I am a skiier, but I love boarders, and I love what snowboarding has done for skiing. 20 years ago, parallel skis were the only way of skiing, then boards came along with their curved edges and introduced skiiers to carving, they came with their wide bases and introduced skiiers to powder, they came with their twin-tips and introduced skiiers to riding switch, freestyle and so much more. If it wasn't for snowboards, skiing wouldn't be the sport it is today.
To me it seems like the older generation are the ones who hate snowboarding, but the younger generation who have grown up always sharing the mountain with snowboarders have no issue what so ever.
Joe Bailey agreed but as a young skier myself I don't even think about it as "sharing" the mountain I just see it as the same concept through a different method
George W Bush Skiers share the mountain with other skiers, Snowboarders with other snowboarders. Its not a term of segregation, has nothing to do with methods being different. Two people driving Nissan GTR's on the same road are sharing the road, thas just fact. Whether you like to think about it that way or not, you DO share the mountain with all your fellow snow sport participants.
KillingAuraPvP I never said that you did... Nor did I say that all snowboarders MUST hate all skiers and vice-versa. In fact I didn't even suggest that. I simply implied that of the skiers who hate snowboarders, most seem to be of an older generation. Im kind of surprised I have to even explain this..
***** Well I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare them with racists of the early 1800. There are plenty of non white skiers who hate boarders also. My point was that they don't truly believe all of their own words based on the fact that unless Alta is the only place they've ever skied that all snowboarders they've ever encountered behave in the way they are describing. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of aggro skiers out there.
Yep, like half your representation here looks like bitchy Santa or a Karen. Cant exactly be rocket science or a triathlon if a man with a pot belly does it
+Johannes Alvarez yeah I could care less it was just a joke .. Wow I just don't understand how people are so rude over the Internet .. Did I say anything rude to you ? No I didn't
The resort will go under there not enough borders and most snowboarders are just so rude on my mountain let me stop on in the middle of a line. They also fuck up my snow.
@@christopherdorner925 I haven’t really seen anyone boot pack or skin Alta outside of preseason. If you are going to AT might as well go out of bounds.
I’m a skiier, and I can confirm that there are just as many accidents on skies as boards. I love sharing the moutian with my boarding friends. It’s all about good times man.
Those skiers say things like "they can't stop" or "they go too fast" - the only times I have been taken out when riding the slope (I snowboard) is from a skier. Getting off the lift and a skier jams their pole into the ground too early in front of my board. A skier out of control on a green running slamming into me. A skier cutting me off by suddenly turning and not looking uphill. A skier in the lift line swinging their poles around with no regard for anyone around them and hitting me in the face. A skier turning too soon coming off the lift and crossing his skis with my board. In the lift line, skiers continually ram their skis into the back of my board or over the top of my deck - while most snowboarders I've seen give plenty of room. I'm not saying that snowboarders can't be assholes - anyone can be an asshole. But in my experience, I have had way more issues with skiers and with them being a hazard on the mountain. It might help if they pair skiers and snowboarders on the lift separately, but that might extend load times. But otherwise, I've seen MORE skiers flying down the mountain, out of control, suddenly turning without looking, have no awareness of the space around them. We share the mountain, we need to be mindful of each other.
I've been snowboarding 20 years and my experience has been the exact same. Skiiers seem to lack any sense of their surroundings, be it on the slopes or on the lift line. Where I ride there are skiiers and snowboarders in equal numbers. I've been cut off and practically ran off the slope by skiiers more times than I can count, zero times by snowboarders. I think it's funny that skiiers would complain that snowboarders go too fast, since generally speaking snowboarding is slower than skiing. When one is driving and goes to turn or change lanes, they can use the directional signal. Snowboarding body language is like this. It telegraphs quite broadly and obviously which direction the snowboarder is headed in. Beginner skiiers body language telegraphs virtually nothing. They pizza everwhere stiff as a board and yet they can somehow turn on a dime and worst of all randomly decide to cut straight across a slope all the way to the treeline out of nowhere, with no real warning, and no ability to look uphill. Snowboarders can stop pretty quick but like everything they need to learn how much space they need to stop and ride accordingly.
That's the exact opposite for me. I only get hit by snowboarders. I like snowboarding, and it's not like I hate them. It seems like bullshit that they discriminate. Snowboarders should make a mountain for themselves.
its funny cuz i snowboard, but i dont hit people, they cut me off by like a foot and then slow down so i have no time to dodge them. u know i have collisions but they r never my fault, honestly skiers make lame excuses. Anyways all the people saying its been this way forever change is bad blah blah blah, ever heard of history, womens rights, the feudal system.... cuz u know its not like they ever changed. (sarcasim obviously).
thats because snowboarders have their board going sideways on the lift annoyingly hanging and are clumsy when dismounting the lift, while its easy for skiers. i ski and mainly shred with snowboarders
Hear, hear. The problem isn't skiers or boarders, it's people. If everyone took the time to learn proper control and progress within their abilities there would be far fewer incidents. Nearly every issue/collision I've seen or experienced has been a result of someone's failure to adhere to Mountain Etiquette or trying to exceed their abilities. I'm a boarder and I've called out other boarders for behaving like assholes. Just freaking treat people with respect and more often than not it'll be returned regardless of your differences (unless they're just a closed-minded jerk in which case you know where you stand...right in the middle of their chest after you punch them in the face).
I'm a skier, have been all my life, have no real interest in trying snowboarding but still think this policy is beyond dumb. Will probably never ski Alta until they change since half my friends snowboard and therefore they wouldn't be allowed to ride with me.
Matt Street I have been too close to comfort to hitting a skiier. I was riding the park and hit the first big jump and when I left the lip did I see a little guy standing in the middle of the landing just were I was about to land. Fortunately did I land on the back of his skiis and completely broke off the back part of his right binding with me left toe. It left him tumbling and me sliding on me toe side briefly to regain control and ride to the top of the next landing to notify the others not to drop in. And no one got hurt in this incident
Ethan Martin it happends. the thing and probably the reason i haven't been hit by a snowboarder is that all the tourists ride skiis and they only do it for a week every year and do not get the time to get good at what they're dooing. whilst on the other hand is almost every snowboarder someone that lives in the area and rides many times every week. if there were more snowboard tourists would there be more collisions caused by snowboarders. this is in one skii resourt in sweden and it is not representative for anything but this skii resourt
How come i have only been hit by skiers, but all the skiers are like "nah its all the boarders that hit people. Literally i was standing still and got hit by a skier.... 😂
I've been hit by 2 skiers and 2 boarder( one was my buddy), none were major, it happens and doesn't really have to do with how the get down the mountain so much as how good they are at doing it.
I am a snowboarder. I have no problems with a skiers only mountain, but I have a big problem that there's one on public property. The snowboarders' tax money also pays for that mountain to be open, and to turn them away is definitely discrimination and should not be allowed.
I've got respect for the guy at 4:58, usually don't see old skiers that don't mind snowboarders and actually tell the truth and say they aren't a problem
For a month straight every Saturday you should get a huge group of snowboarders to fill the entire parking lot, and then legally hike for their runs. It would be like the civil right bus boycott.
Hey, so if you actually want to try that then don't do it like that. It is against the rules to go uphill during their hours of operation and they will kick you off. Just go to snowbird and ski the ten feet into Alta. Way easier and way more likely to work.
This video makes all skiers look bad, but it's mostly the old guys that don't like snowboarders. I ski and I have no problem with snowboarders. In fact, lots of my friends snowboard and it makes the experience a lot better because we can do a ton of different gnarly tricks and encourage each other to try new things. It makes hitting spots a whole lot cooler since we all can approach the spot from our different views and can do a wider variety of things! It's all just about having a good time and doing something that makes you happy, not about whether you're on a snowboard or skis.
Exactly. Why can old people, and young snowboarders just live in harmony? All of my friends are a mix of snowboarders, and Skiers, and it is a blast with everyone doing their own thing.
Sliding down a hill with frozen water on it with two sticks on your feet is good, yet sliding down a hill with frozen water on it with only one stick on your feet is somehow bad?
@@NotCondorTheBird not true. A competent snowboarder carves and leaves a pencil line in the snow. A bad snowboarder flattening snow is same as a bad skier making pizzas flattening snow same way.... I take it you ski?
As someone who grew up recently with a small Midwest local ski area, I had never seen anyone with these kinds of negative stereotypes about snowboarders. I’ve always seen them as 2 sides of the same sport, there wasn’t anything except personal preference separating them. It wasn’t until I learned some snowboarding history that I realized many people hated snowboarders just a few decades ago, and it’s even crazier to see it happening so recently! Most of these people seem to realize they’re heavily biased, they’re just not fully admitting to themselves that it’s only stereotypes against snowboarders.
Same. Holly, Pine Knob and Alpine are my spots and I've only heard one skiier say negative things about boarders to me, but he ended it with "you know what, though? Snowboarding saved the industry." Guy ended up being pretty cool
With all due respect it's because you're in the midwest and you're probably nice and your on a basically flat surface ! Listen to what these guys are saying they're not just being angry jerks for no reason... not all of them are problems or lame but a good 80% are
@@marcusfieldfield4069 how can you speak so confidently about 80% of all snowboarders? That’s just stereotyping right there. Do you know how many people 80% of snowboarders covers, and you’re painting those 80% as “problems”? Also, as much as I love the nice-Midwesterner jokes, I don’t think it’s as true as many people think. I think the only reason there’s no fighting between skiers and snowboarders is because they let snowboarders on the ski hills a long time ago, and the skiers (eventually) had an open mind about it. It’s become a choice of whichever version of the sport feels more fun to you; there’s nothing sinister about choosing to snowboard
@@brandonm1708 I came up with the 80% number from my experience of skiing since I was 8 years old ; 30- 60 days a year Lake Tahoe / Mammoth Mountain California... no Midwestern Resort steepness "jokes" just facts... actually Midwestern people and people from the South are my favorite people... 95% I have met are always interesting friendly... also 1 of my best snow "friends" is a snowboarder and he is amazingly good...he also still skis sometimes if it's super icy.. 4 sharp edges are better than two... he rips on lame snowboarders ALL THE TIME when they do stupid s*** it's nothing personal ...half the time they DONT KNOW what they're even doing wrong SO he schools them ; most actually listen especially if they see how good he boards... I have NO problem with " good " snowboarders and yes they are generally older... I'm assuming you're one of them.... there is a REASON all those " old " Alta skiers we're saying what they we're saying and believe me they ( and me ) rip on skiers also ! NO DISCRIMINATING
@@marcusfieldfield4069 do you think your snowboarder friend shouldn’t be allowed at Alta because some other snowboarders are bad? It’s not in question that there are bad snowboarders out there, just as there’s bad skiers. I only have a problem with it singling out snowboarders as any different. I’m neither old nor a snowboarder, I’m merely a reasonably experienced skier. But I don’t see any difference between the kinds of people skiers and snowboarders are, we just all like to have fun in the snow
keep those skiiers at Alta. All those people he talked are the ones that blame everything on snowboarders. old ass people traversing the entire run on evert turn.
Wow! Since it's inception, Skiing has been associated with the rich and privileged. Time's have changed, and most snowsports are a lot more accessible to people from all walks of life, but this video shows how the attitude of the "privileged" Skier is still alive and well. I've been taken out by both skier and snowboarder alike, so the idea that Snowboarders alone are dangerous and reckless is ridiculous. Like others have mentioned, a lot of skiers tend to take up the whole hill, zig-zagging across the slope like a minesweeper (without checking if they're cutting off someone else's line), and I've lost count of the amount of times I've been jabbed by carelessly wielded ski poles (both in queues and on runs). Does this mean I hate skiers? Of course not. There are idiots in all sports. People with no situational awareness etc. It just seems that some Skiers have a real chip on their shoulder that they have to share "their" slopes with the unwashed masses.
I am a certified Alpine, Telemark, and Snowboard Instructor. I do not think any mountain that is on Forest Service land should be allowed to discriminate against snowboarders. I have seen as many incidents cause by both skiers and snowboarders. When I was improving my skills on a board, and moving to black runs I was hit by a skier (observed by another instructor who was helping me with my skills), the skier who hit me kept on trying to blame me. I believe that skiers and snowboarders can live together. Remember Respect gets Respect.
@@briankelly6113right. It sits on public land. Duh. That's a significant connection and there have been lawsuits seeking to open Alta to all in part because of this. There is another in the works now that's being bankrolled by an organization with much, much deeper pockets and whose name rhymes with Dead Dull. They are taking a different approach using case law. Win or lose, I'm just glad to see Alta's owners spending money to defend themselves when everyone knows the end is in sight. If you were born after 1990, you'll board at Alta in your lifetime. Guaranteed
I love how they say "snowboarders hit everyone". I've been hit more times by skiers than I have by snowboarders. Also I like how you say we're "just a bunch of teenage assholes that wear nose rings and are stupid idiots". I go fairly slow on the mountain and try to keep in control, have never hit anyone before, have no piercings, and I have a 4.0 GPA with a Presidential Scholarship. I tried skiing when I was little, I just prefer snowboarding.
You’re right!!! This 45+ female started snowboarding five years ago, has no piercings, no tattoos, spent the first two seasons yelling at skiers because they were so ignorant and rude and scary on the slopes. No regard for anybody but themselves. The better the skier, the scarier they were.
9:06 "Snowboarders from all over the world, if they heard ALTA allowed snowboarders, would FLOCK"... Only reason I'd "flock" to ALTA would be to watch the elitists get all red-faced with impotent anger at the *gasp* equality of allowing everyone to use PUBLIC LAND. I didn't hear a lot of logic from the skiers, just opinions based on limited data or brilliantly worded retorts like "Never has been, never will be" or "stay the hell off this mountain". You people are truly ambassadors of your sport. Well done.
Space Invader Didn't you just say that you don't think it has awesome terrain? Also, when land is rented out to someone they then get to decide who to allow on it. Alta rents the land so they are legally allowed to deny whomever they want.
Connor Boschert Never said anything about the terrain sucking so have no idea where you got that. What I said was the only reason I'd go is to aggravate jerks like those shown in the video; there's no reason for me to travel there with plenty other resorts much closer. And as for Alta legally restricting use...if they lease the land from the government and no federal dollars (i.e. our tax dollars) are used for any maintenance, patrolling, rescue, etc. of or on any portion of that land, then the argument could be made they can restrict whomever they want. However, if any federal money flows to Alta in the form of subsidies or tax breaks/incentives, then the FEDS make the decision whether snowboarders can be restricted and if so, what legitimate reason they're using to support that decision. The government saying "Alta made the decision and we didn't" is just a cowardly cop-out because if they have the ABILITY to make the decision and don't, that's de facto discrimination. Discrimination, for the most part, based on ignorance. That's really what irritates me about it.
In my own personal experiences, older skiers 45+ tend to be the ones that escalate situations into verbal arguments and even fights. Most young skiers and boarders are chill with each other. I’ve heard many old skiers complaining about boarders but I’ve never heard an old boarder complain about any one.
I don't see why snowboarders can't start their own mountain. I've never been hit by a skier or a snowboarder because I'm aware of my surroundings, but it's easy to hate a whole group of people.
lol lets make a mountain where only snowboarders are allowed…you say that we can't stop and we run into you, yet you bring your kids into our terrain park #bantheskiers
Man this is such a strong analogy for racism, xenophobia, and pretty much all other forms of discrimination. "they shouldn't mix" "they're dangerous" "they're rude" It's wild.
@@N31907 lol maybe don’t fall off the lift on a Saturday? First ever szn on the mountains and I’ve only ever fallen off the lift due to a snowboarder straight up pushing me down
@@aldonlobo5121 that sounds like a skill issue for you then. Sorry to hear you don’t know how to ride a lift. I’ve never fallen off one but ig I’m just better
Is skiing V snowboarding an american thing? I live in new zealand and enjoy both. They do realize that it's just different equipment and not like, a race thing, right?
+Liarra “Heart” Sniffles probably. I don't know about outside the US, but last I heard 3 resorts in the US didn't allow snowboarders, and two were in Utah. I heard a rumor that the third started allowing them, but that might have been drivel. Either way, 2/3 to all of the resorts that don't allow snowboarding are in Utah (Deer Valley and Alta). About the only justification I've heard that makes sense is that it's tradition, which in the case of Alta is true in fact, and true in spirit. The thing no one talks about that I think is the real reason behind the no-snowboard policy is that they don't need to. Both resorts do well off skiers alone. Allowing another class of snow-sports would increase the number of visitors. For DV that is bad because they cap the hill, so they'd have to turn more people away which hurts their image as one of the (if not the) top destination ski resort in the lower 48. Alta doesn't cap the mountain, but no one there that I've ever talked to wants to see more crowds. Personally I think that's why they remain sans-board.
i somewhat agree with the stuff that 2:35 said, im both a skier and boarder, but its true that most boarders (that i see) that crash or fall or whatever dont check to see if the other party is ok, they just say get the fuck out of my way and go on boarding...
This whole fight between skiers and snowboarders is so old and lame... Notice how you don't see any skiers putting videos on UA-cam? Skiers aren't butt hurt preteen punks. It's so pathetic reading all the comments bashing skiers. They make their own resort and the snowboarders cry because they won't let them in. How about instead of sitting in the parking lot, you just go to a different mountain? Or start your own snowboarders only resort. You can all get high and do 720 corks while chugging energy drinks
na bru, I ski and all these stereotypes about snow borders are fucking dumb. most borders are in control and respectful. you get some ass hole who cuts you off on a board or takes you out, and that's peoples general conception of boarders. alta is just full of dumb old farts who are still living in the 60's before snowboarding was invented. they refuse to evolve and get with the times.
jack giroux I agree, but this video completely misrepresents skiers as a whole. I have no issue with snowboarders until they start acting like everyone else is the scum of the mountain. Read the comments - all the punk snowboarders (including the idiots that made this video) trash skiers because of a handful of old morons making stupid comments. I can go into Wal-Mart and only film a certain race of people. Then make a video with only the stupid responses and title it "All ______ people are dumb morons that shop at Wal-Mart" I'm just sick of the war that old skiers and young punk snowboarders have had ever since the sports started. Those old skier people will hopefully eventually die out; hopefully so will the young punk snowboarding attitude.
It's not about sitting in a parking lot and being annoying. They're trying to get a point across that it isn't cool to ban people just because they use one shhhhtick, opposed to two.
The best part of this video 3:27....Pabst baby...yyeeaahhoooo...good on you guys for taking time out and putting up with skiers shit for this healthy cause
I personally don't care either way, that being said the snowboarder's arguments aren't sound. The Fourteenth Amendment prevents discrimination based on a person's race, sex, religion, age, physical limitation, national origin, and in some instances sexual orientation; the 14th mentions nothing about sports or pass times. Resorts like Alta are on public land, however they usually have land-lease agreements allowing the resort to enforce their own rules of conduct. That being said just because it is public land doesn't imply you can do whatever you want on it. With the same logic of the guys in the video you could argue dirt bikes should be allowed in the Washington Mall in D.C. or we should be able to paint modern art on Half Dome.
Casey Klimock actually the permit issued to Alta by U.S. Forestry states "land covered by this permit shall remain open to the public for all lawful purposes". Snowboarding is a lawful activity. PRIVATE for profit business has no right to come up with rules that supersede federal laws/rules on PUBLIC land.
really? that different? ok, tell me how many times you see a snowboard flying down the hill by it self with an idiot waving down the hill "ski on the loose"
Everyone should go out a hold a petition clipboard at some point in their life. It’s a real lesson in humanity and in my experience it comes back a bit like this across any issue. You find out some people are unsurprisingly rude, some are supportive, some people will sign anything without thinking about it, some people will disagree but engage with interesting discourse (even with points you didn’t consider), and then the best part is that some people are surprisingly compassionate to your issue when you, with your inherent bias, would think they would not be. Then you have to decide how you want to walk away from the experience - which group of interaction types becomes the prevailing one you take away from the experience?
First of all, I'm a skier, skate boarder, and a surfer. Taos used to restrict snowboarding only because the terrain was too narrow. The first day they opened it up the boarders they were eating it hard, but they've assimilated nicely. As far as culture goes, there are just as many dirt bag ass hole skiers as there are dirt bag ass hole boarders. And these skiers know that if there was a "snowboarders only" resort they'd throw a fit!!
Let's pick the best mountain in the world with the best snow and everything and make itt snowboarders only and use their argument of " if you don't like it learn to ski" and see what they think about it.
If skiiers were kicked out of Snowbird or Brighton or anywhere they would lose their minds and do this same stuff. I board and ski. And generally when I'm skiing I do go to Alta cause it's a really nice resort. I wish I could board there, but lame ass people have to be in charge
Your comment was from a long time ago... most people that Ski and Snowboard are really good / advanced... one of my ski Bros also does both he is amazing.. what is your preference at this point ? I'm assuming you've tried the newer fat skis... on a big Pow day my friend goes with the board any kind of ice or hard condition he always goes with the skis
Love the Alta Snowboarding team hoodie @ 14:08, good stuff. Fight the good fight gents.Great reactions from some of these " fuddy -duddy skiers. Being a skier for over 30 years I may a bit biased but I think Alta and Mad River Glenn are fine the way they are . Having ski'd both, they are both small enough that the snowboarding community is not missing all that much. I have no problem sharing the mountain with any snowboarder at any mountain I have ever been at. Any argument a skier has against any said snowboarder can also be made against a lot of skiers. Every community has their bad apples sort of speak.
I ride. Half my friends ride, the other half ski. Anyone who hates either skiers, or snowboarders I'd wager cannot ski or ride very well. As long as you can rip, I'd like to make turns with you.
Staying at a Chalet with my snowboarder mate and this guy asked If i was a skier, I said yes then he went on a massive rant about Snowboarders all the while my friend stood behind him. We then mentioned to him that my friend is a snowboarder. Very entertaining to then stay with him all week in a Chalet.
I’m a skier and find snowboarders to be helpful most of the time but then there is always a couple that hate skiers and that’s what ruins the fun. Stay positive. Live being grateful not wanting more.
I am fortunate enough to snowboard at Snowbird almost everyday and I make it a point to bring up Alta and this debate when i am on the chair with skiers. I am really surprised at the responses I get. Some people tell me to basically shut up while others hear me out. It seems to be about a 50/50 split. I also ski, sometimes at Alta, though I do not have a seasons pass there. It is a special place to say the least. This whole thing about snowboards not being able to get to "the good stuff" is a bunch of crap. Every Fall and late spring I do a lot of touring up there and I ride all of the good stuff, High Rustler, Gun Site, you name it. It will happen, it will become friendly to snowboarders. Also, it seems to me that the people who are really against snowboards are describing the stereotypical "park rats". There is nothing wrong with park, that is not my point. What these people do not understand is that 95% of snowboards are not like that and that 5% that are, won't be going to Alta because there is no park. Worry not skier peoples!
I know this is old news. Thanks unofficialnetworks.com for bringing this divide back up. When I watch this all I can do is laugh. Some of these idiot responses are great. I moved to Utah 19 years ago to snowboard after learning to snowboard a couple years earlier in the Midwest. Animosity between skiers and snowboarders there was high. Both factions would bicker and fight each other. When I got to Utah I found a completely different scene. It was an environment where boarders and skiers coexisted. The main rule was respect and know your limits. I quickly learned that it was important to show respect and earn your respect. At first I was envious of the skiers. They had much more mobility around the mountain than I did on my board. I knew I had to step my game up and so I did. I quickly became aware not to clog up traverses and that no one wants the run to get washed out by side-slipping and started doing my part to maintain flow on the mountain and to help preserve ideal powder conditions. I rode with both skiers and snowboarders all the time. It was all about doing the right thing and respect. The real problem that exists is that there are some that are all high and mighty and they don’t like being around those that are learning and they don’t want to do their part to help educate the beginners. I’m sure the people in this video have equally awful thoughts about the less experienced skiers they encounter on their precious Alta slopes. All in all, I think most of these people are ignorant and I could care less that they open Alta to boarders. Don’t get me wrong it’s wonderful terrain. Though it has a lot more traversing than the average boarder wants to deal with. I do think it is bogus that Alta is on Forest Service land and that these limitations are in effect. I’ll hit up the place before they open and after they close. “Main Baldy Chute”. P.S. for all those with the “You should go there with a spit board” comment. It’s been done before. Look up the Chameleon articles from Snowboarder mag back in the 90s. He hit Alta, PC, Taos and others. I honestly don’t think it’s worth it to try anymore but it was a good laugh back in the day. Keep progressing...
It shames me as a skier that some of us act like that. I've never snowboarded a day in my like, nor will I ever, but it's definitely not cool what they're doing. #freealta
Funny video! took some balls to sit there for what looked like two days and do that. I'm a skier of 41 years who snowboarded, and tried every mode for going down the hill from ski bikes to kayaks. The real issue here is that this is designated as a single use site by the U.S. Forrest service. Like a Wilderness area that doesn't allow mountain bikes or any mechanized form of transportation, or hiking trails that don't allow motorcycles, or bike paths that don't allow cars...or like one guy commented...the guy that wanted to wait tables at Hooters...that was funny! Single use sites allow for different experiences on our government lands. I fully support a Snowboard area and it seems strange that one doesn't exist. It would be a great experience to be at a mountain that only has snowboards. Totally different vibe. Put your effort into getting that done. Hell, do it at Brighton or Solitude and let Utah duke it out. The door is always open in Colorado!
Everyone's saying people get to board everywhere except here so why do they care? They care because of the principle. People are prejudiced because they have such a set stereotype of every boarder. I really cant understand why people are so closed minded, I mean, especially the people that argue about the noise. If you want to consider yourself a good skier, you should know how to ski around boarders. Everyone knows they take wider turns, so just be aware of your surroundings. Just to clarify, I've only boarded one day in my life and I've been skiing 10, so I'm not trying to say skiers are bad. The one guy says, "thats how it always was and thats how it'll always be." So what? People used to own slaves, doesn't mean it has to stay like that.
Good point. “ it’s always been like that “is an old persons, saying, and very ignorant. It shows how hollow their head is, if they can’t even formulate an opinion.
My 2 cents. The snow holds better at Alta than at Bird. The traverses are significantly nicer for skiers as well. I completely see why you guys want to board it. We should make a boards only mountain somewhere to balance it out. Groom more moguls, cater traverses for you guys, get liftlines shaped for y'all. Just for clarification, I ski AltaBird, have been hit by both and completely respect qualified boarders. Bad boards are terrible for snow, but so are snowplows.
I'm a skier and I think that snowboarding should be allowed there. A few of my friends snowboard and the company is just losing money not letting more people go. So really it's the resort losing out here. Also I think it's funnier with snowboarders, it creates more unique options to be with people.
It's hilarious how out of touch these people are. The average age of snowboarders was 27.5 in 2011 (trending upwards quickly (up from 24.5 in 2001)), and the percentage of all US resort visits snowboarders represent is dropping quickly (from 33% a few years ago down to 30% in 2011, while it had been on a sharp linear rise from 1991 to 2001). Skiers started pinching the style of snowboarders (clothes, attitude, freestyle nature) and kids starting up were into it--simple as that. All the "young punks" that used to snowboard just ski now, and they suck just as much as young punk snowboarders did.
Still majority ski. I notice that at Mammoth and park city. I think coexist is the best solution. We just wanna try different routes and places within reasonable distance. I would be pissed if I have to drive further because snowboard wasn’t allowed. I won’t also drive further for snowboard only places.
lol you're right we won't "admit" that because it's untrue Skiing is much more difficult, when you get up to a more advanced level, maybe boarding is more difficult to start out because of the stupid ways that you guys have to stop but when you get more advanced, no.
Thomas Seagrave You can't simply say one is harder than the other. You don't have any idea how he was taught how to ski or snowboard. Maybe he was taught differently than you were. I, having skied as well as snowboarded, have found skiing a lot harder. I just personaly like snowboarding better.
My only issue with skiing is in the park and sometimes on lifts. While I'm stoked to see sick freestyle skiing tricks thrown it gets pretty bad on jumps and other jibs because skiers often lose their skies or poles on jumps and other jibs and then create congestion and danger for people who cant see them stuck at the landing or whatnot.
You can board Alta, you just can't ride the lifts! You can't sled on the mountain either! You did lose, "Snowboarders don't have a constitutional right to the slopes of Alta Ski Resort, a federal judge ruled Tuesday. U.S. District Judge Dee Benson rejected arguments from four snowboarders and a group called Wasatch Equality that Alta's arrangement with the U.S. Forest Service requires it to comply with the equal protection guarantees in the 14th Amendment." Deseret News Published: Wednesday, Sept. 24 2014 8:10 a.m
Yep, the argument in the other direction was far more of a slippery slope IMO. There are many justified limits on federal lands, like ATV/Motorbike restrictions on designated Hiking trails. The US National Park Service even charges differing access fees based on age and group numbers & affiliation, which is something an individual under the law does not have control over and is far more of a violation of the 14th Amendment than restrictions/preferences placed on a voluntary recreational sport, that represents a small priviledged minority of the populace.
There was a Utah attorney who played devil's advocate and argued both sides of the case in a blog. Skier side of the argument is here: lattinlawfirm.com/blog/2014/9/29/alta-is-still-for-skiers The snowboarding side is here: lattinlawfirm.com/blog/2014/10/20/why-alta-should-allow-snowboarders-a-second-look-at-the-wasatch-equality-lawsuit I agree that there are many justified restrictions on land use, but banning snowboarding at a ski resort isn't one of them (only 3 resorts in the country still ban boarders and I've never heard of a higher incidence of boarder-caused fatalities at the ones that don't have their heads up their asses). Your statement that people who enjoy snowsports are privileged makes me wonder if you're not just a class warfare demagogue. Do you even ski or snowboard?
I've been a skier for 40 years, I raced, free styled, was a professional instructors, and racing coach. At the moment, I am recovering from a for a broken leg after being hit by a boarder. I have have numerous friend that have been injured because of out of control boarders. The funny part my accident is that it happened after I posted this in October. The problem with boarders are they have NO mountain etiquette. When I was a "hot dogger" the ski patrol was on our asses to slow down, have a spotter on our kickers, and to stay "inside the boundaries". The patrol today doesn't enforce safety because the resorts don't want to loose revenue. There is also a difference what a boarder does to the snow as opposed to what a skier does. A skier's track, since he has 2 edges doesn't rut the snow in a turn as much as a boarder does with his one edge. A boarder trends to push the snow into piles like a snow shovel.
jesushatesyoutoo Whats the difference between an out of control skier and an out of control snowboarder? You could have easily been hit by a skier who was skiing over their head.
Alta ski resort used to frown upon telemarkers years ago and did not allow them. Telemarkers proved that they were sage and responsible skiiers and did not cry foul or discrimination. And interesting side note just got back from skiing Taos ski resort which now allows snowboarders....even though they have far fewer snowboarders than most resorts the moguls are so messed up compared to the days of no snowboarders it was quite simply a crime. moguls were choppy and wide as opposed to the round vertical moguls from the days of just skiing. Thats why I love to ski Alta because the C-traverse has the most beautiful moguls and are a pure joy. Yes maybe that is going back to the 80's but a form of pure joy.
I don't get ski vs board war....I ski and skiers/boarders cut me off. Pretty sure I cut them off too. No need for fight, acknowledge your mistake and move on.
Bad analogy, the Palestine conflict is caused by Zionist takeover of Palestine, when the UN wouldn't give the Zionists more than 50% of the nation, they brought out the guns to push the people out of their own country. The Ski Snowboard conflict is caused by Skiers thinking they're better than everyone else because they use Poles. Now that there's only a tiny amount of Mountains still run by stuck up old rich folks, all the idiots who still hold this mindset flock to the same few places, making these people easy to find and compile into a video such as this one.
Jack Carlos Damn this guy's butthurt. Did I hit a nerve? You've got no reason to be lumped in with the group of Skiers I'm talking about unless you are in fact some 60 year old nutjob who thinks you're better because you use 2 bits of wood.
BemaniAK That's fine if you're only hating on the old pricks that still live in the 70's. But you (and many others) make blanket comments towards ALL skiers, which is just as bad as the old fools in this video.
It isn't "discrimination". The forest service is free to set the terms for use of the land. If you showed up with skis, they'd let you in, right? Therefore it isn't discrimination. There are public lands on the east coast for example, where hunting is allowed with shotguns only. You don't see hunters who want to use rifles claiming "discrimination". You either hunt with a shotgun or go somewhere else.
It's discrimination, it's just not discrimination against people. The vast majority of objects and activities are unprotected and can be discriminated against with near impunity.
Stalicone fishing, hunting, off road vehicles, recreational restrictions on public lands is set by the GOVERNMENT. Alta is US Forestry land and carries no restrictions against snowboarding. Permit issued to Alta states " land covered by this permit shall remain open to the public for all lawful purposes". Snow boarding is a lawful purpose. A for profit PRIVATE business has no right to write their own laws that supersede federal rules on PUBLIC land. Private land you write your own rules but not on public especially when it violates rules set forth in a lease permit.
KaliAndy2 And now - here is my reply... 1) Alta doesn't just run a ski resort by permit. They have a lease. A lessee is free to set the terms for the use of the property based on numerous reasons. They are the lawful tenant of the property and therefore free to set restrictions on the use of the property. Just like any business or someone who rents an apartment. For example: Having a wedding reception on the slopes would also be a "lawful activity" (after all, there is nothing illegal about a wedding reception) but Alta is perfectly free to restrict that activity, based on whatever they wish to base the restriction on; i.e., safety, intended use, insurance, liability...whatever. "Remain open to the public for all lawful purposes." does not mean those lawful activities cannot be restricted. Additional example: The resort closes at night, in which case ALL lawful activities are restricted. From the recent judgement on this very issue, the judge wrote; "A business, even a skiing business on Forest Service property, enjoys the right to manage its business pursuant to its preferred business model, even if others disagree," - I exactly agree with that assessment.
Someone needs to roll up with a split board, then connect the skiis at the top.
@JDRoy25 merica
That's what I was thinking
@JDRoy25 I would assume its public land though as the guys were saying. they just run the lifts.
@JDRoy25 your allowed to ride it with a snowboard just not use the lifts
they ban split boards too:(
"put on all their earrings and nose rings" lol my fave
I am a skiier, but I love boarders, and I love what snowboarding has done for skiing.
20 years ago, parallel skis were the only way of skiing, then boards came along with their curved edges and introduced skiiers to carving, they came with their wide bases and introduced skiiers to powder, they came with their twin-tips and introduced skiiers to riding switch, freestyle and so much more. If it wasn't for snowboards, skiing wouldn't be the sport it is today.
hell yes man
WTF? Thats ridiculous logic
I love at all, but I’m sorry borders did not teach skiers about carving hilarious. Also, new school skiing came about on its own.
This is crazy talk but I have no issues with boarders.
Boarding has definitely helped ski progression
To me it seems like the older generation are the ones who hate snowboarding, but the younger generation who have grown up always sharing the mountain with snowboarders have no issue what so ever.
Joe Bailey agreed but as a young skier myself I don't even think about it as "sharing" the mountain I just see it as the same concept through a different method
George W Bush Skiers share the mountain with other skiers, Snowboarders with other snowboarders. Its not a term of segregation, has nothing to do with methods being different. Two people driving Nissan GTR's on the same road are sharing the road, thas just fact. Whether you like to think about it that way or not, you DO share the mountain with all your fellow snow sport participants.
Joe Bailey true my dad and his friend are always trash talking snowboards lol
Joe Bailey I'm a skier and a snowboarder... I don't hate myself...
KillingAuraPvP I never said that you did... Nor did I say that all snowboarders MUST hate all skiers and vice-versa. In fact I didn't even suggest that. I simply implied that of the skiers who hate snowboarders, most seem to be of an older generation. Im kind of surprised I have to even explain this..
"All those snowboarders are young assholes"... watches 30 more seconds of the video and sees 3 young assholes mooning the camera that are skiers XD
lol
+Da Pandurr I think it's safe to say that most of these people do not actually believe their own words.
***** Well I think it's a bit of a stretch to compare them with racists of the early 1800. There are plenty of non white skiers who hate boarders also. My point was that they don't truly believe all of their own words based on the fact that unless Alta is the only place they've ever skied that all snowboarders they've ever encountered behave in the way they are describing. Not to mention the fact that there are plenty of aggro skiers out there.
Chris Thomas, you missed the point. It's an analogy, he wasn't saying they're necessarily racist, just that it's the same type of mentality.
when he said "Sking is an elite sport" lmao
***** almost everyone in the video was an asshole lol
"like tennis" lol
Yousef Parker he then goes on to list the whitest sports in existence
how is the 'elite' sport easier to learn lmao
Yep, like half your representation here looks like bitchy Santa or a Karen. Cant exactly be rocket science or a triathlon if a man with a pot belly does it
Us snowboarders should have our own private mountain then and see how those skiers like it.
Yup , I say we should turn aspen into only snowboarding allowed .. Lol they would flip the fuck out lol
+Johannes Alvarez yeah I could care less it was just a joke .. Wow I just don't understand how people are so rude over the Internet .. Did I say anything rude to you ? No I didn't
+Johannes Alvarez haha for sure well have fun
+FreediverSD you should honestly that is a great idea
The resort will go under there not enough borders and most snowboarders are just so rude on my mountain let me stop on in the middle of a line. They also fuck up my snow.
All the old people hate snowboarding because it's a sign of youth!!!!
Exactly
Preach!
Use a split board so you can get on the lift and then put it back together and ride down to the bottom. FREE ALTA
You can hike it no problem and ride it. Fuck paying for a lift ticket there
@@christopherdorner925 I haven’t really seen anyone boot pack or skin Alta outside of preseason. If you are going to AT might as well go out of bounds.
"This country was based on well.... ummmmm.... discrimination, and punching down the little guy."
The logic of ALTA resort.
I’m a skiier, and I can confirm that there are just as many accidents on skies as boards. I love sharing the moutian with my boarding friends. It’s all about good times man.
F that! If I see a snowboard, I shoot on sight. I started putting notches on my ski poles for all the snowboarders I've straight up merked.
@@m.r.9.0.7. So you must like skiing Alta then
@@m.r.9.0.7.with an attitude like that you shouldn’t be allowed on any mountain! You bring that to Mt. Hood you will get punched on 👊🏾👊🏾👊🏾
Great! Then go to Snowbird with your friends.
@@m.r.9.0.7.hey look a wild jerry!
Those skiers say things like "they can't stop" or "they go too fast" - the only times I have been taken out when riding the slope (I snowboard) is from a skier. Getting off the lift and a skier jams their pole into the ground too early in front of my board. A skier out of control on a green running slamming into me. A skier cutting me off by suddenly turning and not looking uphill. A skier in the lift line swinging their poles around with no regard for anyone around them and hitting me in the face. A skier turning too soon coming off the lift and crossing his skis with my board. In the lift line, skiers continually ram their skis into the back of my board or over the top of my deck - while most snowboarders I've seen give plenty of room. I'm not saying that snowboarders can't be assholes - anyone can be an asshole. But in my experience, I have had way more issues with skiers and with them being a hazard on the mountain. It might help if they pair skiers and snowboarders on the lift separately, but that might extend load times. But otherwise, I've seen MORE skiers flying down the mountain, out of control, suddenly turning without looking, have no awareness of the space around them. We share the mountain, we need to be mindful of each other.
I've been snowboarding 20 years and my experience has been the exact same. Skiiers seem to lack any sense of their surroundings, be it on the slopes or on the lift line. Where I ride there are skiiers and snowboarders in equal numbers. I've been cut off and practically ran off the slope by skiiers more times than I can count, zero times by snowboarders. I think it's funny that skiiers would complain that snowboarders go too fast, since generally speaking snowboarding is slower than skiing.
When one is driving and goes to turn or change lanes, they can use the directional signal. Snowboarding body language is like this. It telegraphs quite broadly and obviously which direction the snowboarder is headed in. Beginner skiiers body language telegraphs virtually nothing. They pizza everwhere stiff as a board and yet they can somehow turn on a dime and worst of all randomly decide to cut straight across a slope all the way to the treeline out of nowhere, with no real warning, and no ability to look uphill. Snowboarders can stop pretty quick but like everything they need to learn how much space they need to stop and ride accordingly.
That's the exact opposite for me. I only get hit by snowboarders. I like snowboarding, and it's not like I hate them. It seems like bullshit that they discriminate. Snowboarders should make a mountain for themselves.
its funny cuz i snowboard, but i dont hit people, they cut me off by like a foot and then slow down so i have no time to dodge them. u know i have collisions but they r never my fault, honestly skiers make lame excuses. Anyways all the people saying its been this way forever change is bad blah blah blah, ever heard of history, womens rights, the feudal system.... cuz u know its not like they ever changed. (sarcasim obviously).
thats because snowboarders have their board going sideways on the lift annoyingly hanging and are clumsy when dismounting the lift, while its easy for skiers. i ski and mainly shred with snowboarders
Hear, hear. The problem isn't skiers or boarders, it's people. If everyone took the time to learn proper control and progress within their abilities there would be far fewer incidents. Nearly every issue/collision I've seen or experienced has been a result of someone's failure to adhere to Mountain Etiquette or trying to exceed their abilities. I'm a boarder and I've called out other boarders for behaving like assholes. Just freaking treat people with respect and more often than not it'll be returned regardless of your differences (unless they're just a closed-minded jerk in which case you know where you stand...right in the middle of their chest after you punch them in the face).
I'm a skier and I love hanging out and skiing with snowboarders
^5!
Yes!
I'm a skier, have been all my life, have no real interest in trying snowboarding but still think this policy is beyond dumb. Will probably never ski Alta until they change since half my friends snowboard and therefore they wouldn't be allowed to ride with me.
i personally have never been hit by a snowboarder but i have been hit by skiiers a couple of times in my 3 full wintes of riding (over 200 full days)
Same here. I've been hit by skiers twice and not yet by a snowboarder.
Matt Street I have been too close to comfort to hitting a skiier.
I was riding the park and hit the first big jump and when I left the lip did I see a little guy standing in the middle of the landing just were I was about to land. Fortunately did I land on the back of his skiis and completely broke off the back part of his right binding with me left toe.
It left him tumbling and me sliding on me toe side briefly to regain control and ride to the top of the next landing to notify the others not to drop in.
And no one got hurt in this incident
What the hell was he doing in the landing?
I actually got hit by a snowboarder last season XD
Ethan Martin it happends.
the thing and probably the reason i haven't been hit by a snowboarder is that all the tourists ride skiis and they only do it for a week every year and do not get the time to get good at what they're dooing.
whilst on the other hand is almost every snowboarder someone that lives in the area and rides many times every week.
if there were more snowboard tourists would there be more collisions caused by snowboarders.
this is in one skii resourt in sweden and it is not representative for anything but this skii resourt
How come i have only been hit by skiers, but all the skiers are like "nah its all the boarders that hit people. Literally i was standing still and got hit by a skier.... 😂
I've been hit by 2 skiers and 2 boarder( one was my buddy), none were major, it happens and doesn't really have to do with how the get down the mountain so much as how good they are at doing it.
JerryLol not to mention slow speed and lousy turns + cutoffs
I am a snowboarder. I have no problems with a skiers only mountain, but I have a big problem that there's one on public property. The snowboarders' tax money also pays for that mountain to be open, and to turn them away is definitely discrimination and should not be allowed.
Good point--they're on national forest land.
Alta may be on leased USFS land but the resort is privately owned. They can write their rules any way the want to.
@@Ryan_hey They are on leased USFS land, the resort is privately owned.
It’s not discrimination it’s your choice to snowboard
only sky, impossible in europ@@jmshkm
I've got respect for the guy at 4:58, usually don't see old skiers that don't mind snowboarders and actually tell the truth and say they aren't a problem
For a month straight every Saturday you should get a huge group of snowboarders to fill the entire parking lot, and then legally hike for their runs. It would be like the civil right bus boycott.
Sign me up
Genius
What makes you think you can legally hike to the runs? The resort is privately owned.
Dude, you take yourselves way too seriously. Just go to Snowbird, where you're welcomed.
Alta management would stop a bunch of them if they tried that legal or not people are hardcore there they would send Ski Patrol on snowmobiles
I'm actually kinda glad Alta exists as a Karen catch-all. Keep all the radical snowboarder haters out of other resorts 😎 thanks Alta
Exactly!
Super Good Point, thank you Alta
Along with their big egos. These old folks probably don’t know how to ski. Only propelled by arrogance.
Quarantine zone
Radical snowboard haters😂👍
might get a split board and ski in, then at the top pop in to the snowboard and just piss off everyone with the apparent noise of snowboards!
lol cheeky son of a...
Hey, so if you actually want to try that then don't do it like that. It is against the rules to go uphill during their hours of operation and they will kick you off. Just go to snowbird and ski the ten feet into Alta. Way easier and way more likely to work.
"that's the way is always been" is not a valid reason
Tradition dumbass. It's been like it forever it's not gonna change. It's a totally valid reason
Skip class Eat ass What about slavery and woman’s suffrage dumbass
@@AlexK9465 You are allowed. It's public land. You can't get on the licensed lift.
This video really shows how relaxed and laid back snowboarders are vs skiers lol
no it just shows how relaxed younger generations are vs older generations lol
It's the older people. My two roommates are snowboarders, I give them shit about it. And they give me shit about being a skiier
@@roguesqadronairsoft me and my skiing buddies go to the hill (I board) and we just throw shade at eachother for what they do as a joke
This video makes all skiers look bad, but it's mostly the old guys that don't like snowboarders. I ski and I have no problem with snowboarders. In fact, lots of my friends snowboard and it makes the experience a lot better because we can do a ton of different gnarly tricks and encourage each other to try new things. It makes hitting spots a whole lot cooler since we all can approach the spot from our different views and can do a wider variety of things! It's all just about having a good time and doing something that makes you happy, not about whether you're on a snowboard or skis.
Exactly. Why can old people, and young snowboarders just live in harmony? All of my friends are a mix of snowboarders, and Skiers, and it is a blast with everyone doing their own thing.
Sliding down a hill with frozen water on it with two sticks on your feet is good, yet sliding down a hill with frozen water on it with only one stick on your feet is somehow bad?
it clearly says so in the quran.
one cuts through snow the other flattens it. thats really it haha
@@NotCondorTheBird not true. A competent snowboarder carves and leaves a pencil line in the snow. A bad snowboarder flattening snow is same as a bad skier making pizzas flattening snow same way.... I take it you ski?
That old man that says all snowboarders are teenage assholes, is an asshole, i have a six year old sister that borads
@@NotCondorTheBird Andy is correct, a bad skier does the same thing.
3:58 "Because the world deserves some places... that you guys can't be." Best response lmao.
can i just show up with a split board?
Literally exactly what I was thinking! That would be hilarious and piss a ton of people off! I want to do that soooo bad now!
+Joey the OG I was thinking that too!!!
+SpeedyMcCool417 it would be easy to poach them too
I'm fucking doing that
No
"they put on all their earings and nose rings and then go snowboarding" lol
Now imagine if snowboarders tried to make a mountain exclusively for snowboarders. Think of all the pissed off skiers there would be.
Raging Buffalo in Illinois was a snowboard only resort.
As someone who grew up recently with a small Midwest local ski area, I had never seen anyone with these kinds of negative stereotypes about snowboarders. I’ve always seen them as 2 sides of the same sport, there wasn’t anything except personal preference separating them. It wasn’t until I learned some snowboarding history that I realized many people hated snowboarders just a few decades ago, and it’s even crazier to see it happening so recently!
Most of these people seem to realize they’re heavily biased, they’re just not fully admitting to themselves that it’s only stereotypes against snowboarders.
Same. Holly, Pine Knob and Alpine are my spots and I've only heard one skiier say negative things about boarders to me, but he ended it with "you know what, though? Snowboarding saved the industry." Guy ended up being pretty cool
With all due respect it's because you're in the midwest and you're probably nice and your on a basically flat surface ! Listen to what these guys are saying they're not just being angry jerks for no reason... not all of them are problems or lame but a good 80% are
@@marcusfieldfield4069 how can you speak so confidently about 80% of all snowboarders? That’s just stereotyping right there. Do you know how many people 80% of snowboarders covers, and you’re painting those 80% as “problems”?
Also, as much as I love the nice-Midwesterner jokes, I don’t think it’s as true as many people think. I think the only reason there’s no fighting between skiers and snowboarders is because they let snowboarders on the ski hills a long time ago, and the skiers (eventually) had an open mind about it. It’s become a choice of whichever version of the sport feels more fun to you; there’s nothing sinister about choosing to snowboard
@@brandonm1708 I came up with the 80% number from my experience of skiing since I was 8 years old ; 30- 60 days a year Lake Tahoe / Mammoth Mountain California... no Midwestern Resort steepness "jokes" just facts... actually Midwestern people and people from the South are my favorite people... 95% I have met are always interesting friendly... also 1 of my best snow "friends" is a snowboarder and he is amazingly good...he also still skis sometimes if it's super icy.. 4 sharp edges are better than two... he rips on lame snowboarders ALL THE TIME when they do stupid s*** it's nothing personal ...half the time they DONT KNOW what they're even doing wrong SO he schools them ; most actually listen especially if they see how good he boards... I have NO problem with " good " snowboarders and yes they are generally older... I'm assuming you're one of them.... there is a REASON all those " old " Alta skiers we're saying what they we're saying and believe me they ( and me ) rip on skiers also ! NO DISCRIMINATING
@@marcusfieldfield4069 do you think your snowboarder friend shouldn’t be allowed at Alta because some other snowboarders are bad? It’s not in question that there are bad snowboarders out there, just as there’s bad skiers. I only have a problem with it singling out snowboarders as any different.
I’m neither old nor a snowboarder, I’m merely a reasonably experienced skier. But I don’t see any difference between the kinds of people skiers and snowboarders are, we just all like to have fun in the snow
Let's make Mammoth snowboarders only lmfao
im with 100% of the way man hahaha!!
Yessir
Erick Crawford aww come on "mammoth is for everyone"
Fuck let me make it out there first!! lol honestly if skiers have a resort snowboarders might as well.
Let's make the canyons side of park city snowboard only
I’ve been snowboarding for 28 years and I don’t think I’ve ever herd so many stereotypes about snowboarding
I would like to see what skiers would say if us snowboarders had our own mountain, that skiers are not aloud on.
Frankly, it'd be great. Might even put an end to this silly debate!
I wouldn't say shit and I wouldn't complain. That is exactly what these guys should do. Start your own mountain.
Matt Hedley agree with you 100% on private land, your land your rules. Public land not so much since we all own it.
don't know if it exists anymore. But (I think it was called) Green River Valley toward Big Bear, Ca. way. that only allowed boarders
Lol we wouldn't care we'd stay at Alta with good snow
"Snowboarders are so rude."
This should be everyone's mountain.
keep those skiiers at Alta. All those people he talked are the ones that blame everything on snowboarders. old ass people traversing the entire run on evert turn.
Wow! Since it's inception, Skiing has been associated with the rich and privileged. Time's have changed, and most snowsports are a lot more accessible to people from all walks of life, but this video shows how the attitude of the "privileged" Skier is still alive and well.
I've been taken out by both skier and snowboarder alike, so the idea that Snowboarders alone are dangerous and reckless is ridiculous.
Like others have mentioned, a lot of skiers tend to take up the whole hill, zig-zagging across the slope like a minesweeper (without checking if they're cutting off someone else's line), and I've lost count of the amount of times I've been jabbed by carelessly wielded ski poles (both in queues and on runs).
Does this mean I hate skiers? Of course not.
There are idiots in all sports. People with no situational awareness etc.
It just seems that some Skiers have a real chip on their shoulder that they have to share "their" slopes with the unwashed masses.
You’re 💯 right. Now buy me a lift ticket for reading the very lengthy comment 😊😊😉😉
@@richrich685 haha, 6 years on, and I’m still writing the follow up comment🤙
This comment didn't age well. Skiing prices have nearly doubled in the past 6 years🤦♂️
I am a certified Alpine, Telemark, and Snowboard Instructor. I do not think any mountain that is on Forest Service land should be allowed to discriminate against snowboarders. I have seen as many incidents cause by both skiers and snowboarders. When I was improving my skills on a board, and moving to black runs I was hit by a skier (observed by another instructor who was helping me with my skills), the skier who hit me kept on trying to blame me. I believe that skiers and snowboarders can live together. Remember Respect gets Respect.
The only connection to the Forest Service is that Alta is on leased USFS land, the resort is privately owned.
@@briankelly6113right. It sits on public land. Duh. That's a significant connection and there have been lawsuits seeking to open Alta to all in part because of this. There is another in the works now that's being bankrolled by an organization with much, much deeper pockets and whose name rhymes with Dead Dull. They are taking a different approach using case law. Win or lose, I'm just glad to see Alta's owners spending money to defend themselves when everyone knows the end is in sight. If you were born after 1990, you'll board at Alta in your lifetime. Guaranteed
I love how they say "snowboarders hit everyone". I've been hit more times by skiers than I have by snowboarders. Also I like how you say we're "just a bunch of teenage assholes that wear nose rings and are stupid idiots". I go fairly slow on the mountain and try to keep in control, have never hit anyone before, have no piercings, and I have a 4.0 GPA with a Presidential Scholarship. I tried skiing when I was little, I just prefer snowboarding.
You’re right!!! This 45+ female started snowboarding five years ago, has no piercings, no tattoos, spent the first two seasons yelling at skiers because they were so ignorant and rude and scary on the slopes. No regard for anybody but themselves. The better the skier, the scarier they were.
@@Tempo50Wack comment
9:06 "Snowboarders from all over the world, if they heard ALTA allowed snowboarders, would FLOCK"... Only reason I'd "flock" to ALTA would be to watch the elitists get all red-faced with impotent anger at the *gasp* equality of allowing everyone to use PUBLIC LAND. I didn't hear a lot of logic from the skiers, just opinions based on limited data or brilliantly worded retorts like "Never has been, never will be" or "stay the hell off this mountain". You people are truly ambassadors of your sport. Well done.
dude... Alta is some of the best lift - accessed terrain in the US. If I was skiing pow I'd go there any day over Breck or Park City
Spencer Barlett Dude, so you're a skier? Then sign the damn petition so we boarders can see some of that awesome lift-accessed terrain!
Space Invader
Didn't you just say that you don't think it has awesome terrain? Also, when land is rented out to someone they then get to decide who to allow on it. Alta rents the land so they are legally allowed to deny whomever they want.
Connor Boschert Never said anything about the terrain sucking so have no idea where you got that. What I said was the only reason I'd go is to aggravate jerks like those shown in the video; there's no reason for me to travel there with plenty other resorts much closer.
And as for Alta legally restricting use...if they lease the land from the government and no federal dollars (i.e. our tax dollars) are used for any maintenance, patrolling, rescue, etc. of or on any portion of that land, then the argument could be made they can restrict whomever they want. However, if any federal money flows to Alta in the form of subsidies or tax breaks/incentives, then the FEDS make the decision whether snowboarders can be restricted and if so, what legitimate reason they're using to support that decision. The government saying "Alta made the decision and we didn't" is just a cowardly cop-out because if they have the ABILITY to make the decision and don't, that's de facto discrimination. Discrimination, for the most part, based on ignorance. That's really what irritates me about it.
Alta does not ban a single person from using their slopes, if you want to go there, try something different and learn to ski.
In my own personal experiences, older skiers 45+ tend to be the ones that escalate situations into verbal arguments and even fights. Most young skiers and boarders are chill with each other. I’ve heard many old skiers complaining about boarders but I’ve never heard an old boarder complain about any one.
12:34
"I don't like the "sorry dude", I don't like it. You can snowboard, just don't snowboard here"
"whoaa, sorry dude"
Cracked me up so bad! :D
This is one of those stereotypes that's true. Skiers are way more uptight than snowboarders.
“Those assholes! The NOISE! This country was BUILT on Discrimination!!” Omg you guys nailed it.
Sjw
I don't see why snowboarders can't start their own mountain. I've never been hit by a skier or a snowboarder because I'm aware of my surroundings, but it's easy to hate a whole group of people.
themcbobgorge That's the problem. People always generalize whole groups of people based off of one or two bad experiences with people from that group.
themcbobgorge you can't make a great mountain lol
there are plenty of mountains that can be turned into resorts
lol lets make a mountain where only snowboarders are allowed…you say that we can't stop and we run into you, yet you bring your kids into our terrain park #bantheskiers
lol its like that diseny move cloud 19 or someting
"our terrain park" skiers can rock the park just as well as boarders
The Victator totally true just saying i hate when skiers bring there kids in the terrain park
The Victator I second Matt's comment. It's just the kids that annoy us. Some of my closest and oldest friends ski are unreal in the park.
The stereotypes aren't even true
Man this is such a strong analogy for racism, xenophobia, and pretty much all other forms of discrimination.
"they shouldn't mix"
"they're dangerous"
"they're rude"
It's wild.
ESPECIALLY because snowboarding is such a cultural thing, it’s not about the equipment it’s literally just discrimination/classism/ageism.
@@N31907 lol maybe don’t fall off the lift on a Saturday? First ever szn on the mountains and I’ve only ever fallen off the lift due to a snowboarder straight up pushing me down
@@aldonlobo5121 that sounds like a skill issue for you then. Sorry to hear you don’t know how to ride a lift. I’ve never fallen off one but ig I’m just better
@@N31907 I guess you are just better but I’m getting there fam
Not really an analogy with the one guy saying, "This country was built on discrimination and squashing the little guy." @1:42
“Skiing is an elite sport” those S turns are looking sick man 🤙💯
Is skiing V snowboarding an american thing? I live in new zealand and enjoy both.
They do realize that it's just different equipment and not like, a race thing, right?
Nah. It's pretty much dumb ass shit 3 year old grown men do. And here in Utah they make it worse because of Alta. It's ridiculous.
+Liarra “Heart” Sniffles probably. I don't know about outside the US, but last I heard 3 resorts in the US didn't allow snowboarders, and two were in Utah. I heard a rumor that the third started allowing them, but that might have been drivel. Either way, 2/3 to all of the resorts that don't allow snowboarding are in Utah (Deer Valley and Alta). About the only justification I've heard that makes sense is that it's tradition, which in the case of Alta is true in fact, and true in spirit.
The thing no one talks about that I think is the real reason behind the no-snowboard policy is that they don't need to. Both resorts do well off skiers alone. Allowing another class of snow-sports would increase the number of visitors. For DV that is bad because they cap the hill, so they'd have to turn more people away which hurts their image as one of the (if not the) top destination ski resort in the lower 48. Alta doesn't cap the mountain, but no one there that I've ever talked to wants to see more crowds. Personally I think that's why they remain sans-board.
No it's just a Utah thing. What a backward state.
No because people here are immature and people hate new things. They're afraid of change so they're discriminitive about it.
+rob giarrusso Yep. Avoid it at all costs. Go anywhere but the US.
i somewhat agree with the stuff that 2:35 said, im both a skier and boarder, but its true that most boarders (that i see) that crash or fall or whatever dont check to see if the other party is ok, they just say get the fuck out of my way and go on boarding...
Cept nobody who snowboards callings riding boarding 😎 *and that’s a fact*
This whole fight between skiers and snowboarders is so old and lame... Notice how you don't see any skiers putting videos on UA-cam? Skiers aren't butt hurt preteen punks. It's so pathetic reading all the comments bashing skiers. They make their own resort and the snowboarders cry because they won't let them in. How about instead of sitting in the parking lot, you just go to a different mountain? Or start your own snowboarders only resort. You can all get high and do 720 corks while chugging energy drinks
na bru, I ski and all these stereotypes about snow borders are fucking dumb. most borders are in control and respectful. you get some ass hole who cuts you off on a board or takes you out, and that's peoples general conception of boarders. alta is just full of dumb old farts who are still living in the 60's before snowboarding was invented. they refuse to evolve and get with the times.
jack giroux I agree, but this video completely misrepresents skiers as a whole. I have no issue with snowboarders until they start acting like everyone else is the scum of the mountain. Read the comments - all the punk snowboarders (including the idiots that made this video) trash skiers because of a handful of old morons making stupid comments.
I can go into Wal-Mart and only film a certain race of people. Then make a video with only the stupid responses and title it "All ______ people are dumb morons that shop at Wal-Mart"
I'm just sick of the war that old skiers and young punk snowboarders have had ever since the sports started. Those old skier people will hopefully eventually die out; hopefully so will the young punk snowboarding attitude.
Cork 720*
It's not about sitting in a parking lot and being annoying. They're trying to get a point across that it isn't cool to ban people just because they use one shhhhtick, opposed to two.
I ski and snowboard and we don't just get high and do "cork 720". And after you said how annoying bashing skiers is you just go and bash snowboarders.
funny how i see this two days before buying my first snowboard. ive been skiing all my life but i just needed a snowboar its just so much fun
If you buy some Modern fat skis and put them next to each other it's pretty much the same amount of surface area as a snowboard😂 just saying
The best part of this video 3:27....Pabst baby...yyeeaahhoooo...good on you guys for taking time out and putting up with skiers shit for this healthy cause
This is fascinating ... these people are genuinely fascinating. It's like observing a primitive alien culture.
2:40 they can't stop and don't look around... Every skier kid at my hill
guy skiing wit giant pink scarf "its cool they just have skiing"
I hope things never change 💯
I personally don't care either way, that being said the snowboarder's arguments aren't sound. The Fourteenth Amendment prevents discrimination based on a person's race, sex, religion, age, physical limitation, national origin, and in some instances sexual orientation; the 14th mentions nothing about sports or pass times. Resorts like Alta are on public land, however they usually have land-lease agreements allowing the resort to enforce their own rules of conduct. That being said just because it is public land doesn't imply you can do whatever you want on it. With the same logic of the guys in the video you could argue dirt bikes should be allowed in the Washington Mall in D.C. or we should be able to paint modern art on Half Dome.
i snowboard. you are totally right is not discrimination.
Casey Klimock actually the permit issued to Alta by U.S. Forestry states "land covered by this permit shall remain open to the public for all lawful purposes". Snowboarding is a lawful activity. PRIVATE for profit business has no right to come up with rules that supersede federal laws/rules on PUBLIC land.
Starting petition for cars on bike paths...
really? that different? ok, tell me how many times you see a snowboard flying down the hill by it self with an idiot waving down the hill "ski on the loose"
Everyone should go out a hold a petition clipboard at some point in their life. It’s a real lesson in humanity and in my experience it comes back a bit like this across any issue.
You find out some people are unsurprisingly rude, some are supportive, some people will sign anything without thinking about it, some people will disagree but engage with interesting discourse (even with points you didn’t consider), and then the best part is that some people are surprisingly compassionate to your issue when you, with your inherent bias, would think they would not be.
Then you have to decide how you want to walk away from the experience - which group of interaction types becomes the prevailing one you take away from the experience?
at 4:56 ty for someone speaking logical sense and has not been hypnotized into thinking that snowboarders are the worst.
First of all, I'm a skier, skate boarder, and a surfer. Taos used to restrict snowboarding only because the terrain was too narrow. The first day they opened it up the boarders they were eating it hard, but they've assimilated nicely. As far as culture goes, there are just as many dirt bag ass hole skiers as there are dirt bag ass hole boarders. And these skiers know that if there was a "snowboarders only" resort they'd throw a fit!!
Let's pick the best mountain in the world with the best snow and everything and make itt snowboarders only and use their argument of " if you don't like it learn to ski" and see what they think about it.
That's so true !
Also, do none of these stuck up skiers know that snowboarding was invented by Tom Sims, a SKIER!!?
Bruce Courtney Actually man it was Sherman Poppin
If skiiers were kicked out of Snowbird or Brighton or anywhere they would lose their minds and do this same stuff. I board and ski. And generally when I'm skiing I do go to Alta cause it's a really nice resort. I wish I could board there, but lame ass people have to be in charge
Your comment was from a long time ago... most people that Ski and Snowboard are really good / advanced... one of my ski Bros also does both he is amazing.. what is your preference at this point ? I'm assuming you've tried the newer fat skis... on a big Pow day my friend goes with the board any kind of ice or hard condition he always goes with the skis
Love the Alta Snowboarding team hoodie @ 14:08, good stuff. Fight the good fight gents.Great reactions from some of these " fuddy -duddy skiers. Being a skier for over 30 years I may a bit biased but I think Alta and Mad River Glenn are fine the way they are . Having ski'd both, they are both small enough that the snowboarding community is not missing all that much. I have no problem sharing the mountain with any snowboarder at any mountain I have ever been at. Any argument a skier has against any said snowboarder can also be made against a lot of skiers. Every community has their bad apples sort of speak.
the awesome moment when you both ski and snowboard :D
alta also should be called "the racist mountain."
yeah cuz skiing is a race
lol nvm
semipro6600 can I just ask how skiing is more privileged than snowboarding
U don't get discriminated to the point that you cant ski on a mountain lol cmon
snowboarder's lives matter!
I ride. Half my friends ride, the other half ski. Anyone who hates either skiers, or snowboarders I'd wager cannot ski or ride very well. As long as you can rip, I'd like to make turns with you.
If there were only a snowboarding-only mountain...i guess these skiers would be thrilled.
I do agree that it's cool that there are a couple resorts that only allow skiers. (I snowboard.)
Why does it seem like every skier is either old or gay?
Haha thats funny did you know that most snowboarders like to suck each others pps
They are at alta
***** snowboard at Alta but you can't use the ski lifts those are private
Jonny Thatcher We tried they don't let us hike.
when your aloud to snowboard
They need to get johnny tsunami to save this place haha
Staying at a Chalet with my snowboarder mate and this guy asked If i was a skier, I said yes then he went on a massive rant about Snowboarders all the while my friend stood behind him. We then mentioned to him that my friend is a snowboarder. Very entertaining to then stay with him all week in a Chalet.
I’m a skier and find snowboarders to be helpful most of the time but then there is always a couple that hate skiers and that’s what ruins the fun. Stay positive. Live being grateful not wanting more.
extreme gnar at 5:54 but seriously most of the people on this video make me ashamed to call myself a skier i mean how can people hate so much like wow
Same
I am fortunate enough to snowboard at Snowbird almost everyday and I make it a point to bring up Alta and this debate when i am on the chair with skiers. I am really surprised at the responses I get. Some people tell me to basically shut up while others hear me out. It seems to be about a 50/50 split. I also ski, sometimes at Alta, though I do not have a seasons pass there. It is a special place to say the least. This whole thing about snowboards not being able to get to "the good stuff" is a bunch of crap. Every Fall and late spring I do a lot of touring up there and I ride all of the good stuff, High Rustler, Gun Site, you name it. It will happen, it will become friendly to snowboarders.
Also, it seems to me that the people who are really against snowboards are describing the stereotypical "park rats". There is nothing wrong with park, that is not my point. What these people do not understand is that 95% of snowboards are not like that and that 5% that are, won't be going to Alta because there is no park. Worry not skier peoples!
8 years later we are still in the same spot
I know this is old news. Thanks unofficialnetworks.com for bringing this divide back up. When I watch this all I can do is laugh. Some of these idiot responses are great. I moved to Utah 19 years ago to snowboard after learning to snowboard a couple years earlier in the Midwest. Animosity between skiers and snowboarders there was high. Both factions would bicker and fight each other. When I got to Utah I found a completely different scene. It was an environment where boarders and skiers coexisted. The main rule was respect and know your limits. I quickly learned that it was important to show respect and earn your respect. At first I was envious of the skiers. They had much more mobility around the mountain than I did on my board. I knew I had to step my game up and so I did. I quickly became aware not to clog up traverses and that no one wants the run to get washed out by side-slipping and started doing my part to maintain flow on the mountain and to help preserve ideal powder conditions. I rode with both skiers and snowboarders all the time. It was all about doing the right thing and respect. The real problem that exists is that there are some that are all high and mighty and they don’t like being around those that are learning and they don’t want to do their part to help educate the beginners. I’m sure the people in this video have equally awful thoughts about the less experienced skiers they encounter on their precious Alta slopes. All in all, I think most of these people are ignorant and I could care less that they open Alta to boarders. Don’t get me wrong it’s wonderful terrain. Though it has a lot more traversing than the average boarder wants to deal with. I do think it is bogus that Alta is on Forest Service land and that these limitations are in effect. I’ll hit up the place before they open and after they close. “Main Baldy Chute”. P.S. for all those with the “You should go there with a spit board” comment. It’s been done before. Look up the Chameleon articles from Snowboarder mag back in the 90s. He hit Alta, PC, Taos and others. I honestly don’t think it’s worth it to try anymore but it was a good laugh back in the day. Keep progressing...
It shames me as a skier that some of us act like that. I've never snowboarded a day in my like, nor will I ever, but it's definitely not cool what they're doing. #freealta
Damn just come to Canada
Funny video! took some balls to sit there for what looked like two days and do that. I'm a skier of 41 years who snowboarded, and tried every mode for going down the hill from ski bikes to kayaks. The real issue here is that this is designated as a single use site by the U.S. Forrest service. Like a Wilderness area that doesn't allow mountain bikes or any mechanized form of transportation, or hiking trails that don't allow motorcycles, or bike paths that don't allow cars...or like one guy commented...the guy that wanted to wait tables at Hooters...that was funny! Single use sites allow for different experiences on our government lands. I fully support a Snowboard area and it seems strange that one doesn't exist. It would be a great experience to be at a mountain that only has snowboards. Totally different vibe. Put your effort into getting that done. Hell, do it at Brighton or Solitude and let Utah duke it out. The door is always open in Colorado!
Everyone's saying people get to board everywhere except here so why do they care? They care because of the principle. People are prejudiced because they have such a set stereotype of every boarder. I really cant understand why people are so closed minded, I mean, especially the people that argue about the noise. If you want to consider yourself a good skier, you should know how to ski around boarders. Everyone knows they take wider turns, so just be aware of your surroundings. Just to clarify, I've only boarded one day in my life and I've been skiing 10, so I'm not trying to say skiers are bad. The one guy says, "thats how it always was and thats how it'll always be." So what? People used to own slaves, doesn't mean it has to stay like that.
***** Who's to say I'm not?
Good point. “ it’s always been like that “is an old persons, saying, and very ignorant. It shows how hollow their head is, if they can’t even formulate an opinion.
these people have the same mindset that caused segregation.
Jackson McKagan
Exactly!
@@zachbrown7747 you have nothing to say in rebuttal lmao. You must ski
Bull
My 2 cents. The snow holds better at Alta than at Bird. The traverses are significantly nicer for skiers as well. I completely see why you guys want to board it. We should make a boards only mountain somewhere to balance it out. Groom more moguls, cater traverses for you guys, get liftlines shaped for y'all.
Just for clarification, I ski AltaBird, have been hit by both and completely respect qualified boarders. Bad boards are terrible for snow, but so are snowplows.
I'm a skier and I think that snowboarding should be allowed there. A few of my friends snowboard and the company is just losing money not letting more people go. So really it's the resort losing out here. Also I think it's funnier with snowboarders, it creates more unique options to be with people.
Do you guys sell those sweatshirts "alta snowboard team" I would love to buy one
Now that is funny!!!
Awesome, thanks! Thats a sweet website too, love the background of the mountain out to get the shredders
***** It makes me laugh, Snowboard Alta! OR Ride Alta!!
Yeah, its funny how mad those skiers get, what scumbags, not all of them but some
It's hilarious how out of touch these people are. The average age of snowboarders was 27.5 in 2011 (trending upwards quickly (up from 24.5 in 2001)), and the percentage of all US resort visits snowboarders represent is dropping quickly (from 33% a few years ago down to 30% in 2011, while it had been on a sharp linear rise from 1991 to 2001). Skiers started pinching the style of snowboarders (clothes, attitude, freestyle nature) and kids starting up were into it--simple as that. All the "young punks" that used to snowboard just ski now, and they suck just as much as young punk snowboarders did.
Still majority ski. I notice that at Mammoth and park city. I think coexist is the best solution. We just wanna try different routes and places within reasonable distance. I would be pissed if I have to drive further because snowboard wasn’t allowed. I won’t also drive further for snowboard only places.
I think both should be able to. I only ski and find it fun to ride with snowboarders.
I hate skiers, i get hit a lot by them and they cut me off.
lol says the boarder
*****
lol skis go faster than snowboards dumbass, shows how much you know from doing both
lol you're right we won't "admit" that because it's untrue
Skiing is much more difficult, when you get up to a more advanced level, maybe boarding is more difficult to start out because of the stupid ways that you guys have to stop but when you get more advanced, no.
Thomas Seagrave
You can't simply say one is harder than the other. You don't have any idea how he was taught how to ski or snowboard. Maybe he was taught differently than you were. I, having skied as well as snowboarded, have found skiing a lot harder. I just personaly like snowboarding better.
you must have some sort of issue then
they should make a place just for snowboarders
My only issue with skiing is in the park and sometimes on lifts. While I'm stoked to see sick freestyle skiing tricks thrown it gets pretty bad on jumps and other jibs because skiers often lose their skies or poles on jumps and other jibs and then create congestion and danger for people who cant see them stuck at the landing or whatnot.
Ive been snowboarding for 7 years and damn ive never heard so much stereotypes about snowboarders 😂😂
You can board Alta, you just can't ride the lifts! You can't sled on the mountain either!
You did lose, "Snowboarders don't have a constitutional right to the slopes of Alta Ski Resort, a federal judge ruled Tuesday.
U.S. District Judge Dee Benson rejected arguments from four snowboarders and a group called Wasatch Equality that Alta's arrangement with the U.S. Forest Service requires it to comply with the equal protection guarantees in the 14th Amendment." Deseret News
Published: Wednesday, Sept. 24 2014 8:10 a.m
Yep, the argument in the other direction was far more of a slippery slope IMO. There are many justified limits on federal lands, like ATV/Motorbike restrictions on designated Hiking trails.
The US National Park Service even charges differing access fees based on age and group numbers & affiliation, which is something an individual under the law does not have control over and is far more of a violation of the 14th Amendment than restrictions/preferences placed on a voluntary recreational sport, that represents a small priviledged minority of the populace.
There was a Utah attorney who played devil's advocate and argued both sides of the case in a blog. Skier side of the argument is here:
lattinlawfirm.com/blog/2014/9/29/alta-is-still-for-skiers
The snowboarding side is here:
lattinlawfirm.com/blog/2014/10/20/why-alta-should-allow-snowboarders-a-second-look-at-the-wasatch-equality-lawsuit
I agree that there are many justified restrictions on land use, but banning snowboarding at a ski resort isn't one of them (only 3 resorts in the country still ban boarders and I've never heard of a higher incidence of boarder-caused fatalities at the ones that don't have their heads up their asses). Your statement that people who enjoy snowsports are privileged makes me wonder if you're not just a class warfare demagogue. Do you even ski or snowboard?
I've been a skier for 40 years, I raced, free styled, was a professional instructors, and racing coach.
At the moment, I am recovering from a for a broken leg after being hit by a boarder. I have have numerous friend that have been injured because of out of control boarders. The funny part my accident is that it happened after I posted this in October.
The problem with boarders are they have NO mountain etiquette. When I was a "hot dogger" the ski patrol was on our asses to slow down, have a spotter on our kickers, and to stay "inside the boundaries". The patrol today doesn't enforce safety because the resorts don't want to loose revenue.
There is also a difference what a boarder does to the snow as opposed to what a skier does. A skier's track, since he has 2 edges doesn't rut the snow in a turn as much as a boarder does with his one edge. A boarder trends to push the snow into piles like a snow shovel.
jesushatesyoutoo Whats the difference between an out of control skier and an out of control snowboarder? You could have easily been hit by a skier who was skiing over their head.
i2ambler2002
And yet I wasn't. Two years prior I was hit by three different boarders on the same day.
boy, these Mormons are mean. they need a real drink.
I’m a skier, but what would be cool is if they made another mountain all only for snowboarders! Equal and dope!
Alta ski resort used to frown upon telemarkers years ago and did not allow them. Telemarkers proved that they were sage and responsible skiiers and did not cry foul or discrimination. And interesting side note just got back from skiing Taos ski resort which now allows snowboarders....even though they have far fewer snowboarders than most resorts the moguls are so messed up compared to the days of no snowboarders it was quite simply a crime. moguls were choppy and wide as opposed to the round vertical moguls from the days of just skiing. Thats why I love to ski Alta because the C-traverse has the most beautiful moguls and are a pure joy. Yes maybe that is going back to the 80's but a form of pure joy.
I don't get ski vs board war....I ski and skiers/boarders cut me off. Pretty sure I cut them off too. No need for fight, acknowledge your mistake and move on.
Did snowboarders and skiers become like israel vs palestine out of nowhere? Or did I just live under a rock?
Bad analogy, the Palestine conflict is caused by Zionist takeover of Palestine, when the UN wouldn't give the Zionists more than 50% of the nation, they brought out the guns to push the people out of their own country.
The Ski Snowboard conflict is caused by Skiers thinking they're better than everyone else because they use Poles.
Now that there's only a tiny amount of Mountains still run by stuck up old rich folks, all the idiots who still hold this mindset flock to the same few places, making these people easy to find and compile into a video such as this one.
BemaniAK Lol who cares
ost sweinen Skiers
Jack Carlos
Damn this guy's butthurt.
Did I hit a nerve?
You've got no reason to be lumped in with the group of Skiers I'm talking about unless you are in fact some 60 year old nutjob who thinks you're better because you use 2 bits of wood.
BemaniAK That's fine if you're only hating on the old pricks that still live in the 70's. But you (and many others) make blanket comments towards ALL skiers, which is just as bad as the old fools in this video.
We need a snowboarder only mountain
Wow, I ski, And I have never thought of snowboarders being so different or being at war with one another!!
Everybody get along:))
It isn't "discrimination". The forest service is free to set the terms for use of the land. If you showed up with skis, they'd let you in, right? Therefore it isn't discrimination. There are public lands on the east coast for example, where hunting is allowed with shotguns only. You don't see hunters who want to use rifles claiming "discrimination". You either hunt with a shotgun or go somewhere else.
It's discrimination, it's just not discrimination against people. The vast majority of objects and activities are unprotected and can be discriminated against with near impunity.
Stalicone fishing, hunting, off road vehicles, recreational restrictions on public lands is set by the GOVERNMENT. Alta is US Forestry land and carries no restrictions against snowboarding. Permit issued to Alta states " land covered by this permit shall remain open to the public for all lawful purposes". Snow boarding is a lawful purpose. A for profit PRIVATE business has no right to write their own laws that supersede federal rules on PUBLIC land. Private land you write your own rules but not on public especially when it violates rules set forth in a lease permit.
KaliAndy2
Now that is a REAL and cogent argument. You have my respect. I need to do some research to offer a reply.
KaliAndy2
And now - here is my reply...
1) Alta doesn't just run a ski resort by permit. They have a lease. A lessee is free to set the terms for the use of the property based on numerous reasons. They are the lawful tenant of the property and therefore free to set restrictions on the use of the property. Just like any business or someone who rents an apartment.
For example: Having a wedding reception on the slopes would also be a "lawful activity" (after all, there is nothing illegal about a wedding reception) but Alta is perfectly free to restrict that activity, based on whatever they wish to base the restriction on; i.e., safety, intended use, insurance, liability...whatever. "Remain open to the public for all lawful purposes." does not mean those lawful activities cannot be restricted. Additional example: The resort closes at night, in which case ALL lawful activities are restricted.
From the recent judgement on this very issue, the judge wrote; "A business, even a skiing business on Forest Service property, enjoys the right to manage its business pursuant to its preferred business model, even if others disagree," - I exactly agree with that assessment.
KaliAndy2 You can't snowmobile there, so why should you get to complain about snowboarding? You're an idiot.