Amazon accuses customer of racism & shuts down their smart home - enough cloud junk
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Why use all the foul language!? 🙄
This is going to be the best thing that ever happened to you. Now, sue Amazon for $1,000,000,000. That's right. One billion dollars. Do it for yourself, and for all of us who have been screwed by the Amazholes. Thank you.
I am retrograding. Only pre-2000s tech.
@@donreed Amazon is an overgrown evil giant with foreigners owning Americans over the phone. Boy do they enjoy buying counterfeit goods and selling them to us too.
thank god i don't need amason for anything any after remove my cards they still charged me for prime and have been charging i removed my cards again but they will most likely still charge them for a service i don't use
but thats one thing to hear how petty they are glad i never used them
You should also realize that even if the accusation was true, this is no justification to hijack the guy's house
Right, maybe suspend delivery service, but not the whole account. I don't think the word of one person warrants even that. Now if 3 drivers all said the same then maybe.
@@billyfowler9423 No need to temper it. The solution can be that the company does nothing at all. It's not up to them to try and shape behaviour
They do it cuz they can and most likely nothing bad will happen, i bet the guy is still usin his smart home devices 😂
@@soliniv1411 Or switched to another smart home ecosystem altogether.
@@markarca6360 unfortunately the guy sounds like an Amazon bootlicker, i doubt he'll switch. He'll forget about it in a month and praise Amazon.
Even if someone is racist. Companies don't have the right to shut down their property
Exactly. I don't want to be around racist people, but your property or necessities should not be shut off because of your worldview. What's next? You register to vote for the wrong party, and Amazon "protests" against you?
Exactly.
Correct. It's my some admenenet right to be racist, it's a free country still.
Living in America tends to make one racist - that’s why they have to push *the message* so hard.
they do have that right, we've let them get these rights with no pushback.
Ive been in IT for 20 years, no way in hell im having cloud based devices in my home. My phone tracking me and listening is enough.
If Linux phones end up taking off, hopefully that last part won't happen.
same, why willingfully put listening/recording devices owned by a company to your own house, that's maximum stupid
@genericcatname9159 the last part is happening, I've had multiple occurrences while talking about something specific with someone in the room that's "off the wall" so to speak, that I have never searched digitally and then magically a ad shows up. I've confirmed others have had this happen also.
@@ThreeTreeDog I know that the last part was likely happening. I was hoping Linux phones take off specifically so there is an alternative that doesn't do this spying.
from an engineering standpoint your comment is SAGACIOUS!!!
Last I checked, Amazon treats it's employees worse than the doorbell Hahahahaha
They should be sued for this and pushed for some form of charges
Getting your home cancelled for possibly racist doorbell is the most current year thing i've heard.
Time to go back into simple 90s style HOUSE which doesn't have any kind of "smart home" devices and we're free from those stupid, messed up things
That's nothing new, you can even get banned from services just for living in the wrong place.
This story about that guy banned from XBox Live is sooooo memorable - he had to prove to Microsoft he's really living in a place called Fucktown, Ohio or something 😂
@@sihamhamda47 Wait until you are required to have a smart meter and they can decide you've used enough A/C this month...
@@KirkFickert In the future, everyone will have an electric car in their drive way and a heat pump in their house and then they'll get to freeze and walk to work.
"possibly racist doorbell" ... Coming in 2024 from the Daily Wire Digital Shop.
My Amazon “community privileges” got suspended for “racism” after I correctly told a Chinese air filter company that their product was garbage. They false-flagged my review for racism. My review was not racist in any way. Suddenly, twenty years of my Amazon reviews (including long essays on academic books) got deleted 😳
That's absolutely wild, dude
This is both horrifying and surreal.
From Chocolate Rain to obvious racism. Oh how the mighty fall…..
Jk
They canceled the amazing man who lip synced to chocolate rain?! How dare they! And I know that sounds sarcastic but I'm not being sarcastic.
Don't let up, when someone calls chocolate rain racist. 😂 its inevitable.
Yea, I used to work in construction and one time my boss accused me of stealing something stupid like a box of screws and some caulking because he underestimated how much would be needed for a project and believed the reason we ran out was because I had taken them. No evidence what-so-ever. Turned out the rest of the materials were sitting in the trunk of another guys vehicle. He didn't steal anything, that's just where it was being stored. I tried to have a heartfelt talk with him afterward because I didn't want there to be animosity between us. He wouldn't even discuss the situation and was too spineless to apologize. Instead he tried to pretend like everything was cool and the whole accusing me of a crime was no big deal. I quit working for that moron a week later.
Good on you. Personal integrity is apparently extinct and old fashioned now. You make a mistake and accuse someone of something, you apologize, simple as that
I fell into the tech trap a few years ago and thought it was so cool to have Alexa running things in the house. Alexa progressively became more intrusive, responding to conversations in the house more and more frequently. After doing some research I realized it was listening all the time , not just when I said “Hey Alexa”. Got rid of everything.
It _has_ to "always listen" anyway, otherwise it wouldn't hear when you say "Hey Alexa". And even if it didn't send your conversations to Amazon, the feds, etc. (funny idea, I know), people could still find exploits or Amazon could just send out an update to then spy on you.
Apparently someone didn't know there is a literal bottom to mute the device... it only records whenever it thinks you said Alexa. You people don't seem to understand that it is impossible to record everything as it is extremely expensive. Btw, your phone has the same issue, you dummy.. BUT it depends on which apps you have installed that will wait for specific words to record. This is the reason why I prefer Android, so I can block rhe microphone permissions in every app
@@Mariet31 It's expensive to record everything, but it's not expensive to record the important bits. It'll be cheap If it's locally stored on the device in primary storage (RAM) for local processing, where it can filter out what it thinks is important and can then be sent to the actual cloud for real data analysis and further processing.
@@Mariet31 it is absolutely possible to record everything. A modern codec like Opus will give you decent wide-band recording at 64kbps, which is 700MB/day, or 252GB/year. If you only want human voice and don't mind some quality degradation, dedicated codecs will do the trick at a quarter or even an eigth.
You probably don't want to *store* everything long term (you'd want to filter, process, and classify it quickly, storing infinite amounts of data you don't do anything with is a waste of money) but even that is not completely out of reach for state-level actors: at 64kbps you would need about 100EB to store the recording of every *individual* in the US 24h/day, 365 days/year. 100EB is about the estimates I've seen for Amazon's total storage capacity. More realistically you'd probably start on a household basis (131 million), and only a fraction of those would even be of interest.
Yeah, of course it was listening to everything. If it wasn't, then how would it know if you said "Hey Alexa." or not? I'm sorry if that comes out as insensitive but I don't know how else to put it.
The saddest part of this story isn't what happened. It's that the poor sap is only just "strongly considering" not doing business with Amazon any longer.
Well, to be fair, he's the same kind of dunce that would live in a smart home
@No Thanks only canceling? I would sue them for millions of emotional damages and wrongful termination. Even if they said it was in the eula I would make a huge stink just to get that person fired
You can't fix stupid.
Nah it's him saying he agrees with Amazon needing to do this, but only for "the real racists."
@@snex000 Right? Oldest tale of all. If amazon defines who are the real racists between their customer base, the guy is just enabling amazon to do it again with other people who are not in fact "real racists".
I communicate solely by racial slurs in my house, best call Whirlpool and tell them to disable my dishwasher.
My dishwasher gets called a bigger every fuckin day
thars a prob with white appliances /s lol..
unfathomably based
This reminded me that the local old-skool appliance repair and sales company told me once that Whirlpool (and Roper, a brand they've owned since 1989) is some of the most reliable stuff you can get today. They also said "don't ever buy LG or Samsung appliances." The reviews I've seen bear that out. I have a 12-year-old Roper washer/dryer set and it's still cranking great.
id be okay with that
You shouldn't be giving that much data to a company in the first place. Google, TikTok, Microsoft, Amazon, Facebook/Meta... These companies are monetizing every single bit of data you give to them. Be offline as much as you can and cut out your connections to useless services. That's my honest advice.
Usless? Bro half the companies you listed are monolopies. Their use isn't why they are used. They are used because they stacked the market to make sure they are your only option.
People deserve the nightmare they walk into.
You don't get to both embrace your surveillance state and not be a victim of it.
Huh? The only surveillance by the victim was of his front porch, and he was trying to use video from it to prove his innocence.
@@rosiefay7283He purchases all this smart device shit and off surprised when Amazon takes control. It's one thing to buy a car or a tv without doing due diligence, another to actively pursue these things like it's a hobby. People who consume this shit are bizarre
Let's take it a step further. Let's assume he IS a racist (which, amazon clearly did), he wasn't, but let's say he was. How does that give them any right to shut down your home? ABSOLUTE insanity.
You really want to piss them off, tell them racism is protected by the First Amendment. So is hate speech, and any other idiotic term they want to make up. We are not Europe, we have Free speech. Corporations that do this should be boycotted into oblivion. It is sad our government which was supposed to protect individuals from the evil of corporations instead protects the corporations evil.
Leftist will argue that yes. He deserves it. We should make society as uncomfortable for Racist to live.
This is the Problem with the Liberal mind. It does not operate under normal conventions.
Like it or not, it's freedom of speech. Amazon should be getting dinged for both theft and a 1A infringement, even if he didn't say what they claimed to censor him for. Hundreds of millions in fines.
@@elimgarak1127 That's not how freedom of speech works buddy. The 1st amendment only protects you from the government. People can't be arrested for just saying things. But "freedom of speech" does Not mean you can just say whatever you want and are protected from any consequences. Especially when you're buying products that require you to agree to a terms of service and things like that. You violate the terms and the company is within their right to respond accordingly to said laid out terms.
It's not insane at all. Customers agree to a terms of service for the different services that companies provide. They retain their rights over the things they provide people and if customers violate the terms of service a company is 100% within their right to terminate service. The only thing that's insane is how people just blindly click agree and then are confused when something like this happens. If the truck driver lied that's a whole different issue but at the end of the day he is bound to the TOS if he wants access to Amazons services(servers).
A wise man once said..
"There are no such thing as a cloud. Only someone else's computer"
All the pros and cons of "the cloud" can be concisely conveyed by swapping "cloud" for "someone else's computer".
it's the classic "we can hold your things for you better than you ever could" scheme. See: banking & vaulting. Hold my syphilis. :D
It's too bad that non-enterprise NAS systems aren't more popular or convenient. A one-time purchase of, say, 4TB of storage connected to the internet through your own local IP, rather than through a major traffic cloud service run by some for-profit organization who will never have your own best interests in mind. Would also probably be safer vs hack attempts not because you'd have the enterprise grade anti-hack systems in place, but rather because you wouldn't be an enticing target to begin with. Big corpo cloud services get hacked because the payoff is so big, so much data on so many people, all at once - instead of manually going through 10000s of individual IPs.
Too bad setup and maintaining NAS puts off many people who know what a NAS is, and most people don't even know what it is or how it can be used.
A couple 100 bucks should be more than enough for a 4TB NAS that wouldn't have to take more space than a wifi router.
Did big homie ever make that video about interfaces?
@@Real_MisterSiris NAS an external hard drive or program to install on your PC as a substitute for a cloud? Never heard of it like you say, but I am interested in knowing more! My PC always asks me if I want to put all my back up data on the cloud, I always say no thanks!
You have absolute balls taking on these corporations. I seriously look up to you man
The amazing part of this story is that Amazon gave out a phone number that went to a real person and actually answered it! Astonishing. It took me a week of hard work to get to that stage when the Amazon driver stole my delivery. Had I been able to I would have said a few things highly offensive to the driver but I could only watch on CCTV.
In India we receive OTP from Amazon during delivery after giving OTP to delivery person delivery will get complete. No OTP no delivery
"Stop giving money to companies that hate you" never sounded so true.
Little sheep that can't think for themselves will keep on consuming while proclaiming capitalism is bad.
I'd be surprised if those same sheep know how to tie their shoelaces without instructions.
thinking people hate for no reason at all sounds like paranoia
@@JBFranny companies aren't people, that's where you made a mistake.
@@JBFranny - so? Paranoia developed in us because it is rational to fear the mundane. If we've allowed the mundane to prey on us as we have, paranoia is going to be our natural response.
Companies don't love or hate you. They just want your money. Don't be a fool.
If a company is able to disable a device that you own they should legally be required to give you a full refund. Amazon should be forced to advertise their devices as rentals.
You'll own nothing and be happy
@@gameguy8101
You're half right.
@@hhiippiittyy It's the left half.
Nah, the left half can't be right...
@@artro398 They meant that the left half of the sentence (you'll own nothing) is correct. The right half of the sentence (and you'll be happy) is obviously a lie.
Everyone is being slowly and steadily surrounded by the enemy and no one is seeing how irreversibly dangerous this is becoming.
I wasn't even considering corporate abuse in my stance to avoid smart home stuff. I'm thinking about just malicious bad actors who hack their way in and target your stuff. But this is a good reason, too.
A decade ago we joked about this happening because it sounded absurd.
Today it actually happened and it didn't even convince him to cancel the service.
It feels like I'm taking crazy pills.
@keine ahnung did they are "tin foil hats" if they're actually right?
yup 5 minutes after i found out the reason it was shut down i would have pulled all of it out and binned it
Look up Carcinisation.
There's a corollary where, eventually, everyone turns into Dale Gribble.
They ARE all taking crazy pills
@Jonny Croxville but over time it come to you that idea if you are really surrounded by insanity or you are insane.
Having literally parts of you house stop working because a megacorp decides you are no longer worthy is insane.
Not 'insane' - just very badly thought out.
George Orwell wrote a warning about a future government having this level of control over people by force and torture. This guy volunteered his subversion for a bunch of $2 gizzmo's made in China that ran his house. It's actually hilarious.
and they guy is not even suing? LOL 🙄 he just like this kind of bad customer service
Aren't you against racism? Isn't it worthwhile for governments and their hired corporate thugs to do everything within their power to stamp it out? Isn't the goal important enough that it's acceptable if a few innocent victims get crushed in the process?
This is why you don't give them control to your house, they are trying to normalize this.
@@Pteromandias To the radical Left, "racism" is worse than pederasty.
Mr. Rossmann, you are an incredible person and I'm so glad you're out there fighting the good fight and helping/education the population
I Boycotted Amazon long ago due to their poor treatment of their employees (me included) They treated me worse once they learned I had Autism. I refuse to use their service, and now that I have a family, my whole family does not use Amazon to purchase anything or use their products.
I don’t know what’s worse, how dystopian our society is becoming or how most people seem ok with it
One thing the Plague taught me is just how many people would gleefully turn in Anne Frank. I trust nobody.
@@davidcooke8005 80% of the sick, scared people out there would have sent YOU AND ME to a literal concentration camp if some authority told them to. Everyone is dangerous at this point. Everyone. They truly showed it.
That's how dystopia take place.
@@davidcooke8005 ...what?
This is what happens when leftism goes completely unchecked. Things will never get better
Anyone else notice the customer was only mad because the report was false and not because Amazon has the power to steal your property with the click of a button.
Edit: this is false and he has clarified his position
Yup.
edit: I have misread the articles author's stance to some degree so this comment is inaccurate but I'm leaving it up so people can still follow the flow of the conversation:
was going to comment the same. Hard to feel sympathy when he'd likely be fine with it happening to someone he perceives as "racist" based on his comment about "being fine with amazon defending their drivers".
No one can con the consoomer, they con themselves
@@seanutarbuckle6457 Exactly! This person has no problem with it, they just don't want it to happen to them because they are so virtuous.
@@seanutarbuckle6457 You are just hearing what you want to hear, so you have something to be mad about.
He said purchasing ban / delivery restriction would be more appropriate.
You nailed it. And it's bad enough that all conversations that we foolishly believe are in private when EVERYONE seems to be carrying SMART PHONES that listen to and transmit all conversations/texts/emails/videos/pics/searches/etc. to storage sites which are monitored, filtered, and edited to suit a particular ideology. The same ideology that wants social scoring to be used to control our life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
Imagine if this guy, unable to use his Amazon security devices due to the lockout, opened the door to an intruder looking to do harm. Holy moly the shitstorm that would befall Amazon
I can't believe this guy isn't immediately cancelling all of his amazon services.
He deserves whatever amazon or anything give to him for tolerating any of this.
If you've invested hundreds, maybe even thousands into their hardware and your whole family has developed habits around it being functional, it's probably a lot more to it than one or two people simply tearing out an alexa or Ring.
@@marks47 Drug withdrawal is also unpleasant, but it's not a reason not to go through rehabilitation.
@@marks47 lol weak
He's an idiot like most consoomers
They have zero right to disable products you paid for even if you said the most vile thing.
Not if you concede that right to them in the terms of service.
While I hate sreggin as much as the next guy, Nero is right, the instant you click I accept you have no rights
But they do have the right. Because you don't own the product or especially the servers it connects to. This is what you signed up for.
@@snex000we do own the product, just not the software and servers its only allowed to link to.
@@ytsucksmnkyballz yeah, if they're allowed to shut you down after paying for the product, then it should be illegal to block the device from connecting do different services/servers (that actually exist!). Either one or the other.
But such stuff would never be law in the US. Maybe small chance in the EU.
Corporate overreach and a law suet should be in the courts . Even the government never needs this much power.
I think the bigger issue is that Amazon thinks they have the right to punish a customer regardless of ehat was said. Even if the doorbell spouted racist comments every time someone pressed it, Amazon still shouldnt have the right to act this way. They aren't law enforcement, having them act like it is beyond messed up.
The police also shouldn't have the right.
It shouldn’t even be a law to be enforced. Free speech lets us know what crazies to avoid.
It isn’t a law. You can say whatever you wish to whoever you wish. That’s between them and you.
They don't think they have the right they know they do because you signed a contract saying they do. Y'all do get you can actually sign away your rights right? And when you sign a TOS that's exactly what you're doing.
imagine if the people that made your electronic lock came to your house and hard locked it because they didnt like what you said to someone on another continent. that is nuts, absolutely nuts. you pay for the amazon crap, its yours, they cant change or take it away.
In case you saw "racism" and immediately thought "good on them", do consider the precedent this sets. If Amazon can disable your services for engaging in behavior society does not like... what happens if societal values change? What happens if they are wrong? Stand against tyranny.
Germany carried out a census in 1930.. It had a few new questions which had never been asked before.. Names of parents and grandparents.. and religion (if any).. And historians to this day wonder how the nazis got all that information about the general population.
Also who gets to decide what society doesnt like? But in this case, the victim didnt even do anything, he was ACCUSED of it. An accusation alone is enough to do this shit. It will only get worse from here if nothing is done about it. Shut down your electric car preventing you from going to work, getting fired from your job because a blue haired scrawny loser falsely accuses you of something.
it's only the elderly and the super brain dead that come to these conclusions.
And here I was worried about a future foreseen in dystopian novels & how we’ll all be forced to comply w/surveillance in our homes via the government boot but it wasn’t needed. Companies have bamboozled sheep into willingly bringing in the wolves “for their safety & security” by luring them w/fancy gizmos.
This is not tyranny, as this is not the government's doing.
This is corporatism.
The need for better customer service can never be fulfilled with companies whose priorities are so warped in favor of profit and greed.
Makes me glad I shut off any and all Alexa devices around me where I live. These things by their very function have to listen in on everything you do, and it's mind-boggling to me that people have some sort of mental cognitive dissonance about this.
Yes. Those are like the people who just live with smoke detector low battery beep going in the background. Everybody knows these devices are basically spying on them and still choose to do nothing about it.
When you give these companies the power to control your life, don't be surprised when they actually do.
And people are worried about tHe GoVErnENt controlling them. Corporations will be (are) worse.
Agreed!
@@Arhimith when enought sheeps join voluntary the rest will be forced
We were WAY PAST THAT over a year ago...
This is why I encourage families to have at least one programmer in the family (or someone smart). Its only going to get worse with more population. I think people are learning that the strong individual principles of the the original USA are being surmounted by herd thinkers (and even in programming industry (and that is why this happening)). Its sad to see idiots taking positions of power and positions of the lower ranks; they're everywhere causing more mediocrity. People prefer bad programmers and technicians because they think like them. They'll never see the big picture. They can never conceive it. Most people just want to blend in with their neighbors and co-workers of doing the bare minimum.
Then one day, you have a monopoly telling you want you can do, eat, cook, opening your door, who to talk to, who to procreate offspring, and taking a dump. But you're too stupid nor have to time to learn the process. Even the government is making anti-trust and monopolies legal now because the boomer's don't have a clue. The next step will be to remove public libraries.
How is this not a massive lawsuit? It's insanity to think this is acceptable in any way.
Likely... like many of us, he lacks the money to be able to take this to courts, which is exactly the way the rich have been working for decades.
Probably in the fine print with every purchase that you authorize Amazon to be sole arbiter, judge and jury.
Because the guy reporting this clearly said he *actually supports this kind of technofascism*. He said he was OK with this kind of thing, but it just needed to be more 'nuanced'. Like cattle lining up at the abattoir door.
@@wolphin732 Yeah, sure...Yet everything in his home is "smart".
@@paulw5039nope, I’m the guy. I don’t support that. Im sure in the fine print they say something like “we reserve the right to revoke access for any reason”. I’d likely lose a law suit on that basis. However, as a community we can push for corporations not to have this ability.
See my clarifying statement in the comment section or check the update in the article.
This is why I will never buy any Amazon “smart” products, especially cameras!
I'm a handicapped person, I'm on a wheelchair and having smart devices has made my life way easier. It breaks my heart thinking about the fact that a single company can disable my entire home just because they wanted to.
Well I understand but please have a fall back position if they suddenly stop working. I hope you have battery or generator backup electricity.
I requested copy of the audio/video recordings & emails prior to posting this and had a talk with Amazon's victim here. Unfortunately, this story is not made up.
Will there be a lawsuit?
Not too shocked at this. I hope they sue.
Amazon (and BigTech in general) are that drug dealing, abusive stalker "lover". Who gaslights and manipulates and drugs you into staying because "they are the only ones you need" and "got your best interests in mind".
Very little sympathy for someone who installs this junk
@@polarfamily6222 how are you not shocked at this?
As a millennial, I told my husband from the moment we started living together that I don’t ever want any of those google or amazon smart devices in the house. I feel vindicated.
Totally understand… horrible devices
Agree. Now where can I get a car without all the screens and crap?!
@@jilbertb
Buy it used.
@@jilbertb pre 2011
@@jilbertb on am used vintage car stand
If your fine with them doing it to someone else, you deserve it done to you. Rights are not supposed to be earned.
Be smart: NEVER use smarthome stuff!
Even if he were racist to the delivery guy what right do they have to disable his house appliances lmao
Those appliances belong to Amazon, not you. This is what you signed up for.
They *think* they have the right to do so. And oftentimes… that’s enough for them to enforce it.
Imagine if they managed to create a law that says that *even after purchase, the company who sold you something reserves all rights over this thing they “sold” you!* It would no longer be a case of “you’ll own nothing and be happy”, it’d be “you legally own nothing, deal with it, scrub”.
EDIT: A letter escaped. Reeled it in. Naming and shaming the letter: the “r” in “over”
Maybe dont buy amazon product jfc...
Do not blindly press "I accept"
These bozos seems to be unable to separate services (or that was too much effort), so instead of banning just the deliveries they've banned everyhitng.
Now imagine that person has a small business and is using AWS.
I’m just glad Amazon is letting us know sooner than later what their plans for our lives are so we can stop purchasing their products
Unfortunely, I suspect "voting with your" dollar, isn't going to be enough to get it done in Amazon's case
@@smirking8457 Use the Bud Light boycott model.
@@charliescourbys1340 Also known as the "Snowflake" Model.
@@charliescourbys1340 Anheuser Busch is going to be just fine. The people that control the Fed and Blackrock set the civilizational agenda, not consumers. The concept of “voting with your dollar” presupposes a lot about how things operate that just aren’t true.
The sooner people come to terms with the reality of this neo-Bolshevik system, the sooner we can actually start taking pragmatic steps to change things.
@@smirking8457 either way, Amazon is warning us to not buy or use their smart home products.
If I was the person in question, I’d be changing pretty quickly and also having a civil suit!!!
People used to call me crazy for blocking the webcam with tape and refusing any smart house crap
The fact that so many people fall for having what really amounts to having spy devices in their house and paying for the privilege never ceases to amaze me.
I call it voluntarily bugging your own home. I point it out to friends and family who have those devices and they just laugh, not because they don't believe me, but because they just don't care...
Pretty scary.
You have one in your hands right now. The next big war/takeover won’t happen by force, but by convenience.
yeah they install them inside their homes. when you press such individuals, they will act like its completely normal and logical. but they just don't get it, and a concerning number of people just don't get it. like the girlfriend who expects you to share your location at all times. it's f*cking insane...but they just don't get it. and what they don't get is LIFE. The essence of life itself. If you want to keep your sanity, you can't do these things to yourself. And you can justify it certainly you can, and yes maybe there was an instance where that technology actually really did make a difference and prove its worth. But the cost of this technology is what people don't grasp. You pay a price, and I am willing to forfeit any instances where that technology actually makes a difference in order to keep my sanity.
Well I'm on a desktop computer but don't have much in the line of so called smart stuff.
+ they buy the spy devices, install them and still do not own them.
It's "there is one born every minute" in English, iirc
So what could have happened if Amazon disabled a thermostat during a heatwave in an elderly person's home or the home of a new family with an infant or an otherwise fragile individual? All because someone got their feelings illegitimately hurt?
If they keep doing this then it will happen sooner or later.
They shouldn't have the power to begin with.
They already do this. Not Amazon in particular if I recall correctly. But these people signed up for a "smart" air conditioning thing and then couldn't control as it basically was controlled remotely. Where it then would shut off or turn on basically randomly.
Would this thermostat then have to be an amazon product or could it be anything as long as it connects to the internet? Does amazon even make thermostats? 😵💫
You'd adjust it manually? 🤷♂️
I've been on the phone for about 2 hours asking for an official response to this. So far I've been through 3 departments. I did manage to get the people I was speaking with to pull up your video and give it a watch themselves. Even the person I was talking to admitted they were concerned. The year is 2023 right now, but next year is 1984.
I hate that we use or have to use services that put us at the mercy of people or companies that can choose to ban you for any reason with no explanation.
Or with such weak explanations... i mean really, what slur would've been close to "Excuse me, can i help you?" (2:49) ?!? o.O
This is dystopian EVEN if it wasn't a misunderstanding. A company has no authority as thought police, and shouldn't be legally allowed to keep you from your purchased goods
i think it is just like software tos,u don't own the things you buy,which is bad for the consumer
In my country, the government is so heavily protective of the consumer that Netflix can't even properly introduce their new one account per household system, all they can really do is put up an annoying splash screen which you can easily click around. But, the USA doesn't have things like that, because they have voted in corporate shills for 50 years.
@@Somanybot He bought the product, I’m actually not sure amazon has the right to do anything besides disconnect it from their servers at that point (which would actually be a boon for the customer). Otherwise it’s false advertising, you didn’t buy a TOS, you bought a smart product or whatever (a doorbell for instance). Do these devices require to be connected to amazon to work or something? Disabling them completely was beyond what they should legally be able to do.
Isnt capitalism great?
Weird how nobody realizes that we cant be both a democracy and capitalist, because capitalism already has a built in ruling class. The merchants. The billionaires. Your vote does not matter. If it did, why didnt democrats have bernie instead of hillary in 2016? Why did trump "win" with 3 million less votes?
Billionaires buy the people that make the districts. They control the media. They control both the DNC and GOP. THEY control who wins and loses.
And the only way we will change that is to throw out political parties and vote based on what that person's stances are.
And if the person that gets the most votes doesnt win, then we start burning megastores down. Hit them where it hurts. In their wallets.
But you’ll still shop at Amazon. Don’t cap. You know you will.
He used a gamer word and his Amazon gulag system locked him out of basic home functions
Context?
@@soundspark joke, please don't lock me out of my home.
Shit, all those CoD etc players need to watch out!
Gamer word used: "Excuse me, can I help you?"
As someone who lives in Russia, I agree this is GULag.
Tell your story, vote with your feet, leave exit feedback, and never go back. This is the only way to effect change.
My friend got a Kindle, and I was so jealous. But I couldn't get past the fact that they can shut down the account at any time and all the books on it would've be gone. I finally got a device I can put pdf's only if I want instead. Never regretted it.
Imagine paying actual money to have your own privacy, security, safety and livelihood put into the hands of the enemy.
“Smart” isn’t.
Its long overdue to kick this crap out of the home.
All these so called devices that you put your faith in can be all used against you.
And I'm glad people have seen this for what it is.
Only the fool or the ignorant, give their children over to their enemy, to be taught by them. - Malcolm X
@@AmigaWolfhe was talking about white people, real nice you pos
The couldn’t pay me to have that trash in my house.
Imagine you have all "smart" door locks and they decide to lock you out of your own house.
They'll unlock it for the feddies come raiding time.
Lockpickinglawyer showed how any shmuck can just break in those.
Or lock you in - climate lockdown.
Eat zhe bugs.
Or inside it 🤣
And should they do it… my lawyers will be talking to their lawyers real damn quick.
Screw Amazon and screw the driver!
Amazon has always ruled with an ironed fist.
I remember when Amazon removed Orwell's _1984_ from Kindles overnight. They claimed copyright reasons, but of course for most people the real shock was discovering that they could just 'repossess' a book if they wanted to without your permission. People are very naïve about 'digital vulnerability'.
If it was copyright reasons, they would have kept it for the people who bought it. You don’t see CSGO removing skins from the player base. Even when found out that someone else created the skin that was submitted.
They memory-holed the memory hole... How ironic.
Wait they did? I bought that like a while ago 💀 yikes
Sounds legit
I really believe that because so many people have been told so constantly that everyone and everything is racist, they've started looking everywhere for anything that could be even misconstrued as racism. I've lived in the deep south my whole life and have only met 2 racists. It is a dying problem of older generations and it would die faster if left alone. Constantly pouring gas on every ember will only raise racial tensions, not lower them.
I love how they get locked out of their own smart house for a week, and they are only "reconsidering" their use of amazon products. LMAO they had a WEEK to think it over. Good Gravy
The average person is just like that. And they vote.
for real, what an utter muppet. And he sounds like he would be totally fine with this happening if he really Had said something "racist". His only issue was that he deemed himself innocent
im horrified can't believe it
Never underestimate the sheeple.
*Normalcy bias & "business-as-usual" are a big reason the con artists of society have an easier time than they'd otherwise would.*
I just wanted to say: Thank you for teaching people this stuff. Not everybody knows all the stuff that happens behind these devices. Thank you.
Guilty until proven otherwise. This is what's wrong with America.
Sue Amazon for millions, no settling out of court, and then send them an email if they know why they got sued and lost.
Don't sue Amazon, amazon has armies of lawyers on payroll that will put you into the ground, metaphorically speaking. Go after the driver individually for defamation. Make it loud and public, so that the driver's face and name gets plastered across the news. Stuff you paid for getting shut down creates actual damages as well that should be recoverable.
They have way too deep pockets for that. Long term Incarceration w no bail is the only way to get thru to them
@@remixedcat Maybe some day, some R u ss1an or Chin3s3 nuky delivery smashes their datacenters :-P.
@@remixedcat bold of you to assume the trillion dollar company is beholden to anyone outside of a 3 letter investment firm's program
They have to much money to really fall for that. they have better lawyers and more lawyers than you could dream of. they have as much chance of loosing anything short of mass lawsuits than you do of falling down a stormdrain and finding a fairy who makes you incredibly rich
And people wonder why I refuse to get even a basic “Alexa” device of any kind.
"people"
same, but I'd be lying if I didn't say that sometimes I still think we're already screwed just owning a cell phone 😥
Are you using a smartphone?
Literally no one uses Alexa
@@Macheako it can do everything alexa can do. if you have a smartphone you should get an alexa so it at least payed off :D
What the heck is going on with amazon, blocking people left right and centre
This is a stark reminder that ppl should NOT allow their home to be run and controlled by an outside source.
I had a disputed bill with Amazon and they did the same exact thing to me. I was hostage in my own home. A lawsuit in the making!
Interesting that Amazon acted so quickly to penalise a _paying customer_ for an employee-reported incident _without investigating anything._ Not exactly a smart business model... just another reason to avoid anyone having control of my home except me.
Yep. Speculating but there's probably some hidden context that would help make sense of it, something like maybe the Amazon driver made assumptions of the customer based on the home or vehicles, and so interpreted the doorbell audio the way he did due to those assumptions, then the exec had a certain set of beliefs that aligned with the drivers, both of which oppose what they perceived the customers beliefs to be, and that's all it took. It's all absurd but par for the course these days.
Everyone is terrified of what the blaxes might do when angry, so they overreact.
@@0ptimalif only valid sources would eradicate racism
No, no a DEI issue was overreacted on quickly and they can't possibly back peddle otherwise they will anger a small minority of people who and the executives will feel guilty because a small group of loud people will tell them they are bad people.
What's weird is...what is Amazon so afraid of that they instantly cancelled this guy's smart devices on an allegation that's weak at best. And how does that compare to the negative publicity that comes with cancel culture exactly because of shit like this...it's like they're so busy jerking off 13% of the population they forget than 80% don't give a fuck even if the guy was racist.
Hello everyone, I’m the customer in this scenario. I made a slight update to the post I made due to people thinking I’m okay with a “real racist” getting canceled like this. I’m 100% not. If you bought and paid for a device it’s yours and no one should be taking that away from you unless it’s clear you pose serious harm (like some kind of craigslist killer but for Amazon drivers haha).
I also am only pushing this as hard as I am because I DON’T want this happening to anyone else. I don’t think Amazon should have the ability to do this at all.
There’s a level of “corporate” speak in my article as I want it to be taken seriously by Amazon and not tossed out cause I expressed my true feelings.
appreciate that clarification and the effort you put in to publicize this.
Thanks for the clarification and the report.
"Pushing"? xD
You should cancel all amazon servicesand sue Amazon for inconvenience, damages and mental distress.
Also, "smart home"? LOL
Also also, "considering"? ROFL
Dude, it's not only that seems that you're OK with a real racist being treated this way or whatever other "reason" they consider that deserve that treatment, but that you are "kind of considering maybe not to keep making busines with Amazon" after experiencing what they are capable of doing.
If this is you, in what world would you still pay Amazon and not attempt sueing them?
Opens the door for criminals at Amazon. If they realize that their security has been compromised that is.
amazon, no, no thank you. nerts to you amazon.
It baffles me, that anybody would allow anybody and especially a multinational corporation that kind of power over their home! It baffles me even more, that it is legal..
You have a cell phone, you have internet. Multinational corporations already have power over you. You just don't know it becaue they have not exercised it yet. Wait until isps and cell providers start canceling people for wrong think.
I'm waiting for a FOSS smart speaker. Until then, I'm with Google; with as many devices as possible through HASS
Forget even that level of things. Anybody that knows anything about systems of any kind should know that the more complexity you introduce into a system the more likely for things to go wrong. I mean why would you want to turn your daily life into being a sys admin or something?
Going to be nice for the CCP when they takeover. And thanks to Biden it's all going to happen.
welcome to the United States.
Even if he was racist, they have no right to shut down his devices that were paid for. Heck even if he was the most heinous criminal of our age, he can be punished by law but they still shouldn't be allowed to shut down his devices.
Exactly, it shouldn't matter. But, as always, people make it about whether what he said was racist or not.
And then you have the libertarians coming out with their usual "muh private company" - "muh free market" - "muh terms of service" - "muh freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences" bullshit, when the argument should be about principles rather than laws or economics. Utterly useless.
It's like vigilante justice, and last I heard that isn't legal.
Actually they have every legal right to deny his devices access to their servers.
@@thewhitefalcon8539 The point is that they shouldn't have the legal rights to disable smart devices that a consumer purchased.
I'd like to add that just because there are no laws against this, doesn't mean that it is okay for them to do.
@@thewhitefalcon8539well yeah they do, but shouldn't
This is "you will own nothing and be happy". Including your own freewill.
This is a perfect answer to those that say, “Why are you against an additional 87,000 IRS agents if you haven’t done anything wrong?”
Could you imagine if a teller at your bank mistakenly thought you said something offensive, and suddenly your accounts are frozen, your car is repossessed, and your home foreclosed?
This is not a slippery slope. We are in freefall.
That already is happened in Canada with the truckers
Already happened in Canada
Or imagine owing a company 20$ so they call bailiffs and it goes to court and within 2 months they tell you to pay 500+$ within 2 days ''or else'' they'll start repoing ur stuff.
That's where i'm at right now basically.
Imagine being elderly and on a fixed income, and some Democrats want to steal your house. They increase your taxes and don't tell you, then seize the house once you're in arrears and sell it in a closed auction for peanuts. They tell the elderly person that if he doesn't make a fuss, they'll put him into Section 8 housing. How about that.
@@adrianzoltan6473 Imagine you walk in the middle of winter in to get your groceries, then once inside, you find empty shelves because some a-holes though it was a good idea to starve the population by blocking the flow of food coming through the border by blocking bridges just so they can throw a hissy fit. They didn't just "say something offensive", one organizer made threats upon the life of the PM, who was recently re-elected. In a country where the National Assembly was once shot up by a deranged individual. No sympathies for those guys. These people prevented ambulances from making it to hospitals.
Saddest part is that he agrees with amazon “it’s supposed to be for the real racists”. Actual clownery
pretty sure he is california
Oh stfu dude what is wrong with you
@@kermitahnenerbe3722 The personification of the entire state? Damn must be painful.
And then someone is decoding what is qnd is not "racist" or any other "ist"...
Amazon makes their drivers shit in a bag. Pretty sure they don’t care about protecting POC
The first time I heard about this I made sure my house has zero smart devices. I was first alarmed when I read Amazon sends Ring video to local law enforcement without permission from the camera owner. Therefore I do not have a camera system but so many neighbors do I feel secure.
The Delivery Driver should be 'Fired for Customer Harassment and Lying'... And Amazon Should Apologize!!!
Tech Enthusiast:
"My entire house is smart, I control it all through my phone!"
Tech Worker:
"The only piece of technology in my house is a printer. I keep a gun next to it so I can shoot it if it makes a noise I don't recognize."
Great video as always Louis
Don't keep your gun to close to the printer, you never know when it might go for it.
Everyone needs a gun, the AI take over will never give you notice. Go time is GO TIME.
The AI in your printer has decided it's you who needs replacement this time. Why did you arm it?
@@JimAllen-Persona if those things have mics, I'm very certain they're COPPA violations walking next to your kids. The amount of lawsuits I hear about Ring, Xbox, and other companies with devices near kids getting caught not deleting data is insane.
What do you do about the yellow 'tracking dots' printed on every page?
Watching my interest in consumer "technology" dwindle to near zero in real time has been fascinating. I'm about ready to go horse shopping.
Funny that the best way to get "dumb" tech is to import Chinesium made for China.
It's almost like this is a problem of Western business.
Same here.
Get you a Honda Civic made before 05. You can stock up on cheap parts and figure out some sort of fuel alternative and you got yourself an apocalypse ride.
A Civic is probably a bad choice for poorly maintained/no roads. CR-V is a better bet for that, but realistically no one is going to be driving anything for long post apocalypse.
@@CEOofWasrael Got a 4Runner, that's pretty damn anarchonsitic!
I would never live in an Amazon smart home. Sounds like a living nightmare.
Who makes them judge and jury? What credentials do they have?
Punitive damages is about the only way to make companies like this behave.
They probably head that off in their terms of service. They usually give themselves all sorts of rights and licenses they shouldn’t have in those things just to prevent most suits from ever getting past summary judgement.
@@LeeHawkinsPhoto Direct action based on unfounded allegations leading to Loss harm or injury. Contracts don't protect from criminal actions
@@THEEblindman amazon can stall the average person into bankruptcy because the legal system is broken
@@LeeHawkinsPhoto An important legal concept a lot more people need to learn is that a contract cannot be unreasonable. For example, if I slip into a contract that I have permission to punch you three times a day and you sign it, then I start punching you, you can take it to court and a judge may rule the contract invalid. A judge always has the ability to look at a contract and say "By the letter of the contract, yes, technically this is what was agreed to, but no reasonable person would expect or agree to these terms, therefor this contract is unconscionable."
Of course, a judge may also just uphold it blindly as well. So, its always better to avoid a bad contract in the first place than try to fight your way out of one later.
Too bad they can't be arrested.
companies need to get massive fines for behavior like this
Fined by who? You accept this behavior with the click wrap.
They’ll get massive fines if they _don’t_ engage in this kind of behavior. You don’t want racist companies helping racisty racists engage in their nasty horrible racism do you? Racism! 👻
They need to be shut down
No no! Let them reveal how invasive and controlling this technology is now. There is no need for any company to have that kind of access to equipment you own. That's the darkest of roads to follow. Awareness and SHARING the knowledge can crush the idea of such overreach as "normal".
It would have to be done by the same governments who built Scamazon and the others up.
That's why smart homes shouldn't be a thing.
This is a dystopian future. I saw this coming for years, even growing up in the early 2000s and everyone thought i was nuts. I was born in 93 and saw this crap coming.
Social score by mega corporations.
It started with credit scores.
Look where we are going..
It's almost like connecting literally everything in your house to the internet is a bad idea!
Clearly you’re just a nutjob conspiracy theorist, trust corpo, consume without thought!
Its fine if you made the infrastructure. I run a full home automation system, but I built it and wrote the code for it. I block individual devices from accessing the internet at my firewall and control it all via a server I completely control. Im currently adding AI functionality, but that also runs locally on an AI server.
@@philwithcheese I've been thinking of doing this. What kind of equipment do you use to run everything?
yeah who knew? lol
@@philwithcheeseWhat benefits do you get from that? Kind of setting yourself up to being a couch potato from the sounds of it haha jk jk that is how it would end for me.
This is why you don’t have a smart home
A sticky note with your passwords and your house key under a small stone is safer than anything you install these days.
Now imagine what happens when your gmail account gets the same treatment.. and you use it as an sso account for most of the sites you visit, including youtube, or to access your phone.
Already happened. ua-cam.com/video/CE0EB5bXj14/v-deo.html The man was accused of p d o p h i la because a Karen Google employee who disapproved of a mother breastfeeding thought that his photos showed a pattern of abusive child content. He was reported to the police, even after his account was looked through by a human to ensure that it was an emergency before reporting.
The man ended up being cleared of all charges. But either way. Imagine having to deal with the police looking into reports of you being a chld abu s er because you used gmail to answer a request from a doctor, got flagged, and reported to the police by someone who hates the concept of childbearing & family so much, they deem this abusive upon *MANUAL REVIEW.*
The cloud shit has just gone too far. The only person's computer I'm storing my shit on at this point is my own. and the switches to turn on lights in my house will be flip switches from now until the day I die.
Call me a luddite, I dare you! ;)
How do you even mitigate this? Running your own email server seems impractical because Google won't deliver your emails
Now imagine a disobedient A.I.....
I'm suing Google because something similar.
@@DominickPeluso hi, what did you do before you had email? Do it again. I force people to call me. Or mail. The email, online all the time is not needed.
I had a Smart Home saleskid show up one day. I told him I worked in IT and didn't want a Smart Home. He said "you work in IT? you should want a Smart Home." I told him, no, I work in IT and that is why I DONT want a Smart Home. Why would anyone want a system in their house that controls all of their equipment and listens to everything you say? That is insane. This is probably why they took 1984 off the reading list in schools.
not just listens, but watches and uses that to sell to advertisers and some government agencies.
Wouldn't have an Amazon smart home if it was them paying me!
Even if he made racist remarks, they should be able to lock his account and shut down his devices.
The worst part is how this guy's conclusion is "I hope Amazon can work on getting a better customer service so this doesn't happen again". Really? Not "maybe having a smart home that can be shut down remotely on a whim by a giant corporation is a bad idea"?
This is literally why my LED strips are only controlled by Bluetooth.
The guy works at Microsoft so he's all in for this stuff. Also if I had to guess he probably lives in a highly progessive city where people think giving up freedoms is a virtue.
So you are blaming the idea of a smart phone/camera rather than Amazon here? 😅 Backwards ass..
NOT ONLY A GIANT CORPORATION, WHAT HAPPENS WHEN GOVERNMENT LEARNS THAT IT CAN DO THE SAME!!!!!!
@Capohanf1 You really think that governments haven't thought about that yet?
"Seriously considering discontinuing"
The victim is insane. How are they so beaten down that there's any question over the obvious decision to quit those stupid products.
Cold Turkey ?
Sunk cost fallacy perhaps. They've already heavily invested in all this tech, and to abandon it would render it all worthless. That's great if they can afford to that, but some people are kind of locked in.
There is of course the point to be made that you shouldn't hand over that amount of control to a company that doesn't give a fuck about you. People are so lazy these days they won't even get up to turn off a light.
He actually commented here. He's using corporate speak because if he went "This is fucking bullshit" he wouldn't be taken seriously.
If they switch from Alexa to lets say googles voice assistant there's potentially a lot of hardware they'd have to pay for and then physically replace, depending on what their setup is
@@TheGozeraye Serves them right for handing complete control of their house to a corporation. There's a sucker born every minute
And this is why I will never have a smart home or any of these devices in my home.