Totally agree, glad someone has made this. The aircraft in MSFS feel so rigid. FBW has done an amazing job with this, by making their own custom wingflex model, and Fenix are also working on this atm!
@projectflightyoutube it's something I noticed after my real life flight. In VR everything feels so static. I hope GSX adds some passenger animations too in reaction to turbulence, rapid deacceleration... that's if we want full immersion.
Man I’m really glad you did this video. I’ve been commenting on this for a very long time and non of the developers took note. I hope they all see this. 👏🏾 👏🏾
@EKMODELS-du6xs it really makes you feel the weight of the jet and how air flow affects everything on the wing. After couple of my real flights, I noticed this is missing on most jets in msfs. Also wing flex doesn't just bend, different sections of the wing also shakes and vibrates as they flex.
After playing DCS F4 by heatblur, I noticed alot of those subtle animations are missing in flight sim. For example, those external fuel tanks on the F4 shake violently when pulling high G. FBW A380 did them right, now the jet doesn't just feel static.
The product is in early access. If you provide the feedback directly to the developer instead of making it look like you’re shaming the product, perhaps you can help influence the development. Your observations are great, the delivery feels very finger pointy to me.
The description literally praised how much better it is than PMDG. Racing Sims have added some of those subtle things to make you feel the speed and inertia visually. I think we can do the same for FS. We got games now days with insanely detailed cloth simulation, motion capture... jets can do the same.
@@elliotjones3607 It's a very high quality jet. In terms of systems, cabin and everything. The external physics need to be improved to make it more alive.
I feel like the engine model is a bit off should be titled more upwards but I got clowned for pointing that out in the discord recently so maybe im tripping
No surprise. A sim will never be to everything like the real thing. MSFS doesn’t have the best physics. One of the main reasons I use XP12. Even my flight school uses XPLANE.
@RideWithMe80 touch up? Not when vnav is careless with holding set speeds and lnav sometimes over shoots turns. The systems need work hence why they're not calling this an official product but a pre-release. The engine spool up is also very unrealistic. Basically on the ground it's like riding any small airplane. It'll improve I have faith in them and like I said we have to support these devs so that they have the resources to improve and potentially add more. However 70 bucks for a pre release and a single model🙈 im about to buy msfs2024😭😭
@denziiey touch up include that. At least it's way better than TFDI MD11 and aerosoft a330. I hope they add in more work they are almost there. Yes LNAV overshoots
@RideWithMe80 oh yes definitely better than Aerosoft..ost importantly is im glad they're received well. These guys are talented and we need talented developers encouraged because software is t easy especially for simulation. I just wish it wasn't an airplane that is about to become saturated like the A320. Cause 2024 has a max and pmdg is gonna make a max. So many other aircraft which are not in development I just hope we don't have a bunch of duplicates and triplicates when there are other places which are not in existence in the sim
Exactly. I feel like the external model is like an arcade model. Not as realistic as PMDG. It feels like they imported fsx version of the aircraft to msfs. Also, Ifly didn't use 3D scan technology like PMDG. I feel like i paid 70 dollars just for the sounds😢.
Nice demonstration, I agree! It would be really nice with a dynamic wingflex. FBW made a really nice job on the A380 with the wing flex and engine wobbling despite the limitations from the sim. as can be seen here; ua-cam.com/video/1AsqZ8Couw4/v-deo.html :D
@@GateReady-v7z a380 was amazing especially in VR. From my real life flight I noticed those things that I didn't quite pick up on while flying on a 34" monitor. Even in the cockpit, like the dashboard, sunshade, EFB mount, EFB cable should shake a bit
What do you people expect? The planes in the arcade flying game MSFS are made by MS and companies who have little to no experience with flight simulators....
Totally agree, glad someone has made this. The aircraft in MSFS feel so rigid. FBW has done an amazing job with this, by making their own custom wingflex model, and Fenix are also working on this atm!
@projectflightyoutube it's something I noticed after my real life flight. In VR everything feels so static. I hope GSX adds some passenger animations too in reaction to turbulence, rapid deacceleration... that's if we want full immersion.
We got pf in here lol
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@@MSDAviation_ lol
Man I’m really glad you did this video. I’ve been commenting on this for a very long time and non of the developers took note. I hope they all see this. 👏🏾 👏🏾
@DominicanRat83 I started noticing it right after my real life flight sitting up front. Those things are 100% static. Slats shake too
For anyone wondering, this is also a feature more clearly in the FBWA380X
@EKMODELS-du6xs it really makes you feel the weight of the jet and how air flow affects everything on the wing. After couple of my real flights, I noticed this is missing on most jets in msfs. Also wing flex doesn't just bend, different sections of the wing also shakes and vibrates as they flex.
Engine wobble is the coolest thing to watch besides wing flex, no plane in msfs does this right
After playing DCS F4 by heatblur, I noticed alot of those subtle animations are missing in flight sim. For example, those external fuel tanks on the F4 shake violently when pulling high G. FBW A380 did them right, now the jet doesn't just feel static.
The PMDG 777 has some good engine wobble too in all fairness
@@rileyoldfield3503 yeh it does but doesn’t feel realistic to me, if u watch the way real engine wobbles it feels a bit different
@rileyoldfield3503 it's key framed animation. Not dynamic not sure if fs support softbody simulation. Let's wait until fs2024.
@ ah I see, hopefully fs2024 supports this
PMDG > Ifly, but that is not to say it is a bad aircraft. PMDG will always be the people to beat.
@@karans9228 pmdg is pretty solid
The flaps on the Fenix shake when extended
Yes that 's very accurate. I hope that add some engine wobble
The product is in early access. If you provide the feedback directly to the developer instead of making it look like you’re shaming the product, perhaps you can help influence the development.
Your observations are great, the delivery feels very finger pointy to me.
The description literally praised how much better it is than PMDG. Racing Sims have added some of those subtle things to make you feel the speed and inertia visually. I think we can do the same for FS. We got games now days with insanely detailed cloth simulation, motion capture... jets can do the same.
@@RideWithMe80 I honestly didn't see the description, which is also why I think the video is missing that context.
@@elliotjones3607 It's a very high quality jet. In terms of systems, cabin and everything. The external physics need to be improved to make it more alive.
I feel like the engine model is a bit off should be titled more upwards but I got clowned for pointing that out in the discord recently so maybe im tripping
They don't use 3D scan technology.
The animations arent working correctly in the replay
@simulatorkeks8297 I noticed that too. But in real time flying, it's the same thing.
No surprise. A sim will never be to everything like the real thing. MSFS doesn’t have the best physics.
One of the main reasons I use XP12. Even my flight school uses XPLANE.
The Zibo 737 has some of the physics such as flap shake animation if I had a rough landing/rapid deacceleration
Even the elevators are static. The plane feels arcadic.... it'll get better they have our full support. But people glazed this plane way too hard
@denziiey the system and everything is top notch. It just need some touch up. Cockpit vibration should be added too.
@RideWithMe80 touch up? Not when vnav is careless with holding set speeds and lnav sometimes over shoots turns. The systems need work hence why they're not calling this an official product but a pre-release. The engine spool up is also very unrealistic. Basically on the ground it's like riding any small airplane. It'll improve I have faith in them and like I said we have to support these devs so that they have the resources to improve and potentially add more. However 70 bucks for a pre release and a single model🙈 im about to buy msfs2024😭😭
@denziiey touch up include that. At least it's way better than TFDI MD11 and aerosoft a330. I hope they add in more work they are almost there. Yes LNAV overshoots
@RideWithMe80 oh yes definitely better than Aerosoft..ost importantly is im glad they're received well. These guys are talented and we need talented developers encouraged because software is t easy especially for simulation. I just wish it wasn't an airplane that is about to become saturated like the A320. Cause 2024 has a max and pmdg is gonna make a max. So many other aircraft which are not in development I just hope we don't have a bunch of duplicates and triplicates when there are other places which are not in existence in the sim
Exactly. I feel like the external model is like an arcade model. Not as realistic as PMDG. It feels like they imported fsx version of the aircraft to msfs. Also, Ifly didn't use 3D scan technology like PMDG. I feel like i paid 70 dollars just for the sounds😢.
it would be cool but its so small that i dont think its a big issue
@@OneApollo it just feels too static
@ fair enough, but i think that its not bad, also im pretty sure there is mods to help
is this video taken by PMDG??
PMDG's wing view feels so dead.
😂 this is MsFs what u expect
@@qwerty85620 I wonder if the developers just don't wanna do it or is there physics limitation
Nice demonstration, I agree! It would be really nice with a dynamic wingflex.
FBW made a really nice job on the A380 with the wing flex and engine wobbling despite the limitations from the sim.
as can be seen here;
ua-cam.com/video/1AsqZ8Couw4/v-deo.html
:D
@@GateReady-v7z a380 was amazing especially in VR. From my real life flight I noticed those things that I didn't quite pick up on while flying on a 34" monitor. Even in the cockpit, like the dashboard, sunshade, EFB mount, EFB cable should shake a bit
What do you people expect? The planes in the arcade flying game MSFS are made by MS and companies who have little to no experience with flight simulators....
It's a 3rd party addon...What point are you making?
I don't think you realise this is a 3rd party addon. It's not made by microsoft
Cowan sim did a good job making some of those details into helicopters. Helicopter vibrates alot!
As opposed to that incredibly realistic simulation program KSP lol
Everything in this comment is false.