One setting that did something particularly interesting with technology is Mage the Ascension, the younger brother of Vampire the Masquerade and Werewolf the Apocalipse. Well, it is urban-fantasy, not the pure stuff. Vampire don't do much in that regard, except for put guns and machetes in the hands of vampires (what is something, considering how much vampire stories lacked that basic common sense). Werewolf has some specific Gifts and rituals to deal with technology, and technological spirits, what is interesting. But in Mage they mixed their magic system in a way that makes the laws of reality a consequence of common believe about how the world works. That makes technology just popularized spells. If you could travel through time to the year 1200 caring a revolver, it would not work. Unless you were using the proper magic powers to make it work, and in that case it would be vulgar magic. As vulgar as throw fireballs or invocate demons in the middle of street in a city today. Cars are no different to flying carpets, objectively speaking. Only difference between them is that the prevalent paradigm today accepts the rules of Physics and chemistry by which cars play, and do not accept the equivalent rules for flying carpets. That makes necessary the application of true magic to make a flying carpet work, while any random person can use a car. If the paradigm changes, situation can became the oposite. Or both of them could became acceptable, or neither. One interesting thing about this system (and the highest possible achievement for urban-fantasy, in my opinion) is that is impossible to prove that is not the world where we live. I don't believe it is, but just like the famous Dream of Descartes (also know by the nickname Brain in a Jar) I have to make a bet here. I have no prouve that there are any objective physical rules before or beyond our collective believes. Any evidence of such objective existence would have to be found in our believe system, and could only be tested by this believe system. We have no direct access to reality, we only get to reach it going through language. Could be that those who used to say that Earth was the centre of the Universe were correct, the ir Universe was as they described. Each time a paradigm changes it changes from the beginning to the end of times, so, now the Universe where Earth was the centre of Universe don't exists and never has existed. However, if those who say Earth is Flat manage to prevail, then the spheroid Globe will never have existed. Same way the Geocentric Universe never existed. Some things work somewhat floating above the paradigm. Things like vampires and werewolves, and their powers, for instance. But they are not completely independent from it. Mages get more flexibility and can affect reality in harder ways. And depending on the believe system adopted by a given mage he may use Astrology, or light-sabres. Force-Fields, Iron-man style armour, or preys to catholic saints. Is all the same, in essence, when in hands of mages (but each mage can only use what make sense in his personal system). All translates in the same 9 Spheres of Magic. So, magic is the same than technology (in essence). And it is nothing the same (because technology is what it is because it is part of current Consensual reality, while magic is not). We get both.
thank you again for your lessons, (I'm almost at a fourth of the course). Let me just leave the comment for the dragons video here too. It was a very interesting, and a creative depiction of dragons I saw in the past was in an animated series called Dragon Booster. it's genres were both fantasy and sci fi. the dragons had very colorful and dino-like designs. also instead of fire they used some magic ligthing/magnetic field to equip themselves equipment (for races and other sports) that were made of a fictional metal called draconium. As for this video, thank you again. I think I'll try to come up with matches that are already safe to use but with very rustic or rough design to make them an equivalent of pre-modern matches so they won't feel out of place in a fantasy setting that's not primitive but not that advanced eather. as for gun powder... well I'm a bit insecure to go there. maybe I'll make a world in which oil didn't form and the gods dictated that gun powder was a forbidden knowledge (taking into account the advice you gave me about a god of knoledge and science). just to see what other equivalents of technologies I can come up with under those conditions. Now I'm more excited seeing you uploades another video about currencies, can't wait to reach that lesson.
One thing I've been trying to introduce in my world is the idea of magic and technology actually often being at odds with one another rather than in harmony. The setting is roughly modeled after 1810-1820, and so far the vast majority of magic is in the control of aristocratic elites of the world. It's a very reactionary, bourgeois discipline, rigidly focused on tradition and preservation, and much of the research is squirreled away. But things are changing rapidly, and technology is allowing the average person to become something more than a subsistence farmer, which is dangerous to the worldview of the aristocrats, nobles, unaffiliated mages, and royals.
One trip that I dislike is Magic or fantasy would be much more interesting what if Magic help technology for example is there was a battery Factory and there's like a high concentration of Magic Mists in that area batteries don't need to be charged
The classic is probably Lovecraft, so early 20th century? But really, it can be anything. I've seen cosmic horror with today's technology, I've seen it in the medieval world technology. As long as you get the horror right, the tech will work.
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What fantasy has used technology best?
Shadowrun I looked at the Lord while back it is the best to handle technology and Magic
One setting that did something particularly interesting with technology is Mage the Ascension, the younger brother of Vampire the Masquerade and Werewolf the Apocalipse. Well, it is urban-fantasy, not the pure stuff.
Vampire don't do much in that regard, except for put guns and machetes in the hands of vampires (what is something, considering how much vampire stories lacked that basic common sense). Werewolf has some specific Gifts and rituals to deal with technology, and technological spirits, what is interesting. But in Mage they mixed their magic system in a way that makes the laws of reality a consequence of common believe about how the world works.
That makes technology just popularized spells. If you could travel through time to the year 1200 caring a revolver, it would not work. Unless you were using the proper magic powers to make it work, and in that case it would be vulgar magic. As vulgar as throw fireballs or invocate demons in the middle of street in a city today. Cars are no different to flying carpets, objectively speaking. Only difference between them is that the prevalent paradigm today accepts the rules of Physics and chemistry by which cars play, and do not accept the equivalent rules for flying carpets.
That makes necessary the application of true magic to make a flying carpet work, while any random person can use a car. If the paradigm changes, situation can became the oposite. Or both of them could became acceptable, or neither.
One interesting thing about this system (and the highest possible achievement for urban-fantasy, in my opinion) is that is impossible to prove that is not the world where we live. I don't believe it is, but just like the famous Dream of Descartes (also know by the nickname Brain in a Jar) I have to make a bet here. I have no prouve that there are any objective physical rules before or beyond our collective believes.
Any evidence of such objective existence would have to be found in our believe system, and could only be tested by this believe system. We have no direct access to reality, we only get to reach it going through language. Could be that those who used to say that Earth was the centre of the Universe were correct, the ir Universe was as they described.
Each time a paradigm changes it changes from the beginning to the end of times, so, now the Universe where Earth was the centre of Universe don't exists and never has existed. However, if those who say Earth is Flat manage to prevail, then the spheroid Globe will never have existed. Same way the Geocentric Universe never existed.
Some things work somewhat floating above the paradigm. Things like vampires and werewolves, and their powers, for instance. But they are not completely independent from it.
Mages get more flexibility and can affect reality in harder ways. And depending on the believe system adopted by a given mage he may use Astrology, or light-sabres. Force-Fields, Iron-man style armour, or preys to catholic saints. Is all the same, in essence, when in hands of mages (but each mage can only use what make sense in his personal system). All translates in the same 9 Spheres of Magic.
So, magic is the same than technology (in essence). And it is nothing the same (because technology is what it is because it is part of current Consensual reality, while magic is not). We get both.
I love how this rabbit hole happened. I would have just had him secure the torch between his knees and light it that way and not thought further.
It makes writing a little awkward sometimes, but when I can't see the action, it bothers me :)
thank you again for your lessons, (I'm almost at a fourth of the course). Let me just leave the comment for the dragons video here too. It was a very interesting, and a creative depiction of dragons I saw in the past was in an animated series called Dragon Booster. it's genres were both fantasy and sci fi. the dragons had very colorful and dino-like designs. also instead of fire they used some magic ligthing/magnetic field to equip themselves equipment (for races and other sports) that were made of a fictional metal called draconium.
As for this video, thank you again. I think I'll try to come up with matches that are already safe to use but with very rustic or rough design to make them an equivalent of pre-modern matches so they won't feel out of place in a fantasy setting that's not primitive but not that advanced eather. as for gun powder... well I'm a bit insecure to go there. maybe I'll make a world in which oil didn't form and the gods dictated that gun powder was a forbidden knowledge (taking into account the advice you gave me about a god of knoledge and science). just to see what other equivalents of technologies I can come up with under those conditions.
Now I'm more excited seeing you uploades another video about currencies, can't wait to reach that lesson.
Great video!
One thing I've been trying to introduce in my world is the idea of magic and technology actually often being at odds with one another rather than in harmony. The setting is roughly modeled after 1810-1820, and so far the vast majority of magic is in the control of aristocratic elites of the world. It's a very reactionary, bourgeois discipline, rigidly focused on tradition and preservation, and much of the research is squirreled away. But things are changing rapidly, and technology is allowing the average person to become something more than a subsistence farmer, which is dangerous to the worldview of the aristocrats, nobles, unaffiliated mages, and royals.
I like that. Technology becomes an Everyman magic
One trip that I dislike is Magic or fantasy would be much more interesting what if Magic help technology for example is there was a battery Factory and there's like a high concentration of Magic Mists in that area batteries don't need to be charged
Yep, I agree there. Makes everything feel more real if it’s more integrated
En los mundos de horror cósmico ¿Qué tipo de tecnología suele verse, usualmente?
The classic is probably Lovecraft, so early 20th century? But really, it can be anything. I've seen cosmic horror with today's technology, I've seen it in the medieval world technology. As long as you get the horror right, the tech will work.
@@JustInTimeWorlds Ok, gracias.