Nintendo is RUINING Gaming on Emulator
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those millions of TotK downloads were actually me just deleting and redownloading it forever so Nintendo loses $70 each time
Now that's dedication!!
$70
Based
@user-in8qh3zf9dmight as well owe your soul to the Devil.
"Having a Patreon to fund an emulator for a console still on the market was a really bad idea. If you're gonna do this stuff, you do it for free" - Nathaniel bandy
Yuzu settled out of court for 2.4 million. At this point there are no worries of a precedent since a precedent requires a judge to make a ruling. Settling out of court is not a ruling, so no precedent.
This right here. Yuzu took the bullet for the rest of emulation by settling out of court.
Or Nintendo has a really good case. I think Yuzu had more to loss on court. For me yuzu take de easy and safe route out, and then blame their community cause they were doing piracy? that's stupid @@user_friendly86
@@user_friendly86 Sure but what incentive do the next groups of coders to put out a new emulator knowing Nintendo MIGHT come after them with some sort of loophole? No precedent set but the same time scared others from trying again.
@@thelastdragon5551 If anything it should tell them that what the other emulators are doing is fine with Nintendo. Nintendo didn't settle out of kindness but because A: they weren't sure they'd win even against Yuzu with it's Patreon or B: they don't care about sending a message by dealing the most amount of damage to Yuzu.
@@thelastdragon5551 this risk of that has been around since the dawn of emulators. This is nothing new, Yuzu slipped up a bit coupled with the fact they are emulating a console still supported. Shit happens, emulators at their core are legal
Putting Yuzu behind a paywall was ballsy. And I really don't know what they expected to happen.
Yuzu wasn't behind a paywall, it was free to download. Early Acess was behind a pay wall, this means that people that paid could acess the emulator or a new version of it before the people that download it for free. The emulator was free, you paid if you wanted to support the team behind it basically
@@symphonixbladesWhich basically means pay us to play Nintendo games for free.
lol bruh you could still get it free you just have to search better@@thelastdragon5551
@@thelastdragon5551 but og yuzu isnt paywalled. educate yourself fool
Yeah, just better to keep these things open source and completely free, not smart to provide any reason to make it easy for the big corpos to shut you down. Just stick to voluntary donations but that's still risky.
Ultimately piracy is illegal so emulating is illegal, companies pay millions on developing games, I’m sure if matt owned Nintendo and spent x amount developing the next big game to only have people manipulating it to make it free he would not be happy
Great vids thou , keep up the good work
It’s fair to criticize when it’s not hurting their bottom line. Turn the tables around, they’ll be singing a different tune.
In an ideal world if piracy didn’t exist the price could be reduced but don’t see that happening either lol
TBH Matt was absolutely right. No other console than Switch are the games emulatable on a PC day 1 of release. Niintendo has to do better than that.
I get what you are saying but keep in mind emulation and piracy are not equal. But yes people should not be pirating games that are still being sold.
Thinking about how Sony literally used the open source PS1 emulator built by the community for their PlayStation Classic, meanwhile Nintendo is out here ripping down emulators with no mercy.
EDIT: Also thinking about Epic Games who sponsored Clone Hero creators when Fortnite Festival came out. And Meta sponsors people who make modding guides for the Quest. If THOSE companies with not the greatest track records can do that, why does Nintendo act like this?
Nintendo and Apple act just like Disney used to pre Bob Iger (who sucks also but for different labour related reasons). It's like, no fun allowed. We can only have fun the way they approve.
Sony tried the same with the Bleem emulator years ago; and continuously lost.
Nintendo also uses open source emulators with their Nintendo online services.
Don't forget about Capcom saying that you have no right to alter a game with mods.
Nintendo is closing emulator projects while not developing decent ones for their own legacy consoles.
@@chriswheatley3146sony didnt lose, they got what they wanted which was to shutdown Bleem. And Bleem wasnt just an emulator, they were actively going against copyright, trademarks and etc by literally putting crash bandicoot on their emulator console lmao
Who owns that code? Nobody.
Chillax! Nintendo isn't ruining gaming, They had a reason why they're doing this.
Nathaniel set this about the situation, "Having a Patreon to fund an emulator for a console still on the market was a really bad idea. If you're gonna do this stuff, you do it for free" - Nathaniel bandy.
He said it on Twitter and a bunch of people are too stupid to even realize it
Everyone's been huffing and puffing that Nintendo is "K3eLiNg 3mUl@tIoM", but the thing is once they got into the discovery part of the case, shit was going to hit the fan (with the stash thing and whatnot, along with the already public info). If anything, thank goodness this hasn't defined anything in regards to emulation... But that doesn't get the people railing like "WaAaAaH N1n10Do'h B@d" does.
I put the flash frame in at 2:26 on purpose to throw off the Nintendo police from thinking we actually make good content.
unfortunately you make the BEST content no covering that up xD
Should've doubled down with some imagery throwing shade at Apple since they act the same way
Emotions are high, but yuzu messed up here, flew very close to the sun and got burned....
RIP to citra as well
luckily still have it on my PC cuz I have been playing Alpha Sapphire there cuz there's a Visual option that makes the game graphics look more beautiful.
just hope the other Switch emulators don't give up after this
Yuzu Patreon profits raised just when the pirate copy of Zelda Tars of the Kingdom was out, that didnt escape Nintendo´s eyes and investigated further to see what was going on.
They've already settled this whole lawsuit. No more yuzu or citra. Yuzu devs did this to themselves by having the newest builds available behind a paywall before going public and for giving instructions on how to get keys and bypass DRM
rebrand remove all that tada
If this precedent is set, wouldn't that put mods for games in a legally questionable area? Because those require copy-written material to run.
No precedent is set, they settled out of court
it greatly depends on the devs/ creators. for example, Bethesda has for years going back to oblivion, made the creation engine open to modders. the issue comes down to if the modders gota written/ legal permission to use the outside assests. so in fo4, there are literally thousands of mods that use external sources, but Microsoft allows such mods to be installed on Xbox and pc, but Sony bans any mods that use outside source materials.
It would not be practically enforceable. There are too many modders.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
The ones who facilitate piracy more than anyone else are companies who restrict video game preservation. Like Nintendo.
The people who facilitate piracy are companies who don't allow you to pirate.......
Hot damn are gamers showcasing how shockingly idiotic they are today.
they keep download server in countries that has no law about thos like Thailand, Philippines, Russia or South Africa easy. Nintendo can't do anything to creator of emulators or game pirates
@@JD-xz1mx If Nintendo lets people download and play 3DS and Wii games on Switch, then piracy for their games would plummet. But they don't, and only way to play those games are through emulation and piracy. Only idiots here are the ones who side with their favourite billion dollar corporation.
Imagine if the complete library of all Nintendo systems were available to play on the Virtual console. NES $2 a piece, SNES $3, N64 $5, Gamecube $8, Wii-Wii U $10-$15. They would make so much more money.
@@JD-xz1mx video game preservation is not piracy.
The biggest problem with Nintendo's claim that they lost potentially millions of sales on Tears of the Kingdom, is that you literally cannot prove that the people who pirated it would have:
A) bought the game if they didn't,
B) _already_ bought the game and just dumped it on an emulator because again, the switch is incredibly underpowered and people want to play their games on an actual good frame rate.
Claiming emulation is crippling their business when they, along with every other game publisher and hardware developer is breaking profit after profit and announcing their most successful years in their entire company history is insane.
Your A and B point doesn't matter for establishing liability, as Nintendo only needs to prove that Yuzu is creating illegal competition, not how much damage that competition did. Only after liability is established do they move to damages..... but then this case didn't go to damages because it never went to trial at all, because why oh why would anyone risk however that damage calculation might work out?
"Claiming emulation is crippling their business when they, along with every other game publisher and hardware developer is breaking profit after profit and announcing their most successful years in their entire company history is insane."
Not legally relevant. Whether or not Nintendo is doing ok has nothing to do with whether or not they wouldn't be doing better, but for Yuzu.
I may know someone who emulated some Switch games. That person would have not bought a Switch or the game if emulation wasn't an option. They simply just would not have played it.
No one wants a unstable FPS
At least 120hz
@@HerecomestheCalavera Well, they're costing someone money, regardless. This is, of course, assuming they'd be playing something else if they couldn't get the Switch games for free.
If your friend wasn't a thief (and they aren't lying about not buying a Switch), they would be buying something from *someone*, instead. Unless, of course, they just stole from them, too. Which is likely, since they're clearly willing to steal. Because they're a thief.
@@HerecomestheCalaveraThat someone you may know is just a small percentage. The majority just want to play for free. That’s almost a given.
In Japan there is a Anti-bootlegging law that is almost 100 years old at this point. It was made so businesses could get back on their feet after WWII without competition. You can get Jailtime for giving and receiving a tattoo of a licensed character and receiving money for it; It's ridiculously strong. Nintendo owes the existence of it's company and everything it is now to this law so they are very sensitive to this and have since the dawn of their existence enforced that law or attempted to every moment they could.
Well. They have never met International Privacy Law Bulletin I guess. They need to taste it really bad since there is a experimental clause / privilege in every god damn IP Law for non-commercial use. The argument with encryption would only lead to going against the will of the law makers which would lead to a defeat at the court. How the fuq can a company be so stubborn? 😅
Japan attacked us first and got shit on, and they still have the gall to blame us Americans for them losing out on potential money.
That's like if someone tried to money match you in a fighting game, and they start calling Johns after losing.
But it's like the chicken before the apple situation. It would be bad if the loser started getting salty, but equally as bad as the winner gloating about it. So with Japan being sensitive and ignorant snowflakes over copyright laws, and the US's imperialism annihilating their society which crippled their economy, who's fault is it really? Both sides are equally shitty.
I mean Nitendo exited pre-WWII to begin with as a Hanafuda card game company. So it checks out.
Exactly. Why people expect anything different from Nintendo from what they’ve done in the past confuses me. There stance is strong with their IPs. Don’t like their business tactics, don’t buy their stuff. Can’t get any simpler than that.
Unfortunately for Nintendo and fortunate for us, American laws concerning copyright law and emulation are much looser.
Let's be honest. 99% of people who use emulators don't purchase the game. They just download illegal roms and play the game.
yup. which makes what nintendo did was kinda right. cause the reason i wasn't buying anything was because everyone wants FULL PRICE for decades old games.
@@alphenhousplaysgames4565 If you already bought and played it, why bother buying it again? If you haven’t bought and played the game, why would you be bothered it’s still full price?
Nintendo is smart to believe many wouldn’t mind waiting years to get said games for 1/2 off. Considering everyone has a backlog to go through.
Their games goes on sale often throughout the years. 40-50% off. People are just bothered it’s not close to 70-90% off as other publishers do. They’re the ones that conditioned gamers to wait it out and it’ll be significantly lower than launch price. All because they didn’t get the overall sales they hoped for.
True, but this situation is still a bit sad due to the loss of Citra.
Nintendo is not ruining gaming, people who played ToTK a week before release are the problem
I don't think settlements made out of court count as valid legal precedent. For it to be a precedent it has to be something the court came up with. A deal struck between Yuzu and Nintendo without a court's involvement can't be precedent, because then anybody could just make up any "precedent" they want. Precedent is when there was a prior decision made by the court, the idea is that the legal system should be self consistent when possible and reasonable.
yeah, it shouldn't, but is that going to stop Nintendo from saying it does or referring to it when bringing a case to trial? (that's the problem)
Isn't it the opposite even? Nintendo settling means that it's likely they weren't certain they'd win.
@@Quintessence4444 yes, but that doesn't mean this won't be the threat used for less legal savy or accessible.
Yeah no joke, if Nintendo wins this case, it sets emulation, and video game preservation back a couple of decades at least
They already won
they did. yuzu's github is down.
Well...
Yuzu is gone
"Having a Patreon to fund an emulator for a console still on the market was a really bad idea. If you're gonna do this stuff, you do it for free" - Nathaniel bandy
Rightfully done on Nintendo's end, Yuzu's Discord was filled by illegal roms that got offered by the devs. so yeah Developers shot themselves in the foot, like a bunch of idiots.
no there wasnt, your talking through your a%$
@@PcaddicttYes there was. A lot of new people started joining the Discord after the tears the kingdom leak and started blatantly sharing ROMs.
I've been hearing this too but i've yet to see a source.
This isn't copyright protection, this is full blown anti competitive practices
lol Admitting that Yuzu is competition, by itself, would win Nintendo this lawsuit.
@JD-xz1mx it could be a double edged sword meaning that they can now be punished for anti competitive practices
@@JD-xz1mx Which is ironic because competition being allowed is specifically why emulators were spoken legal to begin with. If competition is no longer allowed, then so aren't emulators by definition.
@@JD-xz1mx Technically competition is one of the reasons why emulation is legal in the first place.
I refuse to support Nintendo financially any longer.
yep.
seeing this response a bit across the interwebs, and thus emulation AND piracy grows bigger.
30 years and NIntend hasn't learned a thing. They encourage it.
Nintendo is why we can't have nice things.
Nintendo used to be great not this Shitaro's Nintendo
while I absolutely love the Switch I cannot come to like Nintendo anymore they are so ancient and backwards
Why? We still have all PC games to pirate. From indies to AAA(A)
Nintendo is the only one who is still making great and creative games
@@ricln5464 that's just a lie.
Sh1t like this is exactly why I pirate everything when it comes to Nintendo.
Is that because your parents hate you
I think there was a reason why they did this cuz I saw Nathaniel say this
"Having a Patreon to fund an emulator for a console still on the market was a really bad idea. If you're gonna do this stuff, you do it for free" - Nathaniel bandy
So you literally prove why Nintendo is right
Such BS. 😅 Don’t like their business tactics but when that new Zelda/Mario game hits.. 😛🥰
I guarentee you that 90% of all comments on any of those "Nintendo stops emulation" videos don't actually watch the videos and only comment about how shitty Nintendo is, while acting like they have the moral high ground for "not supporting Nintendo" when they still pirate Nintendo games.
The fact that Yuzu was behind a paywall is basically suicide for the makers of that emulator. No way around it. They were actively making money off of Nintendo's own brand. So if you still use Yuzu, you're actively supporting software made by thieves, so it doesn't make you look any better than the supposed "anti-consumer practices" you keep discrediting.
(I probably expect at least some of you to get mad salty at my comment here and claim I'm some sort of Nintendrone or some other BS, which only proves how ignorant you truly are.)
man i was going to agree in this argument tiill i read the comments all people just hating on Nintendo as bad as the company is i could just buy the games from amazon or GameStop
pirating games is still illegal idk why the piracy stuff has become a whole argument. for streaming services it's a different story
People who pirates likes to dress themselves up as some saint by “buying the game after pirating it because it was so good.” Ok so what is the game wasn’t as great as you thought it would. No way they’ll open their wallets. Ok, what about game preservation. Uhh it’s still on the market. lol.
In the future any machines built to play Nintendo Switch games will be discontinued and eventually the hardware will fail ... at that point all the physical games you "own" will just be paper-weights. Emulation is needed for those who want to enjoy games of the past but can no longer re-purchase the product.
Don’t worry, Nintendo will gladly resell them to you in the distant future.
@@thelastdragon5551 Possibly, but how many games from the Switch do you think Nintendo is willing to resell in the future? Probably barely any.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 If Switch 2 is backwards compatible and all digital games follows your N account, well there you go.
@@thelastdragon5551 I was talking more about after the hypothetical Switch 2 but fair point.
@@ProjectionProjects2.7182 I was too. Isn’t that one of the biggest concerns amongst Switch owners? Will it be backwards compatible or not?
An out-of-court settlement that is approved by a district court judge doesn’t set actual legal precedent anywhere, even in the court where the settlement was signed off on. Nintendo can and will point to it and ask that it be considered as such, but if it isn’t argued on the merits in court, and isn’t affirmed by an appellate court decision, it doesn’t serve have anything but persuasive authority that can be ignored by future courts and argued as irrelevant by future parties.
Keep in mind the creators of Yuzu also created Citra which also was taken down
Nintendo is the worst. They want you to pay for old games on old tech.
Shitaro's Nintendo is the worse shit, it is not the actual Nintendo we used to love
That they don't actually get money for, clown companie🎉
This statement is just wrong. Nintendo never liked emulators. This is nothing new. Nintendo ALWAYS hated emulators and mods@@toututu2993
They literally blocked a Nintendo Switch emulator. A console that is still supported. This is not about preservation, this is about PIRACY
@@ricln5464the switch was old tech on release day. They barely ever discount their games. They are greedy and if it was up to me would stop making consoles and just make games.
nintendo killed the only true 3d 3ds today
Wait what? Citra literally can’t do 3D lol
@@IceBlueLugiait can if you have a vr headset or a 3d monitor
@@gonekrazy3000 oh shit. Well, panda3DS exists at least
Emulators aren't the problem. They never were and never will be. The problem is piracy and YUZU simply screwed up big time. And it is funny how most emulator devs don't seem to worry all that much. The only people who are crying the most about this situation are people who pirate games.
Last Nintendo product I’ll ever buy. Life is too short to support unethical, lazy companies.
My last one was the Wii. Got bored of Nintendo releasing inferior products at premium prices, and don't get me started on the game prices.
For example, at the time of writing:
Dark Souls Remastered PS4 at 60fps with superior graphics and settings = $18.98.
Dark Souls Remastered Switch at 30fps with inferior graphics and settings = $49.
DOOM PS4 at 60fps with superior graphics and settings = $29.
DOOM Switch at 30fps with inferior graphics and settings = $59.99.
What a joke.
@TheKidDoc81 Animal Crossing for $60 😂
Come on now. Not only Nintendo is being cheated for this but also the people who bought the games. Players bought the games for $50 to $70 only for some to be able to play it for free. Just because emulation hasn't been dealt with in the past doesn't mean companies will simply keep on allowing it. Nintendo is just different. They actually do something to protect their products.
The using a BIOS issue lawsuit had already been done when Sony sued Bleem to death; even though they lost every time. The thing Nintendo got Yuzu on with this lawsuit has to deal with circumventing the encryption keys; which Citra uses as well. I don't think they're able to go after anything else.
Sucks that using encryption keys that Nintendo willingly gives physically to it's users is considered unlawful.
unfortunately that's not all , the yuzu team were dumb enough to have a private channel in the official discord where they exchange roms . so if a "spy" were to get in an manage to get access to say channel they have all the proof they need ( which is what happened there's screenshots 😅 )
@@trungussFalse the encryption keys are only obtained by modding the console which in itself is illegal according to the terms and conditions no one reads. (seriously who reads the terms and condition when buying a console)
@@maxamillion2k7 Modding consoles is just straight up not illegal. You are false.
@@maxamillion2k7 Unless you are referring to Japanese law.
can Nintendo actually prove just how much they have lost from Switch games piracy if its as bad as the PSP and Vita
When the video is 1 minute old and people comment about how good the 12 minute video is😂
What's the difference of using their "copyrighted key" if you're already using a copy of their game, which is copyrighted material, and that's ok? I mean, I get it, but come on, they're just trying to find a loophole.... It really makes no sense that you would be able to use a copy of the game but not that.
In regard to content, this is how it works in the United States:
When you purchase a physical or digital copy of anything, you purchase the rights to have access to the data stored within the medium. You can do whatever you want with this, producing copies for personal use and modifying it if you so desire; however, there is one caveat-no reselling the product and if you modified it before reselling, you must pay royalties to the original producer if possible.
By definition, owning a digital copy of the game, owning access to it on a server, or owning a physical copy is ownership of these rights. A console is merely a medium from which to play these games-but the data is yours. You can take this data and use it in an emulator should you choose to do so.
Nintendo is starting to sound like Ferrari here...
If Nintendo did not license they products to any other platform, they have the right to block it, LEGALLY. YUZU is literally blaiming the buyers of their product for the issues that have developed.
Nintendo pretending to be against scalpers and delaying Switch 2, meanwhile letting people scalp old hardware to play their old ass games they don't sell anymore, because they don't want you to play on an emulator. Can't make this shit up.
I don't know why, but I get this sensation that there is going to be a group of online vigilantes that are probably going to retaliate towards Nintendo for doing this. I feel like they went a step too far this time... Nintendo is pissing off too many people at once by doing this.
Yuzu tried to sell keys to each user for access. It was not a free emulator, but a paid for profit one. The developers from Nintendo have rights to their systems property and games.
They only sold early access but overall it was free. I've used Yuzu for a long time, never had to pay for anything. I honestly have no idea where some of you get your info, it's not remotely true.
What is the most expensive gaming computer you can buy that puts everything everyone else to shame
Nintendo: Gamers, don't you dare emulate our games via emulators
Nintendo gamers: Then Nintendo, please do something to allow us to play old Nintendo system games on the Switch
Nintendo: Absolutely not. We don't want you playing older games and hurting our sales + profits of newer games.
Legally binding precedent doesn't occur at the trial court level, it is only created when an appellate court publishes a decision. Trial court and nonpublished appellate court decisions are not controlling law.
nobody cares
I would say that Nintendo and others are doing this because they will do a subscription like service for retro gaming, but I don't know any of the libraries being available to play.
Bruh NSO
@@thelastdragon5551they will never release their retro Pokémon games so people keep buying their half assed new garbage Pokémon games.
As of now, Citra also has been shut down as well
At first I agreed. BUTTTTTTTT I was playing splatoon and realized there are player unrealistically good. It made no sense. I looked up splatoon cheater. And guess what? It's been a problem. This would make sense why they'd want to stop it. It makes the game unenjoyable even players have an advantage over you due to cheating/hacking
The multiplayer lobbies on Yuzu were not connected to the main, legit, copies on switch.
@@DatDudeVince Rom players don't connect to the same servers as switch players?
no@@dimitry03
As gabe said, "piracy happens because of a service issue "
Just a minor correction about decryption keys. The keys are not copyrighted. Decryption keys are not copyrightable.* The actual problem is with the DMCA rather than conventional copyright. A decryption key is part of the mechanism to copy protect games, and including the key with Dolphin could make it be considered a circumvention device and forbidden by the DMCA. At least that is the legal argument that is used.
A settlement can never be a precedent. Nintendo is just as afraid of a precedent as emulator developers are (because they don't know what it would end up being).
*(When you think about it, there are problems with the idea of decryption keys being copyrighted. The big thing is that they are supposed to be secret, and that is supposed to be their protection. Copyright is to protect things that are public, not secret. Also, decryption keys don't meet the length and artistic value minimum criteria to be copyrightable.)
perfect ending "hey Nintendo, FUCK YOU"
I buy my games all physically, but this makes it so easy to dislike them because we know they are prone to taking down their shops and cutting off access to games, so emulators are the only viable way to play many titles in the long run. They're so anti-consumer. :I
So spend $80 on a game that's dependent on a company server that they can shut down anytime they want. Consumers are stupid. Viva emulation.
What Yuzu did wrong is that they were selling early access builds of Yuzu that played Tears of the Kingdom both before and at launch of Tears of the Kingdom. In other words the only way to play TotK on Yuzu at the time was to give them 5 dollars. So basically Yuzu was profiting off of people who wanted to pirate TotK. That is why Nintendo went after them and why Nintendo possible had a case against them. This is also why Ryujinx is safe and every other emulators are safe. It's worth noting that Ryujinx actually ran TotK before Yuzu was able to, yet they were not targeted.
Yuzu got targeted because the creators were being stupid about how they ran things. I always hated that they locked away their latest updates behind a paywall, I feel like it goes against the principles of open source emulation. Their decision to get more easy money with that paywall bit them in the ass and they were forced to shut down. All other emulators are not greedy like the creators of Yuzu, so they should be safe.
Hell if they made PC ports of Nintendo games maybe less people would pitate
That would be the dream but let’s be honest, why tf would they do dat when they’re making a profit on their software AND hardware 🤣
@@dannyrvt6924they know millions of people will buy their hardware, buy their software, and then buy 3rd party software that they get a cut from. They're very happy where they are.
@@dannyrvt6924They'd open a whole new market to themselves. They could provide a launcher that's both a game store and emulator launcher in one. Have multiple emulators for older consoles, as well as the Switch. Then provide the games for sale. People would buy the games. They'd make a lot of money. But they won't because it's not their hardware.
aint gonna stop piracy. Nintendo could make the Switch 2 twice as powerful as the ROG Ally with a price that is excellent and people will still pirate.
nah. I'd pirate it even more, bcuz you don't need emulators for launching their games.
Yuzu rolling over like they did is an insult to every person that donated to the team. You let us down yuzu.
Tbh, I moment I heard that people were emulating TOTK before the game even released, due to it being leaked online, I knew this was bound to happen eventually... It also gave Nintendo a basis on which to argue that Yuzu enables piracy (because let's be honest, it does, and a large percentage of people who were emulating switch games didn`t actually own the games). The thing that surprised me the most, Tbh, is that this hadn`t happened sooner, since switch emulators have existed for years, and I would`ld of thought they would go after Yuzu and the other popular switch emulator as soon as early versions came out
It’s like every game company is ruining some part of the industry.
Simple enough to make a law stating that all games and console software can be copied and edited with no restrictions, 5 years after production of that console has stopped. At that point, developers and console makers aren't making money on the sale of physical games anyway and once online services for a console shut down, they aren't making money on digital versions either.
Nintendo sucks so bad...
Nintebdi might actually be the biggest babies in the corporate world. They just make me regret ever owning a switch.
(Insert 5 straight minutes of swearing here) you Nintendo!
To pirate a game it has to be worth something first.. Just Ignore Nintendo, then black list them.. No company is rich enough to last forever no matter how big hey are..
So what If Nintendo wants to go bankrupt? Then let them.. Without eyes on their products they will die like countless brands before them, It just might take longer.. Switch was made with hardware that was borderline obsolete, when they started development, don't look at what they claim, look at what they do..
The bad guys of world war two put up a invincible appearance before they imploded.. Making yourself look strong while you are in reality weak will break you, as one video game protagonist said, "those who make themselves hard, make themselves brittle...."
Austin can't handle the truth flying from Matt! Speak that truth Matt!
The biggest issue is it’s a current gen console and the emulation not only doesn’t suck, but is a BETTER experience than the official hardware. If it wasn’t as good an experience then they wouldn’t care as much. If it was an older console then again they wouldn’t care as much. We’ve seen both those things hold true for decades. But the second it seems like potentially a threat to current sales it gets people pulling out the ban hammer.
The one benefit is that it seems the creators of yuzu won’t be held personally liable. The company will likely just go bankrupt and they are left fine.
This feel like buying a copy of a DVD/BluRay where I have to watch FBI copyright warning which I can't skip despite the fact I could download a copy of the same movie which doesn't have that 'feature'. Why do we have to watch these warnings over and over for things we've paid for? We're being told not to pirate things when we have already paid for them and unfortunately the rest of the world gets stuck with them because US law says so (I'm in the UK btw and used to use Napster but also bought loads of CD's)
Not only that, they're known to support Israel due to ties with the Zelda director.
All my homies hate Nintendo!
Nintendo has been trying to ruin things for years, ever since they came to the west with their NES, 1 of their first attempts was when they tried making cheating devices such as Game Genie illegal, and even took them to court claiming copyright infringement, and this was because they had a money making business with the Nintendo hotline, where they made thousands of dollars having little kids call them on a hotline and then being charged for the minute, to help them beat games and stuff or through their Nintendo Power magazines which were subscription based, but fortunately Galoob pulled through and won in court against them winning 15 million dollars in damages.
They also tried making videogame rentals illegal by suing Blockbuster, and their claim was that Blockbuster photocopied their game manuals which were supposedly copyrighted, but Blockbuster just decided to fold and settle out of court for an undisclosed amount, and then they later made business with Nintendo by doing the whole machines to be able to print out photos taken in Pokemon Snap and stuff.
The people at Nintendo were dumb enough to make their own worst enemy too, because at first they were co developing the Nintendo Playstation which would have used Sony's CD technology, but when they realized that the contract wasn't in the best odds for them because it would give publishing rights to Sony, they decided to back out in the worst way possible, where they announced at an E3 that they were going to pair up with their competitor Philips, and thats how we got those terrible CD-i games all because Nintendo betrayed Sony, and I am glad that Sony stepped up and made the Playstation as a big F you to Nintendo, and then they beat them in console sales for years, as the Playstation 1 and Playstation 2 were the best selling systems of their generations.
I also remember that 1 case with the Donkey Kong cabinets too, where each cabinet required the permissions and manufacturing of another company called Ikegami that Nintendo had partnered up with, but as they saw that the Donkey Kong machines were turning a very good profit and stuff, they decided to reverse engineer the technology and software in order to be able to make their own cabinets, and then they tried to play dumb until they were sued by that other company, for a sum of 580 million yen but they settled out of court for an undisclosed amount.
And there has been a lot of other things that Nintendo has done throughout the years but my point with what I mentioned is that Nintendo is not as invincible as they claim, since most recently they had been sued by a Mother for their kid's Joycon drift issues, as multiple of their Joycons had the same issue and Nintendo wanted to charge money for the repairs, which was why that woman took them to court and that forced Nintendo to have to handle the Joycon drift repairs for free, where only shipping had to be paid as it was decided to be a manufacturing defect, and I wish that more people were as brave as that family, since its time that Nintendo gets put in their place.
This could kill the whole retro community if precedent is set 😞
Well it takes just one person to reverse engineer the last version of yuzu and develop their own version
This problem is easy... Don't buy Nintendo products.
Honestly: We should all immediately stop babying any Nintendo content and end all subscriptions. This is the biggest BS scandal ever. Even PPSSPÖ has not been taken down, or any PS3 emulators. WTF…
exactly! i created an nes emulator for educational purposes by the way
And this is why I LOVE Nintendo. Fuck the buddy buddy shit, they own their properties and they protect them. Simple.
There are plenty of arguments to be had around the subjects of piracy and emulation, but I will never acknowledge Nintendo's claim to have a right to control what devices/software their games can be played on. They can declare that it's their right all they want, and they can even get the law on their side about it, but I do not accept that they (or any other company) deserve to have any say in what someone can or can't do with their products after purchasing them.
Lesson learned: only build emulators that play pre-decrypted roms.
In fact, Yuzu and Dolphin could have both been built to do that, it's super easy, there is no technological reason why not. In fact, it's easier, "no code" is always simpler than writing code to do something. The reason that Yuzu required decryption keys is because it was supposed to _make piracy harder._ Switch ROMS are all encrypted, so you need decryption keys from a real console to play them, this is intended to add an extra step for pirates.
Alternatively, emulators could trivially just run roms that have been decrypted ahead of time with some other, unrelated tool. Then all the roms on the internet would be distributed decrypted, and pirates would be able to just download and run, no keys required, super easy. The rom site people would have done the circumvention before posting.
Nintendo's recent string of nonsense strongly implies that option two, the _easier piracy_ route is much more legally safe for emulator devs. They can just require that you circumvent the DRM ahead of time before it ever touches the emulator and then Nintendo can't claim the emulator circumvents DRM anymore.
Software compatibility layers are completely, totally, 100% legal, you can even _charge_ for tools that do so. Circumventing DRM is illegal under the DMCA, and that is the grounds Nintendo has been suing everyone over lately.
If software needs key to work that’s copyrighted I don’t see issue with anyone going after them. Not the popular take here but just how I feel about it. Back to playing Zelda at 4k…have a good day
My thing is I understand that downloading bios are “illegal” but I feel like this is the same argument we’re having with the 2k community. If I purchase something with actual money is it not mine because it’s digital maybe you guys could look into that as well
Tired of being told what we can and can’t do with stuff we buy. We don’t own anything anymore. We just rent stuff. I’ll forever run roms and emulators. Building arcade classic setups to play with my wife and kids is one of my favorite things to do. Make anything into an arcade system that wasn’t meant to do that is fun. You cant use something you have and your imagination to create something new without a rich company getting mad that they don’t have control over everything you do on it. Also if Nintendo would sell there games on PC and other devices no one would pirate them because we can make it run they way it was meant to instead of there cheap systems that hold back there amazing games.
You don´t Windows 11-systems either. You don´t own Windows 10-PC either, if you haven´t noticed it yet. You have fewer and fewer control over your PC in 2024...
Using a PC in 2024 is outdated that´s why.More and more games on a HIghend PC in 2024 run like ass.
Nintendo has given choice many years ago to change this fate.
People didn´t want it. People (majority) has chosen they are OK with not owning products and they are OK with rust renting products.
Now you simply can no longer own their products. As you said: You just rent it now.
People get exactly what they deserve!
Until they shut VUDU down and everyone lost their "legally owned copy."
Guess modding games is off the table now too then? It requires copyrighted code to even exist.
Nintendo. Violating right to repair, disabling historical archiving, and being bullies just because they can.
8:24 I think they forgot Dolphin, which is a wii and gamecube emulator. Nintendo teamed up with valve and went crazy with Dolphin
really shut down an emulator when they shut down the 3ds eshop? evil.
Maybe post an update on this? Yuzu definitely was aiding pirating.
And the keys part. There was a stored file that facilitates decryption after the first decryption, so this counts as using nintendos code on their.
Sudachi dev took off his code.
Yuzu made somemistakes
the funny part is that if nintendo make ports for pc of there games, probably a lot of people would buy it and not use emulators
Nintendo rely on exclusives to sell their shitty hardware and consoles, if they made pc ports no one would buy their half backed underpowered consoles
Honestly, if you made a product that you invested Millions f dollars into developing, you wouldn't want ANYONE cutting into the sales of said product, regardless of, and especially if it runs better than your product, and you SHOULD (if you have the money) seek to prevent them from eating into your customer base to take away from the profits that would and should otherwise be yours.
If people are smart enough to make emulators… WHY NOT JUST ENGINEER THEIR OWN SYSTEMS AND TAKE IT TO MARKET??!?!?
Sorry, but as someone who has actually spent time and money to develop my own products, seeing someone ripping off your stuff and making money off of your hard work and investment is not only morally and ethically wrong, but it's also illegal as it falls under infringement and proprietary laws. Nintendo is 1,000% right on this.
I am going to download Yuzu and Citra, set them up, and feed the emulators some (pirated) games, and emulate.
YESSSS!!!!!!!!
the only reason nintendo has a problem with the roms is that they dont want to give us what we want
Palworld should be Nintendo's wake up call
6800 paid members to Yuzu on Patreon will get an email that they have to pay fine, because they are complicit.
#FuckNintendo
That is all.
oh no u cant pirate switch games now
@@whitefox25 Oh no, some random company is policing how I use the physical goods I own when it doesn't affect anyone else.
you dont own games u download on yuzu sorry. the fact yuzu lets u download and play switch games without owning a switch is the maiin issue. The majority of users didnt even own a switch or buy the games they just downloaded em for free@@trunguss
pretty much@@QuantumChrist
@@QuantumChrist You either have no idea what you're talking about or you get a kick out of people like me getting mad.
Word is, the devs of Yuzu were aiding people to get Tears of the Kingdom a week BEFORE it came out on thier discord. That's where they truly f'd up and crossed the line
Honestly though. With all the shit Nintendo pulls. DMCA 100% free fan projects all the time, strike down anything that has any image/snippet what have you of their IPs, shutting down tournaments if they don't have their grubby hands in them. I was already on the Nintendo hate train. After this, it's official. I'm never giving Nintendo any money for the rest of my life. Fuck Nintendo. Some of the best games out there, one of the absolute worst companies. If I ever want something official of theirs from now on, second hand exclusively.
If you don’t like what Nintendo is doing, then leave their property alone. Don’t play their games, don’t buy their hardware. If you are making money stealing their stuff, the bell may toll for you.
If buying isn't owning, then pirating isn't stealing
Most people voted they are OK with no longer owning products though...What did you think?
Website is not down cause they are having to report any downloads that take place while they shutdown, please use a VPN when online.
Let em know Matt.