ARE EWAR DRONES ANY GOOD?! EVE ONLINE - PARTNER SKIN GIVEAWAY!
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- Опубліковано 15 лип 2024
- 0:00 - Intro
1:28 - ECM drones
3:08 - ECM part 2
4:03 - (Neut) Neutralization drones
7:12 - Sensor Dampening drones
8:43 - Web drones
9:42 - Web part 2
10:31 - Target/Weapon Disruption drones
11:51 - Target Painting drones
13:05 - EWAR DRONES REVIEW
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Nice to see someone voicing this issue. I've brought it up a couple times myself for how useless some of these seem.
My current ideas for a solution were as follows:
Create a new attack pattern for the drones so that they either do not approach the target when trying to attack, or engage the target at max range and try to stay near to you or between yourself and the target. This would then allow for the range of some of these drones to be changed to be quite far and so still be able to apply.
Also, Gecko-ize the bandwidth and application of these drones to both reduce the number of them that need to be fielded (thus reducing depreciating returns), while still keeping them small enough so that various drone options can fit in the drone bay.
Another option in the same spirt as the above would be to actually get rid of all the different sizes and instead make a single good drone for each ewar ability which is roughly equivalent to a single meta module, but only allow a single ewar drone to be fielded at a time (except for maybe on a special dedicated hull)
Lastly, maybe have some ships that give some bonuses to these drones, like the ewar platform ships. Or maybe go for broke with a new pirate interbus transport/smuggling ship that optionally can support with ewar or logistic drones haha (my back-burner idea for a caldar-minmatar pirate faction (though may need some new lore for a Thukker hostile takeover of the company lol))
I have links in the description of the ewar drone - eveuni page & of the final picture of the video. Sorry if some parts are hard to follow or see, I think there is a reason why no one has done a video on this topic yet lol
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You would think web drones would be fast to get to a fast ship not to slow to even catch it.
Nuet drones seem like a possible alternative for ratting ships to fight off tackle. Still I think the ecms are the best getaway drones
IGN: SHOTSLAPOUT has learned what the ECM really does because who reads the description? Thanks for explaining what the rest of those weird drones do. Basically like you said, in a Galente drone boat, throw the damage drones out and kite.
Ecm drones do well vs trig ships. Even a sec of breaking the lock will reset their laser dps ramp up. I use web drones to offset people overheating their prop
makes sense! ECM really does hurt trig ships!
EC-300s best chaff in game. Saved my life more than once. Ty for the video Eventon
indeed! Just will there is more viability to the other drones. Thanks for commenting!
2:08 That’s cause ecm is a random dice roll. It is weighted based on the targets sensor strength, and the strength of the ecm module.
Yeah, most research have found most EWAR drones not to great.
*Disclaimer: I'm fairly young in EVE and not a expert.
I tend to use them now and then to fill "extra" bandwidth if it's over 25, just because it annoys me so much that light drones normally rules, bigger and their often just vulnerable, slow and unprecise in PVE.
On the flipside, EWAR drones scales ok with size and ignores tracking, that said from what I red they have heavy stacking penalties. (I haven't figured out what heavy means, but at least that's what the wiki says.) So I try not to use more than one of a kind if I feel it's beneficial enough for my fit over a light drones DPS.
Took me a while to get into the habit of releasing 2 sets of drones(as DPS and EWAR cant be in the same folder for some dumb reason), but it wasn't to hard to get into.
The most practical use I had in PVE is probably replacing 1 light with 1 larger EWAR to fill unused Bandwith, using EWAR that compliments the fit. (If it's optimal or not, I have no clue. But I think it's fun)
And I really love to fool around trying combinations of them just for fun, just to see how much closer I can let a rat get and still have ok tracking etc, I'm pretty sure in most cases a DPS drone would save me a lot of hassle and targeting. But who cares.....
If you let them fly on their own their pretty much useless though, got to get that target binding as a regular key and prep them for your next target.
*ECM (and nauter?) drones are not getting stacking penalties.
thanks for the comment! and true, ECM & neuts suffer stacking penalties since they work/compound off each other.
I did see that the stacking penalties were pretty bad on target painters, but the webs, damps, and target disruption seemed decent.
Yes my character named ECM DRONE is quite good at just mailing random pepole "you have been jammed"
LOL thats a good one!
Nice video, and yeah, played for a few years and the two or three times I've seen EWAR drones other than ECM were all support ships in gank fleets using neut drones.
Thanks for the breakdown my man. Good info
thanks for watching and commenting!
I didnt know target painting drones were a thing, too bad they're worthless.. seems like something that would be fun to use. Thanks for all the info and the time it took to research it all. o7
Yea unfortunately, thanks for commenting!
Nice video and work! Well done! Even if the outcome might have turned out the way you expected, I guess, it's generally not bad to see first hand with certain things, get the reps in yourself and someone might just have overlooked something to start with or some basic/key mechanics could have changed over time that weren't looked at that much beforehand. Very valuable information!
Agreed. Although niche, I do think neut drones might have a place vs small ships & web drones to help the fat ships catch slightly less fat ships lol
Thank you so much for this
Good and informative.
Very interesting. I was aware of the hornet EC-300 as I found and scooped some a while ago, and saw a video where someone used them with their mining ship to try to escape a gank, but that's about it. I think I can see a use for the web or target painter ones with the Cerberus and Sacrilege in T3-T4 abyss to increase application (HAM fit). Especially with the Cerberus I was not planning or counting on drones anyway for damage. (The fits I'm testing already have web and painters, but a little extra can't hurt) IGN: Suki Vokkonen
interesting ideas! Another issue with ewar drones is they have terrible ehp. I imagine they will get 2 shot by enemy ships or by a suppressor tower. Try it out tho! Maybe the TP drones could help vs that final BS to continue to the next room
Very informative and well done video. Saved me some test trials. I wish CCP would pay more attention to logistic drones, it would be cool to see more of these have a real use. Fly safe o7
In order for ewar drones to get more play as they currently are, you'd have to have ewar specific drone bays or just much larger bays in general. In most situations, you'd just be better off bringing damage drones.
Interesting video! I didn’t know web drones were available to alpha accounts. If I were to fix ewar drones, I would make disruption and painting drones have a much farther range and a much slower speed (maybe sentry options?), scale the speed of the other drones to match their frigate counterparts (web drones fastest, netting jamming drones somewhat fast) and I would have the drones ewar strength scale off of skill level. Either racial drone specialization or the base ewar skill. ign renaomaras fly safe! o7
I like these ideas, I thought about sentry TP drones as well. I'll definitely be making a video on a 'rework' to make them more viable for sure. Thanks for the comment!
I started eve at january (had short visit 2014/2008 but now im totally in it playing like 1-5 hours a day .. joined null sec and everyday i learn something new. Thanks i didint use any ewar drones but after this i definately look into them. Probably just ecm as everyone else. Ign Puhnu.
Iv enjoyed web and logi drones in small gang from time to time.
Super Interesting video! And the problem of the drones "giving up" on the target exists for all drones. In my opinion, they just give up when the target is moving too fast for them and the drones just can't keep up with it.
makes sense, its something I havent seen often. Combat drones seem to follow no matter what but I guess ewar drones are just self-aware of their capabilities lol
12:17 haven't played for a year or so and still getting an adrenaline rush hearing the Attacked buzz xD
Lost drones on D scan annoy the hell outta me, so I got myself a lost drone hunting ship. I pickup a lot of everything, light ECMs are everywhere, but the rest of your list are as rare as Geckos.
Thanks for the breakdown! This was really interesting to see. I was playing around with EWAR drones on my Loki for DED sites to free up a mid but now I might just go for the TP instead of the drones and juggle the rest... IGN: Cathan Aideron
E war drones for the win!
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ECM drones and neut drones both work very well for their purpose. Which is not surprising as they are not stacking penalised. The web, damp, painter and td drones are stacking penalised into uselessness. Maybe a missile ship can get some application benefits from a mix of td and web drones but probably less than just the equivelent drone bay of combat drones.
Maybe i got this wrong but i dont think i am atleast. For the Neut test u hade a Nosferatu running giving u back cap so its no wonder that u would be able to re-apply tackle with that thing running. The mediums neut pressure seemed to be just on the brink of what the Nos was giving u back so u could turn on the tackle a few times if the timings lined up in your favor. But as far as the light the Nos was giving back just enough to always re-applying the tackle and keep it going.
In my experiance, most ewar drones are usefull for specialists in small gangs, as well as ecm effective on any ship.
I use sensor dampening drones on my ecm boats to nullify relocking speed, as well as giving myself a higher chance to remain out of range. I use a set of neutralizing drones on my cap warfare ships, to keep a target that is neuted out of cap, while focussing on the next, If i know i am going to be fighting triglavians, i use tracking disrupter drones. They are usefull in niche situations, but i will never recommend them to new players, or players that don't specialize in a certain role, or players that do mid to large battles.
Honestly I'm glad you did your own testing EVEnton, rather than just believe the common wisdom. Your video was informative and easy to understand, Thank You. Hopefully CCP will take a look at these drones at some point and do a revamp so they will actually be viable.
Great vid 👏👍
thanks for watching !
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I think the purpose of EWAR drones is not so much effectiveness rather than flexibility. Think of most battleships having drone bays without any drone bonuses, slap some EWAR drones of a couple different types for different situations. Mind you, in order for them to not be quite as useless, the should be fixed as not to give up quite so frequently.
I agree, but the effectiveness is REALLY lacking when only 1 (EC-300s) out of the total 18 possible ewar drones are ever being used. I have some ideas on how to make them a bit more viable. Thanks for the comment!
@@eventon9372 Yeah, in order for flexibility to exist, they at the very least need some sort of effectiveness. Assuming they don't quit, maybe have something like a 7 - 10% slow per drone based on size for webs for example. Sure, it is still weaker than a t1 web, but you save a slot, the cap and it still goes out further than your standard web. (Those slow values would lead to 30-40% slow with a full fleet of drones. These were just values I pulled out of my ass.)
Thank you for your hard work. Honestly I cannot imagine the grind you had to go through to collect all this information and you must have had some great stimulus to keep you from quitting half way.
It kind of makes sense to have the small drones be most suitable for smaller ships and scaling. However the usefulness of only using drones for a specific application is limited. Using drones to give you a last nudge, that is something I can see happening but solely relying on drones for a specific purpose ... hard to imagine. It would be cool to have ships dedicated to ECM drones; very annoying and a niche application, but cool nevertheless.
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sad to see the web and paint drones being so bad, I may have a niche for them. missile boats without drone bonuses. if you want to throw torps at frigates, you better make them big and slow. With the way drone aggro works nowadays you can't just have a flight of drones kill the small stuff while you shoot the big stuff, that's very tedious. but switching to precision ammo takes time, so maybe for that little bit or PvE efficiency it may work. may try that out later.
thanks for the video!
yea someone mentioned maybe for abyss in a cerb/sac? their ehp is terrible tho but I am glad people are thinking outside the box on how to make them viable.
The dampen drones have worked for me before. If they proc. If they don't proc then they are no good. Getting the skills to max level can help. I know the 4 to 5 doesn't seem like much but it's a massive multiplier at the very end. I love running ewar ships in fleets. It cam seriously make or break people.
We need an EWAR cap that isn't the faux or the carrier. One specialized at wear against subcaps. It seems strategically a very plausible ship to have on a battle field.
All I need is the ec-drones
hmm, EV- drones could be helpful in FW where you encounter mostly small ships
try it out and let me know! I see the EV drones being better at keeping a ship at 0 cap after being hit by a dedicated neut (small/medium)
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Nice work. My only question would be how effective are they in fleets. Sure 5 don't do much but if you have 25 of them on the same target are we still seeing the same poor results? My guess is that would not be the case and is the reason they have such poor stats. I have seen ECM drones completely change a fight. I may have to try talking a small fleet roam to bring some tackle or nueting drones to see what they can do in mass.
over the years i have used drones of all sorts from my observations and understanding of mechanics i will give you what i think is happening
the problem your talking about the drones falling off and seemingly giving up they are not its actually a drone mechanic they basically have a chase max speed they then have an orbit speed once they catch the enemy they apply ewar and go into orbit velocity to continually apply active cycle they fall back and then need to chase down again to get into range that's also giving some of the inconsistencies you see if they fall to far from the target you need to retell the drone to attack i have 2 buttons on my mouse always set to drones attack target and recall all drones
2 ways to make ewar slightly better without over powering it increase top speed range and drastically increase orbit speed or give each ship a bonus to one or other
you did get the order of usefulness right
Does any of the Ewar drones make it harder for combat probes to find you? Or is that a second test I need to run....Thank-you for the video!
They don't give up, but the way they work is that they MWD to location and then turn that off and start their activity. You can clearly see it at the Typhoon web example, that you coast out of their range and then they try to catch you so they MWD after you.
Also: their code is sh.t and 15+ years old... so I'm certain that there are some dead bodies lying there in the closet :-)
The other ewar drones are situational and require significant investment to make them work. They also have very shitty hitpoints so they die to 1-2
volley of large smartbombs.
I wonder does it return drones back to business if u fast tap return and attack again when they give up
it will work, but I never had this kind of issue with combat drones
Using them in a 50 drone swarm could make them useful. Mix of DPS and Ewar
Hi. EWAR drones suffer from stacking penalty. (except ECM and Neutralizer drones)
@aknsanl4223 is it per pilot or per target? For example, my 3 drones and your 3 drones hitting same target. Would be 6 drone penalty or my 3 penalty and your 3 penalty?
@@1spotkill Taht is something I am not sure of. But I thnik it is "per target".
ive never had the lock disrupt drones disrupt my opponents lock
Because they are never used and too weak unless you are on the very edge of your targeting range
@@eventon9372 i did the math and its like 8% chance for my 5 drones to disrupt a t3c. which doesnt have that much sensor str. for anything bigger it'll never hit
These drones are things which I've never ever considered. The use of these drones are quite niche and I'm confident I'll not use it in years. The part where the drones seem to give up randomly is very frustrating and I wonder if this is intended. Combat drones never show this, making me wonder what coding affects this behaviour.
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nice work! too bad they are mostly garbo. IGN: Rykane Tritter
indeed lol
People have complained about these for ever and many pilots have died in a heap foolishly relying on them. Drone space is a premium and these have never been worth the space in the bay. Got a space potato? some extra room in the drone bay? then go ahead and play around with them but never use them as a plan A for anything.
Ecm drones = shame drones. Especially when used against a solo player vs fleets. Ask me how I know. :(
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Very long???? 20 minutes is now very long? Have people such important priorities that they can't watch a 20-minute video?
tldr? sentence to long
I guess not lol the initial vid was over 30mins and trimmed it down since I was saying/showing a lot of redundant info. Thanks for watching!