If FINALS MVPs Were Given to the BEST Player… (2000s)
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- Опубліковано 23 жов 2020
- The NBA gives its Finals MVPs to players with a favorable narrative, and who are almost always on the winning team... but what if the award was given to the player who was simply the best player that series? This is the 2000s breakdown of just that.
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Who’s your biggest Finals MVP snub of All-Time?
Curry
curry man
Russell ‘69, Curry 2015
Possibly Larry bird in 1981 and Steph in 2015, but iguodala deserved it
@Chief Uchiha 39% trash
Tim Duncan had as many assists as blocks. Think about that.
Shaq had more blocks than assists
most big men werent passers back then it’s understandable
@@tymour681 but He had 5 blocks and assists while shaq had 2 assist and 2.7 or 2.8 blocks
@@exwhyzgaming8996 I know I just found a tricky loop hole in his comment 😂
@@brandonblahnik1238 not true. Their was alot of great passing bigs. They just didn’t pass for assist like guards. Duncan was one of the greatest passers of all time for any position, let alone bigmen. But bigs don’t get that same respect because it’s never showcased like their other skills. Look at Duncan, kg, Webber, sabonis, bosh, Shaq, Hakeem, wilt, Russell, pau, divac, Walton, Kareem, etc. all elite passing bigmen. The total numbers don’t showcase the actual skill itself.
Shaq “Google my finals numbers, Chuck” O’Neal
Shaquille "I had 3 finals mvp chuck" O'Neal
@@ceciladams4882 Shaquille “Got carried by Rick Fox” O’Neil I love you Shaq but Chuck got under your skin with that
I wish I had Kobe Bryant Dwyane Wade carrying me up and down the court
And Alonzo Mourning can’t forget him and Rick Fox😭😭😂
@@jaysenbustamante9926 Hahahahahahhaa
@@ceciladams4882 that one never gets old😂😭
Those Tim Duncan numbers are insane. 17 rebounds and 5 block? You could drop his PPG to 15 and those would STILL be MVP numbers. That's insane. And the 20/20/10/10* game may be one of the most dominant finals performances ever.
Yea Kobe even admitted that 2004 lost was on him
@Harry Engel yea he did but for a while he was tight with Lakers management because he wanted to he traded
@Harry Engel yea I remember that interview they played it to 7 o clock till Kobe Bryant said this was his team but,I understand his frustration with the Lakers at the time so it wasn't surprising. But glad he won 2 more Championships
Interesting the point about big men not being considered clutch, probably because longer distance shots appear more impressive, or maybe the paint tends to get crowded in the closing stages?
Big men weren’t considered clutch because of Free Throws I think
Well, there at a severe disadvantage on perception from the off. If you think about it, there's just not really anything particularly exceptional or spectacular about a big man scoring in the paint because it's generally accepted that it's a safe bet it'll be successful barring defensive interference. When a big man is going to be at his most clutch, it's on the defense to stop it, it's hardly even a matter of skill. It's when the big man can dodge and clear his way through heavily contested post defense where he appears most clutch, like Hakeem, and that kind of center is incredibly rare
@skynryd Jesus good point
2005 should go to Manu Ginobili, he came up clutch against the best defense in the league at that time
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Yea but wasn’t it a game 7 tho ?
Manu had the best series taking into account who he was but this isn't about players exceeding bars.. it's about who the best player was in the series.
You are beautiful
Tim Duncan was triple team and was the best defensive player in both team
Shaq was just a beast, Just like Jonny's videos😤
Just wait till 2010s comes out. LeBron will win 7/10 FMVPs
Shaq was definitely a beast, but Kobe got him tons of easy shots by drawing the defense and dishing. Hakeem, Robinson, and Ewing didn't have the luxury of playing with an all-time great guard in their primes.
@@exwhyzgaming8996 dude it already came out...
@@thsu8 I mean yeah, you could mention Drexler for Hakeem, he was still an All-Star player but the system was give it to Hakeem and if someones open dish it to him for a 3
@@exwhyzgaming8996 that vid already exists lmao
Thank you for mentioning Kobe's 2001 playoff run as a whole. And still to this day some people believed he got carried by Shaq. 2001 playoffs Afrobe was definitely Jordan-esqe
2001 shaq was most dominant, he was the only true finals mvp
@@smdideleted6327 Kobe murdered the whole 2001 postseason, especially when Shaq was in foul trouble.
@@smdideleted6327 Wdym "only true finals mvp"
@@usuitakumi8673 it was no competition for the finals mvp in 2001. Look at the stats
@@melvinhhcp3615 Kobe murder? No he did not , he played basketball . When it came to the finals ? He didn’t do nothin spectacular tbh look at the numbers
Shaq avg 27 &16 round 1
Round 2 shaq avg 33&17
Round 3 shaq avg 27 13 dude it was all sweeps , the clutch numbers don’t really mean anything game 3&4 when u up 2-0 lol come on n now
I never understood how KG didnt get the award. He was the teams defence and rebounding through out his carrier not just finals and his scoring was never that too far off from PP. PP = PeePeePooPoo
Because PP scored when they needed buckets, Kobe got hit by that BOS wall and PP outplayed Kobe in 2008
@@Richard-xo2uv bruh, he scored 3 more points than KG but you forgot that he played 7 more minutes than him.
Net rating: KG over Pierce
Offensive BPM: KG even higher than Pierce and Allen
Defensive BPM: KG easily
@@kingdinodragonite3470 All I'm saying is the reasoning behind the award. PP outplayed Kobe and that was enough in the media eyes.
Yeah that 2000’s Shaq...that’s a top 5 stat line in finals history easily. I can only think of MJs 93 finals. I would put above it.
2016 Lebron scored more points, grabbed more rebounds, dished out more assists, had more blocks and stole the ball more than all the players on his and the Warriors team. Impressive.
@@yobro6053 Lebron in my top 5 too homie. I just didn’t want to do a Bron MJ thing lol
@@leroyrodgers6089 exactly, good that you didn't.Everybody loves to compare the two of them.
16 Lebron has to be in there right?
@BIGmonkeys 23 I know but MJs 41 9 and 6 with 2 steals and a block is arguably as great especially when you think about the fact that Shaq was 7’2 300 pounds lol. Can’t go wrong with either one honestly.
Ray Allen could also make a case for Finals MVP as well in 08
I would say maybe KG
allen> toilet paul
Great video! Alot of people also think that Manu ginobili deserved the Fmvp in 2005
He did deserved it. Everyone who seen the finals 05 finals know manu was the mvp
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Emanuel ginobili the most underrated basketball player of all time,
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@@bryllesia ive been watching bball since 80s, to me manu is the most underrated player and also he is the GOAT 6th man. his passing and creativity, his effort were a thing of beauty. real nba fans know he will get his day in the hall of fame.
Agree with you in everyone. Except I think the 2005 FMVP was Ginobilli. In this list, and in reality.
Manu should have won 05. Timmy was being held back by the Wallace bros all series long, it was Manu who was their crunch time scorer and basically won them the series
@Andrew Chin Manu second leader in PPG, leader in AST and STL, and was de most efficient player with .636% true shooting
@@necro4143 Yes, thanks to the luxury of not dealing with Rasheed and Ben and disappearing on the road.
TD did it (and led in categories too, aside leading as a leader) and for the whole series, holding the team up.
You should make a “if there was a playoff mvp award” feel like that would be interesting
Thats what the award was every year. In 96 rodman could have won mvp based on his impact on the game but jordan won because he led the team through the playoffs. Pierce in 08 is the best example. 81 and 15 are the worst fmvps of all time
Never thought about that, good idea
I'm going to do that on my channel
Lebron would definitely dominate
Manu at least deserves a mention in 05 I think, same with ray in 08. Great video jonny
03 Duncan stats blew my mind. Sorry I kinda forgot about your greatness a little bit, TD
Manu deserved FMVP over Duncan in 05. Duncan had the worst eFg% of any FMVP winner that series. Manu was efficient and clutch
No word about Ginobili 2005 finals ?
I really dont know why they gave it to Pierce.
Garnett is clearly their best player.
Fax
@Alexander Melnikov agreed. I said during the closeout game Allen was the best in that series.
Jonny, you're on point per the usual. I've got some substantial age on you, and I remember all of this live, and had the same thought process at the time, as you have laid out on this video. Also I really appreciate how accurate you are, regardless of what era it is that you are talking about. Keep up the great work. This is definitely my favorite NBA channel on UA-cam, and that's saying a lot, because my other favorites are outstanding as well.
This just shows how great Shaq was in his prime
I’m sad you at least didn’t mention Ginobili in 2005, he’s kinda considered the unsung MVP amongst Spurs fans.
He should’ve won it tbh
I really like these videos. As a fan since the early 90s and someone that has a deep love for basketball history before and since, I always replay this kind of stuff in my head. And I can honestly say living through it all you are spot on with every season
Bro your videos are so entertaining
Means a ton! Thanks for watching em :)
@@jonnyarnett also 2005 Manu
This is my favorite video of yours. Literally took every point I wanted to make and said it on screen.
And 5th for KOBE RIP 💜🖤💛🏁
After this series, can you do whole playoffs MVP for each season
Was wondering when this was gonna come out post video can’t wait!
???? 2005, ginobili deserve it.
Do you realize how big Duncan’s impact was defensively
@@ethanennis8 Just like how impactful Manu was offensively. But I'm perfectly fine with Duncan keeping it. It just bothers me that Manu wasn't even mentioned at all...
@@YXiao same bro
U don't think Tony Parker deserve the mvp final back in 2007
@@johnnymoreno5065 im a lifetime spurs fan. Tony is one of my heroes. But i dont think he deserved it.
"Whole lotta Shaquille O'neal. That's all it was, whole lotta Shaquille O'neal"-AI in 2001.
Always felt that way about the 2004 Lakers Pistons series.... And it pissed me off to no end I'm glad Kobe made up for it
Malone has no ring
Kobe sold LA out in 2004 😡
Lakers shouldn't even have been in the finals if not for the timer guy giving Derek fisher an entire second to shoot with .4 left on the clock vs Spurs.
Also really like your content! Keep up the good work 😃😃!
Pretty much the only series on youtube I've watched every episode of
Damn jonny....I been watching your channel forever and I never knew you were into gaming. Besides NBA videos, I watch a lot of retro gaming also. Lots in common brother!!
Please do an MVP playoffs awards
Yes! That would be awesome!
tbh it would be boring. LBJ and MJ would have like 60% of them through 90's to 2010's.
2005 MANU Deserve the Finals MVP
2005 should go to Manu Ginobili, he came up clutch against the best defense in the league at that time
@@devenmccullough1733 Facts
38 and 17 would be a huge finals now, back then it was simply mind boggling. Prime Shaq was very much unstoppable.
Manu should have gotten a mention at least in 05 imo
Didn't realize Shaq was this good!! He's insane.
This channel’s videos are all MVPs and they keep their MVP no matter who we stack them against 🙌🙌🙌🙌
Thanks Hendrick! You supporting my channel means more than you know
Great series :) I love watch those movies :)
Wilt Chamberlain had 3 quadruple doubles in the playoffs including one in the 1967 Finals. It is a shame the NBA didn't keep track of blocks during Wilt's career.
If they kept track of blocks and steals he'd definitely have averaged a triple double and might have averaged a quadruple double for his entire career. He was most likely closer to 20 blocks per game than 10 in his prime and it's basically a guarantee he averaged more than 10 for his career with his peers estimating his career average was 12-14 and with him averaging a recorded 8.8 for the last 113 games he played. Steals would have most likely looked similar.
Johnny with the Bangers!😈
Thank you for briefly mentioning 2001 Playoff Kobe. He was a complete animal during that postseason... Also, it should be mentioned that the Lakers were missing both Malone & Horace Grant during the 2004 Finals, meaning they had no depth at PF vs. all star Rasheed Wallace. This made a huge difference in how the offense was ran, not to mention the impact on defense. In addition, Gary Payton was getting abused on defense. Kobe had to play both Billups & Rip Hamilton during various stretches during that series because GP couldn't keep up with Chauncey, hence Billups getting FMVP. This is probably why Kobe shot so bad in those 5 games. Recall, he was being guarded by Rip, Tayshaun, and Chauncey. To your point though, he could've shared the ball a bit more with Shaq.
Yea but Kobe didn’t do that in 2001 finals . Shaq Earned all those . Kobe didn’t deserve any of em ttbh
@@smdideleted6327 Kobe was injured one game both in the 2000 & 2001 Finals. 2002 he deserved it. Shaq was playing against 2 nobodies, Todd MacCollough & Jason Collins. They weren't any competition for him. Kobe went against Kidd, Kittles, and RJ, while guarding all 3 on defense.
Was payton not “the glove” anymore that time?
@@inotrinidad7262 no he was at the very tail end of his career I belive as was Karl Malone
@@melvinhhcp3615 Kidd is a point guard the other 3 is trash 🤦🏽♂️ , Kobe didn’t deserve any of em .
Vs philly he played vs DPoY and he didn’t deserve it ? I don’t understand . Kobe was great but he was not the single best player like LeBron James did for all 4 and Jordan did for all 6 rings Kobe did not do all 3,
Amazing!!
who are we (kidd)ing😂
Yaaay J-Kidd in one of your vids :)
I would lose my shit if I see "Who would have won the Finals MVP before 1969."
You should plug your gaming channel a bit more and switch up the style to video essay-esque like these vids. You’re well spoken and good at painting a narrative. Imagine a historical view on the release of your favourite games or a deconstruction of their narrative. Think it would suit your content greatly :)
Hi man, you should consider using true shooting instead of fgp as it records efficienty more accurately. Keep up the good work!
Damn, Shaq’s numbers were insane.
honestly the 2004 pistons championship is the greatest championship in my book, as they didn't have a true "superstar" to dominate and lead them to victory. all they had was a bunch of stars that had amazing team chemistry and won the nba finals as a team against the powerhouse lakers, who did look like they were on the decline as a whole.
Great Vid! Keep it up!
New series idea. Post season MVP throught the decades
"Dwayne Wade put the Heat on his back..." and the refs put Wade on theirs. 34ppg isn't that great when he was averaging 20+ FTs a game, in some of the most ridiculous calls this side of 2002 Kings being robbed. Historically asterisk worthy.
stop crying
Yup. Those 2 series were sickening to watch. So one-sided.
Don’t talk basketball
@@saygoodnighttothebadguynope
@@jasonmoukala8909 yup
Tony Parker !! 🔥🏀🇫🇷🏀🔥
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Jonny I love your videos
Thanks David! Without people like you watching em, I wouldn't be making em. You the real MVP
I only disagree with the Garnett one. As much as I HAAAAAAAAAAATE Paul Pierce I'd have given it to him or Kob over Garnett.
You brought up something interesting that I think is worth mentioning. Kobe in the last two of Shaqs 3peat had amazing playoffs overall but Shaq outdid him in the finals. Down the line in like 2021, I think a cool idea could be who you think would deserve the hypnotical "Playoffs MVP". Not just the Finals. But only include players from teams that went all the way. Just a thought I had. Great video, big fan.
NBA commissioner hinted at a playoff mvp after giving lbj the fmvp this season saying that Lebron will probs have a trophy named after him and the playoffs mvp just makes sense
garnett basically carried the defense in those finals
I think you don’t understand how incredible KG’s defense is.
He has the highest net rating in the Celtics.
He also has the highest OFFENSIVE BPM (yes, even higher than Allen and Pierce because of his gravity in the paint)
By far the best DEFENSIVE BPM.
Btw, KG played for only 38 minutes. Paul Pierce played 42 minutes.
Big 4 Rajon Rondo's performances against the Heat had people talking about a playoffs MVP before
You said playoffs M.V.P.So the A.B.A. had it right.
I got an idea. Could you make a video saying “What if there was a playoffs mvp” this award wouldn’t replace the finals mvp and it would go to the best player performance in the entire playoffs.
Shaq was such a monster, just insane.
great video and i liked how you had super mario 64 in your intro thats my childhood game
Props to you being a fellow laker fan 🤜🏾
i love how at 14 min he says only 22 points as if a 20 point game against one of the best defenses of all time in the finals is some sort of embarassing chokeout, the efficiency was pretty bad tho
That's the bad part, the efficiency. He wasn't even near 40% efficiency which is absolutely terrible
Soooo, you're saying in 2004 Kobe decided, before the series, that he was going to be the Finals' MVP, failed miserably (although he was the only Laker that didn't give up in game 2, the only game they won), then in the off-season decided to blow up the team forcing the Lakers to choose between him or Shaq and Phil. Hmmmm
Agree for list, great content
Duncan should of won in 07. He lead the team in 4/5 categories and was the second leading scorer behind Parker while also anchoring their defense and limiting Lebron's slashing ability. He had way more influence on winning than anyone else.
Noo Parker was 🔥🔥🔥🔥 in this series Tony deserve the Final MVP
Parker was fire in 07, u are crazy
Nah Parker was fire in that finals
After watching almost all your vids i finally disagree o something. Manu ginobili should have been atleast mentioned for the 2005 finals. Played better than both duncan and billups and Duncan is my all-time favorite player. Look at the statistics again
kobe fans saying always his clutch but his shooting percentage is low
Because he draws so much defense and literally was given the ball with like 4 or 5 seconds left people forget that
Even in death, there are still people who would slander Kobe to no end.
@@trigga6895 Idk about that. His overall stats in game 7s are pretty terrible. Not just for the last 4 or 5 secs.
awesome video
It's crazy that 26 pts at 63%fg is containing Shaq
“ He was the most inefficient out of all of the All-Stars.” That’s because the rest of the All-Stars were on the other team!
He wasn't even the most inefficient. Kevin Garnett was.
Garnett 42.9fg%, 42.9efg%, 47%TS
@@blacknetsmed kobe shot 40%
@@jhacebuckley5204 Kobe: efg 43.9%, TS% 50.5%. Garnett: efg 42.9%, TS% 47%
Garnett was the least efficient All-Star. That's why this guy's argument for Garnett to win Finals MVP is wrong. It was given to the correct player. Advanced metrics prove it.
@@blacknetsmed Advanced metrics says it’s KG bozo.
Who has the highest offensive box plus minus? KG
Who has the best defensive box plus minus? KG
Jason Kidd. Greatest modern playmaker. Not necessarily greatest PG, but greatest facilitator, leader and passer on 1
Detroit, Miami, and Boston were the only 3 teams to win the championship from the eastern conference 2000's... Jus goes to show how dominate the western conference eas/still is to this day!!
great vid.
Please make one of these for the 2010s
He made one like 4 weeks ago dude🤦♂️
I’m gunna say ai should have won the 2001 mvp in this but I am not mad it can easily go either way.
Yeah, AI gets it for being dominant with moreso of a talent based dominance, Shaq if you were to argue it for him should get it for a bully ball based dominance perspective
Pau Gasol should have won Finals MVP in 2010... Kobe won it and holds record for lowest shooting percentage of any person to win it in finals history (.405%)... Not that he deserved MVP, but Artest hit the big shot at the end of game 7. Kobe went 0 for 6 from 3 and 6/24 in the biggest game I’d his career... Kobe played well, in the series, but he never shot the ball over 50% one time during the series. And when you go look at the stats side by side, it’s amazing how close they are, but in my opinion Pau’s numbers are better (especially for the position difference) example Kobe has 1 more assist than Pau in the entire 7 game series... tell me which do you think is more likely, Kobe not passing the ball or Pau playing out of his mind distributing the rock? Again it’s close, but numbers side by side I give it to Pau. Kobe was just part of a narrative they were tryin to push to make him appear more like our generations Jordan...
Haven't even watched it but I know it fire
Was that just a face reveal
Where?
He's showed his face in older videos
Por impacto, Ginóbili debió ser MVP en 2005.
Obvio pa
Claro
Long awaited
1:20 intro skip
00 Shaq
01 Shaq
02 Shaq
03 Duncan
04 not Billups - Shaq
05 Duncan
06 Wade
07 Parker
08 not Pierce - Garnett
09 Kobe
Kobe was shooting 36% in the 2000 finals? god damn lool
Yeah, I probably should have given more context though. Kobe shot 46% in Game 1, and then badly rolled his ankle on Jalen Rose's foot in Game 2. He missed Game 3, and came back, but the ankle was never 100% through the series. That may have played a part in tanking his efficiency.
38% in 2004 wtf
@@rodbtw No Malone or Horace Grant, meaning disrupted offensive flow. He also had to guard both Chauncey & R.I.P. because Gary Payton was getting torched.
@@rodbtw what about brons 34% funny no metion of that and before u say he had no help what about 2011
@@alphagames8737 I'm not even a lebron fan why would you bring him up? The 2011 one he choked obviously on him and the spurs one he had like no help and he was young
2004 DIDNT HAPPEN THAT YEAR DOESNT EXIST 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭 pistons obliterated us it was hard to watch 😭
2004 lakers was horrible I'm sorry. Kobe n shaq relationship was toxic af and shaq gained weight instead of not working out anymore. I'll say kobe did his best the way he can. Karl malone was already old and out of his prime tbh along with Gary Payton. So yeah those four wouldn't won a championship without these problems arising.
If this year Lakers won Kobe and Shaq would be the best duo of all time probably. But everyone from the team wasn't motivated to play, Kobe and Shaq weren't like before and I'm really sorry about that. If they were cool whole the time maybe they would have 8 titles together. Kobe is my favourite player, but for me this finals in 2004 shouldn't happen, Kobe played like shit.
Averaging 5 blocks is outrageous 😲
Can we not see the fact TIM DUCAN AVERGE 5 BLOCK IN A SERIES
Shaq is def the most dominant player of all time wilt was known for not showing up in big moments and Shaq averaged 35 points on dikembe
Never shaq the most dominant just bigger than everybody else
@@bottomuptv9836 Shaq was already a top 3 center in the league in Orlando before he started putting on weight. He wasnt just a straight brute. Young Shaq was athletic and agile. You forget that there were several versions of Shaq. But I get it, you gotta put Shaq down to lift up Kobe. #HowTypical
@@Harun-cd6jz true. These kids..
Kobe shot the Lakers not that series. He was terrible.
Is it me or does Shaqs finals stats with the lakers look like 2k stat line
Are you gonna do the same series for DPOY ?
after watching this video i wonder how kobe is the closest thing to mj when out of 6 nba finals that he played during the 2000s which suppose to be his prime , he only played like an mvp in only one of them..
Cause closest to doesnt mean he's the second coming of
I'm interested to see his 90's finals mvp awards vid, in particular the 96 finals mvp, since I think Gary Payton and Dennis Rodman both have stronger finals mvp cases than Mj
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@@melvinhhcp3615 is something funny, have you watched the 96 finals
@@griffongaming4474 I remember it well
You sayin GP finals mvp over jordan? Are you high?😭😭🤣🤣
@BIGmonkeys 23 Rodman was the best rebounder of the 1996 NBA Finals. But you still have to score. And with that being said. Rodman provided little to no scoring. Kemp was the overall better performer. Scoring more, Rebounding very well in his own right. As well as providing shot blocking and shooting 56 percent from the field.
Joey arnett please do a video on top 5 players on each decade
damn yo shaq a beast
Damn Shaq in 2000 scored 38ppg while shooting 38% from the free throw line, damn if shaq could shoot like curry in that series he could easily average over 45 maybe even 50 in the finals
Tim duncan is overhyped offensively
*underrated
Under
Paul Pierce walking out that Wheelchair will never not be funny. Garnett was the defensive backbone of that team, but Paul Pierce was just scoring better
Correct answer is 2004 and 2005 is Ben Wallace and Manu ginobili