update post The Final Shape: for security, i highly recommend Bastion, as it 3 bursts without buff. also good for titans and hunters for the melee bonuses. for Atraks, **hunters should use Star-Eater Blade Barrage, not Celestial** this is because the animation of shooting, swapping out of/in to your Golden Gun is long asf. Titans should use Star-Eater Twilight Arsenal, and warlocks Star-Eater nova bomb. be sure to have a weaken grenade, always Parasite THEN super. can’t recommend much for descent (haven’t run it a lot) that’s abt it, other than try to use Felwinter’s Helm to debuff final boss (this is coming from someone that hasn’t trioed, but have seen a lot of ppl do it/done a lot of 6 man DSC)
I attempted this with a teacher and another guy last night, and it was my first time ever running DSC all together let alone 3 man so it was really challenging! Our third had to leave after 3 attempts of the final encounter so we didn't finish it yet but I definitely like the idea and the little exploits we used to make it doable. I think the final encounter is gonna be a real struggle for me though. I've been enlisted as the scanner and I just wasn't quick enough on calling out the boxes each time and then I wasn't getting enough damage in the engines either it got a bit messy! But I appreciate the video a lot as hopefully on our second attempt I get it right this time 🤘
just used this for descent and cleared the encounter on our 4th attempt, worked like a charm. One thing to add, is we had the suppressor start on the opposite side of their assigned bomb so they'd be closer we also...almost forgot about the escape afterwards...which would have been a bummer. (edit 2 weeks later) we finally cleared taniks, you weren't kidding when you said it was the hardest fight, we could reliably get to him with what we learned here in about 40 minutes, but that fight is an absolute beast, there is so little room for error. BUT WE DID IT! now on to much harder 3 mans. Thanks again for the guides!
absolutely fantastic guide! tons of actually useful information and zero ego, please keep up the great work. best of luck to you and your team in future lowman efforts < 3
We did the first encounter with the glass floors differently though, we had our teacher upstairs doing dps the entire time, and we used the sword exploit to get into the room at the very start of the encounter without the room killing us! Finished the encounter in about 60 seconds!
not being able to swap buffs makes it so much harder, it's not horrible once you get the rhythm down, but it was a huge roadblock for us, a 4th would have made a huge difference.
Thanks for the awesome guide! Me and my friends have just started low-man raids and we recently finished Crota. It’d be rlly cool if u could make a low man guide for Vow as that seems to be the biggest challenge for us.
Thank you! And yeah that’s one of the next ones I want to do. It’s between that and garden of salvation. My team just needs to learn them which will take time, but as soon as we do I’m making the guides :)
Good video! Just two small nitpicky things that I would like to mention. 1st, on atraks I would recommend swapping to lament after the first damage phase as it will do significantly more damage than a zero stack parasite. As long as you rally with reserves you'll have more than enough ammo after the swap. 2nd, on taniks, movement exotics (Dunemarchers/Transversives) don't actually increase your speed when you're holding a core. This is because when you are holding a core you are not able to sprint and those exotics, as you mentioned in the video, only improve your sprint speed. What scanner can do instead is run tractor cannon and hit the boss without right before grabbing their core, this will give them a short but significant movement speed buff before they get detained.
Thanks! And funnily enough both of your points were thing I chose to omit for better or worse! We actually did what your first point says and switched to lament for our first few runs of Atraks. However after we had done it a couple times we felt it wasn’t necessary at all and provided a minimal boost compared to parasite. Not switching also gave us more ammo to speed through the jumping puzzle. For your second point, while movement exotics do not increase speed with bombs, it can still help. As you pick up a bomb and run forwards, before it fully registers, you are still sprinting for a second or so, which is boosted. Additionally, transverses and other movement exotics can help you get from the bank to the newly dropped bomb faster which, while unlikely, could help every once in a while. It’s not a massive boost but there isn’t really anything necessary to run for setup, so I figured it’s better safe than sorry. We also tried tractor but it didn’t help too much. With 10 Mobil and transversives our scanner could consistently bank their bomb. Actually, sometimes with tractor the scanner was too fast and made it out of the operators line of sight! We really just didn’t find it necessary in the slightest, and without tractor we were able to do a good deal more damage. Both of those points are good, we just didn’t really find them necessary to do and we felt like it was took more effort than it was worth. Thanks again for the feedback!
we used grand overture instead of parasite, the upstairs group can easily recharge it shooting the panels after disposing of bombs, and have a full volley ready by the time the scanner gets back upstairs. Our scanner also used star eater scales so they had a strong super ready for the second trip downstairs, that way they didn't have to rely on parasite more than once. Our dps wasn't top notch, but we got her to final stand after 5 clones with minimal trouble.
@@imawesome25Had to come back and drop a sub because this vid got me my first low man! We had no issues until the final encounter. We optimized our dps for our second go and got an easy 2 phase. Vog Next!
@@LiberalAvenger Wow actually? That’s awesome to hear! And good luck on Vog! I felt it was quite a bit easier than DSC so if you got this one down Vog should be no problem
@@caveman2480 I believe you are correct, but I usually run them just in case. It never hurts to have more damage even against adds, and there’s nothing I really need for boots. You could definitely run scavs and orb mods on your boots but I personally like surges more. Good catch though!
It’s definitely still possible albeit harder. Main thing is you unfortunately have to match surges, you should only be doing like 10% less damage then last season of you do. Also survivability will be a fair bit harder, but DSC ads don’t hit that hard so that shouldn’t be a problem. Basically, it’s still possible, you just have to play better and match surges. Hopefully they revert it cause it really sucks for low man’s
That means a lot to hear! And it will likely be Garden of Salvation, but it could be Vow of the Disciple. Really just depends on which raid my team can learn first haha
update post The Final Shape:
for security, i highly recommend Bastion, as it 3 bursts without buff. also good for titans and hunters for the melee bonuses.
for Atraks, **hunters should use Star-Eater Blade Barrage, not Celestial**
this is because the animation of shooting, swapping out of/in to your Golden Gun is long asf.
Titans should use Star-Eater Twilight Arsenal, and warlocks Star-Eater nova bomb. be sure to have a weaken grenade, always Parasite THEN super.
can’t recommend much for descent (haven’t run it a lot)
that’s abt it, other than try to use Felwinter’s Helm to debuff final boss
(this is coming from someone that hasn’t trioed, but have seen a lot of ppl do it/done a lot of 6 man DSC)
Thanks! Haven’t had much of a chance to run this since Final Shape so this is much appreciated!
I attempted this with a teacher and another guy last night, and it was my first time ever running DSC all together let alone 3 man so it was really challenging! Our third had to leave after 3 attempts of the final encounter so we didn't finish it yet but I definitely like the idea and the little exploits we used to make it doable. I think the final encounter is gonna be a real struggle for me though. I've been enlisted as the scanner and I just wasn't quick enough on calling out the boxes each time and then I wasn't getting enough damage in the engines either it got a bit messy! But I appreciate the video a lot as hopefully on our second attempt I get it right this time 🤘
@@sj_milk_ that’s great to hear! Good luck and hope you get the completion!
just used this for descent and cleared the encounter on our 4th attempt, worked like a charm. One thing to add, is we had the suppressor start on the opposite side of their assigned bomb so they'd be closer
we also...almost forgot about the escape afterwards...which would have been a bummer.
(edit 2 weeks later) we finally cleared taniks, you weren't kidding when you said it was the hardest fight, we could reliably get to him with what we learned here in about 40 minutes, but that fight is an absolute beast, there is so little room for error. BUT WE DID IT! now on to much harder 3 mans. Thanks again for the guides!
That’s amazing to hear!! Congratulations! Glad I could help :)
absolutely fantastic guide! tons of actually useful information and zero ego, please keep up the great work. best of luck to you and your team in future lowman efforts < 3
Thank you!! I’m super glad you found it useful :)
We did the first encounter with the glass floors differently though, we had our teacher upstairs doing dps the entire time, and we used the sword exploit to get into the room at the very start of the encounter without the room killing us! Finished the encounter in about 60 seconds!
@@sj_milk_ sounds useful, I’ll have to try it sometime!
I joined a random DSC lfg and we proceeded to 4 man it. 3 man looks like a solid challenge.
Oh yeah it definitely is, but I found it super fun. Improving and getting the encounters down consistently is what kept me coming back!
not being able to swap buffs makes it so much harder, it's not horrible once you get the rhythm down, but it was a huge roadblock for us, a 4th would have made a huge difference.
Thanks for the awesome guide! Me and my friends have just started low-man raids and we recently finished Crota. It’d be rlly cool if u could make a low man guide for Vow as that seems to be the biggest challenge for us.
Thank you! And yeah that’s one of the next ones I want to do. It’s between that and garden of salvation. My team just needs to learn them which will take time, but as soon as we do I’m making the guides :)
Good video! Just two small nitpicky things that I would like to mention. 1st, on atraks I would recommend swapping to lament after the first damage phase as it will do significantly more damage than a zero stack parasite. As long as you rally with reserves you'll have more than enough ammo after the swap. 2nd, on taniks, movement exotics (Dunemarchers/Transversives) don't actually increase your speed when you're holding a core. This is because when you are holding a core you are not able to sprint and those exotics, as you mentioned in the video, only improve your sprint speed. What scanner can do instead is run tractor cannon and hit the boss without right before grabbing their core, this will give them a short but significant movement speed buff before they get detained.
Thanks! And funnily enough both of your points were thing I chose to omit for better or worse! We actually did what your first point says and switched to lament for our first few runs of Atraks. However after we had done it a couple times we felt it wasn’t necessary at all and provided a minimal boost compared to parasite. Not switching also gave us more ammo to speed through the jumping puzzle. For your second point, while movement exotics do not increase speed with bombs, it can still help. As you pick up a bomb and run forwards, before it fully registers, you are still sprinting for a second or so, which is boosted. Additionally, transverses and other movement exotics can help you get from the bank to the newly dropped bomb faster which, while unlikely, could help every once in a while. It’s not a massive boost but there isn’t really anything necessary to run for setup, so I figured it’s better safe than sorry. We also tried tractor but it didn’t help too much. With 10 Mobil and transversives our scanner could consistently bank their bomb. Actually, sometimes with tractor the scanner was too fast and made it out of the operators line of sight! We really just didn’t find it necessary in the slightest, and without tractor we were able to do a good deal more damage. Both of those points are good, we just didn’t really find them necessary to do and we felt like it was took more effort than it was worth. Thanks again for the feedback!
we used grand overture instead of parasite, the upstairs group can easily recharge it shooting the panels after disposing of bombs, and have a full volley ready by the time the scanner gets back upstairs. Our scanner also used star eater scales so they had a strong super ready for the second trip downstairs, that way they didn't have to rely on parasite more than once.
Our dps wasn't top notch, but we got her to final stand after 5 clones with minimal trouble.
Great guide. I’m gonna try it soon.
Thanks, good luck!
@@imawesome25Had to come back and drop a sub because this vid got me my first low man! We had no issues until the final encounter. We optimized our dps for our second go and got an easy 2 phase. Vog Next!
@@LiberalAvenger Wow actually? That’s awesome to hear! And good luck on Vog! I felt it was quite a bit easier than DSC so if you got this one down Vog should be no problem
Yes I needed this
Perfect haha hope it helps :)
Fantastic video! I've got 2 people I'm going to be bugging very soon now....
Good luck, you got it!
I could be wrong but i dont think surges work on atrax
@@caveman2480 I believe you are correct, but I usually run them just in case. It never hurts to have more damage even against adds, and there’s nothing I really need for boots. You could definitely run scavs and orb mods on your boots but I personally like surges more. Good catch though!
Is this still possible with the changes to dungeon/raid power levels in TFS?
It’s definitely still possible albeit harder. Main thing is you unfortunately have to match surges, you should only be doing like 10% less damage then last season of you do. Also survivability will be a fair bit harder, but DSC ads don’t hit that hard so that shouldn’t be a problem. Basically, it’s still possible, you just have to play better and match surges. Hopefully they revert it cause it really sucks for low man’s
Well never mind, raid and dungeon surges are now being removed per the most recent Twab. It should be about as hard as it was last season now!
@@imawesome25 I just finished reading that! thanks for the follow up!
@@riskmoranis2911 yeah no problem!
No stop they’re going to ask me and it’s going to take FOREVER
Haha believe me it takes a while but it’s super worth it
Really great and informative video. Thanks so much.
What raid will you make a guide on next? :)
That means a lot to hear! And it will likely be Garden of Salvation, but it could be Vow of the Disciple. Really just depends on which raid my team can learn first haha
@@imawesome25 I'll be here when you post! Good luck out there.