after seeing your videos on this game I thought you are a professional youtuber, it turns out you started making them quite recently. Thanks for a good content, keep up doing this
Incredibly Good! explanations and logic are clear and all are very well demonstrated. One of the best build i have played. So now lets see how it will be with the new patch. well done Sir.
Hello again curse! Does the nod "Titan Sword" in manifest armor snap shot a 17% crit chance roll on wep for the sweap attack? Is there a reason you havent done this? I have a +4 Manifest armor with 96% minion damage on helmet, does this not translate to the Manifest armor with "Great Helmet" nod because our minion would then have his own minion damage increased by 240% but not directly increased on himself? is this how it works and why you go for crit on gloves over minion damage?
hi i see you have two manifest armor builds. this one with uniques and the other one not. so is it safe to assume that this video would be best followed for end game gearing? also is the increased melee dmg for helm and chest better or bleed / physicel pen with bleed better? thanks!
You have to commit to either running full Critical Damage on your Manifest armor or running full Bleed on it. Depending on that, you can gear your helm/chest accordingly. The bleed version is much cheaper to gear. The Crit version is more expensive and honestly probably slightly worse.
Is this build starter viable or should i start different build before i get the Peak of the Mountain etc? Also would you recommend this build for Hardcore? Cheers for uploading the build video
Yah it's definitely a great starter, the DPS is OP. The Peak of the Mountain + Smite is a great combo for multiplayer but you don't need it to dish out crazy dmg. I'm not a HC expert but the build does feel a bit squishy to me at corruption 400. Which isn't a problem for SC but for HC I'd say you might want to stay around corruption 200-300 or at least itemize more defensively. The dmg of the build is ridiculous either way so you can always switch some affixes to give you more survivability at the cost of a little bit of dps.
I think Bleed MA is slightly better. But Crit MA is def viable if you happen to have all the right items for it. Bleed MA is also easier to gear up for. Thank you, I'm glad to hear you are appreciating the guides!
I would really like to play Shield Throw on launch but don't want to make my cycle start a miserable experience. Do you feel like this is still a viable build in 1.0?
yah you're right, I factored that into the sheet formula rather than the number displayed for the helm. If you check the formula I have that cell multiplied by 4 :) cheers
Hey, I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be quite as good... but have you thought about running this with Jasper's? Jaspar's main weakness is not building up fast enough. If you do it right... you might just be able to do a 3-4 second Julra with it (supposedly already possible with a shield rush meme build). Then again... this build doesn't really need a faster Julra :p
Jasper's is a neat idea, I'm gonna have to test it out if I have some time! I did iterate on this build and got 5-6 sec Julra though. I'll see if I can post a short video on that before March 9th. :)
@@TheCurseBG Cool, looking forward to your video :). Also forgot to mention... the super fast builds I saw for Jasper's used Rive to consume the ignite for a physical damage boost, and then also stacked bleed, and procced the bleed with abyssal echoes. So I'm not sure if that's going to change how your build works, as that is two nodes on the tree that are way different from your build. In addition, the Rive node is also changing in 0.9 from 15% increased damage per ignite to 3% penetration per ignite... which will probably change things further. It also might be more worth to just do damage based on ignite (considering the 4x multipliers manifest armor gets on equipment)? Not sure here. Edit: I wrote something here about Salt The Wound, but apparently it's special effects don't get transferred to the armor. So no 240% of crit multi as bleed effectiveness :/.
Build seems to work nice, still have shit gear and seem to have hit a wall.. how do you keep the minion alive?... keeps getting oneshotted by spires in echos.
I have a t6 preffix manifest armor skill in exalted helmet, i have a question. Is better to have skill that give more physycal melee damage or the stat from this helmet (78% minion damage + 3 skill manifest armor) is better?
If you have lots of physical melee damage from gloves/weapon/chest, getting T6 MA in the helm should be ok. I just don't see as much benefit from the extra +3 points in MA skill tree. You pretty much get everything you need for 20-21 points.
That was just a remnant from running smite hammerdin. That blessing isn't too useful even if I swap it for something else so I left it in case I want to run some other Lightning based build.
So Just few hours till the new patch is coming !!! I can only hope that this build will still be as strong as it is now!!! and i will be very happy to understand how to make it better with all those new things coming with the patch!?
I would farm T4 Lightless Arbor boss until at least an LP2 helmet drops. The effective level for LP is very low so LP2 should be quite doable without too many runs. LP3 if you have more keys and patience.
took me a over 2 weeks to farm the items for this build. just to find out the minion support for using controller is not working for this type of build. using a controller you cannot target a minion specifically just general direction targeting. so you either will mob or minion and most of the time coz theres more mobs you will hit mob before minion first. the javellin is the same you cant place it specifically . general direction and hope for the best. sucks.
@@TheCurseBG hey, i m already trying this , but still leveling. I m on lvl 36. Do you have a loot filter for this build to share, copy paste? So i can farm a gear that bennefits MA plus Shield Throw. I m not that good making loot filters.
Only the passive node "Folded Steel" is a major benefit that gives +60 melee physical dmg to Manifest Armor with 10 points invested in it. But Paladin's passive skill tree is so much better and you get Holy Aura I think Pally is better.
Yea you can start with this build, Manifest Armor deals great damage even with weak items. I would spec into hammer throw early on before shield throw+manifest armor become online. They need quite a few levels before they are enabled.
Peak of the Mountain helm is from the Lightless Arbor Dungeon boss. It drops frequently so you can easily get LP2-3. If you farm him enough, LP4 can drop as well. Apathy's Maw is from the monolith Shade of Orobyss boss. Fairly easy to get LP1. Farming an LP2 is possible but rare, I have not dropped one yet. Omni's amulet is also from the Shade of Orobyss. The unique boots are more difficult to target farm. You have to do the Spirits of Fire dungeon and target the mono nodes with the unique/set boots. And for the exalted items, I'm planning on releasing an exalted farming guide before the March 9th patch!
The damage of the build is largely unaffected by smite. So you can still run MA with a different helm and no smite until you get enough idols. Just need some life leech for your MA. So still viable but it does take some farm before you can fully transition into it.
this makes me feel stupid and depressed, im leveling with javelin and dotting everything fire lighting, but then i see these builds doing millions, how am i supposed to compete with that? no "normal" builds are possible if u want to advance, u need this broken million numbers to play
after seeing your videos on this game I thought you are a professional youtuber, it turns out you started making them quite recently. Thanks for a good content, keep up doing this
Yah my first video is a little rough around the edges haha :D Thank you for the encouragement!
Thank you for your content man! Glad to have you on my sub list! Keep it up my friend!
Thank you for the kind words and I'm glad you like the builds!
Your Build are always top tier! Keep it up man im always amazed by what you come with 👏👏
Thank you, I really appreciate the positive feedback. :)
Maybe it's the problem... :(
welcome in my following list. thank you for your amazing work, and I'm going to try thoses builds in no-time. regards from France.
Thank you! Hope you enjoy them
Incredibly Good! explanations and logic are clear and all are very well demonstrated. One of the best build i have played. So now lets see how it will be with the new patch. well done Sir.
Lucky i am ! I get the Suloron boots doing the monolyth one time ! tomorrow I may think to play at the lottery :)
Nice! Thanks and I'm glad you're owning with the build :)
I play with your build, very cool! really looking forward to your new video about the changes in 0.9 for this build! TY!
Thank you! I do plan on revisiting this build early on in the patch to see how it performs :)
@@TheCurseBG super cool, looking forward to your videos!
Great stuff man! Im trying this build out immediately!
Sweet, hope you get blessed with 9% smite idols lol
Hello! This seems like a really fun build to try out. Subscribed by the way! :)
Hello again curse!
Does the nod "Titan Sword" in manifest armor snap shot a 17% crit chance roll on wep for the sweap attack? Is there a reason you havent done this?
I have a +4 Manifest armor with 96% minion damage on helmet, does this not translate to the Manifest armor with "Great Helmet" nod because our minion would then have his own minion damage increased by 240% but not directly increased on himself? is this how it works and why you go for crit on gloves over minion damage?
Can we get an updated build for this guy? Just now came back to the game after a long break and would love to continue this build
The build guide is still relevant today, the skills haven't changed much since back then
hi i see you have two manifest armor builds. this one with uniques and the other one not. so is it safe to assume that this video would be best followed for end game gearing? also is the increased melee dmg for helm and chest better or bleed / physicel pen with bleed better? thanks!
You have to commit to either running full Critical Damage on your Manifest armor or running full Bleed on it. Depending on that, you can gear your helm/chest accordingly. The bleed version is much cheaper to gear. The Crit version is more expensive and honestly probably slightly worse.
Is this build starter viable or should i start different build before i get the Peak of the Mountain etc? Also would you recommend this build for Hardcore?
Cheers for uploading the build video
Yah it's definitely a great starter, the DPS is OP. The Peak of the Mountain + Smite is a great combo for multiplayer but you don't need it to dish out crazy dmg.
I'm not a HC expert but the build does feel a bit squishy to me at corruption 400. Which isn't a problem for SC but for HC I'd say you might want to stay around corruption 200-300 or at least itemize more defensively. The dmg of the build is ridiculous either way so you can always switch some affixes to give you more survivability at the cost of a little bit of dps.
Which is better, crit or bleed MA build? Both of your guides look great btw!
I think Bleed MA is slightly better. But Crit MA is def viable if you happen to have all the right items for it. Bleed MA is also easier to gear up for. Thank you, I'm glad to hear you are appreciating the guides!
I would really like to play Shield Throw on launch but don't want to make my cycle start a miserable experience. Do you feel like this is still a viable build in 1.0?
It's viable but not in multiplayer because shield bounces on allies (unless they fixed that).
Hello, when u talking about the prizmatic gaze shouldnt the crit base 4% x 300 more from manifesto armor- helm node??
yah you're right, I factored that into the sheet formula rather than the number displayed for the helm. If you check the formula I have that cell multiplied by 4 :) cheers
Hey! Quick question, how come your weappkns don't need ang bleed on them?
Oh wait that's because the bleed version is a starter build and this is the final result..
I did this build 2 months before the bleed version. They are two totally diff builds. I would say this crit one is slightly worse than the bleed one.
Hey, I'm pretty sure this wouldn't be quite as good... but have you thought about running this with Jasper's? Jaspar's main weakness is not building up fast enough. If you do it right... you might just be able to do a 3-4 second Julra with it (supposedly already possible with a shield rush meme build).
Then again... this build doesn't really need a faster Julra :p
Jasper's is a neat idea, I'm gonna have to test it out if I have some time!
I did iterate on this build and got 5-6 sec Julra though. I'll see if I can post a short video on that before March 9th. :)
@@TheCurseBG Cool, looking forward to your video :).
Also forgot to mention... the super fast builds I saw for Jasper's used Rive to consume the ignite for a physical damage boost, and then also stacked bleed, and procced the bleed with abyssal echoes. So I'm not sure if that's going to change how your build works, as that is two nodes on the tree that are way different from your build. In addition, the Rive node is also changing in 0.9 from 15% increased damage per ignite to 3% penetration per ignite... which will probably change things further. It also might be more worth to just do damage based on ignite (considering the 4x multipliers manifest armor gets on equipment)? Not sure here.
Edit: I wrote something here about Salt The Wound, but apparently it's special effects don't get transferred to the armor. So no 240% of crit multi as bleed effectiveness :/.
Build seems to work nice, still have shit gear and seem to have hit a wall.. how do you keep the minion alive?... keeps getting oneshotted by spires in echos.
Have to get a bunch of +minion hp on gear. MA is a little bit squishy indeed.
I have a t6 preffix manifest armor skill in exalted helmet, i have a question. Is better to have skill that give more physycal melee damage or the stat from this helmet (78% minion damage + 3 skill manifest armor) is better?
If you have lots of physical melee damage from gloves/weapon/chest, getting T6 MA in the helm should be ok. I just don't see as much benefit from the extra +3 points in MA skill tree. You pretty much get everything you need for 20-21 points.
Hey, why do you choose the lightning shred for a blessing? I don't see any lightning in the build.
That was just a remnant from running smite hammerdin. That blessing isn't too useful even if I swap it for something else so I left it in case I want to run some other Lightning based build.
@@TheCurseBGThanks for taking time to respond. Your guides are great!
Hey Curse! Still viable? or some other manifest build better?
Still viable. Don't run in multiplayer tho cause the shields bounce to your allies.
So Just few hours till the new patch is coming !!! I can only hope that this build will still be as strong as it is now!!! and i will be very happy to understand how to make it better with all those new things coming with the patch!?
I will try to update it soon with new patch build planner!
@@TheCurseBG Thank you Sir! the first test that i did was not good. at least lost of survability and dps. but i will retry later
Numbers go big!
does manifest armor double all gear slots with +minion health, damage?
No, it does not double dip on those affixes.
How do you farm the helmet. Do you just keep doing t1 till a lp helm drops?
I would farm T4 Lightless Arbor boss until at least an LP2 helmet drops. The effective level for LP is very low so LP2 should be quite doable without too many runs. LP3 if you have more keys and patience.
took me a over 2 weeks to farm the items for this build. just to find out the minion support for using controller is not working for this type of build. using a controller you cannot target a minion specifically just general direction targeting. so you either will mob or minion and most of the time coz theres more mobs you will hit mob before minion first. the javellin is the same you cant place it specifically . general direction and hope for the best. sucks.
sorry to hear that :( I never tried it with controller so it's good to know
Hello, is this still viable for the upcoming 0.9 patch? Last time i played LE was in december, 2021.
Yep, it should be just as strong in 0.9! I'll update it if necessary.
@@TheCurseBG Thank you!! ;)
@@TheCurseBG hey, i m already trying this , but still leveling. I m on lvl 36. Do you have a loot filter for this build to share, copy paste? So i can farm a gear that bennefits MA plus Shield Throw. I m not that good making loot filters.
Is there any reason to play this over the new bleed variant?
I think the bleed variant is slightly better a few aspects. But if you happen to have the right items for this one, it is also incredibly strong!
is this build still liable in .9? looks fun.
Yep, it's totally 0.9 viable! I updated the build planner in the description for 0.9
is there any benefit on being a forgeguard?
Only the passive node "Folded Steel" is a major benefit that gives +60 melee physical dmg to Manifest Armor with 10 points invested in it. But Paladin's passive skill tree is so much better and you get Holy Aura I think Pally is better.
Is this crit version dead or much weaker then the dot MA?
The crit version is still very strong. Only slightly weaker than bleed MA IMO. But still kills Julra faster than most other builds I believe.
Can you 0.9 start this build, how to level it?
Yea you can start with this build, Manifest Armor deals great damage even with weak items. I would spec into hammer throw early on before shield throw+manifest armor become online. They need quite a few levels before they are enabled.
esta build ainda funciona?
Yes, the build still works!
Is this Julra T4?
Yep T4 Julra patch 0.8.5. The build is slightly weaker in 0.9 but no major nerf.
TC, where do we farm the items
Peak of the Mountain helm is from the Lightless Arbor Dungeon boss. It drops frequently so you can easily get LP2-3. If you farm him enough, LP4 can drop as well.
Apathy's Maw is from the monolith Shade of Orobyss boss. Fairly easy to get LP1. Farming an LP2 is possible but rare, I have not dropped one yet.
Omni's amulet is also from the Shade of Orobyss.
The unique boots are more difficult to target farm. You have to do the Spirits of Fire dungeon and target the mono nodes with the unique/set boots.
And for the exalted items, I'm planning on releasing an exalted farming guide before the March 9th patch!
You can give me a loot filter for this build, I will be grateful?
Will this work on 1.0?
Yes but it's clunky in multiplayer because the shield bounces to allies.
Nice, expect that it is nearly impossible without long long long time farming to drop the idol. And without it the build doesn't work
The damage of the build is largely unaffected by smite. So you can still run MA with a different helm and no smite until you get enough idols. Just need some life leech for your MA. So still viable but it does take some farm before you can fully transition into it.
Farm the echos that drop idols. Not too uncommon
how much of the dps is coming from smite? i really want to try and incorperate javelin into a build
not much really. All the dps is from manifest armor, smite is utility only
manifest armor scales off str today
Only minion health, not damage.
this makes me feel stupid and depressed, im leveling with javelin and dotting everything fire lighting, but then i see these builds doing millions, how am i supposed to compete with that? no "normal" builds are possible if u want to advance, u need this broken million numbers to play
Don't worry bro some builds just don't work out. Check out my crit javelin build attempts video to see me create a fail build as well if you want ;)