Denominational Gatekeeping
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In this video we discuss reasons that people in different denominational families may claim that other denominations don't rightfully deserve to have the title. They may say that Pietists aren't Lutherans, Reformed Baptists aren't Reformed, and the ACNA isn't Anglican, for example.
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Screwtape Letters is one of those books you really have to have all the detail - or you will miss the comedy value.
A Blink of Screwtape Letters would be like saying the Movie Titanic is about a boat that sinks. Ok, technically true, but it's not the story.
On one hand I’m uneasy with gatekeeping, but on the other I realise that words have meanings. An atheist claiming to be a Christian clearly isn’t a a Christian.
ironically some atheists follow Jesus's message better than some self proclaimed Christians.
@@v.sandrone4268 yes, i totally agree with that. But people are Christian by faith, not by their actions. (Although actions are important and can help demonstrate that someone has faith)
The one good thing I've ever heard Christians say about the Unitarian Universalist Association is that they don't claim to be Christian.
@@v.sandrone4268 Even genuine Christians can do bad things or be indoctrinated by those with nefarious intentions that teaches bad things. At the end of the day, we're all people. People are inherently predisposed to bad behavior, even people who don't think they're capable of something bad in the right circumstances prove themselves wrong. That is exactly why we need Jesus. It's not just about His teachings, it's about how we're all terrible and are in need of a Savior. Jesus' righteousness given to us through faith.
A fun bit of Anglican trivia for you, the Anglican Catholic Church was originally call the Anglican Church in North America, when they started in 1976. The name was quickly changed and there was a schism early on. The current ACNA that was formed around 2003 is unrelated to the ACC and is the second church to use this name.
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Sponsorship? Yes. But from such a source? You might as well be sponsored by Reader's Digest. Makes one wonder about the depth of the research behind your own presentations.
It is crucial to note that the TULIP acronym does not specify the totality of Reformed doctrine but rather doctrinal distinctives. Reformed churches share the core beliefs of other traditional churches: the Trinity; the deity of Christ; the authority of Scripture; the virgin birth, perfect life, atoning death, resurrection, and ascension of Jesus Christ; and the necessity of turning from sin and belief in Jesus as Lord for salvation and eternal life.
So many churches and so many denominations, but each is unique to it's self. Your channel helps me know what I'm walking into when I visit a new church or talk with someone about their church. Thank you for your clear and concise detailing of these differences. God bless
Translation might also cause confusion: in the Netherlands we have the 'gereformeerde' and the 'hervormde' church, both of which usually gets translated to 'reformed'
What is then the difference?
Thanks for your videos.
My own background Louisiana Cajun French. For someone my age that means we were Roman Catholic. However, my parents left Catholicism for Baptist churches, when I was seven. We moved around a lot and we attended a number of different Baptist churches - Reformed, Independent and Southern. As a young man in the Navy I occasionally attended charismatic churches, Calvary Chapel, and Evangelical Methodist churches.
Since then I’ve slowly migrated toward Reformed and Presbyterian ideas in theology. I have also migrated back toward a more liturgical form of worship within the Reformed world.
So, with that diverse background, and have visited many more denominations simply to experience their form of worship, Lutheran, Orthodox, Church of Christ, oneness Pentecostals, etc… I’ve also attended worship at a Jewish synagogue.
With all that I can say I appreciate your videos. I know there is no neutrality, but I greatly respect your attempts to present these groups, denomination, communion fairly and accurately.
Your channel is a great resources. Thanks.
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Quick correction: As far as I'm aware, of the churches in the Eastern Orthodox Communion, only the Finnish Orthodox Church and the Estonian Apostolic Orthodox Church use the Gregorian Calendar. The other Churches adopted the Revised Julian Calendar with its own unique leap year system (not gonna attempt to explain it). Practically speaking, they are the same, but there will be divergence at some point. The dates between the two calendars will align until February 29, 2800 on the Gregorian calendar when it is a leap day, but the Revised Julian will not have a leap day. The math, apparently, works out so the the Revised Julian is more accurate than the Gregorian calendar, but the difference is so slight the effective difference between the two will be negligible.
You are correct about the Churches like Greece, Constantinople, and Serbia being on the Revised Julian Calendar. Moscow and Georgia still operate on the Julian Calendar
there is also a subsect in America called the genuine orthodox church of america that go by the old calander
@@crbgo9854 they’re usually Greek & they’re Schismatics
@@danfsteeple What do you mean by 'usually Greek'?
@@TheLincolnrailsplitt the Genuine (or True) Orthodox Church is a schismatic Old Calendarist Church that split from the Ecumenical Patriarchate
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Thank you for the constant high quality content dear brother. God bless you!
Another topic worth looking into along the same lines is the Latin Rite and SSPX
The funny thing is that "Eastern" and "Oriental" are semantically equivalent. They both mean eastern in relation to Europe (i.e. from where the sun rises). To us on the west coast of North America what is oriental in Europe is technically occidental (i.e. the place where the sun sets). Isn't the English language fun?
Well... English didn't develop in America. The word "English" indicates England. :-)
I often think about this. One of these days I'd like to go East to the West coast.
@@thomasc9036 "English" is related to the #Angles from Germany.
@@aclark903 Only from the name but the language is completely morphed into something else. Many of the modern standard terminologies like oriental, longitude, measuring systems, Middle-East, East, etc. are inherited from the British Empire's dominance in power and influences.
@@aclark903 You can go east as well...just takes much much longer. 🙂
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Well said. As a non-christian outsider looking in, I often found these distinctions that groups make confusing. I appreciate your ability to make clear and distinct the commonalities and differences. Even then I am constantly asking, "how is that a difference?" and "why does it mater?". I would like some discussion made answering those questions. As an insider, your perspective does mater and is valid. Once we understand each other then a true conversation can be had. Thank you for your efforts!
if you don't mind me asking i've seen several non christians who follow ready to harvest's videos before and I was wondering what draws them to the channel given it's interest in Christianity and denominations
@@DavidLee-id3lf
Curiosity. Also a need to know. We deal with Christians of different sorts daily. Understanding how the different Christian groups think is very useful.
I think that might be difficult because in many cases the answer to 'why is that even a problem' is that some people have decided it is (while others think it is not).
Kinda like how some people think capitalism and socialism should try to find common ground, whereas others hold onto the idea that their own side is right and the other side is confused and needs to be guided back to the truth.
It's fascinating to see why some of these things matter. For instance, the Orthodox calendar controversy comes down to two points. First, the Council of Nicaea used the Julian calendar to determine the best date for Easter, which some Orthodox churches take as an official endorsement of that calendar as part of the Christian tradition. The Nicene council is famous for settling the controversy between Trinitarians and Arians, so the question becomes this: if the council's ruling on Christ's divinity is authoritative and indisputable, then why would its ruling on the calendar be any less authoritative and indisputable?
Second, the calendar we currently use in the West is the Gregorian calendar, named after a Roman Catholic pope. This pope reformed the calendar after Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism had already split and broken communion with each other. Ergo, that calendar has no authority over Orthodoxy, and to adopt it means to follow the guidance of a pope over the guidance of the Council of Nicaea. Some Orthodox priests and bishops see this move as an endorsement of Roman Catholic beliefs in general: "If we say that Pope Gregory was right about this, then do we have to consider that Catholics might be right about other things that we don't believe?" It rings to them as dangerous ecumenism that could erode the true faith.
Of course, to an outsider, it looks like much ado about nothing. Surely a calendar is not one of Christianity's core doctrines. However, if you're going to have holy days, you have to have a calendar. And if you're going to have a calendar, you have to know which calendar you're using. So the choice of a calendar does have a real, practical impact. If we can't agree when to hold Easter, how can we celebrate Easter together? (Compare that to, say, two old high school buddies enrolled in different colleges who want to go on a trip during spring break. If their respective universities observe spring break on different weeks, that trip isn't happening, no matter how much the two friends want to be together otherwise.)
@@DavidLee-id3lf Most likely his recent collaboration with Useful Charts bringing people who are looking for more detail.
Reading a summery of the screwtape letters is a real shame, it's not long and all of it is clever and helpful
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You are getting close to the 100k subscription mark! I'm glad to see the growth of the channel.
My favorite and hardest hitting is "The great divorce"
This is a book I read every year to help remind me of what's to come.
Have you considered a video on the differences of Covenant Theology vs. Dispensational Theology?
I thought they were only using different terms to describe the same thing until I heard the two camps were at odds with each other and I don’t understand why.
It's important to understand that there are many dispensational theologies. Original John Darby's dispensationalism is considered heresy by many. All current dispensation theologies are heavily modified with some dispensationalism elements in them. Below are some links that explain them pretty well. Of course, I linked videos from both sides although I am from the Covenant Theology side.
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ua-cam.com/video/k6UtiIFOHYU/v-deo.html
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As far as I understand it, the idea behind covenant theology is that new theology is introduced to mankind at each point of "covenant" listed in the bible, typically I think something like the ones with Abraham, Moses, Jesus, or with Adam included. Dispensationalism is related to the "cultural context" argument that some theologians use. Essentially, it says that whenever theology was delivered to people, it was done so at level to which they could comprehend and accept, given their time and culture etc. So, one is theology updates determined by covenant, and the other is theology updates determined by how advanced people are at a given time.
@@grantdillon3420 Your description of Covenant Theology is not correct. Also, how you are describing Dispensationalism is more of a modern revisionist justification.
Covenant Theology is an overall theme of God interacting with His creation. Before the Fall, God made the Covenant of Works with Adam. After the Fall, God made the Covenant of Grace. Covenants with Noah, Abraham, Jacob, Moses, and David are examples of how God reminded His people of his Covenant of Grace. CT remains unchanged.
Dispensationalism by Darby did not have the "cultural context" as you described. Some would call Dispensationalism a heresy in its original form. Many changes have been made to fit into a more acceptable. The number of dispensations has mostly been reduced to 3 to 4 with additional changes to the understanding. The "cultural context" isn't quite how I would describe it. It should be more like the "cultural progression". This justification of the theory was later formulated by Dallas Theological Seminary who modified the theory quite a bit.
Dispensationalism is another fruit of the 19th century millenniall movement, that includes other hits such as Mormonism, Watchtower, and the SDA.
Your videos make my Sundays so much bettter!
The best way to tell what type of denomination a church is would be to look at the doctrines they ascribe to and the programs they host, just those two factors have helped me find a good church that ascribes to the doctrines I agree with.
Joshua does compare denominations by doctrine where they are prepared to be clear. But which doctrines are true? Answer none!
My latest Ytube video 'Is Abraham the father of Christians, Jews or Muslims? #26 Myths in so-called Christianity', finds none of the above follow the Torah given to Abraham, they have Grace, Moses or Sharia.
It so happens 'officially' I am CofE or Anglican which invited me as a child in the Sixties to read my KJV and follow the NT. Oddly enough that is what I did.
❤ Definitely do your research and ask questions
@@pinkroses135 Thank you for the encouragement.
Of course the truth is not welcome by the vested and invested interests, not for us to find an agreeable church, but the one that has the religion of Abraham and the hope of eternity.
Dude you are pretty straight up. Thank you!! I'm Eastern Orthodox Antiochian and I work with more than a few or in Orthodox Church Eritrean, Ethiopian, Indian, Coptic etc. And they are all tremendous... And no, I don't hear any crazy malarkey theology in the Oriental churches at all!
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In Ukraine there is also the Ukrainian Catholic Church which is in union with the Holy See, but uses almost identical liturgy to the orthodox church - it also has churches in Australia, New Zealand, Russia the USA and other countries. It is one of the 20 Eastern Catholic rites and is mainly found in areas formerly part of Poland, Lithuania or the Austro-Hungarian Empire.
One of my stepmother's ancestors/relatives was an Eastern Catholic priest in Hungary, if memory serves. I didn't know such a thing existed until I was in my 20s and we were having a conversation about the family tree with my (step)grandmother.
A nice summary of the issue of the title "reformed." The only other point that might be made is that the P&R claim that pedobaptism flows from their covenantal view, but you got the big rocks. Good work!
Pedobaptist is such an unfortunate turn of phrase
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I work within a large Mennonite organization. We are seeing a lot of things within liberal Anabaptism like what you’re talking about. Just recently I heard of a conference in MCUSA giving a pastor permission to baptize infants. Strange indeed!
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I find your research on the ACNA fascinating since I am actively pursuing that route after being disenfranchised with the Episcopal church after 25 years of heavy involvement. It seems like a good path so far with other that have had similar experiences with the Anglicans associated with the archbishop of catabury or the north American Episcopal church.
As a recent migrant from the LCMS to the ACNA, in a congregation with many who have come out of the Episcopal church, I wish you well in pursuing that path!
@Hannah Baker May God be with you Hannah.... thank you. See you on the "other side."
"Pietists aren't Lutherans" is such a goofy, unnuanced take.
For an entire century in Europe, Pietism WAS Lutheranism, in the same way that Scholasticism WAS Lutheranism. It is a legitimate school of interpretive thought within the theological tradition. We can weigh the merit of any number of schools, but we can not say they weren't part of the tradition, lest we unchurch a whole number of our predecessors.
It's similar to Anglicanism. You can argue that Puritans aren't Anglican, and it's fair for you to do so, but it's just as reasonable to make the case that Puritanism is one moment in Anglican history next to all the others (Cranmerian reformed-Catholic, Laudian High Church, 18th century Evangelical, neo-Henrician/Anglo-Catholic, 20th century Liberal Mainline, orthodox/confessional Anglican, etc etc). Each movement is baked into the cake of what we now call "Anglicanism" and we can't easily separate one influence from the others.
"Evangelical Catholic," you are exactly the type of person the Confessions are meant to exclude. You like to blur the terms "Evangelical" and "Catholic." You consider yourself "High-Church," "pietist," and "ecumenical." Arthur Carl Piepkorn's disciples have largely migrated to the ELCA because they don't want to be constrained by the Lutheran Confessions.
The idea that lack of communion with the Archbishop of Cantebury prevents you from being truly Anglican was always a silly argument to level against ACNA, and it's only gotten sillier with that bishop's most recent theological stances.
However, there are other arguments which can be brought against ACNA (or at least parts of it) being Anglican. The ACNA churches in my area are largely staffed by people who, based on their teachings, appear to have come from a non-denominational background, and they never really left that theology behind. One congregation refused to baptize infants, and it refused to use the ACNA catechism. Eventually that group left ACNA and officially became non-denominational. Another congregation had a minister deliver a sermon where he claimed that he and his wife had given away all of their money to charity, supposedly because God had told them to do so. Happily for them, more money came pouring in miraculously so that they now have more money than before. He finished his sermon with feeble attempts to explain why it was that, despite all appearances, he hadn't just delivered a prosperity gospel sermon. While I would have no problem saying that ACNA overall really is Anglican, I would also say that there are parts of it which definitely do not deserve that title.
This kind of thing is a real problem in the ACNA. Not enough bishops who know how to bish.
I wouldn't necessarily argue that a lack of enforcement of doctrine from the organization makes the organization itself belong less to the denomination it aspires to, as long as they officially hold the stances of said doctrine.
As long as they don't endorse said offshoots it becomes more of an argument about organization rather than a theological schism imo.
To be fair (and I say this as an Episcopalian) a lot of our members came from other faith traditions. Lots of Catholics, Presbyterians, etc. I am an adult convert (my mother is Baptist and I never got around to being baptized until I was nearly 40, at the local Episcopal church), but I bring in a fair amount of vaguely Methodist and Presbyterian ideas instilled in me by my grandparents, as well as plenty of liberal ideas from the millennial milieu.
@@thecryingsoul I think the lack of enforcement point depends on if it's willing or through lack of ability.
Welby's willing refusal to properly discipline liberal provinces is a huge problem.
What area would that be?
I am a member of the ACNA. Please be assured I am Anglican. You may not consider Abp Beach to be Anglican, but many MILLIONS of Anglicans world-wide do! He is a wonderful, faithful, humble, and fearless leader and I am proud to call him my Archbishop. In the end, only what GOD thinks really matters - no denoms in heaven! Thank God!
I am CofE, I wish you guys were in Communion and not the TEC.
Would you ever cover the council of Florence? The temporary reunion of the Catholic and Orthodox churches, before it fell apart for some reason I don’t quite understand.
There was an interesting historical church, the Bosnian Church.
It fell apart because the laity and monastics did not accept the church hierarchy's decision at the council, specifically as it relates to accepting the filioque. This, it was not an Ecumenical Council, because the whole church did not accept it. There is definitely a lot more detail, so it might be cool to watch a video on that.
There was no union the Church never accepted it, neither the Bishops nor the laity.
Not requiring the clergy to believe the things they preach is ludicrous...
I can teach you what Nietzsche’s philosophy taught without being a Nietzschean, I can teach you about Islam without being a Muslim, what’s the problem?
@@WilliamofOckham990 The theology is important, but the relationship with God is more important. How well is a marriage counselor supposed to operate if he doesn't believe my fiance exists?
“Those who complain about gatekeeping are generally the ones who the gate was meant to keep out.” John Doyle
This can be true, and also not.
@@thomnull9759 yeah… but standards exist for a reason.
John Doyle is so lame, he’s basically just Matt Walsh with charisma
@@bernardoohigginsvevo2974 he’s Matt without the Jewish oversight 😂😇
Would love to see a video on the Hungarian Reformed, which is a Continental Reformed Church with episcopal polity!
Another great video
A video on the Community of Christ would be interesting for how its part of many of the same labelling problems. It's the 2nd largest denomination in the Latter-day Saint movement but embraces a far more theologically liberal stance on issues and holds to more common protestant beliefs compared to the larger LDS Church. Hard to know whether or not to even label them "Mormon"
I remember my history teacher in high school must have said 100 times: "The Holy Roman Empire was not holy, was not Roman, and was not an Empire".
Loved this video!
another excellent video.
This is a very common phenomenon in religion generally. There will always be groups (schismatic, mainstream or otherwise) which deny other similarly practicing groups theological recognition and validation. In Judaism, the Ultra-Orthodox (Hasidic or Haredi) do not consider the Conservative or Reform movements to be valid expressions of Judaism. Other Orthodox groups don't consider some Modern Orthodox Jews to be truly Orthodox. Religious exclusivity is, unfortunately, nothing new.
Great content! This is good to dismantle the sectarian mentality that many apologists seem to have exhibited towards the other Christians. Is Christ a monopoly of a certain Christian tradition? Definitely no.
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Can you do a video on Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX)? They have an interesting relationship with the Roman Catholic Church.
Fr. Zechariah Lynch is one of the most faithful voices in Orthodoxy in America. Awesome to see you quote him.
Re ACNA - the Anglican Communion is divided into geographical Provinces, each of which is autonomous but which are not supposed to intrude on the others for evangelism purposes. ACNA was set up to become a Province, and there is a means whereby this can happen, but ACNA have never asked to be accepted as a Province. Therefore, regardless of doctrinal purity or not, they are not part of the Anglican Communion, and theoretically not Anglican - or schismatic Anglicans.
Might have added a footnote to the unite rites of Orthodox believers who have reestablished ties with and come under the authority of the Roman Pontiff.
Fun fact: the Oriental Orthodox were the first to be called Orthodox, while the Eastern Orthodox still called themselves Catholic.
both catholics and oriental and eastern orthodox call and have always called themselves both catholic and orthodox so
The Oriental Orthodox didn't call themselves "Orthodox" until the 60's.
The Term "Orthodox" has origins in Pre-Nicene Patristics and ultimately was adopted by the Church at the 7th Ecumenical Council
Cringe and falsified
Im a protestant, but I'd say I'm catholic and orthodox 😏
@@JoshuaBSunderland no
And would you make a video about the churches in the German speaking world (and possibly more of Europe), where we distinguish between state churches and free churches (and the Reformed state church is referred to as "evangelic")?
After viewing this video, I'm very thankful for being Catholic.
Old Catholics, sedevacantists, sspx, sedeprivationists, and many such cases. But of course less than Protestantism and EO
Lutherans and anglicans are catholic
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Thank you.
Ever hear of the Reformed Episcopal Church? What little that I know of them is that they are not of the Anglican Communion and have adapted Calvin's reformed theology including predestination. I appreciate more info from those who know more. Thanks.
I believe that they are part of the ACNA now.
I'm not REC so won't speak for them, but there's plenty more info on the web -- their own website would be broadly helpful to you, for example.
Joined the ACNA in 2009.
“It will take the grace of God. At the beginning of the Divine Liturgy the Deacon says to the priest it is time for the Lord to act and we can take that as the motto for our work of unity. Christian Unity will not be a manufactured article or an artificial man-made product it will be the work of God. Christian Unity will be a miracle from God. What we can do is to remove some of the human obstacles to the free working of the Holy Spirit and to wait and open our hearts to the miracle so that Christ and the Holy Spirit may act within us. So let us always see Christian Unity primarily as a gift from God rather than as a result of our own efforts.” - Metropolitan Kallistos Ware
have you thought of doing a video on the ISM(Independent Sacramental Movement).Which is a break away from Roman catholicism and Orthodoxism .I think they are an interesting bunch. Would love to hear ur thoughts .
As a Confessional Lutheran, I'm content to regard Pietistic Lutherans as simply "the other Lutheranism" and leave it at that. They are a historically recognized school of Lutheranism, so even though I don't consider them orthodox, they're Lutheran enough in the academic sense.
The ELCA and denominations like them, on the other hand, I really consider Lutheran in name only, and that's because they actually have a historic body of doctrine still on the books that they actively choose to ignore. Thus, unlike Lutherans of the Pietistic stream, they can't appeal to historic recognition to be considered Lutheran.
I visited an AELC church one Easter Sunday and came away pleasantly surprised! I reported to my family that I had found a congregation of ENTHUSIASTIC Lutherans! (They were shocked!) If the AELC emphasizes the Bible before Lutheran dogma, especially when it comes to whether or not to include Christians of other denominations (the AELC does; the LCMS will NOT!), then all I can say is, "May God bless the AELC!" If Jesus Christ were to approach the altar at an LCMS church, He would be rudely passed over! All I can say to those hateful types is what Our Lord said, "Inasmuch as you have done it unto the least of these my brethren, you have done it unto me!"
Get ready, gonna have a whole new Anglican alignment come May.
The beginnings of it, anyway. It won't really be fleshed out until all the provinces sign and ratify the GSFA communion document, which could take years, because of the time needed. If it’s a change to their Constitution, it may take multiple votes in their provincial synods or assemblies.
Been expecting it for 25+ years. . .
As an older Millennial (37 years old), I left my Reformed Baptist church when, during Covid, they started regurgitating right wing media talking points.
Very good video. This sometimes comes down to linguistic definitions. As someone who attends a Presbyterian church and denomination, many within our ranks would consider ourselves Reformed and the continental Reformed as Reformed, but with Baptists it becomes tricky. Those who call themselves Reformed Baptists might more accurately be called Confessional or Calvinist Baptists because the classically Reformed consider paedobaptism as a necessary means of grace in the covenantal system, allowing the believing parent to bring their child in the covenant community. I heard a dispensational teacher say Calvinists catechize their children because they believe they are in the covenant already, while his church evangelizes their children to get them saved. Simplistic and catchy, with a lot of truth in it.
During the Puritan era, if a Reformed believer held to congregational government over presbyterian or episcopal rule, they were Congregationalists, and were confessional, covenantal and baptized infants. I think if they still existed as a large group in the US they would be considered Reformed (after all their confession was written by John Owen and they counted Jonathan Edwards among their number).
It gets more complicated when you have dispensationalists like John MacArthur hold to a Calvinist soteriology but not to a Reformed confession; Albert Mohler is a dye-in -the-wool Southern Baptist but holds to a Calvinist soteriology; or my favorite media preacher, Alistair Begg, clearly Baptist and Reformed in his teaching (and his knowledge and love of, and quoting from, the Westminster Standards and the 1662 Book of Common Prayer gives his preaching much depth), but his church is independent and evangelical.
Thanks for your videos. I have come to enjoy them very, very much.
An excellent summary that I completely agree with. I personally find the whole 'Reformed Baptists aren't reformed' attitude by some of my fellow Presbys to be unhelpfully sectarian, and a little arbitrary when you really dig down into the argument. I do, however, accept some of what they're attempting to get at, and the importance of the discussion - I'm just not wild about the way they approach it.
You're also right that it gets more complicated when you look at the range of Baptist voices that are often cited in Reformed circles, or appear on-stage at Reformed conferences. John MacArther and James White, for example, while both wonderful saints that could both be cited as Baptists of a Reformed or Calvinistic bent, are very different beasts on a number of things.
They would be called, at least historically, Particular Baptists. No one would have considered a Baptist as reformed, especially the Particular Baptists. Calvin called them lunatics and refused to have anything to do with them.
I grew up in Northern Kentucky where I attended the Methodist Episcopal Church South ~ 1950s with my family. However, I was never taught the particulars of the denomination. Could you explain what makes them unique. 😐
Being Lutheran and Reformed was almost from the SECOND these words came into use a LEGAL term within the Holy Roman Empire with a precise definition. Because adhering to these legal requirements determined whether or not your confessio was legal, as set in the Holy Roman accords concerning the Confessio Augustana. And yes, that excludes Pietism.
"Each Anglican denomination will have an archbishop at the top."
This is not necessarily true. The Protestant Episcopal Church in the United States is as Anglican as they can be, and has a Presiding Bishop rather than an Archbishop. The distinction is that an archbishop is the hierarchic superior to other bishops in the province, while the US church is structured to have "first among equals" structure with a bishop whose role is administrative rather than as a "shepherd to the shepherds" seniority. Other national provinces have done something similar: Mexico and Jerusalem also has a Presiding Bishop, while Brazil and the Philippines have a Primate Bishop. The Scottish Episcopal Church calls their leader the Primus Bishop.
I think it’s funny that in the Protestant view of what a church believes should be based on Sola Scriptura. Yet, they seem to appeal to their traditional view of their founding documents, instead of solely relying on scripture. You can search UA-cam and see what the scripture means has been viewed through tradition even relying on old understandings of certain words in the Bible when new knowledge about the words I’ve been brought to light.
A fair observation at one level, but Sola scriptura doesn't mean - and has never meant - that Scripture is the only source of authority in existence, or that the concept of the church doesn't have a Biblical role in examining and defending and implementing Scriptural teaching. I mean, you only need to look to the reality that 'sola scriptura' is, rightly or wrongly, often associated with Luther, a Catholic priest with a particularly high view of church authority and tradition, yet who still believed that Scripture was still the ultimate, final ,and uniquely infallible rule. Now, you don't have to agree with Luther! But if your view of sola scriptura stands in contrast with the view of the man that it is often credited to*, it might require a re-evaluation.
(*I say 'credited to', in modern times. Of course, Luther and Protestants only believe that this was a return to original church practice)
Enjoyed your video but I must ask why you mentioned The Free Episcopal Communion along with the new ACNA. The FEC seems to be totally defunct so the question (for them) is moot.
I really like the ANCA. I'm LCMS so they are pretty close to us. The local ANCA church is really small and use a lot of old English in the liturgy which can be difficult for someone visiting.
God bless thee!
Question, is Methodists almost like a hybrid between Anglican and Prebyterian? I grew up the previous and my wife the latter and we now go to a Methodist church and we feel it is like halfway between the two.
Have you any videos on the westboro baptist church?
Homies split over a calendar
Actually, I've heard that Lutherans aren't even Christian! This was when I was going to a Presbyterian Church. I started reading some of John Knox and mentioned the "Reformed" aspect to someone in the church. They whispered: nobody here knows what that means. I asked the secretary of the church about this once and she said "They say we are, but I don't know what that means. Is it something to do with Martin Luther?"
Joshua: Eastern Greek Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox and the Coptic Orthodox and THREE different sects of 'Orthodox', right? And what about Antiochians?? Thanks if you can cover these. God bless you! ❤❤
Coptic is Orential Orthodox
So many schisms, so little unity. 😢
We should all be taking this to heart, and to prayer.
Your description of "Reformed Baptists" is kind of I thought they were.
I need to search your channel to see if you’re done a video on exactly what it means to “be in communion” with something else
I wish you had included the Wesleyan-Methodist denominations.
Self ordaining…I believe it was in Ukraine many years ago when the Bolsheviks had liquidated 80% of the ROC,taking in the Ukrainian church under moscow. Many bishops and priests killed, and a group of Ukrainians had ordained priests or probably a bishop with the hands of their deceased bishop, hence the dead hand succession.
So, as much as the Eastern church loves to posture about their supposed unity and condemn protestants for taking theology seriously and splitting over doctrinal issues, splitting over a calendar is ludicrous! Surely there must be something more going on with that?
If you'll forgive me, I'll cut and paste something I wrote in reply to someone else: the Orthodox calendar controversy comes down to two points. First, the Council of Nicaea used the Julian calendar to determine the best date for Easter, which some Orthodox churches take as an official endorsement of that calendar as part of the Christian tradition. The Nicene council is famous for settling the controversy between Trinitarians and Arians, so the question becomes this: if the council's ruling on Christ's divinity is authoritative and indisputable, then why would its ruling on the calendar be any less authoritative and indisputable?
Second, the calendar we currently use in the West is the Gregorian calendar, named after a Roman Catholic pope. This pope reformed the calendar after Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism had already split and broken communion with each other. Ergo, that calendar has no authority over Orthodoxy, and to adopt it means to follow the guidance of a pope over the guidance of the Council of Nicaea. Some Orthodox priests and bishops see this move as an endorsement of Roman Catholic beliefs in general: "If we say that Pope Gregory was right about this, then do we have to consider that Catholics might be right about other things that we don't believe?" It rings to them as dangerous ecumenism that could erode the true faith.
Of course, to an outsider, it looks like much ado about nothing. Surely a calendar is not one of Christianity's core doctrines. However, if you're going to have holy days, you have to have a calendar. And if you're going to have a calendar, you have to know which calendar you're using. So the choice of a calendar does have a real, practical impact. If we can't agree when to hold Easter, how can we celebrate Easter together? (Compare that to, say, two old high school buddies enrolled in different colleges who want to go on a trip during spring break. If their respective universities observe spring break on different weeks, that trip isn't happening, no matter how much the two friends want to be together otherwise.)
@@MAMoreno Thanks for explaining. I'm curious, how does the Julian Calendar holding EO handle calendar drift? Do they have something like the old roman pontiff's adjust it every few years? I suppose it's not too hard to precalculate the drift these days, or if it is only used for religious reasons, they can just let it drift.
That's the thing that still puzzles me, as the Julian calendar was inaccurate and the west in part also wanted to make sure Easter and other holy days were accurate. If that was a motivation for keeping the old one, I guess I'm surprised that the EO didn't similarly modify their calendar to be more accurate, maybe with even more accurate rules but still in the basic framework of the Julian calendar.
@@oracleoftroy I do know that there's a Revised Julian Calendar used by much of Eastern Orthodoxy, but it's controversial.
@@oracleoftroy there's no point in revising it, no calendar is perfectly accurate and it doesn't matter what month a season falls into.
@@Uthwita So Old Calendarists (or new Calenardists for that matter) would be fine celebrating Easter in Autumn? I'm new to this whole controversy, but one thing I am reading is that those sorts of concerns play into this whole issue. Is this attitude of not caring the view of either side of the EO, or is that just your view?
I don't know what standard of "perfectly accurate" you mean, but the general goal of a calendar is to have the same day of the year occur during the same period of orbit around the sun. Not that the ancients would think of it that way, but they already recognized that their calendar tended to drift and needed to be fixed every few years. That's part of what motivated the Julian Calendar in the first place. The Gregorian calendar is pretty accurate, though more accurate ones with less need for leap years could be devised.
Groups that do not strictly hold to the regulative principle of worship should not call themselves reformed.
Don’t worry - we don’t and we don’t!😂
Schism has been in the Church since the early days. Paul dealt with it in Corinth. All I can say is to quote Jesus 1]"...broad is the gate, and wide is the way that leads to destruction, and may there be that go in there at, but strait is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life and FEW there be that find it." and 2] "in vain do they worship me teaching for doctrine the commandments of men." There will be a shock on the day of judgement, but oh well.
8:25 Oh hey! That's me!!!!
I should clarify, the pietests aren't Lutherans because historic Lutheranism (and Lutheran doctrine) has said so. Pietists stood in opposition to Lutheran Orthodoxy. Their view of faith and works was not what Luther or Chemnitz or Gerhard taught. It's not in the Lutheran Confessions. Scandanavian Lutherans had a tendency for certain pietistic practices but even they stopped short of full on pietism. On top of that, Pietists also affirm several theological ideas you just don't find in Lutheran Orthodxy. It's frankly that simple, in my view at least.
Confessional orthodox is what determins whether someone is that denomination. Denying orthodoxy comes in various forms such as liberalism or doctrine that's in disagreement with historic confessions, etc.
Have you covered the various anabaptist groups yet?
Somewhat, but many more coming in the next few months, including 3 more videos on Mennonites.
You should really get a copy of the audio book of The Screwtape Letters as its read by John Cleese and is immensely entertaining.
A Christian Love Yashua Christ, repents from errors, and follows Jesus' teachings and the guidance of the Holy Spirit of Truth. That's all there is to The Way of Love:
Love LOVE, Love all Beings, Love your Self, Love Enemies and create new friendships, Love Jesus, and Love His Truths. Everything else, He done Did when he rose from the tomb. Religions tell you what to do or not do, Christianity is about what Christ already got DONE, The total redemption of the whole world. ''It is Finished'' !
I would point out an error I am an Old Calendarist and most of the Slavic Orthodox Churches and Greek Churches use the Julian Calendar, a few churches use a reformed Julian Calendar, and only one church The Orthodox Church of Finland if I remember correctly use the Gregorian calendar.
I look forward to this channel shifting over to parsing the various Marxist splinter groups after you get through the Communist Manifesto.
Ready to Sickle.
@@MAMoreno Got a chuckle out of me
Peoples Front of Judea
@@MAMoreno YES lol
@@MAMoreno as someone who once participated in the friendly cards-and-letters arm of Open Doors with Brother Andrew back in the days of "the evil empire," that was perfect!
Curious what denomination you grew up in and what denomination you are now Ready to Harvest?
I believe I’ve seen that he’s baptist before, but I don’t recall what type he is specifically
My assumption from his early videos was that he grew up independent baptist.
My church and associated seminary was always the Fundamental, Evangelical Baptists of Canada. Very much calvinistic. Now they use Reformed to get away from term Fundamental.
Idk why they would want to avoid that term.
#TraditionalAnglicanChurch #AnglicanChurchOfAmerica #G3Synod and others Continuing Anglicanism, Anglican Catholicism. #Please #ThankYou. ⛪🌎🌍🌏🌐
Can you please upload a video between Catholic and Syrian Orthodox Church.
So, as a Southern Baptist who is Calvinistic regarding soteriology, I would not be considered a "Reformed Baptist" by some. Perhaps a new term would be appropriate, like "Reformed Soteriology Baptist"?
A church is orthodox if and only if it was derived from a lineage in communion with constantinople as opposed to rome after 1054.
No group or person owns a word. The words catholic and orthodox were used centuries before the great schism. Based on the meaning of "orthodox", assuming most churches consider their doctrine correct, churches could add this word to their title. Although catholic is associated now with the Roman Catholic Church, I am not affirming allegiance to the Pope when I say catholic reciting the creed. Based on its meaning many churches consider themselves catholic in the same way as being orthodox. Anglican is a little different as it referees to a place namely England where the Angles settled. So any church tracing itself to England could use Anglican. The Archbishop of Canterbury was never a Pope or even a Patriarch, and he has no authority to dictate church polity outside his jurisdiction. He can invite or not invite a church to a conference which he organizes. This does make or not make a church Anglican ( a title that was rejected originally after the American Revolution by the the Protestant Episcopal Church). Each church can define themselves and adopt a view of others as they see fit.
Exxon, Richfield, BP, Rosneft, Chevron, Esso, et cetera, which of these is the only true distributor of petroleum products? And what does one really get from the pretenders?
Make sure to worship the right company, or your Toyota Corola will definitely go to hell lol
Mormons aren't even monotheists, there are some absolute fundamentals which are essential. Most of the other divisions are just hair splitting. But monotheism is rock solid foundation.
I refuse to believe y’all splitting over calendars 💀 this is why I’m Catholic
Would you make a video about Christcatholics? :)