saw it for *himself* would this whole conflict even exist?
@@TheJiminatorHS That is the only way to truly beat them, because as humans are inherently flawed, there is no way we can actually cut them out of ourselves lest we sacrifice our humanity entirely. It is an impssible task that even the Dwarf failed at due to how despite expunging the sins from himself, he still represented each sin to a tee but with none of the nuance or redeeming qualities the "sin" may bring. A bit of pride is just confidence, which is important and allows you to hold your own identity. A bit of envy can be seen as admiration and the desire to better oneself in order to meet the standards, etc. etc. His entire journey was completely and utterly pointless.
You need love to become a perfect being.
立場としては悪役でラスボスやけどフラスコの中の小人もそもそもクセルクセスの王の不老不死という欲望の為に生み出された存在である意味被害者。
今まで行ってきた事が酷すぎて忘れてたけど、このシーン見て可哀想と思わせる辺りホントこの作品は奥深いわ。
真理とその知恵の産物の不老不死を得るための人工知能とも見れるのか。
依頼主をやり込めるだけの知恵を持ち、力を得ながらも、造られた時の無力な状態への恐怖やその知恵からお膳立て通りに敷かれたレールを行き、最期はエネルギー切れで機能停止の末に消滅した。
他の分離したホムンクルス達を見ていただけに、もっと色々とかなぐり捨ててやりようはあったのにと思えてしまう。
真理がきちんと解答してくれるのに慈愛と絶望を感じる。同時に間違っていない質問には『答えない』。求めることは間違っていない。つまり、欲望は正しい。欲望を切り離したことは間違っていたと教えてくれている……。実際に切り離された欲望達こそが人生の意義を掴んでいたりするしね
「人が思い上がらないように…」ってセリフ、人を見下しながらも、憧れていたなら最後くらい人間として扱ってやるよっていう皮肉もありそう
錬金術は等価交換。１は１にしかならない。
しかし、人と人との交わり、絆、友情や愛というものは１を２や１０、１００に変えうる。
小人はそれを知らなかった。錬金術にすがり、最初から何一つ変わらなかった。
己の目の前で、１が１００になる『本物の錬金術』を見ていただろうに。
エドの声で再生余裕でした。
大人になったエドが子供たちにおとぎ話みたいに話してそう
ホントそれ、理解出来ない、理解しようとしない、下等生物が多すぎる。人を人として成すならそれはもう人ではない欠陥品だよ。
お前はその答えを見ていただろうに、の答えを見た気がした
L. K yea
@@ganchyy i agree
他のものに成ろうとしても自分以外のものにはなれないし、それ以上にもそれ以下にもなれない
自分にど正論言われるのどういう気持ちだろ
かける
人によれば無心→( ﾟдﾟ)
もしくは逆上して
殴り掛かるとかかな？
@@ポルポレクイエム
それを図星という
或いは傲慢
木本達矢 プライド「呼びましたか？」
Twitterとかで過去の自分のツイート掘り起こされて反論に使われる時と同じ気持ち
@@ポルポレクイエム
或いは真理。
或いは１。
そして私はおまえだ。
完全な存在など最初から存在しない。
故に欲し、願い、望み、知りたがる。
そしてそれ故に人間は幾度も発展と滅亡を続けてきた。
でも、それが人間。
先人の成したことを善し悪しの関係なく学び、
成長するのが人間。
目の前にいた存在たちが既に答えを示していた。
錬金術なんて望まなくても、自分の手で何かを作り、直し、壊して、また創る。命だって作れるのだから、これ以上望むなら自分で頑張ること。
借り物の力では神どころか人間もどきのホムンクルスにしかならない。
自分自身のことをちゃんと理解出来ていれば、本当にいろんなことが出来る。
勿論、一人で出来ることもあれば、何百人いても出来ないこともある。
故に、互いに協力しあうことで人は人の歴史にさえ遺る偉業、悪行、覇業を成し遂げていた。たった独りぼっちで歴史に名を刻んだ存在などいない。
ホムンクルスとてそれは同じ事。
ホーエンハイムと出会った頃から、どうすればよかったのか、既に幾度も答えを目の前に示されていたはずなのに。真理から目をそらし、思い上がったその傲慢さはその身を滅ぼすのみ。
最初から０でしか無くとも、積み重ねることで
一にも全にも出来るだけの時間が充分あったのにも関わらず。
家弓家正さんの情けない演技好き DODのヴェルドレとかも最高だった
ドラゴンボールのパラガス役もいいぞぉ！
世界樹の扉じゃなく、無印の扉なのな。
放送当時は気付かなかったわ。
細かいところまで書かれてて好感持てる。
寺西博
人によってデザインが全く違いますね
エドとアルも違います
博 寺西 ほんまや
博 寺西 アル達と違ってこいつは何も得られなかったんだな
虚しい一生だったな
なんか…もうスゲーな(語彙力)
完成度随一だからな
He wanted to become the perfect being, and perhaps he succeeded, look at how clean and uniform his door is
Until you realize the Door of Truth is marked with all your knowledge - he learned nothing, so... big L for trying to learn everything :V
Though Edgelord is quite right that that's what that means, that Father never actually _learned_ anything for himself in all his years of life, your point made me think of an interesting way of thinking about this that still fits with what you said.
Father essentially seemed to think that "perfection" meant "free of the desires that corrupt oneself" essentially "pure" in some sense. Father thinks that desiring things, and being human in the sense we often use it, being fallible and to be influenced by our wants and our environment, are bad, and corrupt us. That is true, but Father's door being blank also demonstrates the problem with wanting to be "pure" in that sense...you learn nothing because you _want_ nothing strongly enough, and have no depth as a person, and thus in a sense are "blank", just like Father's door.
I've noticed that sense of "blankness" or lack of personality, happens with people who surrender their individuality, like cult members. In Father's case, he did it _to himself_ by literally _removing_ the things that made him more of a complete individual. Arguably, he still _had_ all those sins judging by his actions and a few moments of his expressions, but he removed the parts of them that made a significant impact on his personality, and without that...he's just a shadow of what he used to be, and at the end, since he didn't learn anything, his doors had nothing to display at all. His soul utterly vacant of any distinguishing appearance beyond that exact _lack_ of it. Father wanted to be better than everything, even God, and yet at the end of the day, he was little better than nothing at all...
When you try to learn 'everything' you really are learning 'nothing' because only 'everything' can be sacrificed for 'everything' and when you sacrifice everything you are left with 'nothing'.
お父様全く知らない層から、ミニオンみたいでかわいいと好評で草
え笑
うそやろwww
仕出かした事の内容とえげつなさを知れば皆ドン引き
めっちゃわかる！かわいい！
弟*__*兄 セリフは違うけどそうは思ってたやろうな
強欲（グリード）だけは切り捨てれなかったパッパ
全てを手に入れたい知りたいっていう思いが先走りすぎて最後には何もかかれてない扉の中に閉じ込められる＝何も手に入れられなかったってのが酷い皮肉で好き
自分の感情を切り離し心の痛みがないから他人を沢山傷つけてそれの因果応報で倒される哀れで空虚な存在なんだなって改めて思った
I like how this series gets classical Western philosophy so much better than any modern work. It makes me curious to know if Hiromu Arakawa has read Aristotle or Boethius.
For anyone curious, the answer to the little on in the flask is spelled very clearly at the end of chapter 4 of the Consolation of Philosophy by Boethius, and elaborated in chapter 5.
We should remember Psalm 131 too, I guess.
Ironically, the Japanese show my respect to the customs of Americans than Americans do to most entertainment mediums today.
@@irvinmorales1409 for real
Hiromu Arakawa is known to love reading so maybe she did read those.
filho
She definitely did her research on alchemy, so I wouldn’t doubt it
this anime changes me from the first time i watch it when i was 13years old till this day.. it teaches me to be more responsible with my action more than how responsibility teaching in my school back then..
なんというか耳が痛いというか
深く考えさせられるな。
お前が己を信じないからだ、
お前自身が成長しておらん、
なんかこのセリフ刺さるなあ......
耳が痛く感じるなら、それは「伸び代」って呼ぶんやで。
Reading through this comment section sparks so much joy on a philosophy-loving person like me. Just so many people able to grasp what the moment means, what the lines lead to, the meaning, the fitting punishment, and even beyond the scene. Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood is an anime, a life lesson, and a lesson about our world and the people in it.
I did not understand a damn thing wtf is going on
@@moosesues8887 What didn't you understand? Maybe I can help
@@fappgodmaster1050 nah about the show like I haven’t seen it yet and these comments confusing as ell
@@moosesues8887 then go watch it and try to understand ig? ofc you'll not understand what people are talking about in this comment section without watching the show and know te context of this scene.
Plus FMAB is a great show so I recommend watching it regardless
@@mayounez7242 no way in ell someone like me is finishing that anytime soon like it took me a whole year to get thru one piece
Truth is what gives proper despair as to keep us from being boastful.
DAMN WHAT A TAKE AWAY.
I love how the Dwarf's gate is blank; as in pursuit of godhood he slaughtered millions, existed for millennia, held a sun in his hand, and lost everything all while learning nothing.
小さい頃たまたまテレビを付けたらこのシーンで、子供ながらに最期の叫びが無性に怖くてトラウマになったな…
その答えを持っている人間を集めた末の思い上がった行動ってのがまた
The moral of the story is that humans learn from theirs experiences and mistakes. Something that Father never did.
原作にない台詞ばかりで嬉しい。もっと等価交換が大前提にあるのがわかる。
元々真理の扉の中に居て全てを知りたかったは皮肉過ぎて草
可愛らしいおてて❤️
草生える
どの手が可愛らしいんですか
風野シュウ いや、いっぱいありすぎてw
いやだわ～wwwあれに捕まえられるのw
エンヴィーも可愛らしいおてて💚
ホーエンハイムが奴隷だった頃の野望と願望が力を得て暴走した感じだよね
お父様って賢者の石の塊だったのに「真理」の前に来たこともなかったのが意外だった
てっきり「真理」と仲良しかと予想してたから最後に引導を渡されるのが悲しかった
元々真理の扉の中から現れたって感じするから戻ってきたら扉の中に引き込まれる可能性も考えたとか？
真理の扉の一部が切り離された存在→賢者の石の力で肉体を得るって感じ
I truly do hate the Dwarf in the Flask, but even a character like him I cannot help feeling bad for. I even feel bad for Envy. Such a hardcore psychopath but his cries and humiliation are just TRAGiC. This show INTENDS to make us watchers feel bad for characters who should NEVER BE FORGIVEN. Is there anyone else who feels bad for the Dwarf in the Flask besides me?
@@Helmut-Von-Liechtenstein ,I agree with you.
No not really, I relished in the suffering of both the Dwarf and Envy. I honestly believe terrible people should have terrible things done to them and I usually wish I was the one to inflict these terrible things upon them. I'm not a good person but sometimes there is a need for necessary evil
@@ThisisKyle Is “necessary evil” really necessary? Revenge doesn’t make their past sins go away, it just makes you as bad of a person as them. The end doesn’t always justify the means.
I agree. I truly felt bad for him. All his actions only took him away from what he wanted. His pledge made my heart ache , even though he is an unforgivable person.
He's more of a Sociopath, not a psychopath, He did in the end have emotons.
私は…お前達が世界と呼ぶ存在、あるいは宇宙、あるいは神、あるいは真理、あるいは全、あるいは１
そして私はお前だ
ROXAS東方キングダムハーツ 全じゃないっすか?
"I wanted to be the perfect being - Kami, what is wrong with that?"
But no answer given - it is never wrong to improve yourself, but how you achieve it matters ... Repeated genocides might be a little bit too much
Jovani O All he had to do, was learn how to accept what he has, the truth was to never become better than humans.....because he lost himself, there was no other ending for him.
Truth doesn't really care about the mass genocides, it's just that dwarf didn't use his own power/knowledge to chase his dreams
The idea isn’t wrong... but when ur using others, which dictates selfishness will destroy you. Look at the end battle, he has NOTHING, he have basically the entire world trying to destroy him. That is sad
Jesus is the truth. Hes coming soon.. repent
@@Gabriell21-h8b Implying that god exists. But here is the problem: we simply cannot know this.
丸くてちっちゃいのがプリプリしててかわいい
The irony is that the Homunculus wanted to become "One" with "God". His endgame was to do so, with himself in control. In defeat, his fate was to become "One" with "God", but as an infinitesimally small portion of the greater being. So he gets what he wanted, but not in the way he had planned.
Poetic he still joined with God in the end . But lost his independence , just like he was in the flask.
Whenever people talk about the show, they always talk about it's amazing animation, awasome fight scenes, great world building, non-traditional shonen storyline, great protagonist, side characters & well written antagonists and a good ending but they just forget how philosophical & metaphorical story it actually is.
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