Dual Input SCART & VGA Card for Sony L-Series PVM's

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  • Опубліковано 5 лис 2024

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  • @VeeGeeA
    @VeeGeeA 3 роки тому +16

    Saw this and my daughter saw me light up with excitement. "You can use that on your tv right papa?" Shes learning why this community is so important to retro gaming. Amazing video Bob. Buying one real soon.

  • @LusRetroSource
    @LusRetroSource 3 роки тому +2

    I doubt I would ever take advantage of this, but I find this so cool! It's very interesting finding out what PVM's have to offer.

  • @Ty-sm9cv
    @Ty-sm9cv 3 роки тому +1

    Martin is such a great guy! I've had the pleasure of chatting with him a few times and he's way more humble than he has any right being.

  • @BerryZitoo
    @BerryZitoo 3 роки тому +4

    This is awesome news ! and a great video, I'm definitely picking one up for my 20L5.

  • @chriswy697
    @chriswy697 3 роки тому +1

    I don't even have a PVM but stuff like this is awesome! Also, I wish once in a while that Bob would sprinkle in the heavy-metal rendition of the intro music that was used a few times in the past.

  • @ikeaaron
    @ikeaaron 3 роки тому +2

    This will finally help me get my emulation machine connected easily!

  • @racer4200
    @racer4200 3 роки тому +1

    OMG yes! Prayers have been answered! Thanks for letting us know Bob.

  • @Izquierda
    @Izquierda 3 роки тому

    RGBS via the D-Sub15 connector is what makes this so awesome for me. I hope Martin will eventually revise the JVC input card board with D-Sub15 connectors as well, or a dual one like this.

  • @bovinedevine2715
    @bovinedevine2715 3 роки тому +1

    great video as always Bob....just preordered one for my 14L5 and will def simplify the setup!

  • @wg8561
    @wg8561 2 роки тому +1

    Excellent video. I just preorderd for my 14l5. I hope he will make them for the D series eventually.

  • @vaciope4212
    @vaciope4212 3 роки тому +2

    I just ordered one. I’m so excited! :)

  • @Wilberon_McBane
    @Wilberon_McBane 3 роки тому +2

    Don't even have one of these monitors and it's still a brilliant and interesting watch!!! 😂 (Do have a cool HP Pavilion MX70 that I bought for £6 that is giving me a lot of enjoyment at the moment) Yet another stonking video Bob. Keep 'em coming mate! 👊😎

    • @bowi1332
      @bowi1332 3 роки тому

      I'm a LCD person myself.

  • @RetroTechUSA
    @RetroTechUSA 3 роки тому +9

    Good Stuff Bob!

  • @H6rdc0re
    @H6rdc0re 3 роки тому +2

    Hey Bob. Great video as always. Just one thing when running RGBS with a direct connection from Mister FPGA to the D-sub connector on the input card the jumper on VGA PWR on the Mister FPGA should be set to not send voltage. I don't know about RGBHV but with RGBS you don't want to send 3.3v or 5v. It might damage the input card in the long run. That's information I got from Will himself from Retro Upgrades.

    • @martinhejnfelt6058
      @martinhejnfelt6058 3 роки тому +1

      This shouldn't relate to the latest versions where pin 9 should be disconnected. As far as I know, at least Castlemanias batch should be fixed. It is of course sound advice in any case, just to be sure :)

    • @retroupgrades5882
      @retroupgrades5882 3 роки тому +1

      Our current batch (only a few remaining) will ship with pin 9 "manually" disconnected. For any future batches, we'll use Martin's latest design which has pin 9 already disconnected on the board design.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      Yup, as Martin and Will already confirmed, this is not an issue at all with the production versions I link to.

  • @jongeo
    @jongeo 2 роки тому +1

    Not to mention 640x480 from a PC works just fine. I'm finally able to watch all the anime I've legally backed up on my NAS!

  • @mello_yello_man
    @mello_yello_man 2 роки тому +1

    I am excited to get one of these for my L2 just to have another input so I don't have to change the wires every time I want to swap from my MiSTer to the PS2 or anything else

  • @sixtyfps
    @sixtyfps 3 роки тому +1

    We love you, Bob!

  • @demonboyjr4915
    @demonboyjr4915 3 роки тому +2

    This is badass, but such a shame I can’t have 2 input boards. If I didn’t already have a 129x for easy Component/Scart swapping this would be an immediate buy from me. I might get a hold of one anyways just in case, you never know.

  • @daty2k1
    @daty2k1 3 роки тому

    That BKM-68x replacement tease 😄

  • @-dash
    @-dash 2 роки тому

    I’d love to try that Wii VGA mod with this. Heck, I’d love to try Melee netplay with this too. This is so cool.

  • @bowi1332
    @bowi1332 3 роки тому

    Nice work, RetroRGB! (I'm definitely not a CRT person though... 😅)

  • @sixtyfps
    @sixtyfps 3 роки тому +1

    I wonder if I will ever see something like this for my Ikegami. I never hear about them, though, so I'm going to guess the market is vanishingly small 😂
    HTM-2070R specifically. My beloved BNC baby...

  • @johndee759
    @johndee759 3 роки тому

    This is awesome! We’ll hear about the price, soon.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      Price is currently $115, but that will surely change: retrorgb.link/129xdual
      It might go up a bit more for the next batch due to part shortages, then drop in price next year when things get better. That's all speculation though...who knows what will happen with part cost ;/

  • @PuzzoMolto
    @PuzzoMolto 2 місяці тому

    Man, I'm having so much trouble getting this to work at all on my 20L5 :( it sees the card and reports the model correctly (no serial number?) but no video, no matter how much I fiddle with the switches on the card and RGB/COMP and EXT Sync options.

  • @Deltax5
    @Deltax5 3 роки тому +1

    Pretty cool.
    Are there alot of these pvm's to have hole card like this custom?
    I haven't even got a chance in getting a pvm. Id of course look for the full package with it restored and cleaned.
    I don't have no space.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      No, because most other model PVM’s have input cards that are cheap and available. Maybe someday, someone will fork Martin’s project and make these cards for other monitors though!

  • @Evercade_Effect
    @Evercade_Effect 3 роки тому +1

    Cool geeky stuff!

  • @yeolemillinial8295
    @yeolemillinial8295 Рік тому

    i run into an issue if i use y cables to say, add audio from two sources sometimes where one console may not push audio through it at all if another consoles is plugged in but in most console combos it tends to work that way.

  • @zackpetrovic3029
    @zackpetrovic3029 3 роки тому

    Now just need it for the D24, and was the end a hint for A-series RGB card?

  • @LXXero
    @LXXero 3 роки тому

    damn I was really hoping you'd be able to switch between the two inputs with "option a" and "option b", i'd always assumed option B would be for a second card slot, but i guess not?? who knew.
    I actually have an original BKM-129X, i tracked it down shortly after i bought my 20L5, but that was like 6-7 yrs ago now. I'm guessing the originals are hard to come by now, thus all these clone cards...
    Not sure this buys me much beyond my existing setup, I have a separate sync-combiner and an SCART->BNC cable with audio breakouts, although having a proper SCART with the audio out jack is kind of nice I suppose. Although with my separate sync combiner, i can plug a sync-combined VGA source onto my SCART switcher and auto-switch, seems like with this setup you'd be manually hitting that switch to go between inputs. Not horrible, but not perfect. Hmm I'm still tempted for some reason though....

  • @jd213_
    @jd213_ 3 роки тому

    Hope it's possible to get a JP-21 version of this, but if not I guess I can get or make a converter cable. Also, I'm guessing the L5 PVMs will still unfortunately force the picture to letterbox for 720p/1080i, so it won't quite be as good as a VGA monitor in that regard

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому

      The L5 can accept a 4:3 480p signal, as well as 16:9 signals from 480p, 720p and 1080i. So, depending on your use this, you might call this better than a VGA monitor.
      Also, I'd recommend using a JP21 converter cable. The project is open source, so you could always re-built the board if you'd like.

    • @jd213_
      @jd213_ 3 роки тому

      @@RetroRGB Well, I can adjust my VGA monitor to 16:9 if I want, but at least it doesn't force it like the PVM does for systems like the AVS, but I have a real Famicom for the PVM so it's no big deal.
      So if I wanted to make my own JP-21 version of the 129x Dual input card, would I just send the gbr files to a PCB maker, then solder in the parts myself? Never done something like that, but I think I can handle it.

  • @dylanjastle
    @dylanjastle 3 роки тому +2

    Damn, now I want a multiformat monitor more /:

    • @lulkLogan
      @lulkLogan 3 роки тому

      You might not, actually. The scanlines are a lot thinner on the 20L5, kinda like a big PC CRT monitor, because they were designed primarily for 480p, 720p, and 1080i.
      So while it's nice to have for 480p consoles like the Wii, I think a lower-res PVM, like a 20L2 or 20M2, are much better for 240p.

    • @dylanjastle
      @dylanjastle 3 роки тому

      I have heard this from a few people. 480i also apparently looks a lot more flickery because of the separation of the scanlines. My purpose for a multiformat monitor would be for 480p and 720p though. I have 240p/480i solutions I’m happy with

    • @lulkLogan
      @lulkLogan 3 роки тому

      @@dylanjastle Don't sleep on PC CRT's for 480p and above.

    • @dylanjastle
      @dylanjastle 3 роки тому

      For sure. I have a couple pc crts and a scalar to act as the poor man’s bvm. But I haven’t found one with the contrast and colors to leave me all the way satisfied with high res stuff

    • @PixelPhoenix
      @PixelPhoenix 3 роки тому +1

      @@dylanjastle Make no mistake - 240p on a 20L5 is excellent. I'm not sure why the other user would state otherwise. The primary talk regarding the 20L5 comes from 480i with spacing between fields. Thinner scanlines (higher line count) honestly comes down to preference, and most folks seem to prefer 600 lines as opposed to the 20L5's 800, which is totally fair. Some folks think 800-1000 (BVM range) is too sharp, others think 600 is not sharp enough. It's all preference in the end.
      It is theorized the reason for 480i field spacing is its multiformat capability, but I don't think anyone has *technically* proven that. 240p is just fine.

  • @BRJedi
    @BRJedi 2 роки тому

    I picked up two of these from Retro Upgrades in the UK.. just a warning HVSYNC does not fully work on these cards, they cause distortion and waves in the top of the image. The CSYNC input for VGA does work if you can send that type of signal to begin with. But I bought this to hopefully just take a VGA output from a PC and it's not usable.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  2 роки тому

      I'm sorry, but that's just not true. Did you watch the part of the video that explains why you'll get sync issues and how it directly relates to the MONITOR and not the input card? Also did you press the button to toggle between the two settings?

  • @aarongarza4769
    @aarongarza4769 3 роки тому

    Where is the interview video with Martin? Don’t see it on your channel.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому

      The interview will be public tomorrow. I have to release only one thing at a time, or UA-cam will push me farther down in the algorithm than I’ve already been banished to :)

  • @Andrew-dy7oy
    @Andrew-dy7oy 3 роки тому

    Man, the UK seller has the scart version for the equivalent of about $83. That's quite the markup for a US seller. Also, those cheap RCA to BNC connectors are 50 Ohm a lot of times. I am not sure if that matters or not and maybe that's what you meant by it only mattering for an oscilloscope. The good ones you link are 75 Ohm I think.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому

      The Dual has two inputs, with a different circuit on it, manufactured during a global part shortage. That’s not a “markup”, that’s the proper cost of the more advanced model.

  • @HydraSpectre1138
    @HydraSpectre1138 3 роки тому

    Do these work for D-Series BVMs?
    Also, are there similar homebrew input cards for Composite and S-Video (both PAL and NTSC)?
    And lastly, what is the maximum resolution and refresh rate supported by the D32E1WU in both HD-SDI and VGA? And does the A32E1WU and D32E1WU perform similarly?
    Does it support PS3 at 1080p 24Hz?

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      In the order you asked:
      - No
      - No
      - 720p & 1080i
      - The A's are more of a pain, but they're still great
      - No

    • @cheeseburger7889
      @cheeseburger7889 2 роки тому

      @@RetroRGB can you explain why the a seris was seen as better in its day

    • @ph8808
      @ph8808 Рік тому

      @@RetroRGBhow does it not work for D series bvms?

  • @chadwolf3840
    @chadwolf3840 3 роки тому

    so cool. i assume this won't work with my bvm-d24?

  • @animedvdblu-raypreviewguy1331
    @animedvdblu-raypreviewguy1331 3 роки тому

    I wonder if a PMV is capable of showing movies and TV shows or hell, satellite/cable television.

    • @Wertercat
      @Wertercat 3 роки тому +1

      I've seen people watch classic 480i or 480p anime on a PVM/BVM, and it's a pretty stunning look

  • @troyboy8179
    @troyboy8179 2 роки тому

    I pre-ordedred July last year and still do not have mine. Has anyone else been receiving there's?

    • @pjs1975101
      @pjs1975101 2 роки тому

      I just got mine 2 days ago. About a month ago I filed a complaint via there website, but all I got was a ticket number, no human contact. Hope you get yours soon.

  • @totalprocall6894
    @totalprocall6894 3 роки тому

    Purchased this from retroupgrades in the UK and i get no picture. Just black screen. I have checked the installation 3 times over for good contact etc, checked menu settings for rgb, and checked my toggle switches are in the right positions(top switch pushed in for csync and bottom switch pushed out for scart). Nothing...i have a Sony PVM14L3 if anyone has any idea's?

    • @martinhejnfelt6058
      @martinhejnfelt6058 3 роки тому

      The top switch has no effect on SCART as that is inherently a composite sync coming in. A black screen sounds like the middle switch isn't in the correct position, did you try to like push it a little in and out while everything is on, to see if you can get *something* to show up?

  • @The.One.True.B
    @The.One.True.B 5 місяців тому

    I can’t get an MS-DOS machine to show up through the VGA input of this card am I missing something?
    When I set to RGB on Option A input everything is wonky colors also

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  5 місяців тому +1

      MS DOS is often 70Hz, which won’t work on any PVM.

    • @The.One.True.B
      @The.One.True.B 5 місяців тому

      @@RetroRGB gotcha I can run it through a VSC 500 but I have to adjust the size and position by hand, and can’t utilize some other parts of my setup since I’m skipping them

    • @The.One.True.B
      @The.One.True.B 5 місяців тому

      @@RetroRGB I’ve been struggling to try and get an x486 machine and a Commodore 64 working on a PVM

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, you'd be better off getting any VGA CRT monitor for the PC's and use the PVM for consoles. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE PVM's...it's just different tools for different uses.

    • @The.One.True.B
      @The.One.True.B 5 місяців тому

      @@RetroRGB I’ve picked up a couple VGA to SCART adapters and other such things because essentially I just need everything to run RGB into SCART connectors for an ideal setup. Is that just not really a thing and those adapters are for different use cases?

  • @SNEScapade
    @SNEScapade 3 роки тому

    Don't PVMs have Option A/Option B buttons to select between inputs on an input card? Is there a reason why a switch on the card itself was used instead of that?

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому

      Good question: Adding that option to this card would require an FPGA to communicate with the monitor's controls...and that would add a LOT more work and cost to the project. Doubling the price of the card, just to enable the front "Option B", instead of the rear button doesn't seem worth the effort...and you'd still need to toggle the sync combiner in back anyway. It's an open-source project though, so anyone's able to give it a try if they want.

    • @SNEScapade
      @SNEScapade 3 роки тому +1

      @@RetroRGB That makes sense. It's still a really cool card. I'd definitely be getting one if I didn't already have a BKM-129X.

  • @JustPako_zZ
    @JustPako_zZ Рік тому

    Can it be used like a vga monitor on modern pc, using Vga adapter??

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  Рік тому +1

      Yes, BUT - You need to make sure your monitor can handle 640x480p (31KHz) before doing that. The L5-series PVM's can, but other model PVM's won't be able to.

    • @JustPako_zZ
      @JustPako_zZ Рік тому

      @@RetroRGB Thank you, i love CRT and i'm collecting a lot of info to buy a Good Crt monitor. PVM's have a good dot pitch?? or looks like a standard Television tube??

  • @chchris25
    @chchris25 3 роки тому

    Does it degrade the image quality with those component adaptors?

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      Nope, as long as you get decent adapters. The ones I showed in the video work great though.

    • @chchris25
      @chchris25 3 роки тому

      @@RetroRGB I couldn’t find the link for the scart adapter on your Amazon list. Could you share the link?

  • @VeeGeeA
    @VeeGeeA 3 роки тому

    Could you in theory put VGA from a computer into a Sony L5 at utilizing this card? Because a PC uses RGBHV is that correct?

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      Yes, that works fine. I've used my L5 as a "PC VGA monitor" with this quite often.

    • @VeeGeeA
      @VeeGeeA 2 роки тому

      @@RetroRGB Hello again! Proud owner now but there seems to be an issue when I plug in VGA. The PC is currently at 800x600 but the TV itself is displaying at 720p. Have you ever seen that problem? Ive tried changing resolutions to no avail. Any suggestions?

  • @bubbadmatt8124
    @bubbadmatt8124 3 роки тому

    Would this design be adaptable for something like say a 32" bvm?

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому

      No, since each series BVM uses a different input card. The project is open source though, so maybe someone will fork it and create on for the D's?

  • @nachobeard
    @nachobeard 3 роки тому

    I enjoyed this video DESPITE the likelyhood of me being able to find let alone afford an L5 is below zero :/

  • @gusse8135
    @gusse8135 2 роки тому

    Dumb question, but would this work for my Pvm-14l4?

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  2 роки тому

      It says right in the description that it will work with an L-series PVM. And I show it in the video.

  • @mickythai3119
    @mickythai3119 2 роки тому

    Hi guy, I have a sony pvm-14l2md model, it will works fine? because I saw that sony pvm-14l2md doesn't support vga resolution...

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  2 роки тому +1

      You're correct - This will work, but only with 15KHz resolutions. The "VGA style" connector might still be handy though.

  • @sunsets1n639
    @sunsets1n639 3 роки тому

    Would I be able to use this on a 14L2?
    I'm thinking of using this card to turn my pvm into a monitor via the VGA port for my desktop pc while I'm not using it for retro gaming. Is this something I can do? What problems might I expect?

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      No. And yes. So, this WILL work in your L2, however that's a 15KHz only monitor, so you can only use 240p or 480i resolutions. Even though the dsub port looks like VGA, it's up to the monitor to decide if it works...and only the L5 can accept 480p.

  • @Wertercat
    @Wertercat 3 роки тому

    Does it support 50Hz PAL signals?

    • @martinhejnfelt6058
      @martinhejnfelt6058 3 роки тому +2

      PAL is a color encoding scheme used with composite video and S-Video. The BKM-129X is a RGB/YPbPr card, and all the monitors that support the card should be able to do 50Hz RGB/YPbPr signals.

  • @alextirrellRI
    @alextirrellRI 3 роки тому

    Is there a link to the open source project? I'm having trouble finding it.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      Hahaha, oh crap, I forgot to post the links! I'll try to remember that when I get home. Thanks for the heads up.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому

      github.com/skumlos/bkm-129x-scart-vga

  • @piwy2567
    @piwy2567 3 роки тому

    Can I use 480p via VGA on a 20L4? not L5.

  • @Cronnu
    @Cronnu 3 роки тому +4

    Imagine having a 20L5

    • @RideRedRacer
      @RideRedRacer 3 роки тому

      i have one i never use. its too small for me. i prefer the 27" trinitron

  • @chchris25
    @chchris25 2 роки тому

    Does it work with option B?

    • @martinhejnfelt4799
      @martinhejnfelt4799 2 роки тому +1

      Nope, unfortunately not. There is no information sent from the monitor about this (as the BKM-129X is inherently "single channel"). Thus switching between VGA and SCART is done manually.

    • @chchris25
      @chchris25 Рік тому

      That’s unfortunate. I wanted to set Option A as component and Option B as RGB.

  • @chchris25
    @chchris25 3 роки тому

    Will this work on the 14L2?

    • @bruce_just_
      @bruce_just_ 3 роки тому +1

      came here to ask this question!

    • @martinhejnfelt6058
      @martinhejnfelt6058 3 роки тому +1

      It should (the original card was made for L2's originally) but you'd only be able to use 15kHz signals, so the VGA port will only be for ease of connectivity (like for MiSTer).

  • @ShawnxPerez
    @ShawnxPerez Рік тому

    Hello does this work for Sony Trinitron PVM-20L2MD ? it appears to have a removable input board for this

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  Рік тому

      It should. But the L2's don't support 480p, so you'd mostly be using it with the SCART input.

  • @johndee759
    @johndee759 3 роки тому +2

    Awe I thought the L5 had two inputs.

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +3

      Lol, me too! I was bummed when I opened the back panel and saw only one slot.

    • @johndee759
      @johndee759 3 роки тому +1

      @@RetroRGB it’s so great to be an L5 owner. It keeps giving back.

  • @CollinKenny
    @CollinKenny 3 роки тому

    cool

  • @aaronwelsh33
    @aaronwelsh33 3 роки тому

    so you are saying now is a good time to get a relatively cheaper A series bvm before the next card causes the price on them to go up?

  • @lulkLogan
    @lulkLogan 3 роки тому

    Ugh, I wouldn't even show people how to hook up audio to the PVM. It's a travesty to put that much work into getting flawless video only to go with the crappiest possible audio

    • @RetroRGB
      @RetroRGB  3 роки тому +1

      I think context is important. I use my L5's speakers every single time I connect a console...BUT...it's usually one of two things:
      - Testing a console for a video/review and I just need sound to know it's working.
      - Setting up for a stream/gaming session. This lets me get everything set up, then either switch to headphones, or my stereo for actual gaming.
      ...and one last scenario: Some games just have crappy audio. I'd never bother setting up my Atari 2600 through a stereo, or a few random other consoles/games. There's just no point, plus the TV's those games were designed to be played on had worse speakers than the PVM.
      So, while I understand your point, I'll never exclude some tips, just because everyone won't agree. There's always a use case scenario that works.

    • @Andrew-dy7oy
      @Andrew-dy7oy 3 роки тому

      @@RetroRGB Yeah, I use the speaker when I play NES. It only outputs mono anyway and sometimes it just seems more nostalgic for whatever reason to hear those old games through a little speaker like that.

  • @tommyzorera
    @tommyzorera 3 роки тому +1

    Please stop putting apostrophes in plurals.