Melkite Patriarch Gregorios Divine Liturgy in Rome
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- Опубліковано 19 жов 2024
- Patriarch Gregorios celebrates Divine Liturgy with the Melkite Synod of Bishops in the Basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls in Rome for the Year of St. Paul in May of 2008.
Dear brothers, I am a Roman Catholic, but I love The Eastern Catholic and longing for The Orthodox Christian to be one with us. I love all christians because I love Jesus Who loves all of us.
+Чварков Ђорђе Why so negative, even if we don't agree on everything at least we have faith is Jesus Christ.
This vídeo is of a Catholic Eastern Church, not Orthodox (schismatics).
You know very well what infallibility means, do not spread inaccuracies. Also don't you feel lonely in your obsession? Because i clearly see Bartholomew, Romania, Alexandria and Ukraine coming this way ;)
Sorry to break the news to you but the Orthodox Church reunited with the Roman Catholic Church in the 1700’s! They are all considered catholic! That is what’s called the apologetics of Rome!
Many people in the United States especially in the south like in Texas unless they went to school for theology know of the great schism of the orthodox & Catholic Church & the differences!
We in the Latin Church need the Eastern Churches. The Church must breathe with both lungs, and the influence of these beautiful liturgies and many of their ancient rites, passed down in the deposit of the faith, can only serve to invigorate the Church as a whole. We have fallen near to Calvinism in the non-traditionalist circles of Catholicism, which is a great deal of the Church. We need the eastern Churches. Thank you for your patience with the West, and I pray for equity, respect and unity.
Say that louder for the Latins who have no idea the Byzantine rite exists!!
@sebin I have to admit that I forget that Chaldeans and the other Syriac rites exist sometimes.
@greekismyreligion Hello Melkite. I am Byzantine rite Ukrainian Greek Catholic. Yes, we have complete freedom (and are highly encouraged) to practice the Divine Liturgy, use our own canon law, etc, provided we have the same Faith. as the rest of the Catholic Church. I thank God that I am Catholic.
I am a Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic, but I attend Roman Mass; there are no other Byzantine parishes within literally a hundred miles of me. However, I always use our eastern liturgical books for praying the Hours in my home (Horologion, Menologion, Octeothos, etc.)
Brasta Septim, you can use any prayer books, after all you are a Catholic and all Catholics are same and can follow any rite they want to, does not make any difference. CATHOLIC IS A CATHOLIC.
I' m from Indonesia, Is any UA-cam channel where i can follow divine liturgy in Ruthenian Catholic ??
I think the Roman Catholics are slowing becoming aware of the true beauty and diversity of the Church and this is such a beautiful thing to see. I love my Orthodoxy brothers and sisters and I wish we were all united.
Upstate Jason these guys aren’t Orthodox
@@DanishJoe394 They are truly Orthodox and are not in schism with wholeness of the Church.
@@artemiosruthenia7291Eh? Of course they’re not Orthodox, they follow the Pope. Since the time of the Apostles, we Orthodox completely reject the popes. Theses Melkites are close in teleturgics, otherwise completely in heresy.
The Church is one, holy, catholic, apostolic. I am so sick of the bullshit that places culture and national history above a unity of piety and faith. The Catholic Church exists of all sorts of liturgy, canon law and languages. The mystical unity is what makes it beautiful. There are many Latins to go crazy when there is mention of Greek Fathers or DL. However, there are very many Greeks who put their culture upon the pedestal. Come to the visible unity of the Church!
sir, One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Orthodox Church is one. The Church is Christ's mystical body; just as he cannot be divided, neither can his body. There is one Church, not many; and it is united, not divided. This may seem naïve or callous given the present realities of Christians separated for nearly a thousand years. In the face of this real division, modern men are tempted to despair and speak of a "divided Church," abandoning the creedal faith. This one Church, because its unity depends on God, Christ, and the Spirit, may never be broken. Thus, according to Orthodox doctrine, the Church is indivisible; men may be in it or out of it, but they may not divide it.
According to Orthodox teaching, the unity of the Church is man's free unity in the truth and love of God. Such unity is not brought about or established by any human authority or juridical power, but by God alone. To the extent that men are in the truth and love of God, they are members of His Church.
what is the significance of the crossed candles at the beginning of the liturgy? Thanks
The three crossed candles represent the Trinity: Father Son, Holy Spirit. The two crossed candles represent the nature of Christ: True God and True Man
I am part of the Rio de Janeiro Eparchy of St. Basil. I am happy to see it spread all over Brazil. We already have parishes in Rio, Sao Paulo, Taubate, in Fortaleza ( Northeast of Brazil) , Juiz de Fora ( Minas Gerais ) and Belo Horizonte! We are growing steadily and in with vigor,( already 400,000 participants) thanks to our Lord and Our Lady of Perpetual Help. God Bless you and thank for this beautiful video.
It is sad that many Latin Rite priests do not study the Extraordinary Form of the Mass, which contributes to an overall ignorance of the other rites in communion with Rome.
As a Greek Orthodox Greek...I’m fascinated by this
Min parasirese,oi melxites einai ena copy tis orthodoxias mas,alla stin pragmatikotita eksipiretoun ton papa
I bet the majority of Orthodox people hating on this video and the Melkite only know the Melkites are in full union with the Catholic Church because of the Roman clergy in the video.
@brndurham Very good to hear brother. Yes, unfortunately there are few Eastern Rite Churches in North America (assuming that is your location). I attend DL of St Chrysostom at Ukrainian Church or Trent Latin Rite Mass. Both are so beautiful! I see in recent years a return to mystical and proper Liturgical practice and canon law in both Eastern and Western Churches. The youth demand orthodoxy of Faith and Morals, the age of rebellion is over I hope. Praise to Lord Jesus Christ!
Beautiful!!! 😊🙏❤️
We Latin Catholics, respect and love our Melkite Catholic brothers
God Bless our Eastern brethren! It's such a shame that we are so ignorant of these beautiful rites within the one, true Church!
Concordo plenamente! Sou Catolico Apostólico Romano e brasileiro, 🇧🇷🇻🇦 e do Rito Romano... Latino... mas PREZO E RESPEITO MUITISSISSIMO OS IRMÃOS DAS IGREJAS ORIENTAIS CATÓLICAS ROMANAS, E OS IRMÃOS, MUITISSISSIMO MAIS IRMÃOS, OS CATÓLICOS ORTODOXOS EM GERAL! Apesar dos CISMAS... principalmente o de 1.054 , e diferenças doutrinárias , são nossos IRMÃOS MESMO! P/ SACRATISSIMA SUCESSÃO APOSTÓLICA e Santa Tradição dos Padres da Santa Igreja dos 1°s. SECULOS! Doutores e afins... !
Inclusive a lógica deles de ver O Agir de Deus! E pouco se importar com a podridão da política e geopolítica, através dos Séculos!
Δεν είχε στέμμα στο κεφάλι, είχε ένα στεφάνι από ελιές, το φωτοστέφανό του ήταν στο λαιμό.
God bless you my brother in Christ. "Matthew 7:5"
understood, I just always wondered what the symbolism was... thanks for the info!
Rome and the Roman Catholics, who I belong to, are not interested in latinisation of Eastern rites and customs. You are so valious for the Church!! Keep and save this very appreciated treasure! Hopefully the Orthodox join us and we can answer to the Christ's order of being one. Hopefully the meeting of Pope Francis, Patriarch of Constantinopla Bartholome I and the bishops of Holy Land work out to strenghen our links. The Eastern Catholics are so catholic as some of us and they wouldn´t make sense if Orthodox primary churches end up coming to the unity. We will make the effort to understand you and bring you closer. The theological dialogue has produced good results, even according to Pope's primacy.
Mt 16:18
And so I say to you, you are "Rock", and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
Since the New Testament was written in the Greek language, it is right to begin the consideration of this critical passage in the language in which it was written:
kago de soi lego oti su ei Petros kai
I also And to you say - You are Peter and
epi taute te petra oikodomeso mou ten ekklesian;
on this - rock I will build of me the church;
Praise the Lord Jesus Christ and mother 🙏 Mary
Viva Melkite Catholic Church
I attended a Melkite service in Atlanta earlier this year and i loved it.They had incense and the whole works.I love The Roman catholic church but they dont use enough incense anymore.I could go orthodox.Theres a church in montgomery Ala and there is a real small orthodox church in america mision group . I dont know.From what i here the Greek church in montgomery is mostly order people.In order to go to the big orthodox churches i have to travel 139 miles to Atlanta.What should i do
Kok cuma 9 menittt.....
Is it a tradition in the Melkite Church that only the principle celebrating bishop wears the mitre? In other Eastern Catholic divine liturgies, I've seen multiple bishops present, all wearing their mitres.
Kevin Miller they can wear there mitre but here is not the case
That’s not true about the priests in the Latin rite not studying about the eastern rites! They are considered doctors of the church both Latin rites and eastern rites or Byzantine rites!
who is the bishop saying the litanies in greek?
it's the metropolite nicolas antipa
he is now an archibishop
@ortodoxiabrasil Dont Waste your time. Become a Greek Melkite Catholic in Brazil, already the greatest Melkite community in the world with 400.000 people. Happy I am Catholic Greek Melkite,.the true and pure, without influence of KGB people ( at least in Russia ). Bless you!
East and West we are one unite Gods church as he intended Happy Christmas to all brethern no matter what sect
It is sad that our Latin rite priests and bishops do not speak about other Catholic traditions (rites) that make up the universal Catholic Church giving the impression that the Roman Catholic Church is the only Catholic church in Catholicism. Latin rite Catholics are ignorant of Byzantine, Melkite, Maronate, etc. How sad! How sad!
Don't you think that their attidtude would make unity with the Orthodox Churches much more difficult if not impossible?
Peter Aglione, Hawthorne, NY USA March 2012
Your correct.
even traditionalist Catholics are ignorant of the other rites
Does this type of church bar women feom the altar ?
I'm Roman by birth. Byzantine at heart.
Rome was once the "western half" of the Byzantine empire, and Byzantium and Constantinople merely "New Rome" (Nova Roma) and therefore the "eastern half" of the Roman empire. Therefore, you are right at home. :)
jajohson i am from mars
But Christ by faith
ME TOO.
@ajl22586 there are 2 icons there.....you can see them in at 1:30 and at 1:48 and i'm sure they were put so far away to make room for all the con celebrants around the altar. and the Melkite church is one of the byzantine churches that if it has any latinazation has the least. but being melkite i can tell you that offical the only latinazation we have are the pews...some parishes may do things differently but that is not a reflection of the church as a whole
Great...
@MrCatholicforever I go to ST.Edward;s Roman Catholic Church in Baltimore,Maryland and i love studying the eastern catholics and if it is God's wil, may even convert to the Maronite Catholic Church but unfortunately, there is no Maronite Churches in Maryland. :p but yeah, there is still more to learn about our eastern brothers.
The opposite of a Uniate is a Disuniate.
When I stand before Christ, I think my chances are better if I'm called "one who fostered unity among the Churches [uniate]" rather than "one who fostered disunity among the Churches "disuniate."
So for all the disuniates commenting, may the Lord have mercy on you for preferring disunity over unity in the Body of Christ.
Oh, and the Western Churches were using unleavened bread, professing Filioque in the Creed, and looking to the Pope as the head of the Church on earth for HUNDREDS of years before 1054...
So were the Eastern Churches in full communion with heretics for several centuries?
The Filioque was officially condemned as herecy at the 8th Ecumenical Council, and changing the Creed was forbidden at the 3rd Ecumenical Council, so there is no argument to support the Filioque. As for the Pope being the "head" of the Church- no. Jesus Christ Is the Head of the Church, as the Church is His Body, but the Pope did (at one time) hold the title of first among equals. This is universally agreed upon, that there was primacy and not supremacy, so there is no reason to act as if we accepted supremacy pre-schism.
@@alduin69 1) The Catholic and Orthodox profess a different 8th Ecumenical Council. Photius admitted he was ignorant of the Filioque that he previously condemned and died in communion with Rome.
2) Christ is the head of the Church, the Pope is His vicar/visible head.
3) You can very easily read the canons of the 3rd, 4th, 6th and 7th ecumenical councils to see the Pope never 'held a position of first among equals', go read St Leo the Great and St Gregory the Great's sermons and what they said about their own authority. Formula of Hormisdas as well, which the Eastern bishops signed onto and accepted.
The original comment's point stands. The Filioque and Papal Supremacy was held since the earliest theologians and Popes in the West, and in the East also (Maronites for example).
Either the Eastern Orthodox did change their view and have not held to their own tradition, or they were in communion for centuries with these 'heretics'. Make no mistake, Eastern Catholicism is the fullness of Eastern tradition.
@MrCatholicforever YES! As a Roman Catholic you are allowed to recieve communion in any eastern catholic church for we ALL are in communion with Rome and to say your name is not really necessary but if you want just say "Servant/Handmaiden of God NAME", or simply "NAME". Hope that helps. :)
@greekismyreligion Not only the parishioners are latnized. But you see tridimensional images, unleavened hosts are used, pews, no attention are given to the byzantine calendar, few icons and no understanding about their meanings and theology (I noticed this in a talk with the deacon), the priest uses a Syriac vestiment. No incense, also the liturgy is never chanted, but read in portuguese, with some hymns sung, that comes actually from the brazilian charismatic renewal.
If you truly studied about theology it’ll teach you that St. Peter not only developed the Latin rite but also the eastern rites!
Some errors of the Orthodox Church would be that the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father ALONE and the denial of Papal Supremacy. There are a few more other things as well.
is used greek and arabic
One question: where is the iconostasis??? I've never seen or heard of a Byzantine liturgy being celebrated without it.. but then again, that's just what you'd expect from a Church that's done everything to Latinize the Eastern churches.
Vanessa Santo all melkite chrurch have an iconostasis but here they are doing the divine liturgy in the vatican in Rome for this reason there is no iconostasis
Find an Eastern Catholic Church nearby. It's not worth it abandoning the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church.
προεισι has a very different meaning connotation from εκπορευμενος. There is a Catholic document, published in 2004 I believe, which explains the difference. Nonetheless, the history of the filioque is darker than just a doctrinal difference. The Pope in 1054 brought from Constantinople a silver engraving of the sans-filioque Nicene Creed and put it over St. Peter's grave, but Charlemagne accused the Easter Church of changing the wording of the Creed, so his hands were tied so to speak...
charlemagne wants to use the filioque as a controversy to force the Pope to excommunicate the Eastern emperor and make Charlemagne the legitimate sole Emperor of the Christian world....This is why the Pope rejected Charlemagne's proposal... But the Pope has Judged Filioque as Correct and free of error.... Pope Leo III letter to Jerusalem ,807 A.D.
"We believe the Holy Spirit proceeds equally from the Father and the Son and consubstantial and co-eternal with the Father and the Son... the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and Son is fully God."
==( Pope Leo III letter to Jerusalem ,807 A.D)
Given the state of things in the Latin Rite, I think there is something we can learn from our Eastern Catholics, and our Orthodox Breathern,
@catholicpeter Yes, I'm in north america. Luckily, I'm in Houston so I was finally able to attend DL of St. John Chrysostom again.
We would be in communion with the Orthodox Church of Constantinople, if the Church of Constantinople would recognize our autonomy to return to communion with the historic See of Rome, which holds primacy, even over the See of New Rome. Let hardness of heart die out and see that in the Catholic communion are represented all the rites of Christendom, as opposed to the Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and Assyrian Communions.
I went to Eastern Catholic churches that doesn't use the filioque .. remember , it doesn't make sense that the Roman Church accept the eastern churches liturgies but with Roman theology ! many Eastern Catholic Churches , like the Melkite, are closer to Eastern Orthodoxy than to Roman Catholicism
Notice the priest faces the crucifix, "liturgical east", and has his back to the people. This is unlike the Novus Ordo which "comes from heresy and leads to heresy." Many eastern bishops walked out during the practice promotion for the Novus Ordo.
yes, all the ancient churches did and still do. Jesus didn't ordain women.,
@mjs5168 Otherwise you come to Brazil, you will go back to your statements regarding melkite church. Here the church is over latinized! Most of parioshioners are of latin rite, and don't even know what is a metanoia. Its sad to me!
Way in vatican??
Bernadette M. What?
one is double the other triple.
the double symbolises the two physes of Christ (man and god)
the other the holy trinity!
but Roman Catholics as they dont use them they dont know the sygnificant...Melchites (meaning folloers of the Emperor) are using the Orthodox type of Holy Mass but they are under the Pope...so they are not Orthodox.
the problem is not with the Orthodox.
Up to 8th century East and west had the same beliefs in the united undivided Holy Catholic Apostolic Church
The spanish monk who invented the filioque ???
It is clearly stated that even an "i" is added to the Holy writings a heresy exists
Pope Leo did not accepted the filioque and nowdays is a Saint even for the Orthodoxy.
Sop the fault is not of the Orthodox Church.
btw mouslims have themselves their divisions!!
Have a happy new year!
Spyros Chirdaris
Interesting, so the Eastern Churches were in visible communion with heretics for several centuries?
La Vérité n'appartient qu'à Dieu. Nous les hommes ne pouvons qu'y nous approcher. Et c'est triste de voir des personnes qui devraient s'appeler les uns aux autres "frères en et grâce à Christ" disputant et se disant eux mêmes les vrais crétiens vers les autres croyants en Christ. C'est Dieu qui decide sur la vérité de la foi des personnes, pas les pêcheurs
in fact there are not Latin , Byzantine etc RITES.
The division is Orthodoxy and RomanCatholicism.
The term Catholic meaning The whole is wrong to be used by the RomanCatholic Church.
The Holy One Catholic and Apostolic Church is the Orthodox Church who is keeping the tradition of the first undivided church.
Those Churches keeiping the Ortjodox Rite but are under the djuridiction of the Pope are Unites not Orthodox neither Catholics.
Θεατρο του παραλογου .....
That’s what I said
And now some logic..
If the Holy Ghost proceeds from the Father and the Son as the addition of the filioque suggests (something that its a heresy only because was added later) then all is a heresy...cause is what Arius was suggesting that the Son Jesus Christ was made from the God (Father) and thus Christ was a different person not the Logos (word) ... all those things my dear dis00612 were introdused later in the Church...Orthodox Church keeps the tradition in theology !!!
You say none of these are in the Bible but yet neither the Catholic Church nor Orthodox Church follows the bible ALONE. Some of these issues are indeed in the bible but instead of me going in and telling you all these verses I can tell you this. "No prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation" so we therefore follow the Church which is the "pillar and ground of the truth" and that is the Catholic Church which is the one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
The Catholic Church is NOT heretical my friend. The "Orthodox" Church is in some error though.
The Mother Church of Antioch, the true patriach of the Antioch is the Melkite Catholic
Yes.
ανάθεμά σας τσακάλια. anathema
These Christians have suffered under anathema's and have struggled to be Christians for more than 14 centuries under Islamic suppression.
They don't deserve yr despise
Anathema to Schism
You too kathybrisky
well... _-nice show-_
Ekumanisti.
The Melkites do allow girls to be acolytes.
lol!!! even the Pope does not believe this!!!
find the etymology of the word "Orthodox" that is used even by the Pope and then you will find out that you are saying rubbish!!!
This is Anomaly what i sea in the video. Heretic.
History is History. I am not the bigot who forced those former Orthodox into Uniatism in the XVII Century.
Isphanian History like "Orthodox" who kill Catholics and "Orthodox" who forced Catholics former into false Orthodoxy in Russia for example.
ελιά
We were never part of the Papist sect. So there is no way to return where we never belonged.
Then do not if you do not want. But the schism is born out of ignorance on your part, not on spiritual inspiration.
So, you are a sect too, Coptic Orthodox Church only accepted 3 ecumenical councils.
the singer very out of tune
You are totally right. They pretend and want to be considered Orthodox, because of the Rite. But Orthodoxy is based on communion, and communion is based on True Doctrine and worship, which Melkites don't posses.
Isphanian Catholic Church (Rome) Is based of God the truth.
roman catholic is not orthodoxy. and melkite is not orthodoxy.
Chist words was sad not about personally apostle Peter, but about faith of all apostles. Peter was just a mouthpiece of their common faith in divinity of Jesus Christ.
Александр Черных wow, learn to READ before you make yourself look silly...... late, late, half-convert.......
pjlu2 And what? Copying of words of Mt. did not approve a supremacy of Pope of Rome. Orthodox interpretation of this words base on understanding of role of apostle Peter as an expession of common faith of the apostles; indeed, how ony Peter could recognize His divinity and other couldn't? Andrew couldn't? Jacobe couldn't? John couldn't? No, they all see this.
pjlu2 Yes, yes, canons of council of Serdica in 343 year. Favorite place of catholics, which prove (as they think) a recognition of the authority of Bishop of Rome, but this view absolutely ignore the context:
1) Council of Serdica was LOCAL and not ecumenical.
2) ancient city Serdica was in jurisdition of Pope and belonged to West, not to East, and that this was absolutely NORMAL το appeal to bishop of Rome.
3) council of Serdica was assembled by emperors Constant I and Constancius II firstly for a question about st Athanasius of Alexandria and Arian herecy, not for accepting a papal supremacy
pjlu2 And in what russian Old Believer (who hates Roman Catholics as well as Russian Orthodoxes) was right? The conception of the Third Rome was fall after XVII century and now don't play any role in modern russian consciousness
ANATEMA ECUMENISM!
Anathema schism
As for the Papal Supremacy that is what the Popes want.
Kings in Earth...
In Orhtodox Churc the Bishop is in Type and Place of Christ not the Apostole Peter not teh Christ Himself ..
There is No Supremacy and no Non Faultines of a man ...
In Orthodoxy only the Holy Synod of every Church takes decisions and the Ecumencal Patriarch is just Primus between equals...
lol... you can't even make an ecumenical council... look at the recent council of orthodox churches.... Russia did not attend.... LOL.... it is delusional to believe that councils have authority in the orthodox church because the orthodox cannot even unite and make a council after 1000 years....