What did the 'experts' think about the Seattle Seahawks in the 2024 NFL Draft?
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- Опубліковано 28 кві 2024
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As an expansion on this and the pick value based on the concensus board video here are some numbers using the Jimmy Johnson value chart:
Seahawks' actual draft capital: 1379
Players drafted board value: 1591.5
Capital utilization Percent: 115.4%
49ers actual draft capital: 1166.55
Players drafted board value: 801.4
Capital utilization Percent: 68.7%
Do with this information as you wish. It's just an interesting way to look at the data imo.
As a D1 niners hater, I approve of these statistics
the receiver they picked was a huge reach that’s probably why
Wonder how much the Murphy and Haynes picks affect this data
@@13ON3S answer:
Murphy: +150
Haynes: +75
@@joshn3579 correct:
Pearsall value= -170
chances are, no expert put in Leonard WIlliams or Sam Howell into that equation, for which we gave up picks for this year. Just me, I think they should be counted in with the draft picks.
The Seahawks could've gotten Leonard Williams anyway by signing him as a free agent after the season without giving up draft picks, so including free agents like him doesn't make sense at all.
Only if he was under contract for an additional year when we traded for him. The Seahawks got 8 games of Leo in exchange for a 2nd and a 5th. They then signed him to an expensive contract as a free agent, which again they could've done anyway without trading for him mid season. It's not like he gave them a 'hometown' discount or anything.
They thought our 2012 draft was bad, which was arguably one of the best drafts in NFL history
Which is why giving these draft classes a grade right after the fact is pointless. You have to wait 2 or 3 years to see how these players pan out. Any grade you give out now is speculation. It's just a guess.
Yeah that's what everyone points to but they said our drafts after that were bad, which they were, and they said our last 2 drafts were good, which they were, so honestly the analysts have been pretty accurate about our drafts for a decade now
That was more than a decade ago. Analytics are way better now.
@@AbbeyRoadkill1I think you can give a value and positional need grade, but some of these grades don’t make any sense based on those measures. They’re over factoring the importance of day three picks and the one guy thinking we needed to draft a QB is out of his mind. Why would we draft a QB that won’t make it on our roster? If they’re worth a pick, they won’t make it past the waiver to make it on our practice squad.
I still like 2010 better but 2012 was amazing. I said it was in the beginning but the mainstream media definitely were haters.
I actually agree with it generally. I’m more B- than any more than that.
Yeah, these things are fun to talk about, but really, we have no idea how good these players will be until they've been in the league a year or three
Yeah, that’s no fun….
They drafted arguably the best d-lineman and the best RG. I’ve always said that in the draft, your first two picks better turn into starters by year 2 and all the other rounds just hope you hit on players. Haynes and Murphy could be starting right away. Add in Leo Williams as our 2nd pick and you have three starters. You traded for Howell who is a solid backup qb, which we all know is vital. This is an A- to me.
Im totally in with this we are below. We made a trade and missed out on 3th ans 2nd round Talent in the 4th. Then we used both 4th rounder to reached by 1 to 2 rounds of value. We decided to trade instead to go with Gray or Johnson. Then we traded decided to pick a very developmental LB which we probably could get wayyyy later. After that passed on Stover one of the TE with high floor and high ceiling who is a good blocker as well as a solid Route runner and choose a pure blocking TE. Did a valuable CB pick and then picked another RG (as I see it) even it was good value we must think either him haynes or Bradford ar a solid option at LG. Then we got another CB with good value which is okay. Then used our last pick for a lottery ticket which isn't dramatic but with brade, Jacobs, Williams, mahagony etc on the board questionable.
So my grade is somewhere between C and B aswell. Now how it works out is to be determined but as for now we still have a Big question mark in the oline. And aslong as we aren't able to find a solid LG out of the three and maybe find a Space for our last pick a B- is generous.
But I have to say we did a better Job with UDFAs. Ceaser, Westbrook and Greenfield are very solid.
Our first two picks were perfect as I see it and those are the ones that matter. Any questionable pick was on day three and two of them (Knight and Barner) have mitigating factors. Macdonald knows LB’s and I trust his discretion on a LB pick and we still don’t know how to properly grade TE. I’d give a B minimum A- maximum. Some reaches on day three and no second round pick hold it back.
Knight led the country in solo tackles and Barner was the best blocking TE. I'll go with McDonalds discretion too..
That one guy who gave Falcons an A is either a time traveller or feeling very nervous right now.
Ever since 2011/2012 i find i like the draft more when the critics hate it. Lol
I actually loved our draft especially the first two picks
The Seahawks have a great record for finding gems in the later rounds. Our best draft ever was given terrible grades by the experts.
Once you adjust for the undeniable bias against the Seahawks, we received about a B+ so great job Brendon.
NY Post and Wash Post guys tend to give us a lower grade. I wonder if guys from east coast don't know as much about us and subconsciously give us lower grade.
@@MeneTekelUpharsin ... because our games come late after a long day of football most east coast people don't bother watching the west coast games. That's also why ESPN shows mostly early game highlights.
@@yeomanadventures1549 as a Seahawks fan in Baltimore, more like we just never have access to Seahawks games unless they’re on prime time 90% of the time🤧
@@joshuajohnsonii7532 .... I'm living in Niner county right now and they are all blacked out here. I can't even get the radio calls. So I pay to watch...
Interesting exercise, but like you said you never really know for a couple of years.
Pritchett has it down. Very few who can get their hands in like he does. Great technique.
He needs to cut down on the handy stuff downfield but year he can jump in and knock a ball out and has really good closing ability if he gets beat. Definitely a talent and a good pick.
Thing is, if I did a mock draft and ended up with this draft class, I wouldn’t be too excited and probably disappointed. But we’ll see of course.
Cade Stover, Jared Wiley, TJ Tampa, Sedrick Van Pran Granger, Anthony Gould, Tommy Eichenberg, Brennan Jackson, Jeremiah Trotter Jr, Mohamad Kamara, Caelen Carson, Jaylon Ford and Malik Washington are blue to red chip studs, and they passed on them to take a nobody in Barner??? I'm utterly confused about this pick. They could have gotten Barner as a UDFA camp guy. Also, I want everyone to remember that our 2nd round pick was Leo Williams, which was a home run imo.
I don’t think he woulda gone undrafted, 6th round at most
@@brycemcmillian1519 Pure blocking TEs with only 1 TD in college don't get drafted. And for the record, experts like Lance Zierlein from the NFL said Barner wasn't even that good as a blocking TE and offered nothing with his pass catching as far as RAC and YAC. With so many good TEs on the board going into the 7th round, this guy wasn't going to get drafted.
In other news, former Kraken head coach Dave Hakstol just got fired and they also cut ties to root sports and are available next season on prime and gonna be broadcasted through local stations.
Overall, I like the chart.
Some out there within fan base didn't like Seattle day 3, but there were plenty of teams (49ers, Raiders, Broncos) who blew their draft considering needs.
It was nice to see the cardinals blow all their draft capital. I know Marvin Harrison is very good but they had 7 picks in the top 100 and squandered it
After Broncos picked a QB too someone in the broadcast made a joke: 'To quote Rambo: They are all gone sir" that joke got me. Dark joke too. Would have loved a shot at Penix Jr but what can you do.
So long as either of those guards works out, and either of those two corners works out, and we get a pro bowl-like performance out of Murphy, I'd call the draft a huge win. We were thin after that #16 pick, I like the Uconn guard we drafted. Everything after that is just speculative and camp competition. Knight was the one headscratcher where you might grade them a B instead of B+, but the important thing is they got a guy they like who can play the style MM uses his linebackers in coverage.
Well to me the day 3 was really really bad. First the trade back but even then. We should have picked at the top of the 4 round! Gary Hicks even the TE there were amazing and we had a chance to get both Gray and Hicks if we didn’t trade back for project players. Yes Gray and Hicks are not first rounders but I am 100% sure they are starters in the NFL and the guys we drafted instead are questionable on that at best other then the blocking TE
Am I missing something? Wouldnt a 2.81 be more like a c average if a 3 is a b? So a 2.81 is more like a c+ I know this something people do for fun anyways but coming up I always thought a 3.0 is a b. I know People use different grading scales tho. Interesting video never the less!😃
Reaching on day 3 not much of a concern to me, that’s when team goes for developmental prospects they like. Also think teams UDFA signings should boost overall class grade. By trading out of R7 they gained extra time to pursue quality UDFA prospects.
Our draft is a B or a B+ not a C
I give them a B+ too. Rams are an A
Cardinals are an A-
I didnt really study SF's so i would have to get back to ya.
People take this stuff too seriously. What makes someone an 'expert'? I hate how people talk about someones floor/ceiling. All of these athletes are studs, and all are capable of becoming great in this league. What matters is their environment and work ethic. I think the Seahawks have a great balance between a competitive lockeroom and leaders in the organization. These guys will be fun to watch develop.
Draft afterglow!
I defer to our new head coach rather then so called experts. Time will tell.
These grades are trash and always have been. The Bears are highest graded team for drafting the obvious player everyone knew they were going to draft. And the Falcons are last because they didn't draft who they were expected to. In 2-3 years we'll look back and laugh at these grades like we always do.
Objective grading is dubious under the circumstances given it doesn't seem to take into account some rather important issues the Seahawks had to deal with going into this draft, which are hard to quantify but are nonetheless a weighty influence on GM + HC's decision-making -- things like contract structure of our current QBs and the collective quality of both; the dearth of early-round picks Seattle actually had to work with; cap space restrictions that limited their range of motion on the board; structure of contracts for certain players which will impact the _2025_ season, which injects a bias toward future trades/picks beyond this season; a glaring bias on the part of the lower graders toward the value of drafting a QB or a bevy of offensive players where we already had plenty of depth and talent (O line was the only glaring need on offense). AND there might've been a bias regarding the _ease_ of making certain selections just because they fell in our lap at opportune times because of decisions _other_ teams were making in the first two rounds (Byron Murphy being the most glaring example).
I personally gave the Seahawks a B because they got some really good picks in Rounds 1 and 3 that addressed both value AND need, while later picks were mostly value-based.
These 'draft experts' don't do their homework and they missed including Sam Howell who has potential to be as good as some of the QB's drafted this year and he's young with more NFL experience. When trades are made using draft picks a la Sam Howell and Leonard Willimas they need to be added to the draft class conversation imo.
C+
I think a lot of these people wanted seattle to trade their future away for calleb willams who gave us low grades i think that the draft grades are fair due to this organization being a 9 win team and will probably continue to be a 9 win team. Until we get a good qb but we also have holes to fill in the defense no stars on the line but i think murphy could be that guy he was getting off of a lot of double teams in college with sound technique according to the guys who played in the trenches. The linebacker situation leaves a lot to be desired the safety position is a giant question mark i hope cody bryant can put on some muscle and go play safety with love geno has to stop fucking up easy throws and with that being said i dont want seattle to copy the pass first offense i dont trust geno to do that i want this team to go run first setup the playaction for dk to hit a 40 yard bomb. I want k9 and charbonet to get 5-6 touches every drive i want people to talk about k9 the way people talk about McCaffrey k9 did not get enough touches and we definitely have to offense to allow him to succeed we got a blocking TE to replace dissly we got dk it's time to throw some people out of the club and demoralize the nfl
Cool chart but the QB talk to me is just stupid shit , just sayin and yeah people have to wait until these guys get on the field, and it's a whole new coaching staff gotta keep that in mind , drafts are always gonna be a toss up your guys are probably not gonna get picked, I was hoping we got Mason McCormick and the Steelers grabbed him , but hey that's always gonna happen to us fans 😂 go Hawks solid A draft 🤘💚
Atlanta's grade is unfairly harsh. They got a QB of the future in Penix! Cousin's is only on a two year contract. Penix actually has a chance to learn the correct way and stay healthy. I understand the pick and Penix is in the right situation.
if you’re gonna draft a qb to sit it shouldn’t be a 25 year old
If you draft who they expect you get a high grade, if you draft someone they dont expect you get a low grade. These grades are given by sports writers who know just enough about sports to have an opinion but not enough to be an actual coach or scout. If you want a good laugh just look back at 2021 draft grades.
@@joshn3579 he's still 23
@@clineezwood7942 he turns 24 really soon
Its most likely the grades not as high because of no 2nd round pick. Also they base these grades too much on if they dont like a teams qb and whether or not the teams drafted a qb they like or not
I think the seahawks draft was between b- to b+
If adjusted to account for Williams as our 2nd rd pick and Howell as our 4th rd pick.
This was a Grade A draft. 3.6 GPA
If you equate for value, the final outcome of signing Howell was right in the middle of the 3rd round comp picks (between picks 96 & 97) which isn't helpful since our native picks were way off of those numbers
Rams at minimum should be top 3. They killed it. We did good. They did better.
I know this is a Seahawks channel but who the hell gave the Falcons an A
If you give the Hawks a C+ or less you either don't know the Hawks, or football.
I've been bummed out because of day 3. In the grand scheme of things if we get one 8-10 year play maker out of the draft I'll be very happy.
Day 3 wasn’t all that bad other than the reach on Tyrice Knight. I think if Ja’Tavion Sanders made it to us, we would have drafted him instead of trading down and then still gotten Knight at 121
I disliked the DJ James pick when there was a few guys I'd rather have had but after sitting on it for a couple days I like this class much better.
@@DanlowMusic I think him and Pritchett are a tell that MM doesn’t like our CB room as much as we think he does
We should remember we didn't have a 2nd round pick. If we did, we would be higher.
Or you could look at it like we gave up our second round pick for nothing considering we could have signed Leonard Williams as a free agent after the season. Maybe they did take that into account when grading us.
@@upoceo Wrong, other teams made offers to. Seattle also only has to pay 650K of the 10M owed him by the Giants. Its a good trade if he preforms as expected.
@upoceo normally, they don't consider prior season trades when evaluating the draft.
Essentially Leonard Williams is our R2 pick and was a good value!
Anytime i hear experts regarding anything my b/s meter starts registering pings Whose fact checking the fact checkers? I am no expert and even I know we did pretty good . At the end of the day time will tell how good the draft really was.
The Talking Heads don’t know much.
Please don't ever utter those words again "Happy Monday" there is nothing happy about Mondays, nothing lol. Only happy Fridays.
Happy miserable Monday!
@fleshhammer656 haha much better, because we all know Mondays suck.
@@derrickclinton2757 Tuesdays are worse for me. Dunno why
@@derrickclinton2757 happy full frontal Friday.
The graders are Seahawks haters, just watch the Seahawks going to stomp on a lot of teams this year! I give the Seattle Seahawks an A.
I rank our draft at a VERY solid B+.
The seahawks get a B. They should get at least 3 starters from this draft.