I’m curious to watch your coverage of Challenger. I saw it happen on TV in 86. Just don’t do what CNN did on their Columbia documentary. That felt like people had axes to grind and had an agenda. I’ve been listening to the podcast the space above us and he covers every shuttle mission, and the program shouldn’t be defined by Challenger or Columbia. You keep crying crew safety. It was an accepted risk as part of its design because of decisions that had to be made. Bravo to NASA for selling the shuttle to the public they made it look easy. That was probably in the end detrimental to the program since every flight was a risk. I don’t know why people have a perception we will never lose anyone. Just look at the age of sail and all the lost ships. If you guys were in charge of the space program it seems to me we would be stuck on Earth forever. To quote Q “"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
I have seen two shuttle launches in the early 1990's. Endavour's maiden launch in May 1992 and Columbia in February 1994. What I saw as the SRB flames, as opposed to one of the speakers described, was the SRB flames were NOT white. They were a very bright, highly saturated neon like glowing YELLOW. No camera, either film or digital can capture the deep yellow glowing SRB flames which only the human eyes can see. I remember being awed at the SRB flames when I saw my second launch (Columbia in 1994). It was a sight I will never forget. As for Crew Dragon and Starship/Heavy Booster there will eventually be an accident just as, as "safe" as commercial aicrcraft are today, after 60 plus years of jet aircraft, nothing is perfect.
The shuttle's 98.5% recovery reliability is about the same as Soyuz when comparing the number of flights. The shuttle pushed the design envelope quite a bit. Spaceflight is risky. Catastrophic failures will occur with other manned vehicles in the future. Hindsight is 20/20.
Robert Gibson also flew a joint American/Russian mission he flew STS-71 he sent two Russians to Mir and returned two Russians and one American launched as a crew of 7 landed with a crew of 8
If we asume the load mass transport capacity to LEO of Starship in 100 Tons and the maximum propelent capacity pumped in the Starship in 1200 Tons (400 Methane + 800 oxidizer). Does that mean that we will need 12 Starship tankers to load one interplanetary Starship?
If only the Shuttle had evolved into a safer more capable and affordable system over the 30 year life of the program. Variants were proposed none were built.
I love shuttle Sunday I don’t get all of the freaking hand wringing over Challenger. Who said space travel was ever going to be safe? Get over it we will be losing many people as we boldly go. Space isn’t for the timid. We need to learn from the loss and keep going or they die for nothing. If we stop then they died in vain. As Walt Cunningham said at the Cradle of Aviation after Columbia if you want space travel to be safe you don’t go.
Thank you Chris, Sawyer, & meeester Yak, for another awesome Shuttle Sunday! Thank you!!!
I’m curious to watch your coverage of Challenger. I saw it happen on TV in 86. Just don’t do what CNN did on their Columbia documentary. That felt like people had axes to grind and had an agenda. I’ve been listening to the podcast the space above us and he covers every shuttle mission, and the program shouldn’t be defined by Challenger or Columbia. You keep crying crew safety. It was an accepted risk as part of its design because of decisions that had to be made. Bravo to NASA for selling the shuttle to the public they made it look easy. That was probably in the end detrimental to the program since every flight was a risk. I don’t know why people have a perception we will never lose anyone. Just look at the age of sail and all the lost ships. If you guys were in charge of the space program it seems to me we would be stuck on Earth forever. To quote Q “"If you can't take a little bloody nose, maybe you ought to go back home and crawl under your bed. It's not safe out here. It's wondrous, with treasures to satiate desires both subtle and gross. But it's not for the timid."
It's called being respectful to seven dead astronauts and that's a bit more than a "little bloody nose."
Franklin growing up in Costa Rica and getting to fly to space seven times was a huge achievement, his country is still proud of him!!
Launch yesterday was great
Have a great night
Stowing that cable was hilarious 😂
Another Shuttle Sunday!
Woo there was some very … interesting haircuts in the crew pic 😮
That was a PAM D-2 on the SATCOM K-1.
Interesting that two future NASA administrators were on this mission, Charlie Bolden and BIll Nelson.
I have seen two shuttle launches in the early 1990's. Endavour's maiden launch in May 1992 and Columbia in February 1994. What I saw as the SRB flames, as opposed to one of the speakers described, was the SRB flames were NOT white. They were a very bright, highly saturated neon like glowing YELLOW. No camera, either film or digital can capture the deep yellow glowing SRB flames which only the human eyes can see. I remember being awed at the SRB flames when I saw my second launch (Columbia in 1994). It was a sight I will never forget. As for Crew Dragon and Starship/Heavy Booster there will eventually be an accident just as, as "safe" as commercial aicrcraft are today, after 60 plus years of jet aircraft, nothing is perfect.
The shuttle's 98.5% recovery reliability is about the same as Soyuz when comparing the number of flights. The shuttle pushed the design envelope quite a bit. Spaceflight is risky. Catastrophic failures will occur with other manned vehicles in the future. Hindsight is 20/20.
I love shuttle Sundays. But why did nasa have to make mission names out of order?
6 for 1986, 1 for launch at the Cape and C for the third flight of the year.
Robert Gibson also flew a joint American/Russian mission he flew STS-71 he sent two Russians to Mir and returned two Russians and one American launched as a crew of 7 landed with a crew of 8
If we asume the load mass transport capacity to
LEO of Starship in 100 Tons and the maximum
propelent capacity pumped in the Starship in
1200 Tons (400 Methane + 800 oxidizer).
Does that mean that we will need 12 Starship
tankers to load one interplanetary Starship?
If only the Shuttle had evolved into a safer more capable and affordable system over the 30 year life of the program. Variants were proposed none were built.
It evolved into starship ; )
any mod - Stage 2 test was at 3:31:16 McGregor Live .
Nelson should simply be referred to as "Ballast" in reference to his time in the shuttle program. "Ballast." Period.
2 future nasa managers were on this flight Charles Bolden and then Bill Nelson it’s a common fact Bill succeeded Charles
Is there anther flight tonight
What time today?
Can't quite find you yet
Atlantis has Challenger’s body flap
What year was this mission?
@ridgeflyer3220 I 😉Ggled it, it was in 1986, January, the 12th.
The cake is a lie
I love shuttle Sunday I don’t get all of the freaking hand wringing over Challenger. Who said space travel was ever going to be safe? Get over it we will be losing many people as we boldly go. Space isn’t for the timid. We need to learn from the loss and keep going or they die for nothing. If we stop then they died in vain. As Walt Cunningham said at the Cradle of Aviation after Columbia if you want space travel to be safe you don’t go.
your subs only want starship, what makes you think they want to watch something actually cool and interesting like the space shuttle?