The part about Kirk in the chapel makes me think that it again shows that Kirk is more than the “shoot from the hip” cowboy. He’s not religious but is respectful. As you said, a diplomat. A lot like Pike in Disco S2 ‘New Eden’. Burnham is almost dismissive of faith, but Pike, though not a believer, is able to smooth things out by being respectful.
So many good performances here but I love how Nimoy played it with his facial expressions when Stiles goes on his first racist rant on the bridge. He almost looked like his feelings were hurt, but I think seeing what Romulans looked like for the first time had Spock mentally unpacking Vulcan history and their potential connection to the Romulans. He was strategizing. This then comes out in the conference room as Spock says, it’s likely their two races may have a common lineage and why he was so adamant about not showing weakness. Also, Kirk sent Uhura to the navigation station when Stiles went to help out on weapons. Imagine the (TV visual) of having a competent woman of color (in 1966), taken out of her role and put into a very difficult position when the stakes are at their highest. I’ll criticize TOS for its misogyny all day but this, I think, was a super badass moment. It showed Uhura’s abilities and the confidence the captain had in her and she didn’t show an ounce of hesitation.
Could part of why this episode is just so good, so real be that Roddenberry experienced something like this in The Navy? This and the SNW version are just the best
Like Matt, this is certainly my favorite episode of TOS. Every submarine movie, every sci fi film where they are in a ship that's isolated AND is a under some type of threat, I remember this episode.
Discovered the podcast a few months back (already an Undecided viewer) and binged my way to now. I gotta say the bit where Sean asks Matt to "sing a few bars......great!" gets me every time. One little thing that is missing since Enterprise ended...I am no longer reminded with every episode what the registry number is. I miss it! This is easily one of, if not my favorite TOS episode. Fantastic tension. World building with the Romulans and Vulcans. One of the first episodes to really hint at the much larger galaxy we will get to know over the next decades.
Alex: The Answer -- carbohydrates, proteins, some fats and DNA, comprised of elements hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, etc. Spock: What are little girls made of? Alex: Correct! Spock is now in the lead with $1701.
The plot for What Are Little Girls Made Of? Going back to 20th century Earth to correct a past mistake, Kirk and Spock encounter difficulties but are assisted by a 6 year old boy named Han. Han quotes the snakes, snails and puppy dog tales bit about boys, Spock logically corrects him, then asks "What are little girls made of?" Before Han can answer Kirk and Spock hurriedly leave, and Han starts a lifelong quest to answer that question. Han's full name? Hannibal Lector.
Why can't the Romulans and Federation be friends? Because the Romulan government was sliding into what was named fascism in the Enemy Below. Both stories showed sympathetic antagonists caught in the the hatred and prejudice of their time. That's why Roddenberry's character of Styles is so essential. That's what makes this Star Trek. It's what Strange New Worlds missed completely.
The part about Kirk in the chapel makes me think that it again shows that Kirk is more than the “shoot from the hip” cowboy.
He’s not religious but is respectful. As you said, a diplomat. A lot like Pike in Disco S2 ‘New Eden’. Burnham is almost dismissive of faith, but Pike, though not a believer, is able to smooth things out by being respectful.
So many good performances here but I love how Nimoy played it with his facial expressions when Stiles goes on his first racist rant on the bridge. He almost looked like his feelings were hurt, but I think seeing what Romulans looked like for the first time had Spock mentally unpacking Vulcan history and their potential connection to the Romulans. He was strategizing. This then comes out in the conference room as Spock says, it’s likely their two races may have a common lineage and why he was so adamant about not showing weakness.
Also, Kirk sent Uhura to the navigation station when Stiles went to help out on weapons. Imagine the (TV visual) of having a competent woman of color (in 1966), taken out of her role and put into a very difficult position when the stakes are at their highest. I’ll criticize TOS for its misogyny all day but this, I think, was a super badass moment. It showed Uhura’s abilities and the confidence the captain had in her and she didn’t show an ounce of hesitation.
Could part of why this episode is just so good, so real be that Roddenberry experienced something like this in The Navy? This and the SNW version are just the best
Like Matt, this is certainly my favorite episode of TOS. Every submarine movie, every sci fi film where they are in a ship that's isolated AND is a under some type of threat, I remember this episode.
Discovered the podcast a few months back (already an Undecided viewer) and binged my way to now.
I gotta say the bit where Sean asks Matt to "sing a few bars......great!" gets me every time.
One little thing that is missing since Enterprise ended...I am no longer reminded with every episode what the registry number is. I miss it!
This is easily one of, if not my favorite TOS episode. Fantastic tension. World building with the Romulans and Vulcans. One of the first episodes to really hint at the much larger galaxy we will get to know over the next decades.
After Kirk consoles Angela, in the chapel, the outro of him, marching down the corridor, is for me, the quintessential Captain Kirk.
It's a wonderful moment and the music really helps to sell it.
Alex: The Answer -- carbohydrates, proteins, some fats and DNA, comprised of elements hydrogen, carbon, oxygen, nitrogen, etc.
Spock: What are little girls made of?
Alex: Correct! Spock is now in the lead with $1701.
Again with handing it to Matt to sing, good lord I'm 6 years old I literally LOL'd.
The plot for What Are Little Girls Made Of?
Going back to 20th century Earth to correct a past mistake, Kirk and Spock encounter difficulties but are assisted by a 6 year old boy named Han. Han quotes the snakes, snails and puppy dog tales bit about boys, Spock logically corrects him, then asks "What are little girls made of?" Before Han can answer Kirk and Spock hurriedly leave, and Han starts a lifelong quest to answer that question. Han's full name? Hannibal Lector.
Why can't the Romulans and Federation be friends? Because the Romulan government was sliding into what was named fascism in the Enemy Below. Both stories showed sympathetic antagonists caught in the the hatred and prejudice of their time.
That's why Roddenberry's character of Styles is so essential. That's what makes this Star Trek.
It's what Strange New Worlds missed completely.
😂