Got a lot planned for the APU so let me know what you want to see tested, a bit limited right now due to drivers but they should be out in the next few days.
Want to see it Undervolted with AATU (average chips should be able to hit a -20 offset, good chips should hit -25 or the full -30 offset. Even weak silicon lottery should be able to hit -15offset which is still a noticeable help). Awesome to see you used AATU to overclock the Gpu, that was awesome to see it hitting 3ghz in Cyberpunk!!
Can't wait to see this APU in Mini PCs. I'm so ready to make the jump from my huge desktop setup to a Mini PC, I just need it to be able to handle 1080p/med-to-high games decently for it to be realistic, and it seems like the 780M does the trick.
It's literally twice as powerful as the GTX 960m laptop I played pc games on just fine from 2016 to last year. Obviously with more money and more power, you can get way better results, but for budget & compact builds, this is a game-changer.
@@pranze3484 Why not build an am4 or lga 1700 + 2nd hand gpu which would give you superior experience? For example 1660S $128.86 cpu cooler $23.80 Ryzen 5 5500 $80.49 b550 mini itx $99 ddr4 3200mhz $40 2x 90mm fan $14.20 atx power supply 450W $50 mini itx chassis $54.12 total: $546.59 + taxes
The Phoenix APUs are destined to be featured only inside "elite laptops", likely starting from $1300. So no. If you want value per dollar, get the Ryzen 7 6800H or Ryzen 7 7735HS.
@@one_step_sideways Yeh us gaming laptop lovers get shafted with low end dedicated graphics that rocket up the price. We could see these Phoenix chips in competent gaming laptops under $1k, coupled with faster LPDDR5X (up to 7500mhz), completely skipped the lowly 1650's of the world. As it stands the only options are to get "ultrathins" with their lackluster cooling and limited tdp. We do have handheld gaming devices ofcourse, and with the Rog Ally rumored to hit just $650 with up to the coveted 7840u (same 8 cores of zen 4, same 12 CU Rdna 3 780m), it should be a banger.
@@slickrounder6045 I doubt that would happen, as I already own a laptop with a Ryzen 7 6800H without a dGPU that I got in early June on day one from China for $1044 including international shipping. The thing is a beast and a Macbook Pro 14" killer. The laptop is Redmibook Pro 15 2022 Ryzen Edition. To hit this pricetag with the current inflation and the same specs would be impossible. The reason why I don't think it will be possible to do so is because of the prices for Framework 13 with Ryzen 7040. A Ryzen 5 7640U version costs $320 less than the Ryzen 7 7840U version, which is a huge divide between Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7, which used to be only ~$70 before, including Ryzen 6000. So with Rembrandt, if for $70 more you used to get two more CPU cores and double the iGPU cores with faster clocks to get what is essentially a gaming dGPU for free, with Phoenix it's clearly not going to be the case because AMD found a goldmine and because TSMC's 4nm node is wicked expensive.
There better be a ryzen 5 with rdna 3.... I have a hp 14s-fq1008no bare bones laptop with r5 4500u and with the aded 16 gb ram I can play all sorts of games @ lower resolutions such as hell let loose and dark souls 3. I wonder how the rdna 3 version will do? Currently I am not interested in dgpu because it seems like a waste.
Looking forward to reviews covering systems with 7500 LPDDR5 memory. That might increase performance considerably as currently it seems to be heavily bottlenecked, considering the moderate performance jump from the 680M.
@tangled earphones Spec for AMD new silicon like this 7940 is 5600 DDR5 and 7400 or 7600 LPDDR5, but yeah most laptops will give you like a single 4800 stick. Not as big of a deal 1 dimm vs 2 on D5 but still a disadvantage. Mini PC's and handhelds should have the fast LPDDR5 ram
Wow. Close to 3200 points on Time Spy. My GTX1650 laptop pulls 3400 stock, and close to 3800 overclocked, though the CPU is obviously way higher on this new laptop so it kind of evens off. That's a crazy level of performance for an APU. Good job on this review.
This should beat the 1650 desktop version by a few % once proper drivers are out but laptop variants are weird in that the mobile GTX1650 (50W TGP, 8 Gbit GDDR6) can use all 1024 shaders of the TU117 chip making it faster than the desktop card by approximately 7% . There are also versions with 896 shaders (the OG w/ 8 Gbits GDDR6) that have been updated with fast 12 Gbits GDDR6 graphics memory ie the N18P-G61 cards
@@guccigabbana.8284 But it's gonna be helluva more expensive. Strictly for gaming only you'd better be off with a 10th gen i5 and a GTX1660Ti, for cheaper. Still, I'm really impressed by what this APU does.
it sucks that we have to buy GAMING laptop with powerful dgpu to get these new apu while the thin and light notebooks that need it the most are mostly shipped with rebranded last gen stuffs probably until q3/q4
Shooting themselves in the foot, not releasing without dgpus. But I believe we will see some in do time. Also there is the 7840 also. Just depends how much AMD will allow to be produced in quantity. They took to long on the 6000 series. But with 3 handhelds already announced with just 7840, the 7940 is of the same silicone.
Yeah I'd love to see one of these in something like the ROG Z flow with no dGPU, and a big price cut. This has a lot of applications it's not being used for.
Finally zen4/rdna3 combo is on the market! Those synthetic benchmarks are kind of low, wish it would get better with newer drivers. Cant wait for IGPU's to be on par with radeon rx590 and also allowed to allocate memory to 16gb.
A comparison test between the 48 and the 56 would be very interesting to see especially with a set parameter with memory size,clocks,and timing being set as identical as possible
The thing I never understand about these AMD APU's with great integrated graphics is that they are almost always exclusively put into very expensive laptops with dedicated gpu's. I alwats thought it made more sense to put into low to mid range laptops that wouldn't otherwise have a dedicated gpu.
My friend, I have the same thoughts. It’s genuinely super weird and I don’t understand why not a single laptop does this. Even with the last years release they didn’t do it. They have been doing it for Mini PCs but not for any laptops.
Looking forward to other 780m devices, sucks to hear about the pre-launch driver issue but we finally seem to be nearing 1080p medium/high tier performance for PS4 era titles, which is the performance level these need to be to make the most of PS4 era titles on iGPU, and the point where these iGPU MiniPCs/handhelds become great gaming devices.
I wish they'd put those 680m/780m graphics on an affordable dedicated entry level graphics card. Would probably be an interesting option for upgrading older systems, energy efficient, doesn't need enormous cooling solutions, up to date video engine, enough performance for casual gaming.
Makes me even more excited to see what the new ASUS ROG handheld is going to be capable of. On the Emulation side mainly, I'm thinking all retro systems running at a full 100% 1080p native scaling 60fps especially PS VITA emulation.
Yeah but dont forget this is a big upper bound on performance, with the Apu at 70w at all times. Even the Asus handheld will run at half of the tdp and wont reach 2.8ghz on gpu, probably 2 or 2.2
Could you please include graphs directly comparing performance versus the 680m and other graphics solutions? Would be nice to able to see the relative performance.
could you imagine this New AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS in a mini PC made by steam with the steamos. This would be a console killer for most 1080p gamers no more paywall. Plus they could make it for a reasonable price because they sell games like the consoles. 😁👍👍👍
I'm super excited for this because its monolithic like the rest of Ryzen's mobile chips, unlike Dragon Range (7045 series). That means idle power is a lot lower as it doesn't have an infinity fabric that needs constant power, so battery life will be excellent. AMD also said the reason for the delay for these was due to working with OEM's, so perhaps AMD's initial clocks were seen as too aggressive for the cooling solutions OEM's were using.
i wish these chips would also be put on regular laptops that dont have dedicated GPU's instead of always getting put on gaming laptops. Like the price cut would be really nice and makes it more affordable for budget
@@SigmaGigaChad-yv4ci handheld has their own market already, the niche in handheld is how portable they are so i dont think it'll kill off the market. Then again portables now are even more expensive than regular laptops so i suppose prices would go down if that's what you're worried about
I would think at lower resolutions like 720p it’s closer to 30%. Especially with good drivers. Keep in mind these apus are memory starved so they will do disproportionately bad at higher resolutions.
LPDDR5/X should widen the gap to around 30%, and given these are pre-launch drivers I expect that 10% performance increase minimum to be more like 20%. Once things are polished a bit more we could see up to 40%
For the reference, Radeon 680M is better than GTX 1050 Ti Desktop in H-series APUs (at 45W TDP). An overclocked iGPU will give you around +5-7% performance in games at the cost of much higher power consumption that many laptops will not be able to deal with, overclocking is not worth it. Given a few driver updates (remember, Radeon 680M was also rather bad at launch, specifically in games like CS:GO with only 120FPS at launch and 200 FPS after a couple months), Radeon 780M will be better in gaming. But I don't think that the difference will be too big compared to Radeon 680M. When 680M came out, it provided a 2.5x increase in performance compared to Vega 8 (7nm), so if you intend to buy an affordable laptop for general productivity and gaming on the side (especially for gaming on battery power) - grab one with a Ryzen 7 7735HS, unless the Ryzen 7 7840HS laptops will be 1) in stock, and 2) have a price difference of less than $150.
No one should be grabbing a 7735HS since its just a rebranded 6900HS. We want Zen 4 and 12 CU of Rdna 3 780m, which is why we need the 7840HS/7940HS or 7840u. Prices will eventually be good on those, albeit demand will be sky high, but no need to settle for old tech rebranded with the mislead 7xxx moniker.
@@slickrounder6045 You missed the part where I said that 7735HS will be affordable compared to 7840HS. The difference isn't that big, and for the 7840HS you end up paying the high-end tax, which is never a good idea since 7735HS isn't far off from 7840HS in terms of any specs. I also doubt many people are going to do a lot of CPU computing, so extra CPU performance is unnecessary unless they will be making money on it, like when you're a software developer that wants to reduce compile times as much as possible and/or compile or render things on battery power (for some reason). If someone intends to buy a future-proofed machine for some reason, it still doesn't make much sense due to it being clearly a bad idea due to the sheer cost of non-binned Phoenix APUs (with their entire iGPU and CPU cores intact). So for gaming on the side it's generally good to buy a Rembrandt-R laptop, Phoenix should only be bought by enthusiasts, especially because of the small performance improvement that is currently the case with RDNA 3. Also, if you want to future-proof your laptop, consider hooking it up to the M.2 to PCI-E Gen4 dock that ETA Prime made a few videos on. That's a cheap and great way to revive an old laptop with a 6-8-core CPU to play games on.
@@one_step_sideways It doesn't matter about "Affordable", it's last gen technology. No $hit older technology is more affordable. One can also go and buy a gtx 1060, its more affordable than a rtx 3060. It's an irrelevant point though. "which is never a good idea since 7735HS isn't far off from 7840HS in terms of any specs" You are making the case that there isn't a big difference going from zen 3 and rdna 2, to zen 4 and rdna 3. Besides being verifiably false, it also completely misses the plot. no one wants ancient technology. I usually read out the comments and try to act in good faith, but I can't go further. I don't want to resort to name slinging. Have a good day.
@@slickrounder6045 You compared a 2016 dGPU to a 2021 one, while I compared two YoY products. It's not exactly a proper comparison, unless you specifically intended to make a strawman argument. No one wants "ancient" technology which has actually working drivers instead of whatever we have right now, but there's a reason why people don't just drive around in sportscars and own flagship smartphones. AMD just wanted to open up a new market segment for enthusiasts longing for Threadripper-tier products in laptops, People exist outside of the US, you know, and it has a matching pricetag. Even in the US most people won't be able to buy such laptops because they can't buy food right now, so some might not even buy gaming products in the first place because they would rather work to provide for themselves and their family instead of wasting time playing sub-par videogames. Did I also mention that AAA-games are now garbage and that you don't need Radeon 780M to play indie titles? Radeon 680M can do all of that with roughly the same framerates right now. Buying a laptop with a last-gen processor with 15% less graphics performance for whopping 30% less than Phoenix isn't nearly as bad of an idea as you might think. But to drive the point home, consider that AMD wants to thank you for defending the overconsumption culture, all for free. Do you also use an iPhone 14 Pro Max to simply scroll Instagram or other social networks, which could be done as easily on a $250 smartphone?
@@one_step_sideways There is no Msrp difference between a 680m apu and a 780m apu. Just like there is no msrp difference between a 5800x3d and a 7800x3d (both have a $450 msrp. Ofcourse now one could get the 5800x3D for under $350). What happens is that over time old products go down in value. That's how the world works. In one year from now when Strix Point is released (Zen 5 & Rdna 3+ with up to 16 cu), it will have the same price as phoenix apu does at launch (And by then Phoenix Apu will be down to the same price that these Rembrandt family apu's that have the 680m cost). I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for you to understand. So effectively what you are arguing for is for people to get last gen products once they become discounted. That advice in a vacuum isn't strictly wrong, since there are times where that is correct (in this generation for instance its worth getting discounted 3070ti laptops over the bloated and expensive 4070 laptops, since the cards have effectively the same performance). However it misses the plot entirely in the Igpu market, where we don't already have "good enough" performance, and each successive generational upgrade is a huge step forward, to the point where even triple AAA games start to become playable at decent frame rates at above bare minimum settings and resolution. People are willing to pay a slight premium (and it is very slight) to get the newest tech now, instead of waiting for a year or more when its discounted and about to be usurped by a new superior generation. There are some people though that like buying old stuff when the price has dropped alot, and to have their upgrade cycles timed to that. Both approaches are valid.
Problem will be that the H-series APUs choke at power levels under 25W, at least from my experience. Trying to push the GPU ends up eating too much of the power budget such that the CPU limits its clocks to a detrimental level, as unlike the U-series they aren't tuned for the lower power range.
It is really surprising for an iGPU to be capable of beating a GTX 1650ti in performance! The AMD Radeon 780M APU reaches up to 8 Tflops @2800mhz clk speed with only 15w TGP (according to tech power up) which is amazing! Beats more than 30% of the budget gaming laptops market! I can't wait to see RDNA 4 APU chips available in mini PCs and next-gen handheld consoles!
@@tendosingh5682 yeah sure that's because of the Ryzen 9 7000s CPUs included but honestly it will be really good for the laptop and mini PCs market as time passes by.
A UA-cam short, showing the two different memory speeds and the benchmarks for them....or maybe standard length video several different speeds and single channel and dual channel. Sound good?? Actual gameplay may not be all that interesting, but some games do have integrated benchmarks....and those may be interesting to add to the synthetics.
I mean the big benefit to Phoenix isn't just the igpu, it's the rDNA 4 cores. Given Nvidia's price gouging, I'm really tempted to go igpu only and play at 720p.
Thanks for delivering this content! Great stuff! I'm hoping that my next laptop will be a Framework chassis with a 7x4x base, so this is wonderful. Also, this bodes VERY well for Zen 4 desktop APUs. Bring on the emulation videos! Switch, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, newer arcade stuff (Teknoparrot?).
@@PhotoJohn80 Look for the U chips instead, as H/HS/HX want more power to run optimally. The APUs built for 15-25W usage should walk all over this when limited such.
@@Fuogor I disagree. If you put the same watt and match the clock speed of the U chip it will perform like the U variant since it has the same gpu. Much like how hardware unboxed simulated the 7800x3d with a 7950x3d. It will show us the potential performance out of the upcoming handhelds.
@@ferdgerbeler8494 Only the 7x45 APUs are chiplets, the 7x40 APUs are monolithic. Dragon Range fares noticeably worse than Raptor Lake in idle power because of the always on IO die. Monolithic APUs don't have an IO die to worry about so power efficiency is much superior.
ahh, thanks everybody, i don't keep up on mobile chips so much, kind of think of them as fairly disposable, and not swappable, so not that interesting outside of handhelds.. and these are all so spendy, that it would put handhelds based on them outside of what i would consider toy-spend range..
This is really impressive considering it being just an APU. The high refresh rate screen definitely makes sense for esports games. Can't wait to see the next generations basically become the low-end discrete GPUs we didn't get with the latest generations from AMD and Nvidia.
Supposedly the 780m IGP is minimum 10% faster than the 680m but could be up to 20%. The mem speed and cpu clock speeds / tgp can throw that off a little bit The 780m's Theoretical Performance vs 680m to me says it should be a lot more but maybe TPU database is wrong Pixel Rate 92.80 GPixel/s 70.40 GPixel/s Texture Rate 139.2 GTexel/s 105.6 GTexel/s FP16 (half) 17.82 TFLOPS (2:1) 6.758 TFLOPS (2:1) FP32 (float) 8.909 TFLOPS 3.379 TFLOPS FP64 (double) 556.8 GFLOPS (1:16) 211.2 GFLOPS (1:16)
Really excited to see how the Ryzen 5 performs this time around. Pretty sure they bumped up the GPU core count to 8 CUs which should be a good balance given memory constraints.
As expected, DDR5 is almost tapped out for integrated graphics. We won't be seeing much improvement from here on out on APUs for the graphic side until DDR6.
Newer Lpddr5x will do a bit better. It can currently hit 8500mhz. While the latency isn’t great, the bandwidth is more important for GPUs. Also dells ram standard camm will likely help a lot too.
@@mrsittingmongoose As I've said before on this channel, faster ram will give incremental performance boosts, but we will not see a leap until DDR6. Or a quad channel setup like the SteamDeck.
dude! this is actually mind blowing.... like I'm planning on getting the steam deck next year, imagine! RDNA3?? holy damn.... even the RDNA2 is amazing
The Radeon 780M is the first chip I've seen that I actually think could give Valve a reason to do a successor to the Steam Deck. They will obviously customise the chip to their liking and to have it at a lower wattage, but even then I can see a wide enough improvement that could keep Valve's handheld's from limitations. We are so close to having a handheld that could also do amazing docked gameplay.
This is very similar to what the ASUS ROG Ally handheld is supposed to have. A custom RDNA 3.0 IGP with Zen 4 CPU cores. How many cpu cores ( 4, 6, 8 ) and graphics CU's ( 12 most likely ) we will have to see. Performance supposedly around 2x that of the Steamdeck but will be a bit pricier. 3 models rumors say $699 (649) $799 (749) and $899 (849). Numbers in ( ) is what I'm hoping for
I really wish they would just launch ultrabooks with these things. You can save the consumer a lot of money and the performance is plenty for someone who doesn't want a gaming laptop but may want something a little more powerful.
i got myself a 4090 and the system did cost me one month worth of salary, realy looking forward to my next build not requiring a external gpu at all. having a powerful machine in a very small form factor sounds very cool
Can you please test it with CachyOS Linux? CachyOS is an modified Arch that offers v3 (Zen) and v4 (Zen4) optimized kernel and userland. Even then MESA Drivers are optimzed. You can choose between a lot of different kernels, usually BORE or Zen Kernels are best for gaming. Please choose an v4 Version, because only this is optimized for AVX512.
If you're wondering why this video got unlisted is because there's a NDA and that gets lifted on April 30, where by then we should get more Phoenix 780M videos from other UA-camrs. Someone else has already gotten it.
Dedicated GPU memory does not matter, the driver allocates more system memory as needed with essentially zero overhead. It makes sense to set this to 1GB or less in BIOS to avoid eating into usable memory for the CPU.
Imagine is a little Steam Console launched with that APU for like 350 USD. Just the console some peripherals and a controller. The price to performance would be way off the charts
It could be on handheld but company like tsmc are pricing their nodes so expensive that the sellers have to sell them at a higher price to make a profit but it's not that they want to price them at this price.
When we get this on Desktop as the 7700G/7740G it should be much faster due to (most likely) supporting 6600-7000MT/s RAM thanks to the monolithic design, and the IMC being on a better node. Its not the drastic improvement you saw with Zen2 and 3 APUS, where the 4000G and 5000G often supported DDR4 4800-5000, where 3000x/5000x only supported at best 4133 with golden samples, but normally struggled above 3800C16 (i only have one late sample 5800X3D that could hit this, i had several that struggled with 3800MT/s)
@@tendosingh5682 We never would because they only support LPDDR5, and we didnt get desktops that supported DDR5 until most of the way through its life. By supporting 6000G on AM5 that would mean supporting just 2 processors, from the Zen3 family, and AMD already doesnt like supporting multiple processors on each generation of motherboard. 7000G is the same Zen4 architecture as existing AM5 CPUs, and has RDNA3, which will need to be supported for 8000X CPUs
It's hard to get excited, considering that these APUs are most likely going to be paired with a dedicated graphics anyway, therefore destroying their potential as a cool and efficient budget gaming laptop.
now test the performance with 4060, i need to know how fps much the 7940hs pulls in csgo and in cs2, not the untegrated graphics but the dedicated one...
2 questions: 1. How loud was the apu running games. 2. Why do you have to set amount of graphics memory? Doesn't it use unified system memory concept? Aka zero copy
Given that current APU's like the 7735HS are already bottlenecked by the system tdp and memory bandwidth I'm not really expecting more than a 25% uplift in gaming performance.
Got a lot planned for the APU so let me know what you want to see tested, a bit limited right now due to drivers but they should be out in the next few days.
DDR55? 1:50
Space engineers. that's a really important game for me pls test it if it's possible.
Just wondering were you still gonna make a video on the arc gpu with egpu enclosure?
Would love to see low-watt tests to simulate the U version: 8W, 11W, 15W, 20W, 28W.
Want to see it Undervolted with AATU (average chips should be able to hit a -20 offset, good chips should hit -25 or the full -30 offset. Even weak silicon lottery should be able to hit -15offset which is still a noticeable help). Awesome to see you used AATU to overclock the Gpu, that was awesome to see it hitting 3ghz in Cyberpunk!!
Can't wait to see this APU in Mini PCs. I'm so ready to make the jump from my huge desktop setup to a Mini PC, I just need it to be able to handle 1080p/med-to-high games decently for it to be realistic, and it seems like the 780M does the trick.
It's literally twice as powerful as the GTX 960m laptop I played pc games on just fine from 2016 to last year. Obviously with more money and more power, you can get way better results, but for budget & compact builds, this is a game-changer.
Meh, the cooling on sustained loads is really bad and noisy, personally I hope they release desktop apus.
Why dont you just build a mini itx?
@@mosesdavid5536 it's about 30% more expensive than m-atx and a nightmare to build and manage/maintain for a marginal volume gain.
@@pranze3484 Why not build an am4 or lga 1700 + 2nd hand gpu which would give you superior experience? For example
1660S $128.86
cpu cooler $23.80
Ryzen 5 5500 $80.49
b550 mini itx $99
ddr4 3200mhz $40
2x 90mm fan $14.20
atx power supply 450W $50
mini itx chassis $54.12
total: $546.59 + taxes
The performance is crazy, i wonder if there will be any low end gaming laptops released just with the APUs
The Phoenix APUs are destined to be featured only inside "elite laptops", likely starting from $1300. So no. If you want value per dollar, get the Ryzen 7 6800H or Ryzen 7 7735HS.
@@one_step_sideways Yeh us gaming laptop lovers get shafted with low end dedicated graphics that rocket up the price. We could see these Phoenix chips in competent gaming laptops under $1k, coupled with faster LPDDR5X (up to 7500mhz), completely skipped the lowly 1650's of the world. As it stands the only options are to get "ultrathins" with their lackluster cooling and limited tdp. We do have handheld gaming devices ofcourse, and with the Rog Ally rumored to hit just $650 with up to the coveted 7840u (same 8 cores of zen 4, same 12 CU Rdna 3 780m), it should be a banger.
@@slickrounder6045 I doubt that would happen, as I already own a laptop with a Ryzen 7 6800H without a dGPU that I got in early June on day one from China for $1044 including international shipping. The thing is a beast and a Macbook Pro 14" killer. The laptop is Redmibook Pro 15 2022 Ryzen Edition. To hit this pricetag with the current inflation and the same specs would be impossible.
The reason why I don't think it will be possible to do so is because of the prices for Framework 13 with Ryzen 7040. A Ryzen 5 7640U version costs $320 less than the Ryzen 7 7840U version, which is a huge divide between Ryzen 5 and Ryzen 7, which used to be only ~$70 before, including Ryzen 6000. So with Rembrandt, if for $70 more you used to get two more CPU cores and double the iGPU cores with faster clocks to get what is essentially a gaming dGPU for free, with Phoenix it's clearly not going to be the case because AMD found a goldmine and because TSMC's 4nm node is wicked expensive.
This is what I want. I do not like typical gaming laptops because of how bulky they are. I’d rather have a lightweight that can still game well
There better be a ryzen 5 with rdna 3.... I have a hp 14s-fq1008no bare bones laptop with r5 4500u and with the aded 16 gb ram I can play all sorts of games @ lower resolutions such as hell let loose and dark souls 3. I wonder how the rdna 3 version will do? Currently I am not interested in dgpu because it seems like a waste.
Finally a radeon 780M had appeared after months of waiting for the benchmarks
So exciting for handhelds and Mini's! The future is bright... and high FPS!
Cinebench R23 please
Algunos graficos comparativos
@@Gabgena cinebench is a CPU benchmark suite the GPU isn’t used there.
Looking forward to reviews covering systems with 7500 LPDDR5 memory. That might increase performance considerably as currently it seems to be heavily bottlenecked, considering the moderate performance jump from the 680M.
@tangled earphones low power
@tangled earphones Spec for AMD new silicon like this 7940 is 5600 DDR5 and 7400 or 7600 LPDDR5, but yeah most laptops will give you like a single 4800 stick. Not as big of a deal 1 dimm vs 2 on D5 but still a disadvantage. Mini PC's and handhelds should have the fast LPDDR5 ram
@tangled earphones because it is what phoenix for. Slim, powerful ultrabooks which are at least try to compete with new macbooks
@tangledearphones5512 cause low power means just that not low performance. 7600 is faster than 5600 ddr5.
Use smokeless umaf to push the tdp up, increase the available RAM to the GPU and OC.
Does smokeless umaf support Rembrandt APU laptop?
@@ilhambuono5451 it should
Wait, how do I check different power levels?
Finally solid 1080p performance from a apu/integrated graphics. In two years time handhelds will be good enough for 1080p gaming.
Wow. Close to 3200 points on Time Spy. My GTX1650 laptop pulls 3400 stock, and close to 3800 overclocked, though the CPU is obviously way higher on this new laptop so it kind of evens off. That's a crazy level of performance for an APU. Good job on this review.
So one should aim for a 1650 or better laptop which will be cheaper than the 780m apu laptops if gaming is the focus.
@@tendosingh5682 yes ofc
@@tendosingh5682 but from what I've seen it kinda performs better than the 1650 specially in eSports titles
This should beat the 1650 desktop version by a few % once proper drivers are out but laptop variants are weird in that the mobile GTX1650 (50W TGP, 8 Gbit GDDR6) can use all 1024 shaders of the TU117 chip making it faster than the desktop card by approximately 7% . There are also versions with 896 shaders (the OG w/ 8 Gbits GDDR6) that have been updated with fast 12 Gbits GDDR6 graphics memory ie the N18P-G61 cards
@@guccigabbana.8284 But it's gonna be helluva more expensive. Strictly for gaming only you'd better be off with a 10th gen i5 and a GTX1660Ti, for cheaper. Still, I'm really impressed by what this APU does.
it sucks that we have to buy GAMING laptop with powerful dgpu to get these new apu while the thin and light notebooks that need it the most are mostly shipped with rebranded last gen stuffs probably until q3/q4
Shooting themselves in the foot, not releasing without dgpus. But I believe we will see some in do time. Also there is the 7840 also. Just depends how much AMD will allow to be produced in quantity. They took to long on the 6000 series. But with 3 handhelds already announced with just 7840, the 7940 is of the same silicone.
Yeah I'd love to see one of these in something like the ROG Z flow with no dGPU, and a big price cut. This has a lot of applications it's not being used for.
The laptop you are looking for is the Framework laptop 16
2:10 you have DDR55 (an extra 5) instead of DDR5 and in the video description you have 56000MHz (an extra zero) instead of 5600MHz.
Hyyyypeeee!!! Can't wait for you test with final drivers and LP5x RAM to squeeze out more bandwidth!
Finally zen4/rdna3 combo is on the market! Those synthetic benchmarks are kind of low, wish it would get better with newer drivers. Cant wait for IGPU's to be on par with radeon rx590 and also allowed to allocate memory to 16gb.
A comparison test between the 48 and the 56 would be very interesting to see especially with a set parameter with memory size,clocks,and timing being set as identical as possible
The thing I never understand about these AMD APU's with great integrated graphics is that they are almost always exclusively put into very expensive laptops with dedicated gpu's. I alwats thought it made more sense to put into low to mid range laptops that wouldn't otherwise have a dedicated gpu.
My friend, I have the same thoughts. It’s genuinely super weird and I don’t understand why not a single laptop does this. Even with the last years release they didn’t do it. They have been doing it for Mini PCs but not for any laptops.
For real. I have this chip, and I’ve tested it and works great, but why would I use it over my 4060
Looking forward to other 780m devices, sucks to hear about the pre-launch driver issue but we finally seem to be nearing 1080p medium/high tier performance for PS4 era titles, which is the performance level these need to be to make the most of PS4 era titles on iGPU, and the point where these iGPU MiniPCs/handhelds become great gaming devices.
So hyped for the rog handheld
the 680m already plays elden ring really well on high, but more is always better of course
i hope intel competes with meteor lake so we can have a future where basic laptops and even fast Ultrabooks can rival consoles
I wish they'd put those 680m/780m graphics on an affordable dedicated entry level graphics card. Would probably be an interesting option for upgrading older systems, energy efficient, doesn't need enormous cooling solutions, up to date video engine, enough performance for casual gaming.
Well you need to upgrade CPU as it is iGPU. They are putting that in 8000 series of Ryzen 5.
Makes me even more excited to see what the new ASUS ROG handheld is going to be capable of. On the Emulation side mainly, I'm thinking all retro systems running at a full 100% 1080p native scaling 60fps especially PS VITA emulation.
Yeah it's going to be a beast.
Yeah but dont forget this is a big upper bound on performance, with the Apu at 70w at all times.
Even the Asus handheld will run at half of the tdp and wont reach 2.8ghz on gpu, probably 2 or 2.2
Could you please include graphs directly comparing performance versus the 680m and other graphics solutions? Would be nice to able to see the relative performance.
could you imagine this New AMD Ryzen 9 7940HS in a mini PC made by steam with the steamos. This would be a console killer for most 1080p gamers no more paywall. Plus they could make it for a reasonable price because they sell games like the consoles. 😁👍👍👍
Valve were way ahead of their time with the steam machine. They should look at making an affordable PC with a powerful APU running steam OS.
I'm super excited for this because its monolithic like the rest of Ryzen's mobile chips, unlike Dragon Range (7045 series).
That means idle power is a lot lower as it doesn't have an infinity fabric that needs constant power, so battery life will be excellent.
AMD also said the reason for the delay for these was due to working with OEM's, so perhaps AMD's initial clocks were seen as too aggressive for the cooling solutions OEM's were using.
Damn my laptop has this chip plus the 4060, but my old laptop had Vega7 and this blows it out of the water
ETA Prime is on every tech blog now )) I think you should make your reviews more detailed from today as the first one who hands on the new APUs
I can't wait for the RDNA3 mini PCs, with better drivers this will cruise through anything at 1080p.
Definitely looking forward to MiniPCs based on this APU.
Why is the video unlisted?
If steam deck had this APU it be would be my dream machine, even without OLED or resolution beyond 1200X800
i wish these chips would also be put on regular laptops that dont have dedicated GPU's instead of always getting put on gaming laptops. Like the price cut would be really nice and makes it more affordable for budget
It would kill the market of steam deck and other portable gaming PCs
@@SigmaGigaChad-yv4ci handheld has their own market already, the niche in handheld is how portable they are so i dont think it'll kill off the market. Then again portables now are even more expensive than regular laptops so i suppose prices would go down if that's what you're worried about
Yeah there is it's called the Framework laptop 16
My Inwin Chopin is excited for an upgrade. Excellent APU graphics right there
About what I expected. A small increase of in performance over the 680m. It's about a 10-20% difference it looks like.
I would think at lower resolutions like 720p it’s closer to 30%. Especially with good drivers. Keep in mind these apus are memory starved so they will do disproportionately bad at higher resolutions.
Still crazy performance for an iGPU.
LPDDR5/X should widen the gap to around 30%, and given these are pre-launch drivers I expect that 10% performance increase minimum to be more like 20%. Once things are polished a bit more we could see up to 40%
For the reference, Radeon 680M is better than GTX 1050 Ti Desktop in H-series APUs (at 45W TDP). An overclocked iGPU will give you around +5-7% performance in games at the cost of much higher power consumption that many laptops will not be able to deal with, overclocking is not worth it.
Given a few driver updates (remember, Radeon 680M was also rather bad at launch, specifically in games like CS:GO with only 120FPS at launch and 200 FPS after a couple months), Radeon 780M will be better in gaming. But I don't think that the difference will be too big compared to Radeon 680M. When 680M came out, it provided a 2.5x increase in performance compared to Vega 8 (7nm), so if you intend to buy an affordable laptop for general productivity and gaming on the side (especially for gaming on battery power) - grab one with a Ryzen 7 7735HS, unless the Ryzen 7 7840HS laptops will be 1) in stock, and 2) have a price difference of less than $150.
No one should be grabbing a 7735HS since its just a rebranded 6900HS. We want Zen 4 and 12 CU of Rdna 3 780m, which is why we need the 7840HS/7940HS or 7840u. Prices will eventually be good on those, albeit demand will be sky high, but no need to settle for old tech rebranded with the mislead 7xxx moniker.
@@slickrounder6045 You missed the part where I said that 7735HS will be affordable compared to 7840HS. The difference isn't that big, and for the 7840HS you end up paying the high-end tax, which is never a good idea since 7735HS isn't far off from 7840HS in terms of any specs. I also doubt many people are going to do a lot of CPU computing, so extra CPU performance is unnecessary unless they will be making money on it, like when you're a software developer that wants to reduce compile times as much as possible and/or compile or render things on battery power (for some reason).
If someone intends to buy a future-proofed machine for some reason, it still doesn't make much sense due to it being clearly a bad idea due to the sheer cost of non-binned Phoenix APUs (with their entire iGPU and CPU cores intact). So for gaming on the side it's generally good to buy a Rembrandt-R laptop, Phoenix should only be bought by enthusiasts, especially because of the small performance improvement that is currently the case with RDNA 3.
Also, if you want to future-proof your laptop, consider hooking it up to the M.2 to PCI-E Gen4 dock that ETA Prime made a few videos on. That's a cheap and great way to revive an old laptop with a 6-8-core CPU to play games on.
@@one_step_sideways It doesn't matter about "Affordable", it's last gen technology. No $hit older technology is more affordable. One can also go and buy a gtx 1060, its more affordable than a rtx 3060. It's an irrelevant point though.
"which is never a good idea since 7735HS isn't far off from 7840HS in terms of any specs"
You are making the case that there isn't a big difference going from zen 3 and rdna 2, to zen 4 and rdna 3. Besides being verifiably false, it also completely misses the plot. no one wants ancient technology.
I usually read out the comments and try to act in good faith, but I can't go further. I don't want to resort to name slinging. Have a good day.
@@slickrounder6045 You compared a 2016 dGPU to a 2021 one, while I compared two YoY products. It's not exactly a proper comparison, unless you specifically intended to make a strawman argument.
No one wants "ancient" technology which has actually working drivers instead of whatever we have right now, but there's a reason why people don't just drive around in sportscars and own flagship smartphones. AMD just wanted to open up a new market segment for enthusiasts longing for Threadripper-tier products in laptops, People exist outside of the US, you know, and it has a matching pricetag. Even in the US most people won't be able to buy such laptops because they can't buy food right now, so some might not even buy gaming products in the first place because they would rather work to provide for themselves and their family instead of wasting time playing sub-par videogames.
Did I also mention that AAA-games are now garbage and that you don't need Radeon 780M to play indie titles? Radeon 680M can do all of that with roughly the same framerates right now. Buying a laptop with a last-gen processor with 15% less graphics performance for whopping 30% less than Phoenix isn't nearly as bad of an idea as you might think. But to drive the point home, consider that AMD wants to thank you for defending the overconsumption culture, all for free. Do you also use an iPhone 14 Pro Max to simply scroll Instagram or other social networks, which could be done as easily on a $250 smartphone?
@@one_step_sideways There is no Msrp difference between a 680m apu and a 780m apu. Just like there is no msrp difference between a 5800x3d and a 7800x3d (both have a $450 msrp. Ofcourse now one could get the 5800x3D for under $350). What happens is that over time old products go down in value. That's how the world works. In one year from now when Strix Point is released (Zen 5 & Rdna 3+ with up to 16 cu), it will have the same price as phoenix apu does at launch (And by then Phoenix Apu will be down to the same price that these Rembrandt family apu's that have the 680m cost). I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for you to understand.
So effectively what you are arguing for is for people to get last gen products once they become discounted. That advice in a vacuum isn't strictly wrong, since there are times where that is correct (in this generation for instance its worth getting discounted 3070ti laptops over the bloated and expensive 4070 laptops, since the cards have effectively the same performance). However it misses the plot entirely in the Igpu market, where we don't already have "good enough" performance, and each successive generational upgrade is a huge step forward, to the point where even triple AAA games start to become playable at decent frame rates at above bare minimum settings and resolution. People are willing to pay a slight premium (and it is very slight) to get the newest tech now, instead of waiting for a year or more when its discounted and about to be usurped by a new superior generation. There are some people though that like buying old stuff when the price has dropped alot, and to have their upgrade cycles timed to that. Both approaches are valid.
Definitely needs some 15-watt testing!! This will give us an idea how the new generation handheld PCs like the ASUS model will perform.
Asus said gaming handheld will use custom cpu.
Problem will be that the H-series APUs choke at power levels under 25W, at least from my experience. Trying to push the GPU ends up eating too much of the power budget such that the CPU limits its clocks to a detrimental level, as unlike the U-series they aren't tuned for the lower power range.
It is really surprising for an iGPU to be capable of beating a GTX 1650ti in performance! The AMD Radeon 780M APU reaches up to 8 Tflops @2800mhz clk speed with only 15w TGP (according to tech power up) which is amazing! Beats more than 30% of the budget gaming laptops market!
I can't wait to see RDNA 4 APU chips available in mini PCs and next-gen handheld consoles!
But it will be far more expensive than a 1650 level dgpu laptop.
@@tendosingh5682 yeah sure that's because of the Ryzen 9 7000s CPUs included but honestly it will be really good for the laptop and mini PCs market as time passes by.
hopefully a mini pc with 7940 igpu with 7200 LPDDR5 up to 64GB and can allocate up to 16GB of VRAM
I'm really looking forward to what this can do with faster ram and better drivers in emulation
Also, include battery life in the final review. This is the world's first 4nm x86 processor and AMD claimed they beat Apple's M2 in battery life.
A UA-cam short, showing the two different memory speeds and the benchmarks for them....or maybe standard length video several different speeds and single channel and dual channel.
Sound good?? Actual gameplay may not be all that interesting, but some games do have integrated benchmarks....and those may be interesting to add to the synthetics.
I mean the big benefit to Phoenix isn't just the igpu, it's the rDNA 4 cores. Given Nvidia's price gouging, I'm really tempted to go igpu only and play at 720p.
Thanks for delivering this content! Great stuff! I'm hoping that my next laptop will be a Framework chassis with a 7x4x base, so this is wonderful. Also, this bodes VERY well for Zen 4 desktop APUs. Bring on the emulation videos! Switch, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, newer arcade stuff (Teknoparrot?).
I’d actually like to see a 15watt to see how it compares to the steam deck and other handhelds
7840hs or lower. This chip is too power hungry. Good showing for what the gpu can do though.
@@Luke-qs2cg um ok??? What do you mean??? If you limit it to 15 watts it can show performance gains 15 vs 15. What are you going on about?
@@PhotoJohn80 Look for the U chips instead, as H/HS/HX want more power to run optimally. The APUs built for 15-25W usage should walk all over this when limited such.
@@Fuogor I disagree. If you put the same watt and match the clock speed of the U chip it will perform like the U variant since it has the same gpu. Much like how hardware unboxed simulated the 7800x3d with a 7950x3d. It will show us the potential performance out of the upcoming handhelds.
Now we just need the 780m paired with processor chiplets that sane people would consider using with an igpu, like a ryzen 3...
Chiplets hurt battery life, dude🤦♂
@@vncube1 are the 7000 series rdna3 apus monolithic? i figured everything was chiplettes for amd now..
@@ferdgerbeler8494 this one is monolithic. 7045hx would be chiplets
@@ferdgerbeler8494 Only the 7x45 APUs are chiplets, the 7x40 APUs are monolithic. Dragon Range fares noticeably worse than Raptor Lake in idle power because of the always on IO die. Monolithic APUs don't have an IO die to worry about so power efficiency is much superior.
ahh, thanks everybody, i don't keep up on mobile chips so much, kind of think of them as fairly disposable, and not swappable, so not that interesting outside of handhelds.. and these are all so spendy, that it would put handhelds based on them outside of what i would consider toy-spend range..
Love the power of the new APUs. Going to be some amazing SFF products out there.
This is really impressive considering it being just an APU. The high refresh rate screen definitely makes sense for esports games. Can't wait to see the next generations basically become the low-end discrete GPUs we didn't get with the latest generations from AMD and Nvidia.
For this video i waited so long, finally is here.
This is exciting. The release of the 7000 series hopefully means that the 6800U and 6600U might finally become readily available!
Hopefully for at least mid range laptops so i will buy it
There will be 7X35, that are the same as 6XXX.
Would be great see comparisons to previous gen hardware for better understanding how they have improved.
Supposedly the 780m IGP is minimum 10% faster than the 680m but could be up to 20%. The mem speed and cpu clock speeds / tgp can throw that off a little bit
The 780m's Theoretical Performance vs 680m to me says it should be a lot more but maybe TPU database is wrong
Pixel Rate
92.80 GPixel/s 70.40 GPixel/s
Texture Rate
139.2 GTexel/s 105.6 GTexel/s
FP16 (half)
17.82 TFLOPS (2:1) 6.758 TFLOPS (2:1)
FP32 (float)
8.909 TFLOPS 3.379 TFLOPS
FP64 (double)
556.8 GFLOPS (1:16) 211.2 GFLOPS (1:16)
I think it would be good to see the delta with the ram speed, APU's typically scale well with RAM speed, curious on that.
Wish amd would release the desktop variants as we can use better ddr5 speed
The Steam Deck 2 with RDNA3 will be nuts.
Hey, you didn't tested Skyrim SE. I was awaiting for that. I wanted to see how does it perform.
we need an emulation video with that ryzen!!
Really excited to see how the Ryzen 5 performs this time around. Pretty sure they bumped up the GPU core count to 8 CUs which should be a good balance given memory constraints.
Amd apus are beautiful, I'd love if they just made a 6 core cpu with double the gpu
As expected, DDR5 is almost tapped out for integrated graphics. We won't be seeing much improvement from here on out on APUs for the graphic side until DDR6.
Newer Lpddr5x will do a bit better. It can currently hit 8500mhz. While the latency isn’t great, the bandwidth is more important for GPUs.
Also dells ram standard camm will likely help a lot too.
@Master_Misanthrope this chip with hba would be sick.
To be honest a custom chip with 4 cores and hba2 would be ideal.
@Master_Misanthrope would cost too much. Not a good product to buy, but cool to dream about.
@@mrsittingmongoose As I've said before on this channel, faster ram will give incremental performance boosts, but we will not see a leap until DDR6. Or a quad channel setup like the SteamDeck.
dude! this is actually mind blowing.... like I'm planning on getting the steam deck next year, imagine! RDNA3?? holy damn.... even the RDNA2 is amazing
The Radeon 780M is the first chip I've seen that I actually think could give Valve a reason to do a successor to the Steam Deck. They will obviously customise the chip to their liking and to have it at a lower wattage, but even then I can see a wide enough improvement that could keep Valve's handheld's from limitations.
We are so close to having a handheld that could also do amazing docked gameplay.
This is very similar to what the ASUS ROG Ally handheld is supposed to have. A custom RDNA 3.0 IGP with Zen 4 CPU cores. How many cpu cores ( 4, 6, 8 ) and graphics CU's ( 12 most likely ) we will have to see. Performance supposedly around 2x that of the Steamdeck but will be a bit pricier. 3 models rumors say $699 (649) $799 (749) and $899 (849). Numbers in ( ) is what I'm hoping for
Looks like we finally hit that 1080p - Medium sweet spot!
I really wish they would just launch ultrabooks with these things. You can save the consumer a lot of money and the performance is plenty for someone who doesn't want a gaming laptop but may want something a little more powerful.
i got myself a 4090 and the system did cost me one month worth of salary, realy looking forward to my next build not requiring a external gpu at all.
having a powerful machine in a very small form factor sounds very cool
Can you please test it with CachyOS Linux? CachyOS is an modified Arch that offers v3 (Zen) and v4 (Zen4) optimized kernel and userland. Even then MESA Drivers are optimzed. You can choose between a lot of different kernels, usually BORE or Zen Kernels are best for gaming. Please choose an v4 Version, because only this is optimized for AVX512.
1:48 DDR55? bro's Livin in the future lmao
If you're wondering why this video got unlisted is because there's a NDA and that gets lifted on April 30, where by then we should get more Phoenix 780M videos from other UA-camrs. Someone else has already gotten it.
They finally did it mr prime. They finally broke the 1080p medium barrier.
I'm glad you touched upon the fact its still beta drivers, many people don't mention that. Hoping proper drivers come out so you can do the review.
Picked up the 4070 model with this igpu. It ran fallout 4 maxed at 60 without even kicking off the dgpu. Such a powerful igpu wasted on this system
UM790 Pro is already out. I just ordered the Barebones version. Im pulling the RAM and SSD from the UM773.
Dedicated GPU memory does not matter, the driver allocates more system memory as needed with essentially zero overhead. It makes sense to set this to 1GB or less in BIOS to avoid eating into usable memory for the CPU.
True! BUT some games won't start if they think you only have 512mb or vram. So it should be possible to adjust it in the bios for these occasions.
Imagine is a little Steam Console launched with that APU for like 350 USD. Just the console some peripherals and a controller. The price to performance would be way off the charts
Wow it's so fast, now imagine it on handheld, what a time to be alive!
It could be on handheld but company like tsmc are pricing their nodes so expensive that the sellers have to sell them at a higher price to make a profit but it's not that they want to price them at this price.
The only problem is TDP now larger batteries equal larger sizes hopefully they come up with the sodium batteries soon
Imagine they added soldered vram and dram at the same time for cpu and igpu would be amazing. Nice apu.
When we get this on Desktop as the 7700G/7740G it should be much faster due to (most likely) supporting 6600-7000MT/s RAM thanks to the monolithic design, and the IMC being on a better node.
Its not the drastic improvement you saw with Zen2 and 3 APUS, where the 4000G and 5000G often supported DDR4 4800-5000, where 3000x/5000x only supported at best 4133 with golden samples, but normally struggled above 3800C16
(i only have one late sample 5800X3D that could hit this, i had several that struggled with 3800MT/s)
We didn't even get 6xxxG's yet.
@@tendosingh5682 We never would because they only support LPDDR5, and we didnt get desktops that supported DDR5 until most of the way through its life.
By supporting 6000G on AM5 that would mean supporting just 2 processors, from the Zen3 family, and AMD already doesnt like supporting multiple processors on each generation of motherboard.
7000G is the same Zen4 architecture as existing AM5 CPUs, and has RDNA3, which will need to be supported for 8000X CPUs
I think 780m is clearly bandwith starved. Can you test it out again with lddr5x 7500? That should show the true performance of this APU.
Once a new laptop with LPDDR5X and Phoenix launches I'm sure he will
It's hard to get excited, considering that these APUs are most likely going to be paired with a dedicated graphics anyway, therefore destroying their potential as a cool and efficient budget gaming laptop.
I think this will be the same chip that we will find on the outcoming ROG ALLY
Can't wait til we get this to mini pc with 780M
Freaking cool review. Full of useful information, great editing, and watching the whole video were delighting and enjoyable.
apus ftww
cant wait for those apu boxes
Also please test with lpddr5 so should be even fasted. Like upcomming lenovo z series
Can’t wait for the Ally with RDNA 3.
Where do you get your animated wallpapers from?
thank you ETA PRIME! This is the APU I will be watching for when it comes to a minipc. Should be a healthy upgrade from my 8550u
This is what the performance for the rog ally is gonna be like. I can’t wait
oh yeah! driver improvements, more and faster ram in mini pc will make a big difference - pretty solid for first look!
I just noticed you hit a million subs. Congratulations!!! 🎉🎉🎉
THIS GPU open a new way to consume AAA Games !! love that
I like the direction this APU is heading.
Exa exciting ETA.
Kindest regards.
Currently only getting 4000 on 3DMark with the Same System 🤔🤔 (memory is only 16GB and only 4800Mhz, but that can't be it, rest is identical)
Can you do the tests with the laptop unplugged as well? Very curious to see the performance and total battery life.
now test the performance with 4060, i need to know how fps much the 7940hs pulls in csgo and in cs2, not the untegrated graphics but the dedicated one...
2 questions:
1. How loud was the apu running games.
2. Why do you have to set amount of graphics memory? Doesn't it use unified system memory concept? Aka zero copy
a desktop variant of this apu would be amazing..would make a perfect lil gaming pc. hope they consider making one.
Can't wait for the Mini PC with this CPU/APU :')
I hope beelink and minisforum will make a great work with this APU.
Which mini PCs are coming with 7040hs?
I wish my country had this stuff, cause we only have tuf a with 4060 and r7 7735HS
Given that current APU's like the 7735HS are already bottlenecked by the system tdp and memory bandwidth I'm not really expecting more than a 25% uplift in gaming performance.
This performance makes me even more hyped for the ROG ally.
Hope more games to be tested and with comparison to 680M
If they throw out the discrete GPU and filled in that space with a second battery it would be an _amazing_ on-the-go gaming station!
Flow x13 with this chip should be an absolute beast
Woot, can't wait for the minis forum or beelink mini PC with LPDDR5 version of that chip and your emulation video, BOTW in yuzu gonna be awesome