I understand everyone is interested in hyping up testing. And it makes sense for "spotting" DAS or others such innovations ... but just please, please, please forget about times, and who is fastest, and pretend calculations about performance ... it's never, ever correct.
If they can diminish Robert Kubica in any way, they will. They waste no opportunity to discredit or humiliate him. They have ruined his comeback to F1 big time... Whatever makes them feel better about themselves....
@@Rodoriginal101 omg I also like Robert but this video is absolutely not about him or about anybody. Yes he had the fastest time of one day but still it is just ridiculous what you’re saying. Yes it didn’t work out for him in Williams, it is a big shame because we all know how good he is/was, but he can still prove himself in other series (DTM) or he has already (WRC2 Title). So please cut out the toxicity and move on.
Always looking forward to hear from Palmer. And i almost never have that with other people. He is always clear and honest and has a lot of knowledge. He always looks like he is in the right flow and he enjoy's doing this. But it's never to much or exaggerated.
Not really. You can somewhat compare the teams to last year's paces. Like Racing Point and Williams. eg. Williams this year were faster in testing than they were in last year's quali. But all that really matters is Melbourne quali.
@@IllMisiek From the laps you can see what they are trying to test. For example Vettel's fastest lap was way slower than Bottas' another day because he was trying a high fuel run suggested by the understeer and his line
@@EgorKhaziakhmetov In the F1 2019 game, manual ERS is massively overvalued, to the point where top drivers in the game make multiple adjustments to the ers deployment level in each corner, and dozens over the course of a lap. Not only is it a silly mechanic, but it's required in order to be competitive. Manual ers adds 1.5 to 2 seconds per lap over automatic ers.
their time wasn't good. But after all it doesn't matter. not even the 15.7 by bottas was good. slower, than his pole lap. Although it's the 2020 car amd he was on much softer tyres.
What do you mean, last year they had the best times and were thought of as the "team to beat", only for Mercedes to completely dominate them over the first half of the season
1:28 - I prefer Leclerc's steering wheel-display outlook to that of his teammate. The Assetto Corsa SF15-T and SF70H displays look the same as Seb's. As for the Mclaren-one at 1:30: That isn't the standard default-outlook while on track. Only when in the garage.
That isn't even the standard default-outlook for Mclaren while on track. Only when in the garage. Here's how the standard looks like: ua-cam.com/video/glBFHeFllY8/v-deo.html
Palmer’s got Karma, his a very good analyst. Its been nice to hear his point of view during testing the last two weeks. Looking forward to seeing and hearing more Palmer.
Would have loved to see this video last year after literally ALL MEDIA portrayed Ferrari as the definitive FRONT-RUNNERS given their testing times. Nice hypocrisy.
From the Ferrari steering wheel shot you did I can see that they were in Engine 7. So there is about 0.5-0.4 s gap to the qualifying mode. However, the image doesn’t show the whole wheel so that i can’t see how much power the hybrid part has. They’re absolutely not the best car but I think that they’re not so slow in the straight as the team principal would like us to think.
I just love the great chess match persona of F1. Whether it's watching practice, qualy, or the race, there are always pieces being moved across the grid. The sport is always evolutionizing itself.
And slowing down/speeding up at different points in the lap. Even if a car is on a stormer of a lap, they can slow down in the last sector on purpose to conceal their pace.
Honestly, with the amount of sandbagging going on it is a surprise some of the cars dont resemble WW2 era tanks. The real question though: Does putting sandbags on your car increase downforce?
The point of testing is to map the car. They can do that at much slower pace than flat out. So what would they gain by going as fast as they can? Nothing except grabbing headlines. Which as Ferrari knows all too well, is nothing but an enormous headache. If you go fast, you also draw attention to your car. At this point the car isn't going to get any faster for Melbourne so might as well wait until then to see how fast it really is.
Beats me why anyone would dislike this video. It does everything it says on the box, it's free, and it features Jolyon's expert opinion and professional presentation. 10 out of 10 again. #fanboy
I know it's almost a cliche but when I first say the title, my response was 'YOU DON"T SAY?" I mean, I knew this already, not just with F1 but with racing in general. There's testing but then there is how the actual racing goes down. It's interesting but it may only be useful for the teams (maybe) and not so much anyone else. I already knew this but it's something to see a video that OUTRIGHT SAYS AS MUCH.
I thought the key statistic for testing was lap count, since that roughly correlates reliability and how much of a teams testing schedule they had accomplished
Question: Can’t we see/assume when a team is loading up for a “Quali” or otherwise hot-lap mode? Like when a car comes in after a run and doesn’t fuel up and from on-board cams we can see a little K2 or on radio hear them open up overtake or other ERS modes? So sleuths, on a certain day, can tell that a team ran a hot lap and we take that time, and compare it to others’ hot laps from other days. I’m sure most teams have to see their fastest laps or push their cars at maximum power for a bit. No way anyone but may be Merc can go into a season without a couple of Quali/Race programs.
Am I right in thinking that the tire's wear state is almost as important as the type? Like a shagged soft tire will bleed oodles of time to a warmed up medium?
Last year Autosport kept saying Ferrari were going to win at Melbourne because they were a few tenths faster on one lap. It's the same story every year. In 2013 Grosjean got the fastest time.
At this point it. The times kinda start to matter and if no F1 race will be held this year. They are probably gonna decide the world championship positions base on the who was the most consistent at being quick during the test.
Thank you, it's too painful seeing everyone treating testing time like race and quali pace for every track and possible conditions in the year It's called testing, not qualifying
Why dont you, for next years testing, put no colour markings on the tyre. So only the teams themselfes know on what tire they are ! It will be good for speculating!
That's what I've been trying to tell people - times don't matter during testing. There are way too many variables and uncertainties. All we were able to confirm so far is Mercedes 1-2.
Visto lo visto,en la pretemporada todo es aproximado e irreal,disenlo a Ferrari buenas pretemporadas y despues que,lo que hay que hacer es ser constante y saber realizar estrategias.
Make a video about Ferrari’s settlement with the FIA over tricking the fuel flow meter! Why reach a settlement if they were doing nothing wrong! "The FIA announces that, after thorough technical investigations, it has concluded its analysis of the operation of the Scuderia Ferrari Formula 1 power unit and reached a settlement with the team," said the statement. "The specifics of the agreement will remain between the parties. "The FIA and Scuderia Ferrari have agreed to a number of technical commitments that will improve the monitoring of all Formula 1 power units for forthcoming championship seasons as well as assist the FIA in other regulatory duties in Formula 1 and in its research activities on carbon emissions and sustainable fuels."
He took the variables in race conditions and between race and qualifying. Different setups with equal timing and balanced resource consumption should be rare enough that they don't count.
F1 2020 Pre-Season- Racing Point doing really well, Alfa Romeo leading the lap boards 2 times and Alpha Tauri, Renault, Mclaren, Alfa Romeo, Williams, Renault and Haas sharing places in top 10 Fans- :) F1- Why Times Don't Matter In F1 Testing Fans- :(
Isn't it also so that they don't need to go on the limit to test the car? That's what I always thought. Do you think they are really pushing to the max? They don't do that in all the free practice during a race weekend either..
Correct me if im wrong i could be mistaken the season, but i am fairly certain Toyota looked like the team to beat in 2009 after testing but in the season all they managed where a front row lock out in Bahrain and possibly some podiums
*He forgot to add one most important thing* :- Driving style *If you see Sebastian's Day 5 fastest lap, he was braking few metres before braking points and wasn't pushing throttle efficiently at exits of corner.* But *good news for FERRARI fans* he was still fastest on day 5
F1: *reads comments for 5 seconds* Yeah we're gonna have to make this.
I understand everyone is interested in hyping up testing. And it makes sense for "spotting" DAS or others such innovations ... but just please, please, please forget about times, and who is fastest, and pretend calculations about performance ... it's never, ever correct.
I know right. It appears that some people think it's a kind of extended qualifying session.
What i love about them is that they actually read the comments, a lot of companies don't.
If they can diminish Robert Kubica in any way, they will. They waste no opportunity to discredit or humiliate him. They have ruined his comeback to F1 big time... Whatever makes them feel better about themselves....
@@Rodoriginal101 omg I also like Robert but this video is absolutely not about him or about anybody. Yes he had the fastest time of one day but still it is just ridiculous what you’re saying.
Yes it didn’t work out for him in Williams, it is a big shame because we all know how good he is/was, but he can still prove himself in other series (DTM) or he has already (WRC2 Title). So please cut out the toxicity and move on.
F1: *"William's COMEBACK" (after like 3 days of testing)"*
Also F1: *"Why testing times don't matter"*
I mean you cant be faster in practice than you normally would. So them smashing last years pole time is a good sign
F1: why we are pro GB?
So true 😅
At least they actually made it on time this year
Nobody said that they were going to do well, only that they are clearly better than last year.
Kubica: Ends 4th day of practice with the best time
Formula 1:
@Mark 13 bottas made the best time of all tests if no one made
lmao savage
Formula 1 you are crap
@Blade the Hedgehog corrected ;)
Yeah but he's shit...
who else is Loving Jolyon Palmer's insight, keep it up JP.
Gotta agree with you. He's an excellent presenter and analyst.
Always looking forward to hear from Palmer. And i almost never have that with other people. He is always clear and honest and has a lot of knowledge. He always looks like he is in the right flow and he enjoy's doing this. But it's never to much or exaggerated.
Agreed
Wish he would replace will "leclerc fanboy" Buxton
JP is the man... I was routing for him during his stint in F1. Unfortunately he never seemed to have as much pace as his teammate
Please keep Palmer making these analysis videos and such. He has a great voice for them!
Ferarri: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!
Binotto - "hold on I’m watching Jersey Shore"
Geuing faster than a reulerceuster
It was Mercedes who "pushed" this year, Ferrari has already learned its lesson.
OOOH WRITE THAT DOWN WRITE THAT DOWN
@@stoney-wanlol
Us: Being happy for Robert
F1 Insight: Why times don't matter in testing
Paqiuman *us: being happy for Robert 😑😑
@Diamond Dog edgyyyy cringe
@@46Mage Thanks!
@Diamond Dog Cringe af
@Diamond Dog You gave enough of a shit to comment. 🤷♂️
This Jolyon guy is good ,maybe someday he'll become an F1 driver
Med Ilyes Oudhini Hopefully he will always be alert on the street circuits too
Man that gave me a serious giggle 😂😂😂
@DY Donkyee r/whooosh
Hopefully! He seems like a guy who would never cut the chicane and get a 5 second time penalty
@@Wingbar these hilarious replies are helping me go through a tough night 🤣
0:49 "Some will even go for more" -shows ferrari adding fuel
S A N D B A G G confirmed
Last year they sandbagged so much they actually lost the championship lol
lol
I completely agree with the fuel vs weight concept. I run faster after having a poop.
Are you faster around the corner though or just straight line ....lol
@@technibbles it's all about human downforce
@@theracingline6999 And about traction of their shoes.
@@theracingline6999 Just wear a flatbilll backwards and that'll add plenty
What humans use as fuel is either Red bull, monster, or rich energy
"Everything we've covered on this channel in the past two weeks means nothing"
Lol good one
They didn't just focus on the time differentials of the teams, lol.
Not really. You can somewhat compare the teams to last year's paces. Like Racing Point and Williams. eg. Williams this year were faster in testing than they were in last year's quali.
But all that really matters is Melbourne quali.
@@IllMisiek From the laps you can see what they are trying to test. For example Vettel's fastest lap was way slower than Bottas' another day because he was trying a high fuel run suggested by the understeer and his line
@@RL-es6gg its a joke
Energy deployment can be worth .5 seconds:
Laughs in F12019 manual ERS
Can you explain please?
I get it
@@EgorKhaziakhmetov he is probably using manual deployment of ERS in F1 2019 game
@@EgorKhaziakhmetov In the F1 2019 game, manual ERS is massively overvalued, to the point where top drivers in the game make multiple adjustments to the ers deployment level in each corner, and dozens over the course of a lap. Not only is it a silly mechanic, but it's required in order to be competitive. Manual ers adds 1.5 to 2 seconds per lap over automatic ers.
@@mattw404 I saw some good f1 game drivers do it so often,but never thought it gives so many advantage. Thanks for the answer!
Jolyon is such a good fit for this channel. Really good a additon
He has found his place in F1, not as a driver, but as a very talented presenter
Totally Agree. HIs technical analysis is high up there with the best..
Howcome he doesn't race anymore?
Dhiven Govender he was pretty bad at driving
@@Kuchenblech_Mafioso Formula drivers are still some of the Best In the world. Also jolyon made it to F1 by skill and not money like some drivers..
Mercedes Saharabagging 2020 confirmed
were not talking about small sandbags. sahara sized sand bags
They forgot to talk about sandbags
forgot about the 1:15.732?
@@DaKobaa That is still with the Sahara bags on, imagine it on track. 1:20.2s?
@@aidaspida70 what?
F1 UA-cam: *uploads about ten videos on testing a day*
Also F1 UA-cam: "4 reasons testing doesn't matter!"
Testing does matter, just not the times.
It matters, for the revenue :)
Then... Williams sandbagging?
Nah, you can't sandbag when your car is THE sandbag.
Lol
*adds more sandbags*
Mercedes really did build an entirely new set of suspension, so, Lewis could finally shut up about his tyres.
he has already cried for special tyres.
Bono pls, my tyres are dead!
@Liam07F1 YT classic moany Lewis also has six championships to hold his tears for him
This guy is a gem at explaining things and making F1 more understandable .
I love the way this man does the show
F1: Here’s why times dont matter in testing
Autosport: *Impossible*
And the "Race"
that really speeds up when you almost practice the fastest
5th: Track conditions!
But then everyone is affected by track conditions
@Alonso gaming No, it can be way more
@@audioamateur depends on when you did your quali run
@@bjay_23 Right, but i'm talking about testing
Awsome that Jolyon Palmer can give a lot of great info keep it up 👍
I still think the other one will win the Formula One tough race
ferrar: finally get good times F1: THIS DOESNT MATER
their time wasn't good. But after all it doesn't matter. not even the 15.7 by bottas was good. slower, than his pole lap. Although it's the 2020 car amd he was on much softer tyres.
Their times weren't that good...
@@bosko5437 But the race pace was pretty good, better than last year for sure
Ferrari what were your times?
They were 1:
It doesn't matter what your lap times are!
What do you mean, last year they had the best times and were thought of as the "team to beat", only for Mercedes to completely dominate them over the first half of the season
The video should be named: *Why you shouldn't watch F1 for performance comparing reasons until march*
1:28 - I prefer Leclerc's steering wheel-display outlook to that of his teammate. The Assetto Corsa SF15-T and SF70H displays look the same as Seb's.
As for the Mclaren-one at 1:30: That isn't the standard default-outlook while on track. Only when in the garage.
Hope to hear Palmer every race weekend live, brilliant inside and knowlegde.
1:31
TWat
😂
This is not a promotion video but this is important anyway
ua-cam.com/video/ID_L0aGI9bg/v-deo.html
Temperature Water
That isn't even the standard default-outlook for Mclaren while on track. Only when in the garage.
Here's how the standard looks like: ua-cam.com/video/glBFHeFllY8/v-deo.html
I was about to write that lmao. Sainz is messing with Norris on a next level
This video is proudly sponsored by: *SCUDERIA FERRARI*
Really enjoying Jolyon's bits for F1, he's really good in analysing and explaining!. Thanks!!
2:04 Ericsson just hit us again
Made my day!
@@janosch8145 😂
F1 fans: Being happy that Williams is no longer in a crisis and that Kubica finally prove that he is still a good racer
F1 channel:
Hey Liberty, I'll take all the Palmer content I can get, thanks.
I haven't watched the full video, but from the title and thumbnail, I can already tell its going to be a good one :)
Palmer’s got Karma, his a very good analyst. Its been nice to hear his point of view during testing the last two weeks. Looking forward to seeing and hearing more Palmer.
Just got into F1 the last stretch of the season and this is very informative to a new fan!
It's rare that the best UA-cam channel in a sport is the official UA-cam channel for the sport
F1: Testing times dont matter
Also F1: Reports on testing times every day.
Something Autosport forgot last year.
MattH absolute mugs the lot of them
everyone until now, second part of testing 2019 never happened for mercedes it seems
Would have loved to see this video last year after literally ALL MEDIA portrayed Ferrari as the definitive FRONT-RUNNERS given their testing times. Nice hypocrisy.
Stop crying. You sound like a merc fanboy
@David Optional I totally agree with you, but to be fair, the commenter has a Toto profile pic.
From the Ferrari steering wheel shot you did I can see that they were in Engine 7. So there is about 0.5-0.4 s gap to the qualifying mode. However, the image doesn’t show the whole wheel so that i can’t see how much power the hybrid part has. They’re absolutely not the best car but I think that they’re not so slow in the straight as the team principal would like us to think.
I just love the great chess match persona of F1. Whether it's watching practice, qualy, or the race, there are always pieces being moved across the grid. The sport is always evolutionizing itself.
this video really needed to be made
Nice, Jolyon Palmer back at it again. F1, one of your more brilliant finds to have him on more often
And slowing down/speeding up at different points in the lap. Even if a car is on a stormer of a lap, they can slow down in the last sector on purpose to conceal their pace.
Ferrari will be glad about this
Yup
Yup buddy lightweight
Thank you for making this video.
F1: Times don't matter in testing.
Also F1: Here are the drivers with impressive times during testing.
Laptimes dont matter, but all you guys talk about is laptimes? Makes sense
😂 easy sir
Honestly, with the amount of sandbagging going on it is a surprise some of the cars dont resemble WW2 era tanks. The real question though: Does putting sandbags on your car increase downforce?
Great video JP... can’t wait for Melbourne F1
People gotta love Palmer's review. That's what to expect from a former turbo hybrid era F1 driver. He understands very well every bit he said.
Excellent and perfect explanation!👍👍👍
What about also the fuel:air mixture ratio? Rich vs lean?
The point of testing is to map the car. They can do that at much slower pace than flat out. So what would they gain by going as fast as they can? Nothing except grabbing headlines. Which as Ferrari knows all too well, is nothing but an enormous headache. If you go fast, you also draw attention to your car. At this point the car isn't going to get any faster for Melbourne so might as well wait until then to see how fast it really is.
Beats me why anyone would dislike this video. It does everything it says on the box, it's free, and it features Jolyon's expert opinion and professional presentation. 10 out of 10 again. #fanboy
It’s like we all know this info but we chose to ignore it because we can’t wait for competition
I really like Palmer as a reporter! Good job 👍
0:24 Alonso's 2018 Abu Dhabi GP car
Very well spotted.
Jolyon absolutely nailing these videos recently
To get full perfection performance from the drivers end as well for Stunning Machine's
I know it's almost a cliche but when I first say the title, my response was 'YOU DON"T SAY?"
I mean, I knew this already, not just with F1 but with racing in general. There's testing but then there is how the actual racing goes down. It's interesting but it may only be useful for the teams (maybe) and not so much anyone else.
I already knew this but it's something to see a video that OUTRIGHT SAYS AS MUCH.
JP: we can't know the real pace of the cars from pre-season testing
Also JP: Why William's is still the slowest car
I thought the key statistic for testing was lap count, since that roughly correlates reliability and how much of a teams testing schedule they had accomplished
Put it like this: testing is more for the teams than the viewers
1:30 Ferrari steering wheel says "TWat"
Question: Can’t we see/assume when a team is loading up for a “Quali” or otherwise hot-lap mode? Like when a car comes in after a run and doesn’t fuel up and from on-board cams we can see a little K2 or on radio hear them open up overtake or other ERS modes?
So sleuths, on a certain day, can tell that a team ran a hot lap and we take that time, and compare it to others’ hot laps from other days.
I’m sure most teams have to see their fastest laps or push their cars at maximum power for a bit. No way anyone but may be Merc can go into a season without a couple of Quali/Race programs.
Am I right in thinking that the tire's wear state is almost as important as the type? Like a shagged soft tire will bleed oodles of time to a warmed up medium?
2020 is a game changer in F1
So basically F1 pre-season testing is just one giant game of poker.
Formula 1: makes a video on each day of testing with emphasis on the lap times
Also Formula 1: Lap times don't matter
Last year Autosport kept saying Ferrari were going to win at Melbourne because they were a few tenths faster on one lap. It's the same story every year. In 2013 Grosjean got the fastest time.
Question: are team radios open for public at this time, when they do testing?
Great sunset background :D
Just been watching Drive to survive season 2 and really hoping Haas can fix their car this year
At this point it. The times kinda start to matter and if no F1 race will be held this year. They are probably gonna decide the world championship positions base on the who was the most consistent at being quick during the test.
Few
Everybody gangsta until Williams starts to get podiums
Williams will never get it
Thank you, it's too painful seeing everyone treating testing time like race and quali pace for every track and possible conditions in the year
It's called testing, not qualifying
2019: Mercedes sandbagging, Mercedes wins 6 races
2020: Ferrari sandbagging, Mercedes wins 6 races
I agree, times don't matter. Leadership matters. Binotto no match for me.
🤦♂️
0:35 how old is that footage? That's Sainz in Toro Rosso ?
3Y
Why dont you, for next years testing, put no colour markings on the tyre. So only the teams themselfes know on what tire they are ! It will be good for speculating!
That's what I've been trying to tell people - times don't matter during testing.
There are way too many variables and uncertainties.
All we were able to confirm so far is Mercedes 1-2.
3-4
What about the awrodynamic and roll settings?
great video
Visto lo visto,en la pretemporada todo es aproximado e irreal,disenlo a Ferrari buenas pretemporadas y despues que,lo que hay que hacer es ser constante y saber realizar estrategias.
Palmer is a legend!
Make a video about Ferrari’s settlement with the FIA over tricking the fuel flow meter!
Why reach a settlement if they were doing nothing wrong!
"The FIA announces that, after thorough technical investigations, it has concluded its analysis of the operation of the Scuderia Ferrari Formula 1 power unit and reached a settlement with the team," said the statement.
"The specifics of the agreement will remain between the parties.
"The FIA and Scuderia Ferrari have agreed to a number of technical commitments that will improve the monitoring of all Formula 1 power units for forthcoming championship seasons as well as assist the FIA in other regulatory duties in Formula 1 and in its research activities on carbon emissions and sustainable fuels."
How can you not mention setup?
He took the variables in race conditions and between race and qualifying.
Different setups with equal timing and balanced resource consumption should be rare enough that they don't count.
Also, testing setups to study tire wear and work loads on various parts are not good candidates to be the best lap pf the day for any car =)
I told my boss that I was late to work because I had too much fuel, but he didn't believe me.
What about if Kimi has his gloves and steering wheel or not?
One thing you left out, some of the bigger teams don't want to show their hand.
Wait a min... is that Carloz Sainz in a Torro Rosso at 0:36? Yo F1 wth?
In this case fuel is relevant, they are doing as many laps as possible and probably keep the tank full to test run a genuine scenario.
Can someone explain the tyres this year? Did I miss something
So has it been decided to keep this guy around or what because he's fantastic
F1 2020 Pre-Season- Racing Point doing really well, Alfa Romeo leading the lap boards 2 times and Alpha Tauri, Renault, Mclaren, Alfa Romeo, Williams, Renault and Haas sharing places in top 10
Fans- :)
F1- Why Times Don't Matter In F1 Testing
Fans- :(
Isn't it also so that they don't need to go on the limit to test the car? That's what I always thought. Do you think they are really pushing to the max? They don't do that in all the free practice during a race weekend either..
- *2009 Brawn BGP-001* enters the chat
Correct me if im wrong i could be mistaken the season, but i am fairly certain Toyota looked like the team to beat in 2009 after testing but in the season all they managed where a front row lock out in Bahrain and possibly some podiums
What is everyone doing here? Drive to survive 2 is up, go watch it.
already did!
*He forgot to add one most important thing* :- Driving style
*If you see Sebastian's Day 5 fastest lap, he was braking few metres before braking points and wasn't pushing throttle efficiently at exits of corner.*
But *good news for FERRARI fans* he was still fastest on day 5