Morphagene VS Arbhar
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
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This is exactly the topic I was looking for. Very detailed overview. Thanks!
I'm glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
Finally received my Arbhar today, tried some patching and have been blown away for at least an hour.
Oh wow, I envy you... I will never forget the first time I used it, just recording some wooden toys into it. Bliss!
This may be my next module! Fascinating
"oh Yeah" ....I agree Excellent comparison and upload. Thanks for your time, expertisé and energy
I'm glad you enjoyed it! Thanks!
The Nebulae V2 default granular in freeze mode is more similar to Arbhar than Clouds in my opinion. Nebulae doesn't have the fancy interface (having to hold the key for 'alternative'), but nicer audio quality, stereo input and longer buffers. Both are powered by Raspberry Pi (Arbar has a Raspberry Pi compute module, similar to Korg Wavestate).
Another great video Omri and congratulations on 10K subscribers!!!
Hey, thank you!
oh yeah, i need a morphogene. great side by side comparison Omri!
Sweet! Cheers :)
I love my Morphagene... since the new firmware even more (revers morph chords!!!)... Big up Omri!
Yes, this new feature is great!
You know how to make our juices flowing! Extremely looking forward to this.
Damnit... Morphagene is now on my list. Great demo. Very tasteful sample choice and manipulation. Thanks
Morphagene is my first love...
Really beautiful modules. The left one, with the cool color effects reminds me of audible instruments texture synthesizer.
Yes, exactly, I also compare it at the end of the video to it. Clouds is the Texture Synthesizer in VCV.
very interesting and well done! i just disovered the instruo modules a few weeks ago, they have some really useful stuff and i love how they look!
Yeah, and they are really high quality also, and their packaging is magnificent!
yes.. Instruo modules are things to aspire to... lusting is fun.. but for how long before the wallet comes out... .. Bolting the door.. I hear my bank manager knocking ;)))
@@OmriCohen-Music Ok OK.. I sold on the packaging. :P
This is the EXACT setup. ive been dreaming of - for years- throw in a Metropolis, a ZOIA - and im good to go,- Thanx Omri, for a sweet sweet little video,-
Oh man, yes, it's a fun one :) Cheers!
I have both and love them .. always remember to update your firmware, many new features!
I have a morphagene, unsure how to update the firmware though! What are the new features?
After wanting Arbhar, I almost questioned whether I even needed Morphagene. But now I see they are totally different modules, both totally unique in their own way. So, getting both makes perfect sense! Thanks for this perspective Omri!
Oh yes, they are quite different and yet work so well together. They really compliment each other. Cheers!
You're my 'go-to' guy for learning modular.
Hey, thanks so much!
@@OmriCohen-Music me too! Well explained and you also play them instead of just explaining stuff.
Great video Omri! Do you feel you also need clouds (assuming granular mode) and Arbhar? For me Arbhar seems like a high fi clouds. Would love to see a follow up video on Abhar vs Clouds (I bet a lot of people would as well)
Thanks! Well, yeah, I also think that Arbhar sounds much better, but Clouds has so many other modes and most of them are really interesting. But yeah, maybe a follow up video is a good idea :)
Arbhar vs Beads would be even better maybe since clouds officially is discontinued
Arbhar and Beads are definitely more hifi than Clouds and its derivatives,
but like many, i have embraced its limitations and still find beauty in that
crappy, lofi sound. sometimes you want that and nothing will do.
so i keep a Typhoon next to Beads and ultra hifi GR-1.
Arbhar i like a lot, but inaccessibility of usb slot and not having quick access
to various banks of six buffers, that you could switch per track, during a
longer performance was dissapointing. but this is about to change with
new firmware and usb expander. so Arbhar is in my sights again :)))
every „oh yeah“ makes me smile! 🤭❤️
Fantastic video! I really like how you focus on the character of the modules exploring the functions. I'm a happy Morphagene user and it seems like the biggest difference is which parameters are modulated internally. I don't know about Arbhar but Clouds falls behind in audio quality compared with Morpha and it's also a processor rather than a sampler.
Thanks! Yeah, exactly, Clouds and Arbhar are more of processors rather than samplers like the Morphagene. My first module was the Morphagene, and it's my first love...
Awesome thank you so much for your demo 💯 love your work
Thank you!
morphagene is my #1 in my top 10 fav modules of all times.....ohhhh yeah!! love you Omri my man!!!
Oh yes, Morphagene is the best! Cheers :)
Really nice video and very interesting modules, but... I just did a price check and they are €569 and €579 respectively. That's €1148 for both, and these are then un-housed, un-powered modules. Even if we accept they are good value, that's still a lot of money. Now, don't get me wrong, I have a very costly addiction to analog mono-synths, so would fully encourage people to pursue happiness and the art they want to create, but the value proposition for these modules is a somewhat lost on me.
Citizen Synth Value proposition is a very flexible term when it comes to music instruments. A grand piano can cost you more then 100k, a good concert guitar can set you back 10k, and you can easily spend 8k on a saxophone. Yet I would get way more happiness and use out of these 500 $ modules. It really depends on your needs and preferences, but in comparison I think synths are generally on the affordable side of music instruments.
@@XanderEwald Agreed and nobody said you should go buy them both at the same time either.
How many hours would you envision yourself creating with either or both of these modules? I could easily see myself spending 5 hours per week with the Morphagene. So how much is that costing me per hour over the course of the year? In about ten weeks I've paid the Morphagene off. What's the used price on a Morphagene? What if you reduced your cost per hour by eliminating other expenses.
@@brutecoan7975 Its exactly that don't think I would spend that many hours with them, that the value proposition seems off for me. I'm not a professional musician, so your "cost per hours enjoyment" thinking makes perfect sense to me, but there is also Opportunity Cost - money spent on these devices is money no longer available for other things.
@@XanderEwald But those vintage instruments will go up in price unlike the module
Can we get a video of you just saying arbhar please?
Record it... then pump it into both units...play and mange>>>>> satisfaction guaranteed . )))
Thank you so much for doing this. I just started my modular journey and try to get my head around a lot of things. I think the Morphagene suits my needs better, but the way you pronounce "Arbhar" makes me wanna have it! ;-)
Haha, yeah, it's harder to pronounce than it is to use and enjoy :) Let me know if you have any more questions or things you want to know about them. I'll be happy to try and help. Cheers!
@@OmriCohen-Music That is so nice, thank you very much! But you answered all questions I had perfectly in this video. I'm now checking out your other videos for some inspiration.
Great! Have fun :)
I love your ‘oh yeahs’ I was making the mistake of using it as a processor not a sampler; thanks 🙏
Thanks :)
Awesome! I was waiting for a video like this
Cheers!
I'll be there!
"Oh yeah!" Great video, thank you!
Glad you liked it, thanks!
Thats a great comparison between these two modules with two different results. I love my Morphagene but now I have an itch to get the Arbhar #ripwallet
Yeah, if you're into granular, Arbhar is for you...
Yes. You are correct. I need both. No question. Do you know any tricks for keeping the Morphagene pitch in the green? It seems like such a small slice of space, and mine seems to drift out of original pitch without me even touching the module. I must admit I haven't updated to the latest firmware. Perhaps that will solve the problem. Thank you for the video. Can't wait to get an Arbhar.
Yeah, that's a challenge with the Morphagene... I couldn't find any tricks to keep it at green, and it also happens to me that it moves by itself.
I and many others agree this.is a consistent irritation. The only solution I've seen is to remove the knob to prevent you from jiggling it.
"Oh Yeah!" Nice Comparison. Thanks. :)
Glad you liked it!
Fantastic walkthrough
Thank you!
top stuff, very enlightening, a really good review, thanks :-)
Glad you enjoyed it, thank you!
For me morphagene is always a starting point of the track. Great must have module. Still looking to get Arbhar. I think it is cool as well.
Yeah, Morphagene is very inspiring and great to get the creative juices going.
oh yeh....best demo ive seen...
Great comparison/review, thanks!
Still not sure which one I one day may buy, but that's not your fault. ;-)
Thanks! Yeah, it's not an easy decision...
LIke the new "and gals"!
Yes, why choose when you can have both :).
Totally!
C'mon, not everyone can afford to do that.. The less entitled answer would be what is your main outcome for having said module.... Let's be helpful not hedonistic.
@@apparently_sonam You're right. When I am totally honest I feel the Arbhar is an unneccesary investment when you have Clouds and a Morphagene. But I felt reluctant to write that. When you have a lot of acoustic stuff to experiment with, Arbhar would be a a very interesting option. And to be totally honest, I am hedonistic. ('It ain't much I am asking, I want it all and I want it now - Queen).
@@apparently_sonam Got one today after six months of patience. I can now say you GOT to have both. Video coming soon to prove my point.
Hey Omri, great video. I wonder if you could something similar for Beads vs Arbhar? Currently trying to decide between the two from what I've seen / read everyone seems to say beads is more of an effect whereas Arbhar is more a voice, but it seems to me there is a lot of overlap and Beads' freeze mode seems super powerful. Anyway, thanks for your videos!
Hi! Well, I sold Beads :) I couldn't really connect with it, to be honest... But Arbhar is much more of an instrument, and it's much much deeper. It's more for live recording and less as an effect so it depends what you're looking for.
Hey omri did you get v2? Could yiu do an update video on it. Im interested in arbhar but not sure im crazy about just grains. I love my morphagene very awesome. But everything you make with arbhar is magic so i got the gas lol
Hey, thanks! I updated mine, yes. I'm exploring other territories recently, though, so I didn't use Arbhar for quite some time, unfortunately...
@@OmriCohen-Music oh really how come? A lot of your videos i has arbhar in your rack so i figured that was one of your go tos. Is there another module replacing that for you by chance?
@@joeymc5272 to be honest, I don't think anything can replace Arbhar, since it is very magical and musical, but I wanted to let go of granular for a but and explore other directions. I'm not sure if you saw this already, but I have a whole channel dedicated to my music with eurorack, so you can see what I'm exploring at the moment 🙂 just look for Modular Fungi
can't wait for this vid, both are in my wish list. Just hope you don't make me buy both.
I don't know if you will buy both, but you will want both :)
@@OmriCohen-Music and the microcell now, :D
Nice job, thanks for the vid. Does the morphagene save your input gain setting between power cycles?
-thx
Yeah, I'm 99.9% sure it does, but maybe it's better to look at the manual and know for sure.
think the worst thing about the morphagene is the awful digital noise it produces,
Make a new video to compare Lubadh and Morphagene? Probably a closer comparison
You're right, they are more similar than the Arbhar and Morphagene but the whole purpose of this video was to show that Arbhar and Morphagene are not really the same thing. Many people asked me how they compare so I thought a video would be best.
> you need to have both the Make Noise Morphagene and the Instruo Arbhar.
RIP wallet
Hey man, I'm not going down alone... :)
@@OmriCohen-Music lol
Hiya Omri... nah, I don't need either... I'm pushing my system in other directions... However...another well presented break down and it is always a real pleasure to listen and watch as you explain things. Thanks... I have considered a clouds clone though ;))))
Yeah, I understand :) Cheers!
Why is Arbhar considered more of a granular processor? Due to short buffer size? What granular sampler functions does it lack?
Well, in comparison to the Morphagene, I won't call it a sampler, no. It will play back only up to 3 seconds of the sampled signal, and also the sampled signal is only 10 seconds long. I think of a sampler as something that will play the recorded signal from beginning to end by default, like the Morphagene does.
And yet we still have neither in VCV sadly :C simpliciter just doesn't cut it
Merci, great comparision
Cheers!
I was thinking of getting a second Moprhagene as I love it so much. On the other hand, I am wondering if getting the Arbhar would be a better option for the best of both worlds ?
Well, what is it you love about Morphagene? Maybe Lubadh is a better option?
@@OmriCohen-Music Maybe
I have seen so many people selling a Morphagene on eBay. They definitely didn't understand that module. I love my Morphagene and don't want to miss it in my case.
Well done!
Thank you so much!
I’d like to hear the Morphagene locked to a beat. Is that possible to quantize the cuts and grains to a click? I’d like to use it a sampler/looper for House Music.
Well, if you use the clock input of Morphagene, the rec will be synced to the clock so you can record in time. If you want to play in sync, you can use the play input and/or sequence the controls.
My increasing problem with Clouds is that a longer sample really has impact on the quality of the sound (8-bit µ-law, 16 Khz). How does it compare to the Arbhar, what is the (unfortunately mono) sample/sampling quality?
Well, the sample rate is 64kHz and 32 bit depth. It's mono as you mentioned, but to be honest, it doesn't really bother me, the results are anyway fully stereo and super interesting. Clouds is easier to work with in real time though so more of a processor rather than a recorder, and it has the other modes, of course. But if you're into granular manipulation, Arbhar is your friend...
Omri Cohen Thanks for the info. Is the output of the Arbhar in stereo as you seem to mention? I found out that I don’t use the other modes on Clouds really so the Arbhar ticks the boxes in terms of the extended time and sound quality so this will most probably replace my Clouds in the future.
Well, yes, it will pan the grains in the stereo field so it will output a stereo signal. Also with the built in reverb it's nice to have a stereo signal. The delay is not stereo though.
Omri Cohen Cool, reverb only will suffice 👍🏻
Hello
Which granular synth module will you recommend for real-time processing? I mean for example playing a guitar or other synths through module. Im not interested with recording it before live show, using samples and recording it during the live show and then playbacking. I'm looking for great granular module that i can plug in my instrument and get some interesting sounds. I'm using monsoon and it's great. I've also Nebulae but i think for my purpose of real-time processing, it's bad and i think it's better to use prepared samples before the show with nebulae so i want to sell it and buy another module. What you will recommned?
Hi! Well, monsoon is great actually. I have Microcell and I love it but it's pretty much the same as monsoon. There's Beads also so maybe that's an option but I'm not so sure how fitting it is for live performances. It has the auto gain, which is not the best for live, and the wavetable mode that can get quite annoying in live situations. One thing I can recommend, especially if you want to use a guitar with it (although it works great with synths as well) is the Microcosm pedal. Man, this thing is beautiful! Very easy to use, and quite fun to manipulate live as well.
Ou yeah!
based on your reactions, the morphagene seems to be more creatively engaging - "oh yeah"
I love my Morphagene...
haha, good one. tho i must notice that deepest "oh yeah"
happened during 100% wet Arbhar reverb ;)
Love my Morp.
Arhbar is interesting. 1 minus though. No stereo input. Maybe not a biggie, but still.
You can probably stereo files on the SD card/Flash Card? Did it have SD card?
That's an interesting one, it does have a card, but it doesn't say anything about stereo or mono in the manual. I'll have to give that a try...
@@OmriCohen-Music did you find out?
Hi, You can use stereo files, but only the left channel will be loaded into the SD card.
I’m confused about how to load recorded samples into the Arbhar? I see an SD slot for the Morphagene but not for the Arbhar - what am I missing?
The SD card is in the back of the module so you will have to take it out first.
Have a morphagene and was expecting to be blown away by the abhar but frankly the morphagene is much different and for me better. The CV control fantastic, combined the a mimeophon it’s a fantastic duo. Will go research the Nebulae now….
I would say its way closer to Clouds than Morphagene
Totally, yes
Is that a Zlob blank panel between the Arbhar and its expander?
Yeah
Hey, can the pitch of the grains be cv controlled?
On Arbhar? Yes, there's a dedicated v/oct input.
Great video, interesting as always :)
What about Qu-bit Nebulae v2 ? :p
Thanks so much! I had the Nebulae for a few months but other than a short time I really enjoyed it, I couldn't really connect with it. Unlike Arbhar, I couldn't really understand what it's doing and, for some reason, it felt like it's always changing its behavior. I sold it eventually... That said, having separate controls for pitch and speed was super useful.
@@OmriCohen-Music That's a great answer, thx! Crystal clear
I feel like a comparison between arbhar and clouds would be more apt, but still a great video
Thanks! And yes, totally, Clouds in Granular mode is more similar, but many were interested in how it compares to the Morphagen.
@@OmriCohen-Music yeah thats fair. I feel like that will have rooted from a lot of people viewing Morphagene a "clouds killer", despite being a completely different module. Tbh it would be interesting to see how Arbhar, Morphagene and Clouds (or a clone, say Monsoon) play together as a trio.
Yeah, I also think that the Morphagene is a totally different module, and I would not call it granular in any way, although, when you think about it, if you could slice tape small enough, it could also be granular.
Is it possible with the morphagene to save/reload the sample with the splices included?
Yes, totally, you can save everything onto the sd card. You can also prepare everything in the computer, with splices and all, and load it onto the sd card.
Omri Cohen Cheers, thanks 👍🏻
Thanks for the video.
Vs clouds...?
Cheers! If I had to choose between Clouds (the original module) and Arbhar, I would choose Arbhar without hesitation. I have the Microcell, which has 8 different modes so it's a different module I guess.
Each module has its charm!!
Totally!
oh yeaaah!!
Cheers!
Oh yeah.
Cheers!
Can the Arbhar be controlled by an external clock
Thanks
Yes, it has a trigger input you can use to generate the grains. Is this what you mean?
@@OmriCohen-Music so the grains can run at a rate of my midi controlled 0 coast for instance
@@christopherwalker3285 Yes, exactly. You just turn the rate to zero, and send a trigger from the O Coast to the trigger input.
@@OmriCohen-Music legend...well now you owe me 500.
@@christopherwalker3285 Have fun :)
Would you do microcell(clouds) review?
I will see what I can do
@@OmriCohen-Music Understood -- I know it's work to make a video -- but there is not much about the alternative firmware of clouds and microcell looks like the ultimate version of clouds.. maybe microcell v. arbhar? ;-)
I'll do one for you right here = It's overrated.
Great stuff. Thanks for the comparison. Do I understand correctly that on the Arbhar, it's not possible to playback a recording without the random stereo panning?
Thanks :) Well, actually you can use only the mono output if you don't want stereo, and you can also configure this behavior in the configuration file on the sd card so if you want less stereo or no stereo panning at all. By the way, there are several options you cen set at the back of the module so, for example, you can have the mod input control a delay, and then there is no random panning anyway, and you can set the mod input to control the stereo width with cv. I have it normally set to have control over the reverb with the mod input so there's also random panning.
@@OmriCohen-Music aaah awesome. Thanks for the extensive reply! Youve gained a sub :)
@@jimvandersteege No worries :) Thanks!
Won't even consider (deep, complex) modules that are released without the g#dd@mn user manual. Seriously ridiculous on $500+ gear...
Should be released soon I hope
"Arbhar", Irish word for "wheat", so yeah, grains.
And it's probably pronounced more like "arvar" just to be awkward.
Excellent comparison Omri!
The Morphagene sounds more musical than the Arbhar I must say...
Thank you!
morphagene ui was trash imo. hidden combo presses galore. strange wacky param names. ymmv
Welcome to Make Noise
@@MarcoLongoMusic inexcusable
Hey was wondering how to load samples into the usb key for the Arbhar? Hope you can help!
Hi Adam, I'm sorry, but I really don't know. The thing is, there's still no manual for Arbhar so there are still some things unclear...
Omri Cohen Okay thanks, no worries. I was inspired and got the module today! I’ll fool around with it and see if I can find a solution 💫
@@nexcyia oh nice! You will have lots of fun with it!
morph is king
Thanks man. I just loose 600€ 😁
I'm so sorry man... :)
Omri Cohen 😀 i bet its worth it.
Nah... you don't lose 600... you gain power... :P
all wet at 15:00...OMG
Oh yeah! But really, this reverb is really nice and very "musical".
God damn Omri, I just wanna come jam with you, I looooove granular synthesis its my favorite forever and ever
i have the qu bit nebulae and loadrunner and they are a huge part of what i do
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The Morphagene is blatantly better in just about every way in every comparison and demo Ive seen.
No more Make Noise modules for me. I am done with them! :-/
Y?
Take time to appreciate them 🙂
I hope I'll get around to scooping up a Morphagene this year. Due to its high price point, I'll probably end up getting it first before getting any other basic modular gear, since I can route it into or around my MiniBrute 2S in the interim.
Yeah, I love my Morphagene... And it works really well with all sorts of signals.