I would love to learn this technique of getting the tones right. I am a beginner in learning chinese and want to get it right from the beginning. Are the a "tune up your tones" 30day challenge available for self-study at any time? Thank you so much in advance. Greetings from Germany
@@monikaschuppler6490 We’ll do the challenge again in May 2025, but in the meantime, our Pronunciation and Accent Masterclass will teach the technique (and the tones) in depth, so I recommend that instead of waiting until May!
Any chance that this will be opened again for self paced study?!?!? I'm so crushed to see you guys are only planning on opening this up again next year
We’re still working out exactly how we’ll be doing these challenges, so things may change. But for now, we’re not planning to-it just requires a lot of work so it’s easier to keep it to one month. However, we did just announce a vowels/finals challenge for June. :) www.outlier-linguistics.com/products/june-vowels-challenge
@@OutlierLinguistics I saw that but man, tones are such a killer. What if you let some of your subscribers and early adopters vote on what challenges, maybe even a repeat? I'm thinking about the vowels but I feel so much more confident on all aspects of my pronunciation except tones. Maybe finals -n and -ng. Will finals on -n and -ng be included with vowel work? Will there be tone work overlap? Have you guys thought of a chorus challenge course?
@@Necronpc99 Chorusing is a very large part of these challenges. :) We will be doing -n and -ng finals, yes. All 38 finals, actually. Most people say there are 36, but of course there are three different -i finals, which usually get counted as one final because they’re spelled the same. And yes, there will be a little bit of tone overlap, though of course the focus will be on vowels and finals. And we always listen to feedback to decide what to do with our courses. We’re doing this stuff for you guys, after all. :)
I want to do this, but in July when I am on summer vacation. Any chance for another course then? Also, I would like someone from Outlier to spend a little time listening to me speaking Mandarin and helping me to prioritize areas for pronunciation- I need to prioritize speaking in a lower voice in general, or my 4th tone doesn['t start high enough. Can someone at outlier do this? I would definitely sign up for a July course, but I am too busy now. Thanks.
We won’t be offering this challenge in July, unfortunately. You can, however, sign up now and just do the work in July when you have time. You get lifetime access to the materials, so you can definitely complete everything later if you’d like. We will probably be doing a different challenge in July, but not the tone challenge!
It seems you re-released this video. I have a question about the "semantic satiation". I have experienced that satiation feeling in my native English quite a few times, but never in Chinese. I'm not sure my brain is occupied with word meaning when I'm speaking Chinese. I feel like I'm thinking a lot about the pronunciation, tone changes, intonation, flow etc. So I want to ask, are you convinced this semantic satiation happens when speaking a foreign language as well?
Yeah, the original video had a few minutes of silent black screen at the end-just an export error that I didn’t catch before posting. Well, the important thing here isn’t actually the semantic satiation per se, but rather, the fact that you can focus only on the sound rather than the meaning. So if you’re already not processing meaning when you hear the Mandarin, then you’re good as far as chorusing goes. But if you really aren’t thinking of meaning when you speak Chinese, but rather are focused on more mechanical things like pronunciation and tones, that would suggest to me that you haven’t done enough repetition to get those processes into your muscle memory yet. The goal is to not have to think about those things-you want to get to the point that they happen naturally without thinking, because you’ve practiced them so many times. Then you can focus on expressing yourself rather than on the mechanics of that expression. It’s sort of like a boxer thinking of body mechanics during a fight. If he’s thinking about his footwork and hip rotation and guard placement etc. in the middle of a fight, a) he’s going to lose the fight because he’s not focusing on his opponent, but b) it’s a sign that he hasn’t done enough technique work to not *have* to think about those things, so he can focus on the fight itself. Hope that helps! Lots of repetition/chorusing is my prescription. :)
@@OutlierLinguistics Thank you for the detailed answer! I see what you are saying now, thank you. I will continue the chorusing in the current course I'm taking and see where it gets me, and also try using it for more repetitive practice on tone combinations.
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #60 РОЖДЕНИЕ ЛОЛОЛОШКИ [Финал] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YoR0pAV9FVQ/mqdefault.jpg)
John eng zia dao, yang nev Mandarin duek du byao man ma jiud wao, nzie aen duo. ❤
I would love to learn this technique of getting the tones right. I am a beginner in learning chinese and want to get it right from the beginning. Are the a "tune up your tones" 30day challenge available for self-study at any time? Thank you so much in advance. Greetings from Germany
@@monikaschuppler6490 We’ll do the challenge again in May 2025, but in the meantime, our Pronunciation and Accent Masterclass will teach the technique (and the tones) in depth, so I recommend that instead of waiting until May!
Any chance that this will be opened again for self paced study?!?!? I'm so crushed to see you guys are only planning on opening this up again next year
We’re still working out exactly how we’ll be doing these challenges, so things may change. But for now, we’re not planning to-it just requires a lot of work so it’s easier to keep it to one month.
However, we did just announce a vowels/finals challenge for June. :)
www.outlier-linguistics.com/products/june-vowels-challenge
@@OutlierLinguistics I saw that but man, tones are such a killer. What if you let some of your subscribers and early adopters vote on what challenges, maybe even a repeat? I'm thinking about the vowels but I feel so much more confident on all aspects of my pronunciation except tones. Maybe finals -n and -ng. Will finals on -n and -ng be included with vowel work? Will there be tone work overlap? Have you guys thought of a chorus challenge course?
@@Necronpc99 Chorusing is a very large part of these challenges. :)
We will be doing -n and -ng finals, yes. All 38 finals, actually. Most people say there are 36, but of course there are three different -i finals, which usually get counted as one final because they’re spelled the same.
And yes, there will be a little bit of tone overlap, though of course the focus will be on vowels and finals.
And we always listen to feedback to decide what to do with our courses. We’re doing this stuff for you guys, after all. :)
@@OutlierLinguistics Registering now
@@Necronpc99 It’ll be a good time!
I want to do this, but in July when I am on summer vacation. Any chance for another course then? Also, I would like someone from Outlier to spend a little time listening to me speaking Mandarin and helping me to prioritize areas for pronunciation- I need to prioritize speaking in a lower voice in general, or my 4th tone doesn['t start high enough. Can someone at outlier do this? I would definitely sign up for a July course, but I am too busy now. Thanks.
We won’t be offering this challenge in July, unfortunately. You can, however, sign up now and just do the work in July when you have time. You get lifetime access to the materials, so you can definitely complete everything later if you’d like.
We will probably be doing a different challenge in July, but not the tone challenge!
Does the course also come with sound files for the chorusing training (like tonal pairs, etc....)?
Yes! And in PRC and Taiwan accents, male and female voices for each, so you can choose the voice/accent combo that most suits you.
It seems you re-released this video.
I have a question about the "semantic satiation". I have experienced that satiation feeling in my native English quite a few times, but never in Chinese. I'm not sure my brain is occupied with word meaning when I'm speaking Chinese. I feel like I'm thinking a lot about the pronunciation, tone changes, intonation, flow etc. So I want to ask, are you convinced this semantic satiation happens when speaking a foreign language as well?
Yeah, the original video had a few minutes of silent black screen at the end-just an export error that I didn’t catch before posting.
Well, the important thing here isn’t actually the semantic satiation per se, but rather, the fact that you can focus only on the sound rather than the meaning. So if you’re already not processing meaning when you hear the Mandarin, then you’re good as far as chorusing goes.
But if you really aren’t thinking of meaning when you speak Chinese, but rather are focused on more mechanical things like pronunciation and tones, that would suggest to me that you haven’t done enough repetition to get those processes into your muscle memory yet. The goal is to not have to think about those things-you want to get to the point that they happen naturally without thinking, because you’ve practiced them so many times. Then you can focus on expressing yourself rather than on the mechanics of that expression.
It’s sort of like a boxer thinking of body mechanics during a fight. If he’s thinking about his footwork and hip rotation and guard placement etc. in the middle of a fight, a) he’s going to lose the fight because he’s not focusing on his opponent, but b) it’s a sign that he hasn’t done enough technique work to not *have* to think about those things, so he can focus on the fight itself.
Hope that helps! Lots of repetition/chorusing is my prescription. :)
@@OutlierLinguistics Thank you for the detailed answer! I see what you are saying now, thank you. I will continue the chorusing in the current course I'm taking and see where it gets me, and also try using it for more repetitive practice on tone combinations.
Ok thanks