I basically torture test my Discover every single time I take it out for a ride given the hilly geography of my suburb, It crapped out on me like a month and a half ago and I had to get a new controller for it I am so glad to see that the Nomad is able to handle just about the worst test of them all with relative ease This further cements my faith in the Nomad and having it be my first purchase with my first job I start in a few days! I will for certain use your link I really needed to see a video like this for the Nomad, thank you
One thing to keep in mind; if you had an electrical tool that was being bogged down you would not just keep using it ignoring the fact that you are overheating it. You would give it relief and stop before you ruin it. So, to be fair, nobody should think that the test you just put that bike through is the proper way to ride.
This test is good for people who already own this bicycle , shows them the limitations on their bicycles . This man's sacrificing his own bicycle to show you how far can you push it , regardless of the fact if got it for free or not , he could just sell it and make money on it , but he chose to show us what we can and cannot do with these bicycles.
Great video! Bought the Nomad last month (and used your code, thank you). Very happy with it, riding pretty much the same area you do. Thank you for all this great info.
i ended up buying the nomad 1 because of this channel. love your reviews! i will say from personally riding if you hit the throttle on and off a bunch off times sequentially, and i mean in rapid succession, the motor does cut off. simply stopping and restarting the bike gets it going again. ive logged about 700 miles on mine and im about 380lbs. i get on average around 23miles per charge. i have tested the battery by doing multiple rides throughout the week on one charge. a mile here, a few miles there and when i do that i can get about 30 miles per charge using mostly throttle. i think thats absolutely amazing for a guy my size! also, i think the stock grips are great and the seat is OK. i ended up upgrading both to a cloud 9 seat and more squishy grips. also got a lightbar upgrade for the light. i really love the tires but barely take it off road so i ended up getting flat 4in road tires. it seems to give me a mile or two extra bettery since theres less road resistance
23 miles per charge with pedaling? damn bro. i get like 40 on mine but i'm also a lot lighter. agree with the cloud 9 seat..its so squishy and amazing. what type of tire did you switch to on the nomad? i have also been thinking about putting some road tires on instead of the knobby ones. i have a discover too and its just so much smoother on pavement, but i can't find any good 4 inch smooth road tires
7:04 this is where a torque sensor would be a lot better than a Cadence Sensor because it would give you Direct feedback as to how hard your bike is working because you would be working harder and realize how much stress you're putting on the bike which is always good to keep an eye on but if I got 4 or 5 brand-new ebikes every week I wouldn't worry about it much either
@@justinlikesme19 any modern mid drive has torque sensing built in. That's the point every ebike demonstrator seems to skip because they know if it really starts to hit collective awareness that 99% of the bikes they show are hub drive/non-torque sensing, and again most commonly available modern mid drives clobber both the rear wheel weight limit issue (you can only stuff so big a motor inside X size wheel) and the feedback loop/controller/latency/ghost/etc issues that simply don't exist with torque sensing at the pedals, which would end up killing a lot of views they used to get when viewers didn't realize.
I think of my aostiromotor s18 at 1500w in these types of your reviews. I went through a water filled skidder trail this evening, mud up to the pedals... I crossed a sand bar low tide at bar harbor maine, the only bicycle among hundreds of walkers. ... never even think about overheating anything. if you want a sand/mud extreme bike.they are out there. Just very heavy as stated. I stopped at one wheel drive, they go even bigger.
Really want to know how the Nomad and Aventon Adventure compares to the Denago…. Denago looks to have all the benefits of both (power, torque sensor, etc.) and is priced in between both… Really like Matt’s reviews and hope Matt does a review of Denago fat tire step thru soon. 🙏
9:22 a little break from helping it out LOL that's a good one spell remember it is the bike that's helping you out and not the other way around but if you need a reminder that just ride a regular bike again if it's been awhile and it'll all come rushing back
Most cyclists I find to be rude and very selfish. No common courtesy. They always think they have the right of way and how dare you impede their ride. Not all.... But a HUGE portion of them. So annoying.
looks like the upgraded Nomad with integrated tail light is now out...the price has jumped a couple hundred. not sure what other upgrades or changes they've made to it. Pre-orders now and shipping in mid month.
Nomad or discover? Can't decide between fat tire or normal commuter bike. Probably just riding on roads and trails but the ability to off-road would be nice
i know you posted this 2 months ago, but i thought i'd reply in case you havent bought one yet. the answer? it doesn't matter. i own both and have over 1k miles on each. the nomad is a beast, the torque it has is almost too much sometimes - it is very jerky and if you're not paying attention when you hit the throttle, it can knock you off. the discover is much smoother in its power delivery, and it does suffer on some hills. it's never failed me on a hill, but it also doesn't haul me up a hill at 20mph. the nomad will get much less range than the discover. it sucks the battery down like no other. if you're older and looking for a smooth and more tame ride, i say go discover. if you want something quick and unstoppable - at the expense of ride smoothness and battery life, go nomad.
This guy's so honest , that's why I like his videos over anyone elses . He was spot on for Rad power bikes. They are underpowered , over priced and not that high quality. I buy and sell used ebikes and have had number of Rad power bicycles because they sell instantly , the reason being people think they will stand behind their product. To be honest all the budget ebikes components are basically generic and usually nothing goes wrong with them for few thousand miles and even if something something goes wrong , its probably a controller and just need to swap the controller .
You mentioned you turned this class 2 nomad 1 into a class 3. What did you do to make this change? Did you upgrade anything? Or simply make an adjustment to the display settings?
Any long term reviews on velotric like 1000 miles or more? I hope the manufacturers can do a few hundred out of the box, and I have seen some fail on their first ride. There’s so many out there , I’m looking to buy one for my wife.
The SR Suntour NCX is a good suspension seatpost, especially since you can often get it for less than half of its next-most expensive competitor with a similar mechanism (though you have to remove the seatpost to adjust the pre-load or replace the spring, which you really do just once). I use it on my LMT’d and XPedition e-bikes and acoustic hardtail. The 4-arm linkage motion does a much better job than the cheaper telescoping ones at absorbing impacts and not tweaking your knees if you hit a hard bump while pedaling. To be able to use it on future bikes, I get the 27.2 diameter version and use it with shims, though I have to use two shims with the XPedition to bring it up to 33.6mm.
Why does Velotric not offer a torque sensor on its Nomad 1? It users talk sensors on its other e-bikes? I would happily buy one if it use torque sensing.
W3 can We can always count that you will push it to it’s limits. Also you are a straight shooter and I do say Thanks. Just bought one for a considerable discount… I will see how it is…
I heard their customer service is bad, is that true? I was thinking of buying this bike but I’ve seen bad reviews about getting parts etc. lots of people review that they don’t get responses
Sweet !!!! Link to the exact post you have for the bike? just want to ensure got the right size.. ALSO.. did you notice a big difference? Great work brother!
Im really liking this nomad1 ! still havnt bought one yet as Im still in research mode - prolly over searching as I find soo many choices out there, But the Nomad remains on top of my list. recently see a similar bike [CIRQ X1 Premier] and wondering if you might do a review on it? or possibly their CIRQ X1 [I think it might be a different display & battery, but the rest looks to be the same. [maybe?]
When you buy an e-bike from China it is one and done deal don't expect anything else. Don't be fooled by the copy and paste semi professional western looking websites that come with them either.
I wish I could take ur reviews seriously but honestly u get them for free so u are bias. Not once have u mentioned in other videos that the batteries aren't UL certified or honestly anything really negative. No, the stock seat on this bike is terrible and NEEDS to be replaced with something else
@@JudeTheUA-camPoopersubscribe yep mine goes 30 and pulls up hills like there not there, but the battery dont last long when u max pedal assist going 30 xD, im getting another bike cafe racer style, will be upgrading it with a 72v system at the end of the year (:
Can we stop pretending all these e-bikes are different brands? Every time I check the associated website it is basically a copy and paste of the last e-bike website. Appreciate the reviews but this reminds me of when China would send out tons of multimeter test equipment to UA-camrs and pass them all off as different brands. But the reality was a bunch of wonky hardware that didn't last. The reason they do this is to escape liability on all levels and it basically makes a mockery of the system.
yo im trying to get help i wanna buy a ebike that goes 30-45mph for 800-500 bucks can anyone suggest one I'm open about a 1200 dollar one and I want it to have good aclertion
I don't get what torque you are talking about. This bike is struggling going through sand lol. If you buy a legit emtb from one of the bigger brands such as Scott, Haibike, Orbea, Giant, Specialized, Santa Cruz, Cube or whatever, they will just rip through it. But I get it, those bikes are not your lazy electric bike where you don't have to pedal and are not going as fast and cost way more. You rather have a lazy ass bike which goes as fast as possible and is a cheap china bike. Just to mention, there is no torque. When you accelerated at the red light it was barely moving. That is pretty much the definition of no torque lol.
Veno most of the brands you mentioned do not have throttles at all and most will not rip through sand the velotric does far better then most bikes costing double the price
@@mrc1436 Yes, they don't have throttles and I even said that myself. They will rip right through it and the velotric sucks ass my guy. It has zero torque. Perhaps you try reading the stuff you reply to.
It’s not lack of torque, it’s the acceleration curve programmed into the display to ramp up the current (and resulting torque) when starting from a stop to keep people from losing control of the bike. It’s usually referred to as “Slow Start”. Usually such bikes ship with that setting on max, but usually it be be adjusted to steeper ramp-up curves, or even turned off. I’ve ridden an e-bike with similar torque (80 versus 75Nm) geared hub motor and a much steeper curve and it tossed me off twice (once was trying to make a tight turn, the second was obliquely climbing one of those curved suburban gutters into my driveway) before I dialed its PAS 1 speed target way down from factory default as even its slowest ramp-up curve was too steep.
Though, there are many models with geared hub motors with similar or more torque capability (85-95Nm), some of which use smaller 20in wheels, which provide more mechanical advantage at the expense of lower ultimate speed. Some are available in the same price range, some a couple to few hundred higher. Some are several hundreds higher but more capable, like Amp Rides (up to 115Nm geared hub motor) or Fabulous Bikes (one or two100Nm geared hub motors). Those aren’t meant for casual or beginner riders, at least with factory default settings unlocked. That much torque can get a rider in trouble, especially if they’re not used to a motorized front wheel, which can move out from under a rider really quickly with that much torque, throwing them off the bike.
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I basically torture test my Discover every single time I take it out for a ride given the hilly geography of my suburb, It crapped out on me like a month and a half ago and I had to get a new controller for it
I am so glad to see that the Nomad is able to handle just about the worst test of them all with relative ease
This further cements my faith in the Nomad and having it be my first purchase with my first job I start in a few days!
I will for certain use your link
I really needed to see a video like this for the Nomad, thank you
One thing to keep in mind; if you had an electrical tool that was being bogged down you would not just keep using it ignoring the fact that you are overheating it. You would give it relief and stop before you ruin it. So, to be fair, nobody should think that the test you just put that bike through is the proper way to ride.
True. I think that is clear. We don’t get our bikes for free so I wouldn’t ride this way. But basic tools don’t have motor controllers.
This test is good for people who already own this bicycle , shows them the limitations on their bicycles . This man's sacrificing his own bicycle to show you how far can you push it , regardless of the fact if got it for free or not , he could just sell it and make money on it , but he chose to show us what we can and cannot do with these bicycles.
If it's waterprooof motor, putting it into moving water would be the fastest way to cool it off, essentially water cooling it.
I always like it when I'm at the beach and somebody drives their e-bike as fast as they can right past my chair.
Great video! Bought the Nomad last month (and used your code, thank you). Very happy with it, riding pretty much the same area you do. Thank you for all this great info.
What color
i ended up buying the nomad 1 because of this channel. love your reviews! i will say from personally riding if you hit the throttle on and off a bunch off times sequentially, and i mean in rapid succession, the motor does cut off. simply stopping and restarting the bike gets it going again. ive logged about 700 miles on mine and im about 380lbs. i get on average around 23miles per charge. i have tested the battery by doing multiple rides throughout the week on one charge. a mile here, a few miles there and when i do that i can get about 30 miles per charge using mostly throttle. i think thats absolutely amazing for a guy my size! also, i think the stock grips are great and the seat is OK. i ended up upgrading both to a cloud 9 seat and more squishy grips. also got a lightbar upgrade for the light. i really love the tires but barely take it off road so i ended up getting flat 4in road tires. it seems to give me a mile or two extra bettery since theres less road resistance
23 miles per charge with pedaling? damn bro. i get like 40 on mine but i'm also a lot lighter. agree with the cloud 9 seat..its so squishy and amazing. what type of tire did you switch to on the nomad? i have also been thinking about putting some road tires on instead of the knobby ones. i have a discover too and its just so much smoother on pavement, but i can't find any good 4 inch smooth road tires
you need to lose some weight man
7:04 this is where a torque sensor would be a lot better than a Cadence Sensor because it would give you Direct feedback as to how hard your bike is working because you would be working harder and realize how much stress you're putting on the bike which is always good to keep an eye on but if I got 4 or 5 brand-new ebikes every week I wouldn't worry about it much either
If you need a torque like my ebike just pick magicycle 96NM 52V and 20AH
@@justinlikesme19 any modern mid drive has torque sensing built in. That's the point every ebike demonstrator seems to skip because they know if it really starts to hit collective awareness that 99% of the bikes they show are hub drive/non-torque sensing, and again most commonly available modern mid drives clobber both the rear wheel weight limit issue (you can only stuff so big a motor inside X size wheel) and the feedback loop/controller/latency/ghost/etc issues that simply don't exist with torque sensing at the pedals, which would end up killing a lot of views they used to get when viewers didn't realize.
@@justinlikesme19 so that’s a pretty powerful motor eh? I’ve wondered about that bike?
I think of my aostiromotor s18 at 1500w in these types of your reviews. I went through a water filled skidder trail this evening, mud up to the pedals... I crossed a sand bar low tide at bar harbor maine, the only bicycle among hundreds of walkers. ... never even think about overheating anything. if you want a sand/mud extreme bike.they are out there. Just very heavy as stated. I stopped at one wheel drive, they go even bigger.
Really want to know how the Nomad and Aventon Adventure compares to the Denago….
Denago looks to have all the benefits of both (power, torque sensor, etc.) and is priced in between both…
Really like Matt’s reviews and hope Matt does a review of Denago fat tire step thru soon. 🙏
9:22 a little break from helping it out LOL that's a good one spell remember it is the bike that's helping you out and not the other way around but if you need a reminder that just ride a regular bike again if it's been awhile and it'll all come rushing back
You get uncomfortably close to a lot of people even despite the GoPro making everything look further away.
Most cyclists I find to be rude and very selfish. No common courtesy. They always think they have the right of way and how dare you impede their ride. Not all.... But a HUGE portion of them. So annoying.
looks like the upgraded Nomad with integrated tail light is now out...the price has jumped a couple hundred. not sure what other upgrades or changes they've made to it. Pre-orders now and shipping in mid month.
Don't go in the water! Don't go in the water!... oh no, bottom of tire got slightly wet. Quick! Lay down whole bike and motor into the ocean.
4:11 You were thinking, "I wonder how hot that motor is getting?"
My Wired Freedom just shipped!!!! YAY! I bought it because of your video on it last month.
Im still waiting for my mid august delivery! Cant wait! :)
IPX Rating waterproof.. not sure what that means to salt water....? what you think?
Nomad or discover? Can't decide between fat tire or normal commuter bike. Probably just riding on roads and trails but the ability to off-road would be nice
i know you posted this 2 months ago, but i thought i'd reply in case you havent bought one yet. the answer? it doesn't matter. i own both and have over 1k miles on each. the nomad is a beast, the torque it has is almost too much sometimes - it is very jerky and if you're not paying attention when you hit the throttle, it can knock you off. the discover is much smoother in its power delivery, and it does suffer on some hills. it's never failed me on a hill, but it also doesn't haul me up a hill at 20mph.
the nomad will get much less range than the discover. it sucks the battery down like no other. if you're older and looking for a smooth and more tame ride, i say go discover. if you want something quick and unstoppable - at the expense of ride smoothness and battery life, go nomad.
Thanks!
This guy's so honest , that's why I like his videos over anyone elses . He was spot on for Rad power bikes. They are underpowered , over priced and not that high quality. I buy and sell used ebikes and have had number of Rad power bicycles because they sell instantly , the reason being people think they will stand behind their product. To be honest all the budget ebikes components are basically generic and usually nothing goes wrong with them for few thousand miles and even if something something goes wrong , its probably a controller and just need to swap the controller .
9:50 A series of unfortunate events.
You mentioned you turned this class 2 nomad 1 into a class 3. What did you do to make this change? Did you upgrade anything? Or simply make an adjustment to the display settings?
you just adjust settings, its super easy and shown on the velotric website
This vs hovsco would this be your pick?
Searching Nomad videos when this dropped 😜
Going away from the bike, how come not many people in the sea compared to South Miami beach?
Pacific Ocean is cold, water in Miami is warm
@tailhappytv Can you please drop a link to the seat post... ?
suntour nx
Venice beach is huge - the tide almost comes up to the houses at my S.Carolina beach
What is the purpose/reason for the holes on the wheels that seems to expose the inner tube? Do other brands also have that feature?
I believe it’s to let water escape in the case it gets in there
Any long term reviews on velotric like 1000 miles or more? I hope the manufacturers can do a few hundred out of the box, and I have seen some fail on their first ride. There’s so many out there , I’m looking to buy one for my wife.
What would you say is the best fat tire e-bike for tearing up the sand?
The freego bike he reviewed recently. Dual motor is what you want.
Does anyone know how many amps the controller is on this bike?
Thanks. I appreciate your reviews greatly. I have 3 Ebikes now.
I wanted to find out if you did the speed upon the Velotric to get it to 25.5. Mph. What did you do to get it there.
can you please do a review on the updated gosen folding e-bike
I have a three week old nomad … battery doesn’t say UL anywhere
Could you tell us which suspension seat post you used please?
It's literally written on that thing at 0:15.
@@VenoXj1loose the attitude man
Good question, have to be sure to get the correct size..
@@djidroneadventures4059 What attitude? If you add any emotions to what I just said, that's you not me.
The SR Suntour NCX is a good suspension seatpost, especially since you can often get it for less than half of its next-most expensive competitor with a similar mechanism (though you have to remove the seatpost to adjust the pre-load or replace the spring, which you really do just once). I use it on my LMT’d and XPedition e-bikes and acoustic hardtail. The 4-arm linkage motion does a much better job than the cheaper telescoping ones at absorbing impacts and not tweaking your knees if you hit a hard bump while pedaling.
To be able to use it on future bikes, I get the 27.2 diameter version and use it with shims, though I have to use two shims with the XPedition to bring it up to 33.6mm.
Why does Velotric not offer a torque sensor on its Nomad 1? It users talk sensors on its other e-bikes? I would happily buy one if it use torque sensing.
I think only the new one has that feature. And how else would you keep a bike below 1500$
Are you going to review the Aventon level 2 and adventure 2?
W3 can
We can always count that you will push it to it’s limits. Also you are a straight shooter and I do say Thanks. Just bought one for a considerable discount… I will see how it is…
What is the best e-bike that’s fast with long range?
I have a Nomad 1, it's a super fun ebike!
I heard their customer service is bad, is that true? I was thinking of buying this bike but I’ve seen bad reviews about getting parts etc. lots of people review that they don’t get responses
You have to price that in when you buy these copy and paste e-bikes from China.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA is there a cheaper bike on a Chinese website that’s the same?
I have had MARVELOUS customer service!
Sweet !!!! Link to the exact post you have for the bike? just want to ensure got the right size.. ALSO.. did you notice a big difference?
Great work brother!
How long will your code last?
Hey people, is a torque sensor really worth a $500 increase from this to the Aventon Aventure 2? Because I'm about ready to pull the trigger.
Check out my Hovsco HovAlpha review first
What do you think will happen to the ebike market in 2024, will it be cheaper than this year?
Haha Matt! You are crazy! Good test and video 😃🤙✊!!
Does this bike fit in your elevator I live in a condo in Panama City Beach and want a strong e-bike for the sand like this video?
Im really liking this nomad1 !
still havnt bought one yet as Im still in research mode - prolly over searching as I find soo many choices out there, But the Nomad remains on top of my list.
recently see a similar bike [CIRQ X1 Premier] and wondering if you might do a review on it?
or possibly their CIRQ X1 [I think it might be a different display & battery, but the rest looks to be the same. [maybe?]
TBH, after watching the whole video, I'd be more worried about the chain vs anything else.
It’s a hub motor bike. The chain is only in use when he’s peddling.
@@StefanRandallI That's not why I'm worried.
Sand + non waxed chain = bad stuff can happen in the mid to long term.
@@neutronpcxt372 yeah good point
if you use in sand... how would you treat the chain? @@neutronpcxt372
Make a review of Victrip Mimas please.
Spare batteries for this bike have not been available to purchase for months now.
When you buy an e-bike from China it is one and done deal don't expect anything else. Don't be fooled by the copy and paste semi professional western looking websites that come with them either.
@@Reprogrammed_By_SEGA bruh
Man what happened to the smoking hot California Girls The Beach Boys wrote a song about?
I guess they all moved down here to Florida...
😊😅😂
yeah i was just waiting on someone to say something you know he was kicking up sand great video though
Battery is really tiny by todays standards. Bottom half of any 48v battery is weak. People want big batteries, big power, and comfort.
I wish I could take ur reviews seriously but honestly u get them for free so u are bias. Not once have u mentioned in other videos that the batteries aren't UL certified or honestly anything really negative. No, the stock seat on this bike is terrible and NEEDS to be replaced with something else
Do u own one
@@NickB-zf5rh Yeah. I've had it for a couple weeks now. It's a nice bike but the stock seat isn't comfortable at all.
I would question the UL marking on the battery myself, China basically ruined the CE marking a long time ago.
thats why i love my engwe engine pro, has a nice poweful motor for 750 peak "1200" , and the torque is strong on it
The engine pro is dope. My friend has one I got that thing over 30mph easily. I prefer my diy 1500 watt bike lol
@@JudeTheUA-camPoopersubscribe yep mine goes 30 and pulls up hills like there not there, but the battery dont last long when u max pedal assist going 30 xD, im getting another bike cafe racer style, will be upgrading it with a 72v system at the end of the year (:
@@nul1fe I can go 35+mph on my bike easily with a single hub motor. I'm super tempted to add a 500w onto the front wheel and upgrade from 52v to 72v.
Hello dear friend it's not going up hill 😅😊
Why would you want to drive your bike in the sand?
salt water & electronics?? they do NOT mix at all....
Can we stop pretending all these e-bikes are different brands? Every time I check the associated website it is basically a copy and paste of the last e-bike website. Appreciate the reviews but this reminds me of when China would send out tons of multimeter test equipment to UA-camrs and pass them all off as different brands. But the reality was a bunch of wonky hardware that didn't last.
The reason they do this is to escape liability on all levels and it basically makes a mockery of the system.
Hello dear friend go to hill and road😅😊🎉
Hello dear friend ride on hill and roAd😅😊
Mashallah ♥️♥️♥️
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yo im trying to get help i wanna buy a ebike that goes 30-45mph for 800-500 bucks can anyone suggest one I'm open about a 1200 dollar one and I want it to have good aclertion
AWWW did tha POS shut down on ya....LOL
if ya want something that fast get a motorcycle or scooter
Seventh!
First.
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If u wanted to run your ebike in a sand just put a low air on your wheels
I don't get what torque you are talking about. This bike is struggling going through sand lol. If you buy a legit emtb from one of the bigger brands such as Scott, Haibike, Orbea, Giant, Specialized, Santa Cruz, Cube or whatever, they will just rip through it. But I get it, those bikes are not your lazy electric bike where you don't have to pedal and are not going as fast and cost way more. You rather have a lazy ass bike which goes as fast as possible and is a cheap china bike.
Just to mention, there is no torque. When you accelerated at the red light it was barely moving. That is pretty much the definition of no torque lol.
Veno most of the brands you mentioned do not have throttles at all and most will not rip through sand the velotric does far better then most bikes costing double the price
@@mrc1436 Yes, they don't have throttles and I even said that myself.
They will rip right through it and the velotric sucks ass my guy. It has zero torque.
Perhaps you try reading the stuff you reply to.
It’s not lack of torque, it’s the acceleration curve programmed into the display to ramp up the current (and resulting torque) when starting from a stop to keep people from losing control of the bike. It’s usually referred to as “Slow Start”. Usually such bikes ship with that setting on max, but usually it be be adjusted to steeper ramp-up curves, or even turned off.
I’ve ridden an e-bike with similar torque (80 versus 75Nm) geared hub motor and a much steeper curve and it tossed me off twice (once was trying to make a tight turn, the second was obliquely climbing one of those curved suburban gutters into my driveway) before I dialed its PAS 1 speed target way down from factory default as even its slowest ramp-up curve was too steep.
Though, there are many models with geared hub motors with similar or more torque capability (85-95Nm), some of which use smaller 20in wheels, which provide more mechanical advantage at the expense of lower ultimate speed. Some are available in the same price range, some a couple to few hundred higher. Some are several hundreds higher but more capable, like Amp Rides (up to 115Nm geared hub motor) or Fabulous Bikes (one or two100Nm geared hub motors). Those aren’t meant for casual or beginner riders, at least with factory default settings unlocked. That much torque can get a rider in trouble, especially if they’re not used to a motorized front wheel, which can move out from under a rider really quickly with that much torque, throwing them off the bike.
Most brand you mentioned cost double if not more.