EU votes to mandate removable batteries in smartphones in a landslide; no more glued together junk!
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Smart phones SHOULD have removable, replaceable batteries. It's stupid that they don't. The reason the were removed is that it make production cheaper (but they didn't pass on this savings to consumer) and to force you to have to upgrade every few years (or pay a high fee to replace the battery through "authorized" dealers who can still screw up your phone as the manufacturing makes it really difficult to do by design.) It's stupid.
You missed just one point when #Apple does not return your original rather the #GeniusBar just tweaks the #BatteryHealth back to cent per cent in #India
A smartphone battery lasts years. Who really keeps their phones longer than 5 years, I say massive minority. Fact best selling ones don't have itells you what you need know.
@@CarlWiganerUK I wouldn't count on that with all the fast charging technologies. It will last maybe a year if you charge it with > 30W charger. And many of the manufacturers remove the option how to charge your phone, ordinary or fast-charge, so you must use third-party chargers.
My 1+6T is still using the same battery and i bought the phone when it was released at the end of 2018, so almost 5 years ago. Battery does have pretty big drops occasionally and I would definitely would have loved to replace it, if it was easy. On my previous google nexus phone I did change everything from battery to charging port ( i think also camera, but not sure) which was amazing and way easier than it seems to be on current phones.
I feel that issue is that we who tend repair our stuff won't buy as often, so our "voice" is not heard as much as people who need to have latest, greatest and best looking things. I for example try to use same phone at least five years, and if manufacturer only looks up sales numbers, then yea those fashionable, but unpractical phones tend to sell better because people who have to but are too poor to show their status any other way go and buy those yearly.
I think that for safety and assorted IED factors phones should remain sealed, with only dealers and carrier companies allowed to service. Then I would build in a 3 year battery guarantee that comes with any new phone. Let the dealers swap them out for fresh units, people usually get an all new phone in 2-3 years anyway and are incentivized to do so. Too many options for smuggling and misuse not to mention use by para-military types. It's not like Europe is known for "smart" legislation, just passing along another unfunded mandate for manufacturers who may split their product lines in response for US/Euro markets, forcing phone redesigns and raising everyones costs etc. You can get too carried away with user serviceability issues, stick to laptops, Louis.
"but what about security!?"
- Apple probably.
they will use digital rights management to serialize the batteries so you can only use their batteries. just look at what one wheel is trying to do.
@@markburton5292 Based on the first article of that new law I would say that would be illegal in Europe. They must allow the usage of 3rd party batteries capable of powering the phone and still give the same performance and longevity such as experience that isn't bound to the battery.
Bro how is the government going to track your device 24/7 if you can remove your battery?
"But it will stiffle innovation" - apple.
@@markburton5292 Yes, it lacks a sentence that removable batteries from third party must be workable without the third party signing a contract with the original manufacturer. This would protected free markets and customer choise and should be fine with all stupidians (ups, misspelled libertarians).
The appeal of a removable battery is not just the ability to replace the battery; it’s also the ability to _remove_ the battery and power down the device.
I mean truly power down the device.
GPS and Mic will have their own hidden, non-removable battery.
@@technic1285Unlikely because that would consume a lot of power and that battery would be difficult to hide.
@@technic1285 a wee NIMH CELL would do. When battery goes flat I wan option to swap in a charged one.
Like when your OS is so frozen you can't power it down
The notion that a phone can't have a removable battery and still be waterproof is hilarious. I had a Galaxy S5, like you mentioned, and it actually went through a cycle in my laundry washing machine perfectly unscathed. Even took a voicemail while it was in there.
😂
True, I had OnePlus 5 which fell into a tub of water. I thought I lost it, then found it after calling from my friend's phone after couple of hours. It was vibrating under water. Now my sister still uses it.
@@vineethsai1575 OnePlus 5 battery isn't removable
Galaxy S5 was kind of a trash phone. Cover is plastic that's easy to break, and charging cover.
@@L2002 oh yea sorry. Forgot about that.
The market didn't choose to go with phones with locked in batteries. We weren't given a choice at all. They just took the feature away and charged us more.
Even if/when they do bring back removable batteries, most manufacturers will figure out other ways to follow the path of planned obsolescence.
Most important part of this EU legislation is the mandatory 5 year software support.
Very good news!
Oh wow. That is the main issue that causes my phones to time out.
lol all those shitty brands having a heart attack
@@iwillnoteatzebugs if you directly import from china I doubt they will fall under this regulation.
Only if they are officially in the EU
They should also be *forced* to allow you to unlock your bootloader after they stop supporting the phone.
It's ridiculous companies can just decide an EOL date for devices that are still fully capable, hardware-wise.
Hey, EU please mandate headphone jacks too please!
This is a harder take to defend. It's not like the technology that obsoletes headphone jacks is proprietary, anyone can make a bluetooth audio device, and the dimensions of the jack really are approaching the total thickness of the thinnest phone models. There's probably also something to be said about the structural problems with having a deep hole inside of a brick, almost as thick as the thing itself.
I agree that it may be a harder take to defend though not for the reasons you listed id say it would be a problem because it doesnt have so much to do with consumer protection @@matthewjungmann12
Headphone Jack's are super old. Wireless Earbuds are way better. I used to love wired headphones. But after using Bluetooth earphones. Much better.
@@MrJamiezRecharging earphones, awesome! More waste!
@@matthewjungmann12So you force people to add dongles (wastes ressources) or use wireless headphones (with batteries). Both are not great for the environment, so let's just wait. Also, the devices are so thin, a headphone jack is not a problem. If you want "After Eight"-sized devices, that is fine, but I doubt they are tougher and literally don't break that fast.
Good. Who's got time to keep paying someone else to replace the battery. Like you I remember being able to buy spare batteries and replacing them.
No offense to me or people like me but the fact that normal people have to pay someone like me for basic fucking maintenance like replacing a battery, because they don't own a hot plate or molybdenum wire or pre cut 3m adhesive or something is insane. I want to make money off difficult repairs, worthy repairs. Not basic maintenance that used to be possible and was taken away from you for no good reason. Paying repair people for battery replacements on smartphones or headphones is clown world to me.
There's more than enough money to be made turning a jumper wire into $50 or $250 using your brain to spend your day on a hot plate prying and melting battery back cover adhesive. Let people replace their own batteries easily.
@@rossmanngroup you are my favourite tech youtuber for this reason. you're such a genuine person about right to repair
@@rossmanngroupAnd that’s why we respect you so much. Keep up the good work!
The sad thing is we have too many voters in the USA who listen to endless amounts of official sounding propaganda and vote in politicians screaming for deregulation because you know... government is pure evil and everything should be left to the private sector and free markets. Sounds great in a political ad catering to angry voters, but it never pans out that way. Instead, we end up with corporate overlords running things with little accountability.
Like changing oil in your car it used to be more common
No! I want to pay gas money, time and $89 replacing my phone battery at an Apple Store! 😡🤬 It will break my heart to pay $15 on eBay!😭
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Holy fuck it's the chocolate rain guy
@@stalebread7972 holy fuck it's the guy that says it's the guy to the guy
Apple: this will be a new feature
:DD
"Our engineers have come up with this new ground breaking technology.."
…and we’ll charge you extra for it because it won’t be included in your purchase of the phone. However, it will come in several beautiful colors and different lifetimes.
apple
>remove everything so it's 15% thinner and call it 'innovation'
>start bringing back those same removed features from 10 years ago and call it 'innovation'
>???
>profit
For the next few years they'll be campaigning hard against this, only once they are forced to do it, they'll introduce it as a feature and it'll be "bold" and "brave". We'll see the same thing with the usb c. Guarantee they'll advertise it as as awesome feature never before seen on the iPhone
Mr Rossmann you make complete sense and yes, I do believe that a lot of people in society are “ Sincerely brain damaged “
Brainwashed
I really hope that this goes through. I really miss replacing my batteries
Forced obsolescence is diabolical and the more laws put in place to stop this disgraceful practice the better.
Thats capitalism for you, profit for the sake of profit
Literally not capitalism.
Capitalism isn't defined by some guy screwing another.
Ever seen communism? It's like the main thing is screwing other people over.
My grandma still uses her oven that was installed in 1952.
I really hope this is one of those situations where companies will adopt the same design for their products worldwide because of regulations in one of their regions
I hope they just tell the EU to screw off, lmfao. Trying to regulate the rest of the world.
That's how we got USB-Micro to be the standard for a long time. I believe the same is already happening with USB-C.
It will. Apple will have to comply with the EU regulations or withdraw from the market. They will not be able to control the sale of EU spec phones to other markets no matter how much they may want to. This is coming.
Hopefully EU gets inferior phones. I mean they already do with exynos chips. You want a removable battery then be my guest and buy a tracphone. I enjoy holding glass and metal not plastic
@@drewywgx924 Yeah, thank goodness there’s no competition in the phone market and manufacturers don’t fear losing a few billion in sales to their competitors 🤡
I'm in the EU. I love the idea of replacing the battery on my own as well as any right to repair my appliances. That doesn't mean that the vast majority of users really care about it or would make any significant effort to change the battery. I just hope we also get good access to original high quality batteries instead of copies with no thermistors, etc. But as I grow older I'm getting to be less of a libertarian and start to look forward to regulation guaranteeing my right to repair and freedom to do what I want with the devices I've bought in this everything-as-a-service world we'll end up living in.
The EU can giveth, and the EU can taketh away. Just remember that
@@sabersz what is the point you are trying to make?
@@bgfelagund there's no need to dive headfirst into sucking off something like the EU for these handful of great things they do when they can just as easily do things to harm you, or take back what they've already put into legislation.
For example, remember Article 13? That was the EU.
I don't think it's a necessarily smart idea to ask for heightened regulation from unelected, self-interested politicians who probably don't even know you exist. Really, how does one go about electing EU MPs?
@@sabersz yeah some ideas are good, others not so much. I don't get the EU hate. Overall I'm ok with most of the legislation and am really happy to be in the EU. And the candidate I voted for got in the EU Parliament so I feel represented even if I wouldn't agree with all of his choices. Right to repair has been going in the right direction if a bit slow. I have more gripe with the recent moves on accountability for software components in your code base and the potential impact on FOSS usage.
The EU moves a bit slow on most topics but it's to be expected.
@@sabersz It mainly giveth as far as consumer rights are concerned.
This also allows you to own multiple batteries. You could swap to an extra battery on the go if your main battery runs out. USB-batterybank manufacturers hate this one weird trick.
They could manufacture external chargers, that would also save wear on the crappy charging ports on modern phones, especially as they get older and need frequent charging due to the irreplacable batteries we have now. An external charger with a fixed cable beats a crappy USB-C plug for durability!
When the battery on my old HTC desire started to fail, i bought a new one that I would be using, and kept the old one in a small case with me. It would only power the phone for a couple of hours but have gotten me out of tricky dead battery situations...
Yeah I bought an Xcover Pro for this very reason. Got fed up with my previous phone dying. Now I have a phone with a spare battery in my wallet.
Exactly! I used to have an extra battery for my Nokia phones back in the day
@@Rig0r_M0rtis yeah i'd much prefer a small replacement battery i can fit in at full charge instantly than relay on a power bank to charge my existing phone.
This reminds me of the fight for legislation mandating that refrigerator doors be easily openable from inside, because kids kept dying trying to use them in games of hide and seek. The manufacturers lobbied hard against it, insisting it was completely unfeasible. The law passed anyway, and lo and behold, they suddenly were able to design the magnetic seals that we all consider normal today.
Yeah but the kids who would have died are now voting Democrat
@@cagneybillingsley2165 oh sweet summer child.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 I spend way too much time reading that.
@@cagneybillingsley2165 Louis said that this could probably cut profits of companies that would do that, because the consumers wouldn't buy new products as often. That means, companies that would do that *_solely_* would lose to competition. But, when suddenly all companies would do that on the same market, all of them will have less profit and the competition would probably stay the same
The easy solution would have been to put people who lobby against it inside the refrigerator so they can show us how to get out of it. If they can't... well... their issue.
Apple must be thrilled with this new law since now they can save the environment even more, since they loved not including chargers, this way phones wont have to be discarded as much.
after I got my first smartphone without a removable battery I almost broke it trying to remove the battery when it froze and refused to turn off.
It really was a rug pull on removing this feature that used to be commonplace.
I'm 100% on board to make this into law.
I was so shocked and happy to see this. The EU is carrying the right to repair movement to the next level and I'm here for it.
I think that is mostly due to the environmentally friendly push that currently happening in Europe. Right to repair and environmental friendliness just go hand in hand. More right to repair = less electronic waste = better for the environment. So I would expect a lot more of that coming from Europe in the near future.
It’s because their political structure haven’t been fully bought out by corporate interest yet. Domestically they just don’t have these oversized corporations dictating policies, and American influence is somewhat kept at bay.
@@juscbhbhuvsdsdvbhjwsdv3843 where do they hand out guns here?
Yeah, and right after that they will "ban encryption".
I'm glad to live there ! It's a nice move ! Now it would be nice to extend it to other products. Like ANC headphones.
The market didn’t choose, they the manufacturer made the choice with any consideration for the user . It was done because of profit.
I hate when people say customers "choose" something when it was the only option available.
People in America don’t understand what freedom is
I'm guessing that the reason they no longer use textured backing on phones is because they want to increase the likelihood of the phone slipping out of your hand. The industry has come up with so many ways for the consumer to prematurely replace their phones.
Or maybe because glass is a nicer material than plastic
@@dean._.0.0 Glass on a mobile device is just idiotic. It's slippery, extremely fucking cold when you live in cold climates and a single drop = done. I take plastic over glass any day of the week.
@@gundalfthelost1624 Okay, that’s your personal preference. But at the end of the day it’s not some conspiracy to keep people buying phones. They do market research and there are plenty of people like myself that like the glass build over the plastic.
@@dean._.0.0They can easily use metal back cover, that's way more durable than glass and feels premium.
The main reason for using glass to make the phone fragile and hope that the user breaks it. Then anti-consumer brands like Apple will make it impossible to replace the glass-back, so you have to buy a new phone.
@deanmartinez7429 what is wrong with you people?? put a casr on your phone!
you know something is broken when a proposal with 98% support has "a good chance to be put in law"
Is that so? Mao’s China, Hitler’s Germany, the whole Soviet Eastern European front and the USSR, Cuba, Venezuela, N. Korea, had similar “consensuses” in legislations. That’s a rhetorical way to hint to you that you have no idea what you are talking about and that you conflate meritocracy with fascism/socialism. This is clearly government coercion (whether you agree with it or not) and it opens a dangerous gate for bureaucrats. The system is now officially fascist/socialist, not a market economy and capitalism.
That's because it's an EU legislation, that being forced onto all EU members as law is a different story
This is how certain members of the European Commission will ensure a substantial "donation" to their favourite tax-haven based "charity."
Once Apple and Samsung have made their "donations" the legislation will be dropped.
Welcome to one of the reasons the UK left the EU.
EU members have veto powers, meaning if just 1 member acts like Turkey, the law might not pass.
@@teinmeizeshi5209 I'm pretty sure they don't, at least not for all areas of legislation.
It's so awesome to see the EU making these pro-consumer laws. It's like they actually care about the people and will not bend over to greedy coorporations
Yeah I wish Canada had half the common sense.
For each of these laws they bring 10 others that are really bad. But that said this law and the one forcing usb-c are really good for us. It should make you think why Apple is so against usb-c. But its half way that they dont force standard sized batteries too.
Wait until you see only a limited line of products released to EU from all manufacturers because they absolutely won't develop and test two separate phone models for every release they have. Say good bye to your favorite models of phones!
@@onewontdoSo this is your argument against… removable batteries?
@@bfapple I'm not for or against removable batteries in phones, friend. In fact, I could not possibly care less. All I am pointing out is the short-sightedness of people who think that transition into this change will be all so smooth. It's pretty obvious that corporations will compromise their models to accommodate this change with minimal effort and expenditure. It's just simple math.
If they do this, i get new phone!
Let's go Europe! 🎉
I disagree with this legislation. What if my kid removes the battery and gets electrocuted??? What if I buy a non apple battery and it turns my phone into an IED?? I rather let Apple decide for me and run my life completely.
This is the way
Apple loves me, I'm sure of it.
Bless
then your child is meant to die one way or another cause it(dk what you want it's sex be) can't even withstand low voltage
@@rossmanngroup you can only pin one comment. I would pin the other one you had earlier about theft. I don’t agree with your take but that comment seems much more deserving to be pinned. Also if you have the time look at the independent comment I posted
The EU votes 500 to 10. That by itself shows just how stupid any arguments against user replaceable batteries are
If EU can force USB-C in phones then I see no reason why removable batteries would not pass.
The main reason they couldn't would be because the people don't care as much, but it's great to have a chance for it
@@calebbarnhouse496very true. As someone who do battery modifications to revive old phones that have non removable batteries, I don't care if the EU makes removable batteries a standard. I'm sure a lot of android users have banged their heads on a wall after using phones with removable batteries, especially known to shut randomly, leaving the user as miserable as possible.
However, I never encountered a phone with non removable battery shutting down randomly on me and my charging routine has changed from 10 times to only twice a week, which is a game changer.
Non removable batteries are something I can change myself, so why focusing on this nightmare called removable battery
@@danteerskine7678propaganda
@@danteerskine7678 So make better connectors for the battery, and random disconnections don't happen.
@@danteerskine7678 Mine did last week. Turns out the battery has gone bad. So no I have to deal with the glue and finicky internal connectors instead of just buying a spare one.
I couldn't believe when I was forced to buy a glued in battery for the first time.
Zero people I know prefer a sealed in battery you can't swap.
As soon as one company gets away with something like that, they all follow suit. Users just never revolt.
I bought a fairphone.
A quote from MIB III(?): A person is smart, people are dumb.
A man will fight back if you scratch him; you have put people in a corner before they fight back.
"when I was forced to buy" What, somebody held you at gunpoint and forced you to buy a bad phone? Man, that must've been traumatizing. Wish that never happened, I am sure you would've totally bought a better phone from a better company otherwise!
@@caelestigladii i think that one is MIB I, but yes
@@RiskOfBaerYou’re not that bright are you? 🤓
I remember my Galaxy Note Edge with water resistance and a back that popped off. Then they changed to glued back to make it "more premium", but back in the Note Edge the lather pop off back was considered "premium" when it came out in 2014.
Fantastic news! This is why I still have my LG V20 phone. It's from 2016, it's 4G, but it does everything I need it to do very well. Most importantly, I can change the battery myself. I've changed and upgraded the battery twice, and the phone looks and operates as good as the day I bought it. Cheers.
Its amazing how the eu can manage to put out both the best and worst policies
Just curious: What do you mean by worst policies? Can you give an example?
The less you know, the more you'll screw everything that is complex up.
What would you consider "the worst" policies?
im also interested in what the "worst policies" are supposed to be
Examples for bad policies?
Misread the title for a second & had a mini heart attack thinking the EU was mandating non-removable batteries in phones 😅
Lol me too
Nah, that would be in the U.S not Europe lol
It's government. I would not be surprised
I do not blame you for assuming that we live in a clown world.
The EU isn't remotely close to perfect, but it would be the US that allows companies to do that.
A good part of our population thinks regulating companies is socialism after all.
Absolutely awesome !
Congrats to the EU for doing their best to put an end to planned obsolescence.
"To buy crap we don't need, to go into debt for things we don't want, to impress people we don't like."
Well said Mr. Rossmann. Well said.
The matter of fact is, that despite the high price point, a smartphone offers very good value and functionality.
Sounds like a Georga Carlin quote to me.
@@antman7673 but you don't have to replace it every single time Apple decides to release a new model.
@@autohmae Suze Orman used it for many years.
@@antman7673I think this is something that is lost on people. We have taken technology for granted for so long that we rarely, if ever, pause to realize the absolute near mythical capabilities we have, and what the magic rectangle in our pocket can do. Now it's true that most people don't use even a fraction of the capability, power, and utility that technology can offer, and mostly use it to do the same mundane and pointless things they would have done in their life without it, but that doesn't change the fact of the potential that is there.
Takes me back to college in 2002. A classmate asks me if I have a Nokia, I say yes. He asks if he can borrow the battery because he forgot to charge his phone. I say okay. He takes out my battery, puts it in his phone, makes the call he needs to make, takes the battery out and puts it back into my phone and says thanks.
Sometimes, the first step was the right one, non replacable batteries are such a scam!
Do we even need to replace the batteries... or is it actually possible to make an everlasting battery?
Look up "The Light Bulb Conspiracy" - a case on Planned Obsolescence.
@@pHD77no, batteries degrade over time due to the charge-discharge cycle which reduces the capacity.
I remember doing this. And you could literally have a spare battery instead of using a power bank. One battery dies put in another one and your phone's back to 100% instantly
@@ElisPalace sounds almost like a integrated powerbank 😱 Apple gonna say the invented it
Didn’t hear about this, thanks for making the video!
I never in a million years would believe his would happen. I do repairs and every time i have to replace a battery the nostalgia hits hard
I love that EU is trying to fix the techworld. GDPR, USB-C and now this.
Unlike the corporatocracy that is the USA
But then we had to leave the EU because brexit :( not my choice of course.
@yotoprules hopefully, we'll still be able to benefit from such new laws. Get me a prime minister who will make changes like these, benefiting the public and not the corporate profit margins, and they'll be the first to actually have my vote!
@@yotoprules9361 We're sad you guys left. EU isn't perfect, but it sure would be awesome having a united Europe not having to bend for anyone.
*ruin the tech world, now my phone is gonna break if it rains
I was never, for a second, ok with the battery being locked inside my device. But I remember whenever I questioned it, getting varying degrees of near ridicule along the lines of "Dude, are you serious? This is how it's done now". I think that argument alone is probably what carried this restrictive practice to become the norm.
"This is the new norm"
- Sheep
It's all the idiots buying apple devices. Apple tells them they don't need removable batteries so they just go with it. I hate apple users so much.
Why are you so upset about the Orphan Crushing Machine and the guy who's keeping his hand on the ON button? You may not like crushing orphans, but it is the way it's done now.
I’ve been using iPhones since the iPhone 4 and I still have my old 4 and even gave it a light up apple logo and there is still no problem with the battery just take care of your phone and it’ll last you instead of throwing it around like a spoiled child
It becomes a norm in flagship world when wireless charger start to rise and glass backpanel is the symbol of Supremiumity. But the problem is that even non-premium phone also follow this trend
Thank you for your energy and effort
Im from Europe, and didn't even know this was up for vote!!
Planned obsolescence is a trend that I hate right down to my very core. Making products that last is far more effective at reducing our need for the materials needed to manufacture stuff and obviously reducing the amount that we send to landfills. I would be perfectly happy using the same phone for 10 years and swapping the battery a few times. Sadly they make it so that even if you do keep it operational that long, the operating system doesn't get maintained that long.
The last company I know that kept the option to have somewhat replaceable batteries is Motorola with their Moto Z line.
Their Moto mods would allow you to attach an extra battery to the back, and even know, this looks like this is getting phased out.
Apple has been responsible for so much bad and corruption, while everyone else also trying to copy Apple's behavior. The only way people can fight back is by buying the competition who is "lesser evil", unfortunately, people are mostly blind and uneducated, so until this changes, companies like Apple and Amazon will have their way.
I do not have an Amazon account, I have never owned an Apple device. Monopoly is bad for the consumer, fight it any way you can.
You notice that these companies like to promote how ’green’ they are but want you replace a fully working product at the drop of a dime
How is a battery that degrades over time planned obsolescence? 😂😂😂 it’s not in our control how a battery degrades. Some people man. I’d gladly take solid phone with no easily removable panels. Makes for a cleaner device. Hence why devices have gone this direction.
@@RolandKoller90 -- Chips in your phone can last 3 life cycles beyond a battery life cycle.
So being so smart here, how is that good for the environment or for the user having to buy a brand new phone when it is just the battery that needs to be replaced?
Besides the maintenance factor - a lot of people forget this also comes with a convenience factor for users. I used to buy additionally a spare battery and a charger - so charging a phone was basically a battery swap -> battery from 0 to 100% in only seconds. And this was even at a time when one phone-charge lasted for up to multiple weeks.
i had 4 batteries for my s5. i always had a few batteries with 100% charge. was so easy, then all this bs happened.
Did this for my LG G5
Exactly. Took 2 more charged batteries in my pocket when I traveled with my S5, didn't have to charge it for a week!
It also means more profit for the manufacturers because they will be able to sell replaceable batteries.
@@jebes909090bro, you don't know what the ffuck you're talking about, I've been using android smartphones for over a decade and removable batteries have been a nightmare that I can't forget, especially the phone shut down randomly after 2 years of use and the removable battery is barely 2 years and lost nearly half of the capacity, rendering a 2500 mAh battery to only 1200 mAh of usable capacity, ah let's not forget the dreaded micro USB, another abomination
Non removable batteries made their ways and coming with 4000, 5000 even 6000 mAh battery for the Redmi 9 power, these batteries are hard to kill and are better due to their increased charge cycles and that you only have to charge the device twice a week over a mild usage. I do battery mods, especially using newer battery of renowned brand and superior capacity to revive older android phones with removable batteries that has been running android 5. I will always prefer non removable batteries anyways, that's my 2 cent
Great. It'll never see the light of day over here, companies will figure out how to mess it up just out of spite.
Time to show those companies who really has the power, too bad most of our power actively supports these companies screwing us over.
@@logans3365 people like us not buying their products for a cycle or two are easily subsidized by all of the people who do not care, or businesses replacing their fleet phones, etc. They're chilling no matter what we do.
This make sense, instead of paying outrageous prices to replace your battery!
I think it should be mandatory that we start building things meant to last.
Cellphones should have a lifespan beyond 3 years
Fine don’t have waterproof phones yiu F’in morons
Most cellphones have a lifespan over 3 years, I have mine for 4 years now and it still works fine, like the day I got it. Not an apple phone though.
The only issue is people want to play recent games, and for this you need more RAM, more Storage, more CPU power,...
That is tech advancements, that you cannot and should not stop.
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@@UCKY5 fortunately I stilll have my note 4 keep going. It is android 6.
@@frostsmaker8966 I used my N4 up to the beginning of this year, when a growing number of installed apps ...most notably a security system monitor... could no longer update because they stopped supporting android 6 (also had to update my hoopty data plan because the local bus system here dropped its free wifi owing to...lack of use)
"Lifetime of the product" is a dangerous loophole. They can artificially limit how long it works. Or just say "yup, we expect a phone to only work for 2 years. That is it's lifetime. The battery lasts for that, therefore it doesn't need to be user-replaceable."
Well, warranties on EU are 3 years for every appliance, plus manufacturers have to have replacement parts for every model for 10 years.
My Samsung Galaxy Note 3 lasted for 9 years before I replaced it with Fairphone 4. Had to replace the battery 3 times. "Lifetime of the product" is what the users are deciding, not the manufacturers. And if manufacturers disagree, then their "expected lifetime" should be advertised front and center, so that people can make informed decisions. Like the cancer warnings on cigarette packaging.
1:57 "or at the latest at the end of the lifetime of the appliance" sounds like it's specifically written to address that point. Oh your phone only lasts 2 years? Well, you still have to be able to replace the battery after 2 years.
The battery still must be user removable for the purpose of recycling the battery.
Also they can just lock the battery to that specific device so you need to go through the manufacturer anyway and third party or second hand batteries will not work. Companies like this are scumbags at finding these loopholes. They spend more money finding ways to avoid loopholes that it probably costs them more profit then if they had of just gone with it.
Well said sir. Unfortunately people are sheep
I hope this comes to the US. I am tired of phones with batteries that go to crap after a year and the only options are to take it to a shop or deal with it
They do not take consumer rights very seriously in the US.
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As a bonus: If they are removable then the swell from poorly made/old/mistreated cells wont damage the phone. This is a wonderful mandate.
And it won't be a fire or explosion risk right next to our faces! Talk about "safety & security"... 😂
I had a few phones that would have literally exploded if I could not have taken out the battery. With my current landfill expander 3000, I would not know if it is about to explode, because of how stiff it is AND if it gets to that point, it may break before I can save all the data, because there are likely cables that would rip when it bloats to that point.
@@em0_tion Battery being removable doesn't affect its safety in anyway whatsoever. Thus, your comment doesn't work in either way, literally or sarcastically interpreted.
@@anteshell why try to sound smart when your logic doesn't work at all. The fact that a swelling battery can be removed from the phone increases the chance of safety because the phone won't exploded along with the battery. Saving the hardware, a bigger fire or explosion and giving the user a chance to put the battery in a safer place. Even one more option for safety and security is an improvement. That's how you use logic.
@@Gahlfe123 the phone electronics do not increase the explosive load of the battery. Exploding battery is dangerous whether or not it is attached to the phone. My logic still holds up.
Also, if my comment seemed to you that I'm trying to sound smart, I got some bad news to you about your "smartness". Try again.
These companies are capable of designing incredibly complex hinges to facilitate their phones that LITERALLY FOLD IN HALF. Do people think they can’t design a clasp that allows the back to come off while still looking good?
Fairphone in phones and Framework in laptops (foldables, expandables, and XR wearables too someday) are already ahead of the curve. Now the EU is making them all do it! 😁
There's not a chance in hell anyone actually believes that. It's obvious corporate propaganda.
@@handlemonium the framework laptop does not feel nearly as solid or sturdy as a MacBook, this is for sure. I guess the fairphone is the same in comparison to the iPhone.
@@haomingli6175 they may *feel* more solid, but that doesn't make them any more (or less) durable compared to repair/upgrade/customization-friendly alternatives.
RIGHT TO REPAIR FOREVER!!
The choice for non removable batteries has been made by the manufacturers, therefore forced on to the consumer.
Samsung Galaxy XCover 6 Pro (2022) has an IP68 rating, and it has very decent specs. So Samsung already has the technology. The battery is removable and the back looks great. And since you can always buy a new back and replace it in seconds, you can use it without a case, scratch it and not care about it at all. It might be harder to implement wireless charging on removable backs, but I bet it can be done if they had no choice. Their only concern is that people will not buy the original stupidly expensive batteries and go for the Chinese version instead like they used to do back in the day. I would definitely give up on wireless charging for a removable back and battery.
Again, people need to have amnesia to forget that we used to have water resistance on a high level on devices with removable batteries. People like you do the good work in pointing this out. We appreciate you!
Even Wireless charging was no problem in the past with removable backs. They just glued a thin coil on the battery. But the battery is in most cases not the problem. It's the software. Most device don't receive any updates after 2-3 years.
What you fail to mention is that the XCover 6 pro is 5mm taller, 5mm wider and 3mm thicker than the A76 it is based on. So while yes, the technical capability is there, it comes at a fairly significant cost for many of us.
I dislike wireless charging because the efficiency sucks. And the argument that we cant put wireless charging with removable batteries its stupid, you just place a thin coil
Wireless charging won't go anywhere. Phone companies themselves have various chinese gadgets for such charging, cars are sold with wireless charging as a premium configuration. iPhone even canibalized their own branding by plumping magnets on the back as the main feature.
As a 20 year old who has sadly grown up with bank level security phone batteries, I can’t imagine how nice it would have been to own a battery charger and be able to carry 3 or 4 in a backpack or purse and always be safe. Imagine how good tech would be if not for planned obsolescence, having software let us know when our replaceable batteries quality was dipping
It was very awesome
Shh. This is exactly the kind of stuff not to say. Batteries are not safe to be stuck into a backpack or purse. Puncture a battery and there is going to be fire and death. Batteries has to be handled like ammunition.
And we got something called battery banks. Literately a case with a battery inside of it protected from random punctures. Had this garden water hose with this big puncture out of no where today. Imagen out of no where puncturing your backpacks 4 unprotected battery and having the hole thing lit on fire. Be smart and such it. Make sure to compare it to today alternative battery bank. And how much better it is to be able to carry around spare batteries instead of repeatedly cycling the same non removable battery over and over agen and running hot fast chagrin.
@@TheDiner50 ok so put your extra batteries in a little plastic cover. Problem solved.
I used to carry an extra battery in my pocket on long days. It was wonderful
But would there be a competition to develop better phones if their life cycle wasn't so short?
1:31 Thank you for mentioning these 2 devices
oh we all know every phone company is gonna try and lobby against this otherwise how are they gonna justify slowing down phones?
Removable batteries ruled. Had an extra battery and a charger for it, so i could deplete my phone, swap to a charged battery in 5 seconds and never have to be sitting by a charger or worrying about low battery.
Took it on trips so when everyones phones died at disney, i would have a fully charged batter on hand. Greatest feature ever
I have a headset with this feature, it has two plates which are held in place by magnets, one has the battery and the other a USB-C port, I never have to use the USB-C port because the headset has a base station which recharges the batteries, it came with two batteries and the headset does not need the base station to function, it works perfectly well with bluetooth. If I am on a flight and my headset runs out of battery then I can switch it but if I am on a flight and the phone runs out of battery... it's dead until it can be recharged; to get around this issue, I have to carry a much bulkier USB charger with me to charge the phone, encase I don't have the ability to do so else where for the phone; the headset I can just carry the spare charged battery.
The headset is a steelseries arctis nova pro wireless, encase anybody wonders.
Meanwhile I have an iPhone with 24 hour battery life that lasts nearly 2 days on a single charge
@@slapshotjack9806 until you start actually using it and the charge is gone in 8 hours, or as the phone ages the battery degrades so that 8 hours of listening to music drops to 4 hours and apple adds more "updates" which adds more background processing and that 24 hour battery lasts only 2 hours doing anything but sitting in your pocket with the screen off.
The batteries are just one way the phones are designed to fail (Planned obsolescence) 3/4 years after they are initially produced, 1st year it seems great, 2nd year it's still passable... 3rd year it's starting to become an issue and 4th year it's seemingly unusable now and you need to get a new one. A device which should be able to last 10 years barely lasts 3 years.
@@slapshotjack9806 I mean, if you don't use your iPhone, why did you buy one?
Sincerely, I work on my phones and call your bullshit.
@@slapshotjack9806 And how many months old is that baby?
In Germany we already had this legislation. Apple ignored it and eventually every other company did.
There was a settlement with the consumer protection agency but Apple eventually ignored that, too.
However, being shut out of the EU is a risk, Apple won't not be greedy enough to take.
Ya thats for me is like the microSD for the galaxy phones. It's rather annoying that it's not an option any more. If I want a smart phone without it I would have stayed with apple
That's not true, there is no such legislation concerning removable batteries in Germany. I am from Germany and almost all smartphones that are sold in Germany had no removable batteries. It's not just Apple who is doing that bs. In 2021 a legislation was proposed but has been discarded in favour of a European solution to this problem.
@@berlinbrandenburgarchiv3379 That German legislation was much older and maybe even predated smartphones. Could be pre-2000s.
Iirc, there were no consumer decives that were glued together before smartphones became a thing. Watches, Nintendos, mobile phones... all had screws anyone could use.
It's hard to find any info about it nowadays, though, because the search results are dominated by the newer laws
Yup they finally complied with the USB-C because of the EU this year, until their planned removal it out in a few years for inferior wireless charging which is bad for the battery life. Planned obsolescence like wireless only charging should be illegal.
I tell you why all manufacturers ignored it. The damages they suffer from getting sued due to the breach of consumer protection guideline is too little, compared to the profit they gain from Planned Obsolescence. Besides, these laws requires customers to file the lawsuit instead of the government checking for any anti-consumer behavior. Just like one case against Apple, the damages awarded was basically the amount that Apple makes in just 3 hours, so it isn't even a slap on the wrist. By the way that one particular lawsuit was for Apple getting caught throttling down the speed of the processor via software update on an older iphone under the guise of "battery protection".
Thanks Louis! Sure these things wouldn't have the same legs without your input - Kudos good sir!
God bless to the support agents you find in your way Louis.
I recall those days too. Removing the battery used to be completely normal. You would even need to remove it because the SIM card slot was underneath it. It was the ultimate reset if your phone froze, and let’s not even get started on the indestructible Nokia 😂
I think back to my Motorola flip phone that had a removable battery on the OUTSIDE of the phone. This let me have two batteries and swap them out when one needed charging.
You could beat someone to death with an old Nokia.
There was this cool thing I did back in the day: owning multiple batteries and negating the need to carry chargers on overnight trips
I used to swap batteries on hiking trips. Now I need to pack big and inefficient power banks. They can be used to charge other devices, but in my case that's useless.
This would be so cool combined with the USB- C feature to charge another device
its called powerbank
My coworker was bragging about his expensive new phone in front of the crew. Talking about how there were only a few phones on the market that could charge as fast as his. I had a tracfone, but I also had a spare battery on me and a little USB power bank. I told him, "Oh yeah, only X minutes to full charge?! What about this!!!!" ... In less than probably 15 seconds I had the phone hooked to the bank (to keep it on), the "dead" battery removed, and the fresh battery installed. It didn't get the reaction I really wanted, but it was still a win.
I rather recharge than swapping batteries nonstop
Insightful closing argument. Thank you.
Cool. I hope they do the same for laptops, along with user replaceable memory and SSDs.
Frankly, I'm glad they ate doing this. So many times we have come across full functionality devices, yet the battery was the only thing to have failed.
same. I have a fully working phone, except the battery is a balloon
they ATE.
Exactly! Batteries have a known cycle limit where they rapidly degrade. Some electronic components can work for DECADES. Replaceable batteries is important for the environment.
Fr my Galaxy note 9 is still working as intended but the battery became shit like 70% health.
Why were they eating while doing this?
I am all for removable batteries. Not only it allows to easily replace failing battery but also just having spare charged battery or two and just swapping them when one goes flat is very convenient.
@@compilationhub54do you drop your phone daily?
@@compilationhub54 maybe once or twice a year at most and even back in the day they never fell apart that easily unless you dropped it down 10 flights of stairs or something lol in which case you've probably buggered up the screen.
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I had a Samsung B2710 (I think) way back when dumb phones were still common. They solved that problem by having a rotating locking mechanism to hold the cover on.
There's no reason phones can't have such features today. Oh no... It might be 2mm thicker.
@CompilationHUB Yeah but not all phones had that problem, but also flagships with removable backs haven't been around in a long time.
I'm pretty sure we have technology and designs to prevent that. Even way back then some companies already minimized that issue. We're not living in 2010 anymore.
@@compilationhub54 We have the technology to create more durable cover locks than those old small Nokia phones. 😉 One advantage doesn't HAVE TO lead to another disadvantage.
I hope this will apply to laptops too. Phone's battery tends to last for the whole life time of a phone (at least in my case and I usually keep my phones for several years before I buy a new one), but laptops destroy their batteries even quicker. And now, they are all built in, so you can't swap them on the go. With my old laptop I'm used to carry 2 or 3 battery packs, so I can continue in my work even after the first pack is flat. With my company laptop I have no choice. It used to last almost 8 hours on medium brightness. Now it barely last an hour on super low brightness. And since this is a company laptop, I can't do anything with that.
I still have an old HP Probook that has a swappable battery. She doesn't really get used anymore as I finally could afford a new one but my battery had wore out a few years ago and I had to buy a new one. Cheaper than an entire new computer, and I got several more years of use out of it that way. That sucker is 12 years old now, she is slow as heck but she still runs
This is my issue too.
Most laptops have replaceable batteries. You just open the back cover, then change the battery.
Some anti-consumer manufacturers like Apple will, of course, glue their batteries and use proprietary screws.
@@Chopper153 Sure, but I prefer swappable battery packs for the reason mentioned above.
This law, yes, it passed, covers ALL user electronics, laptop, bikes, cars.
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This is excellent news. I've always been absolutely irritated by glued batteries. Even taking it to a service center, for battery replacement, isn't without risk - they would sometimes end up damaging the phone while trying to open its back.
or even try to replace your screen or other parts for bootleg or damaged ones if you're lucky to find a crappy service center
or more common you then have poor antenna reception or nfc doesnt work or the phone casing keeps opening up, i tried to open a sony m5 to replace the usb port and ever since the front facing camera doesnt work for no apparent reason and the sd card keeps unmounting (i fixit keeps these disassembly caused issues a secret) oh im an electronics repair engineer not the idiot youre probably thinking
*do not eat or drink contents of this battery.....
@@vablo7198Eh, screw it. It used to be 30 minutes, sure, but things have escalated since then. Replacement fees have gone way up from 60 bucks back then, and they've become glued on and crap, and they also stopped providing the parts.
@@vablo7198Bruh, SoC powersaving and battery chemistry improvements, not to mention larger physical battery size are all still applicable to user-replaceable batteries... They've even become cheaper to make. There are no drawbacks.
As you said, water resistance has absolutely _nothing_ to do with a removeable back. My old waterproof phone had a little rubber gasket around the edge of the back cover with the cover held in place by a couple screws (as opposed to a back you can pop off with your fingernails). Waterproofing a battery cover is insanely easy.
Aside from serviceability, I like removable batteries because you can keep a spare charged and ready. That said, with advent of USB battery banks, that's not really necessary anymore.
Sounds much better than the S5, because that pop-off cover wasn't a good implementation.
I remember having a waterproof phone of the "toughphone""-type... it had a solid backplate, where you needed a small flathead screwdriver to unscrew 4 screws to open it up in the back... worked very well, and we are not just talking waterproof but also toughphone quality... so I agree, it IS very possible.
id much rather have a sealed phone that's serviceable to the masses. I have no issues replacing batteries in modern smart phones but ive always been one to take things apart. The best of both worlds would be an iPhone/Android style device with common fasteners to take the backplate off with a DECENT gasket(not the S5 gasket that's for sure) that the fasteners could actually clamp down on and guarantee it wont leak at all and that it stays at least IP8 compliant. The front glass can stay permanently sealed.
All "waterproof" removable backplate phones i owned were like an IP5 and the ones that were rated higher always wound up leaking eventually.. since the advent of sealed phones i never had an issue with it and i simply turn it in every few years anyway so why even replace the battery? As you said, with chargers and battery banks everywhere its almost impossible these days to go dead unless you try too.
"Aside from serviceability, I like removable batteries because you can keep a spare charged and ready. That said, with advent of USB battery banks, that's not really necessary anymore."
I'd like to disagree on that one. Replacing a battery in a phone with a user-replaceable battery takes about a minute or less once you get used to it and your phone's charge level goes from whatever low value to 100% (if you keep your spare batteries charged ofc). Do you know a USB battery bank that can charge a phone from 0% to 100% in a minute?
Not really even feasible, since - let's assume a 3000 mAh Li-Ion battery in that phone - to charge it in a minute, you'd need around 180 A charging current to the battery (let's assume ~4.5V charging voltage, giving us 810W of charging power). Most current phone batteries would just outright fry and explode if such current was applied to them... Also, the charging cable would be an issue, since modern dedicated USB-C PD charging cables can only carry up to 100W only (5A @ 20V)...
Of course, a USB power/battery bank has the advantage of being more universal and usually has the ability to check the charge level, but replaceable batteries still have some key advantages outlined above.
@@RandoWisLuL they key words you said there was "DECENT gasket"... the phone I was talking about (not a smart phone, but could easily be made for a smart-phone), was IP 67, 68 or something along those lines.
The problem is that too many companies makes expensive looking cheap sh*t, with planned break-down, so that they can keep selling stuff to consumers...
And the real problem is that we ALLOW this behaviour, even though it is bad for consumers AND bad for the environment.
Making me feel old, I never thought that there are people who never seen a smartphone with a removable battery. The only justification for an unremovable battery I can think of would be for the "thinness factor "all phones seem to need now, but you would also need a thin back / cover which likely wouldn't work well. Thanks for saying what most of us are thinking!
Replacable battery on iPhone would be HUGE!
Let's freaking go EU. Now do physical toggles for the camera, microphone, and all the radios. Privacy is security.
Not sure if the left-fascist EU leaders would go as far as actually caring about your privacy.
The EU absolutely doesn't care about your privacy.
These news are actually healthy for my sanity.
I was feeling dread over the clear corporate-cyberpunk dystopia direction we were heading towards (and not the cool neon kind).
Other countries have always mindlessly adapted to the lobbyist corruption originating in the US.
The EU putting their foot down means that we the consumer are not alone against these scheming monolithic companies.
This is fascism/socialism. It creates incentives for lobbying and cronyism.
Do you think that FB CEO Zuky was worried about being regulated in the EU? He was DELIGHTED!
Regulating FB was the best gift for his company as it created a huge business moat that not many can afford to overcome.
Same with this BS! Imagine having a company that had designed a phone that had a non removable solid state battery which would give that product a huge competitive advantage and now these professional parasites (politicians) are essentially wiping off all your R&D money, your potential patent, everything! You people don't understand that politicians are creating problems that will then advertise their solutions for!
They are distorting the market which is what fascism and socialism is about. Not capitalism! Get your heads out of your behinds and look what's happening!
I can only hope that Canada, New Zealand, Mexico will all adopt similar laws which might even force the US to get in line and keep pushing RTR laws forward.
@@sjsomething4936 Great thinking! Coerce companies to abandon their individual R&D, the options they were planning to bring to the market, just because a bunch of idiots “like” this particular design! Great fucking thinking!
Better chrome up, choom.
I wouldn't be able to talk about this in the same calm manner the Louis does. People actively simping for stuff that objectively makes our lives worse make my blood boil.
I remember as a teen, I took apart my Nokia phones. Replaced front and back covers, button covers, put in a light up battery and it was all super easy. Those phones were crazy durable too.
Nokia phones are remembered as ultra durable, and compared to current phones they are, but at the time Siemens phones were on a completely different level in that regard, made Nokia look fragile in comparison.
I had a Siemens M55, and that thing could be thrown around like crazy.
Also one of the accessories you could order for it was an air matress, i had it, and it was really good as well, more stable and lower drag than the usual air matresses shops near lakes would sell.
Who needs external phone covers when you can literally replace and personalise the actual phone cover.
They are durable yes, but fundamentally a different device. Touchscreen requires oleophobic coating to swipe well, it can be reapplied but options of reapplying are very limited because people are swines and don’t care. Also batteries and water resistance. Nokias die under water.
Nokias are still being sold.
I bought am X100 on Ebay brand new at $180 with excellent expects.
There is no way in hell I'm paying over $1000 dollars from a bricked phone, or a garbage spect phone on the budget side.
Also, I bought the Nokia as a replacement for a Redmi with superior expects that I ordered from China as unlocked... When I received it, everything was working. But I guess American phone companies selling garbage phones bricked the satellite signals to access the internet.
The phone could only make calls, and text. All else was bricked.
I just saw someone claim glued phones are the easiest to repair lmao
We want removable batteries in laptops and phones. We also want companies to stop soldering RAM and SSDs to the motherboard.
Soldered ssd for me make no sense, but altought I don't like anything soldered, ram can probably make sense for speed, but probably only in high end.
@@jjmaia Not for any system RAM, no. HBM & GDDR yes, but that's not system RAM
Lets hope, they will not fuck this up.
Next they should mandate SD card slots on all phones and Tablets.
This law must include Laptops too, not only smartphones, because for me personally it is a one of the deciding factors when buying a laptop. I was taught and I said to everyone else to remove battery immediately if you spilled water on the laptop or dropped your phone into the water. Liquid damage occurs due to shorted lines through water or because of degradation and destruction of the wires and traces, all of this can occur due to present power on your board and this power will be there always while battery is connected. If you can remove battery quickly - chances that your device will die from liquid is exponentially smaller.
that is the one aspect of the Thinkpad W series i miss, battery could be just pulled out.
I still like the P series, and am glad it has repair manuals online, but in that one regard it"s worse
When I bought my laptop a year ago, I had two requirements; removable battery and no touch screen. I had so many people who thought I was nuts and being "regressive".
@@tegandetermann3299 totally agree with you, mate. I'm happy that I have the privilege of not having to buy a laptop in 2023 due to the nonsense with batteries.
If you remove battery, nobody tracks you unless there’s hidden battery or device is on power.
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Touch screens on laptops are stupid. They're not comfortable to use.
And the flip over "convertible" laptops that turn into tablets are mostly bad at both jobs.
at this point the EU is one of our only hopes at sensible tech legislation
Sadly they're also doing deals with Pfizer and pushing for the whole Marxofascist Klaus Schwab bullshit.
In regard to tech alone.
That's a pretty depressing thought. :/
As a EU citizen, I assure you, the EU is full of crap.
For any little thing they do (seemingly) right, they screw a hundred... on purpose.
And not in tech alone. Americans live in corportocracy and they even celebrate it.
I remember taking the battery out of the S5 and man do i miss the freedoms we use to have
This is a step in the right direction
Since you mentioned the S5, I had mine for 9 years and I never had to replace its battery. When I thought it was time for a new phone, I bought a used S5. These things were built to last and it's definitely something these companies are capable of executing. I'm all for this EU mandate, and I would've liked to see a mandate for making batteries that last 10 years minimum with free spares if they break down any earlier.
I say this as an engineer, because seeing companies de-grade their technology just for market gains makes my blood boil. We should always be building on the latest achievements and pushing forward.
EDIT: My 10 year battery guarantee demand is arbitrary and not to be taken seriously.
EDIT 2: For clarification, those are the only phones I've had since 2014 (and also the only phones I've ever owned).
On my old one, yes the battery life did drop by roughly 30% but it still lasted enough for what I needed. I'm not a social media type person, I used it for calls, texts, and need-only browser surfing. It's still perfectly running okay, I just decided to retire it out of precaution. It would've broken down in the future anyway (right?).
I've also dropped it hundreds of times in its lifespan, never broken the screen once and I don't use any case or a screen protector.
I don't have storage issues with the 12GB usable space because I don't store anything permanently on my phone. I use my laptop for long term storage. I don't have anything sizable to keep on my phone, just text data and some photos and videos here and there.
As for how it still runs smoothly and installs apps normally, I've been using for 4 years now LineageOS, a custom android OS that allows you to install an equivalent of newer android versions.
This implies that you had a S5 since release and sometime this year you replaced for a supposedly “used S5”, just like yours but with less use. Ok.
Oh I just read your user name, nvmnd❤
@@DanielWon This is not an implication its exactly what they said. Whats so hard to believe?
I gave my Samsung S5 to my Dad he used it for years after me. He died two years ago (2021) but it's still going with its original battery. Sure sure it's lost some capacity but it's fine for daily use.
You kidding my s5 battery bloated. I replaced it and the replacement bloated a year later. The second replacement? Bloated also.
One of the points missing is that the Samsung Galaxy S5 was designed to be opened with a fingernail and closed back by a consumer an retain its level of being waterproof. If one opens a glued together phone, one needs special adhesives and techniques to reseal the phone.
Most of the times it's not sealed properly
Not only do you need a heating plate to melt the glue, you also need precision tweezers to unplug all the flex ribbon connectors etc. because the f*ing batteries these days are built in a way, you'll need to disassemble half of the phone to get it out.
Nostalgia i got it it Babyblue with a Nice Texture.
I loved to open it to RELOAD the Battery haha
Even from factory, the adhesive ends up failing sometimes. My screen is slowly peeling away from the frame!
@@khalidacosta7133 my screen started to fall off after i changed the battery and when it fell OLED pixels started dying. My friend had his screen also separated but he went to service and they reattached it. Phone is Redmi K20/Mi 9T.
Phones should also have microSD card slots.
I remember having extra batters that I would carry around them !
Exactly. When something becomes such an integral part of the average person's every day life, the whole "let the market decide" position no longer applies, and regulations need to be put into place. This is exactly what regulations are good for, when things are integral parts of our life that nearly everyone depends on. This is why utility companies, airlines, food/drugs, etc are all regulated. Good on the EU for doing this.
I never thought about it but yeah. In the grand scheme of human society, smart phones have become frighteningly integral to any wheels that need turning.
At a certain point, smartphones have become as a necessary resource as perhaps water. Not even in a "everyone's always on their damned phones" kinda way but almost in a New World Order kinda way. Businesses assume everyone has a smartphone, I think the even IRS has an app that lets you pay your taxes and stuff.
Smartphones have become the new ID Card in terms of necessity.
"Let the market decide" would be fine in this case if everyone didn't have it in their heads that IP laws, which essentially eliminate market competition by degree depending on the arbitrary and often faulty parameters showing that it is based on nonsense and nothing concrete, are a good thing without serious downsides. This is a fix for a symptom not a cause and a further step in the direction of excessive governmental regulatory micro management rather than freedom.
The free market can only decide when it is actually free, when a cartel runs a sector of business, it's hard to really call it as such.
Going against planned obsolescence is one of the most impactful things society can do if it is truly concerned about the environment. It keeps less junk out of landfills that wouldn’t be there if it were easily repairable…plus it makes for happier consumers. I hate throw away culture. I’m all about getting the most out of products. I’d like to see various repair industries make a comeback.
Now if only we could apply the same for houses and land, that would be great 😕
I just miss being able to turn my phone off and know that it's actually OFF. Hopefully this spreads to the US market and they don't just make different devices for EU
There won't be different US and EU models, it's too much extra cost.
Removable batteries are also invaluable for people who like to root their devices. Often times if you mess up, you need to fully shut down the device which in the olden days would be done by removing the battery. Holding down the power button doesn't always work in these cases so you literally have to wait for the battery to die.
@@russianspy1234 Not about rooting, but when my last phone broke, the touch screen and power buttons didn't work properly, so I couldn't power it off. Apparently the alarms still worked fine, but I couldn't turn them off. Had to wait 2 days for my alarm to stop going off every 5 minutes because I couldn't remove the battery
Or even give it a hard reset because it locked up for some reason; popping the battery out and waiting a minute before putting it back is the analog of "crap, gotta pull the power cord" on the computer
Actually off? I mean I don't see Androids really being on in any way after you turn them off. It's only iPhones that stay on all the time with the find stuff and connected
America needs to follow suit and they should have never been allowed in the first place.
There are several smartphones with user-removable batteries. Most of them are intended for industrial users. For example, I own a Samsung Galaxy XCover 6 Pro (I previously had the 5 Pro and in January 2024 the 7 Pro was introduced). They also have headphone jacks. All three are IP68 rated. I carry a charged spare battery in my pocket and can swap batteries in about 15 seconds. No more need to carry battery banks.
The nine votes against mostly wanted stronger regulation when it comes to sustainability. Other concerns they brought up was the rarity of the materials and the reliance on china and other non-eu countries. One of them also brought up the unresolved issue of the disposal/recycling of ev batteries. Overall to me this seems like they voted no to show their discontent because they knew it was going to voted in anyways, so they weren't putting anything at risk.
So they voted against because it wasn't enough for them?
Goes to show that zero, not one of them, actually understand battery tech.
Edit: I mean those who voted for this stupid legislation, too. They're all clueless.
@@HappyBeezerStudios which is how a legislator ought to vote, IMO. there's nothing more permanent than a "temporary solution", it's important to make sure things are done right the first time.
@@tissuepaper9962 Refinement can happen.
@@tachobrenner the EU waited decades before the UK refined the Union and go be miserable on its own, so no, better do it right on the first try, cause refining might take too long
It would be funny if smuggling iphone with removable battery from Europe is a thing after this.
We only have the illusion of choice.
Great ruling by the EU.
Honestly if removable batteries does mean that devices will lose some “sleekness,” I’m more than happy with it. I’m tired of unibody and “sleek” devices that are near impossible to service in any way. They feel inherently temporary and consumable.
but it just doesn't mean that at all 🤣 there have been removable batteries in phones the same form factor as a pixel with the same battery capacity. Just.... 😩 Just no...
@@knifeyonline ??? I’m aware. My comment says “if” at the beginning. I’m saying that if anti-repair propaganda IS true, I still don’t care, and value repair over sleek design.
I have seen those "sleek" batteries as early as 2005, in one of those portable CD players so no, despite what some shills here want you to believe, the two are not mutually exclusive.
@@rps215 yup. I’m aware. My comment is saying even *if* those shills are correct, I still don’t care. Function over form.
I bought an old school Nokia. I don't trust the new phones. Too much radiation as well.