Amazing video, I appreciate all the knowledge shared. Definitely makes buying a battery so much simpler when you have this much info on all the different types out there.
Thank you so much! I'll be doing more videos over the winter on batteries but will probably focus more on lithium as that technology continues to overtake the fishing industry.
Hope you like this battery tutorial guys, should clear up the different technologies of batteries and help you decide what you need. One little note that someone pointed out that I completed brain farted on. A couple of times I said Lithium Ion batteries (which of course we use a TON of in household tools and electronics) however marine batteries are Lithium Iron Phosphate or also known as LiFePO or LiFePO4. Please be sure to like the video if you found it helpful! Tight lines everyone 😀
Thank you for sharing this knowledge. I've just ordered my Minn Kota motor and researching my installation options. My motor is a 24 volt system so your info helped a lot including some of your other videos.
... Great video without annoying music. Thank you. Sub'ed w/a bell. .. 25:35 - Keep in mind, the trolling motor battery, batteries, are TOTALLY separate from the Starting and or House batteries but can be charged from the same charger if it has enough "banks." I understand Dan has a 12v TM but some owners have a 24v or 236v TM's and could be running 1-3 batteries just for the TM. . Another note, with modern trolling motors it is a good idea (should be mandatory) to unplug the TM cable (plug connection up front on a bow mount) when charging the TM battery otherwise it can damage/destroy the circuit board in the TM. Jeff
Excellent show. I just ordered a Yamaha 25 hp with tiller handle, electric start, power trim and tilt. I'm repowering a 15 ft aluminum Lowe boat. Great info.
Maintenance free batteries still have vents but are pressure controlled. As I understand it the battery is constructed so evaporation and gassing is minimized and condenses back into liquid.
I agree with you on the Wal-Mart batteries. I had a group 24MS EverStart that was dated 11/2013 that finally died in December 2020. I replaced it with the exact same one.
I'm struggling a little bit, I dont run an electric trolling motor and don't have an electric start outboard. I do have some spotlights, nav lights, anchor light, interior lights, and a bilge pump, and I'm finding it difficult to decide on a battery.
I have been using Walmart EverStar deep cycle battery's for over 30 years never had a problem i tried them over 30 years ago and never looked back and still using them
Really appreciate this video and that comes from a guy who lives in the UK and keeps a boat 9n the Norfolk Broads - one of our National Parks here . Lots of boats of all different sizes but the issues remain the same as Canada in terms of how to use a boat correctly and effectively . Your video addresses all the relevant points in clear concise detail . As I am about to replace my own batteries your help is invaluable, thank you from a UK fan .
My pleasure Russell, and as you say, proper boat maintenance and understanding your boat's electrical system is important! You guys have some beautiful fisheries in the UK, I'm looking forward to coming out again soon and taking another crack at some giant northerns or maybe some monster carp! Thank you so much for the comment and watching my video!
Fantastic video, very informative, one question I had that I don't believe you covered was, what are your thoughts on "Dual Purpose" marine batteries? For example - MOTOMASTER NAUTILUS Group 24 Starting & Deep Cycle Battery - would this be a good option for someone with a small alluminum boat with a 25hp or less outboard to start it and also be used to power a 12v trolling moter?
Just bought a used boat…it has both a 12v cranking battery and a 12v deep cycle (for trolling motor). I want to add led bar lights on bow for navigation at night. Which battery should my new lights be wired to? These lights would be used mostly when boat motor is running (if that matters). TIA
That's a great question and you should always just use your trolling motor battery for the trolling motor and nothing else :) So with that said you definitely want to connect your lights to the cranking battery. Thanks so much for watching my content and for the question!
I do like deep cycle marine batteries that I use them for my chair as well but it seems to be at the AGM Joel system that I have works a little better for my electric wheelchair.
What kind of batteries should I use , I have 2000 s s 22 extreme bass boat , what kind of starting battery and to run all the components and my trolling motor. And information will help Thankyou
Hi Lebron, sorry for the late reply! That's a beautiful boat! So all this depends on your budget... are you looking for the best like lithium, or do you want good dependable power for a budget price? Also are you running a 36v trolling motor or a 24v? I'm assuming you need 4 batteries. If you're on a budget, I've been very happy with the Walmart Everstart Maxx marine batteries. You want 3 Group 31 or 29 batteries for your TM (2 if you're 24v) and 1 group 27 as your main. That's a great basic setup that should last you all day on the water.
Great video! One thing: around 21:50, you show what appears to me a battery box/tray with bolts through its bottom. Won't battery acid eat through that metal and then leak out? Holes in the bottom of battery trays kinda defeat their purpose.
Thank you Glenn! The bolts are actually located on the outside of the tray portion on the edges, they don't pierce through the tray containment area. Great point though you never want to be drilling holes through the main tray when you install these.
Deka Batteries I find are the greatest batteries I have ever used, highly higly reccomend. Little bit pricey but thats because they are made in USA, but you definitely get your moneys worth
Yes you can absolutely do this using what's called a battery isolator! I don't have one yet but there are a ton of videos on how to do this. Give UA-cam a search for boat battery isolator and you'll find all kind :) Good luck!
Well this would be determined by your outboard or inboard and seeing as boat motors range from 5 HP to 500 HP it's a bit hard to cover it all. But any 600 CCA battery should be able to start any typical outboard or inboard. Where it gets tricky is when we start talking multiple engines.
Are those two different batteries on your table tell me what type they are what did you charge them with and tell me if possible if you bought an odyssey charger in to find out what would actually happen if you used an Odyssey battery charger on those batteries to charge and what would actually happen?
14ft aluminum boat would you go with a group 27 or 31 battery for trolling motor 55 lb thrust.I’ve never had any luck with Canadian tire batteries,i went through 2 sets on my dodge cummins one winter and my local walmart doesn’t carry a lot for batteries anymore. I might try napa or car quest . interstates use to be one of the best batteries you could buy . I guess like everything these days nothing the same
I have 12v 60 lb trolling motor for my Intex Mariner Dingy. Have tried 2 different batteries one of them just blew up. Can you please advise how can I best choose one for my current need ? Only want to power trolling motor
thank you! So what about running a powerful after market stereo? Just bought a boat and the batteries need to be replaced. He put in a 3000 watt stereo with two amps. It has two batteries. Which battery would you use when idle and using the stereo? THANKS
I have a 60 hp efi and a garmin 93sv running off the same group 24 starting battery. Im always worried when the motors off while either trolling or anchored that the voltage drops too low. Is the voltage reading on the garmin accurate? How low do you let it drop before starting your outboard to re charge it?
@@kevinaaron297 great question and I can see how that would be a concern. If you're running a group 24 and that battery is good and holding a charge properly, you could run that 93 SV all day no problem and you'll still have more than enough to start the boat. I would only be worried if your battery is very old and not really holding a charge effectively, but other than that you should be totally fine.
My Interstate batteries are still going strong after several years (this would be year 4 or 5 now) but I am switching to Lithium this season! Absolutely no complaints on the Interstate batteries.
Excellent video what gauge wire would you use to connect to deep cycles in parallel i’m trying to add a switch by blue sea and I get so many mixed reviews but it’s hard to know
hey dan, i have a everstart group 31 105 amp hours, use the noco genius 5 to charge it but it seems to take a long time to charge, which charger will charge it much faster? will use for my 40lb trolling motor.
Yeah that's a little bit of a slow charging rate for sure it's a 5 amp charger, so if you drain that down to 40% capacity we're talking 12 hours to charge it back up. If you want to stick with NOCO, which are excellent, check out their NOCO Genpro 10x series. Now these are actually on board Chargers so you can install it permanently and then just plug it in when you get home and they charge at twice the rate of your Genius. You could also look at the brand of charger I use which is ProMariner and those also charge much faster and you can just get a single bank charger for your one battery. The only caveat with this brand is that they do not support lithium. The key is to check the specs and make sure that it charges at 10 amps per bank. So if your charger only has one set of wires for one battery then that's one bank, so check to see that it charges at around a 10 amp minimum and you should be able to charge your battery in 6 hours or less.
I really liked your show I thought it was very informative and helpful 🤔 explained in plain English🙂 I got a lot out of it you answered a lot of questions I couldn't get anywhere else😁 keep up the good work
So let me get this straight. When I do hook up all my fishing equipment on my charter cruiser. I'd hook it to a deep cycle. When I just wanna start my boat, run my lights and listen to music. I'd use a starter battery?
It's a very small motor, any group 24 marine battery will start it. They're probably like 550CCA and up but it doesn't take anywhere near that turn over a 9.9. A Harley motor for example is like 80HP and a small 450CCA battery is enough to start it. So just a small group 24 is fine.
Well here I am pushing 72 years old and thinking I know all there is I need to know. I've always thought I needed a deep cycle battery as the boat battery. I bought this boat used and replaced the battery right away with a deep cycle. I've been having a miss fire code ever since I had the boat. This just might be way. Put a cranking battery in yesterday. Thanks for teaching this old dog a new trick.
You' very welcome Robert, glad I was able to help. As you said, you do not need a deep cycle for your starting battery as cranking marine battery is a hybrid anyhow. You only need the deep cycle for the trolling motor or other devices that use a lot of power on your boat. I'm not sure that will help with the miss fire code though if I'm being honest. Let me know if that clears up and thank you for the comment!! Hope at 72 I'm still operating a boat and doing some fishing too!! All the best!
@@DanRichardFishing Thanks for reply/comment. Different battery might not fix missfire code problem but it just might. At this point I'll try anything to fix problem. Have replaced every electrical component and spent $1,200 bucks at dealer with no luck. Other than the code I see unburnt fuel on plugs. Funny part is that the engine runs great. No indication of a miss fire. Engine starts right up. Will let you know what happens.
Generally I leave my onboard chargers plugged in constantly, but if you're not doing that, I would say plug it in once a month or so. I wouldn't go longer than 3 - 4 months.
Hi. I doing my van conversion and I looking for best battery for a bank battery. And some one told me the marine battery’s are the best. What you recommen me? Thank
Quick question if u dont mind answering, I just perchased my first 12.5 inflatable boat but im having trouble diciding some things and figuring it out, what battery size would you recommend someone thats either getting a 55lb thrust trolling motor or 62 to 86lb is also confusing for that size of a boat and for someone going on Lakes like Big Bear with just 2 people and light fishing gear?
Great question, I would go with a 55lb 12v trolling motor for a small inflatable, it's more than enough! I know guys using the same thing for 14 foot aluminum boats and are fine with that power. As for battery, I would get the biggest you can seeing as you are relying on that motor and battery for getting around. If you can afford it, go with lithium so you save on the weight. 100AH battery or higher.
I want 100ah led marine cheap battery but i would rather prefer 2 batteries 60ah each so i can spread batteries weight in my inflatable boat . 55lb electric outboard. Is that ok idea ?
I have 2 batteries sla one starter battery n 1 house battery...l want to replace sla battery with a 12v 50amp lithium battery....do l need something to get the alternator to recharge lithium...
Is there an easy way to find the trolling motor wires vs fish finder and throttle? Newbie and just bought a used boat. I’d like to get a deep cycle battery for my trolling motor and leave the starter battery by itself
If you have a mess of wires and you're not sure which wires go where, get yourself a continuity tester for tracing wires. You can get cheap ones for less than $30 and they're very easy to use. Here's an inexpensive one that would work: amzn.to/3AskM2d You just clip one side to the wire at the trolling motor and then use the probe at the battery and when you touch the right wire, it will light up and make a noise. I'm not sure about your boat, but on most boats I've seen, the wire to the trolling motor is different that all the rest of the wiring of the boat. You should be able to see the wire at the plug or where it's connected to the trolling motor power wire and find that specific gauge and wire sheathing at the battery. If not, get the continuity tester. It's easy and very useful around the house if you need to trace wires.
Thanks for posting--one question that comes up: "can I run by two battery system with BOTH batteries being deep cycle--and NOT one of them designated as a "starting battery". Answer is, yes you can, though it has the downside of not having as many cold cranking amps to get a stubborn engine running. For sure--it is better to have two deep cycle--than two starting batteries because the starting battery--though "hotter" dos not have the endurance of the deep cycle--but if your deep cycles start your engine just fine--and you have two of them, you should be OK. That does NOT mean it is recommended-what IS recommended is one deep cycle for all the electronics running on the boat--and one "slaved" to the starter, to be red hot (meaning maximum cranking amps) to get the damn thing to start as needed.
Pretty much all VRLA based batteries are pretty much hybrid starting / deep cycle batteries anyway and most purely deep cycle batteries can put out around 650 cranking amps which is fine for most boat outboards. What's important now is that you should not be using deep cycle lithium batteries as a starting battery unless the battery is specifically designed to do both. Most lithium batteries currently on the market are not dual purpose, so be sure to check that out before you buy any lithium batteries that you plan to use to start the big engine. I just did a review of a dual purpose lithium battery that I thought was pretty fantastic, and Miller Tech also makes one.
Hi i have a vfm Sportline rv 12v 80 ah 540 cca battery now i have to charge it but I’m not sure if its a agm battery or normal. Which setting should i use to charge it agm or normal? It would be great if any one can help?
Hi there! Take a look at the big Sportline logo on your battery. If it just says Sportline, then do normal, but if it has AGM in red on the Sportline logo, then you have an AGM model :) Hope that helps!
So... when people quote big battery volts for cars, solar they quote anywhere from 12 Volts up to 13+ volts. Often around 12.5 V. Is less than 13 V on a new deep battery a problem? I have a hard time getting some of my marine batteries above about 12.4. They were new when I got them. Then I stored them a few months and then used them noticing this. Is it normal for them to be below 13 V? If they stay working that's fine. But I wondered if less voltage is indicative of a refurbished battery, or damaged battery and how you'd tell? There are stories of people buying new batteries from other companies and then they found out it was refurbished when they looked inside. And then I wondered how being a marine battery also would affect what voltage you typically see also? (Will marine batteries have less raw volts than car batteries even though they have more capacity?
Hi Noah, these are great questions! In terms of a lead acid based battery (VRLA) it is totally normal for them to be under 13 volts brand new, they should be 12.6 to 12.8 brand new and fully charged and this includes marine batteries with the same technology. If your max voltage on a freshly charged battery is 12.4, then I would say you definitely have an issue with that battery as 12.4 is considered a partially discharged voltage and once you hit 12.1 I would argue you are discharging it too deeply and risking damage. When you see people talking about 13+ volts on their batteries, they are likely lithium. Hope that helps!
Would an AGM battery have slightly higher volts like 13+? Seems like there could be a way to have the AGM battery be the lead the power draws from to have some advantages but then have it connected to the other batteries in a system.
Hey Dan, A lot of these batteries don't state the AH. Like the everstart does not mention the ah it only has CCA 845 and in the specs it say 845 AMPS. min kota says the best would be 110 AH for my ENDUA C2 TROLLING MOTER. How do I know the AH on this battery ? EverStart Maxx Marine Battery, Group Size 29DC (12 Volts/845 CCA)
Are you sure they don't state the Reserve Capacity? You can use that to calculate amp hours, I actually show you the exact calculation step by step here ua-cam.com/video/YTl9E-ArZcw/v-deo.html Also, I am almost positive that Everstart MAXX batteries have a sticker on the top of the battery that states amp hours at 1A. Hope that helps!
Starting batteries for marine applications are hybrid batteries, so they are designed for both starting your boat and for powering electronic devices for a long period of time. For high amperage constant draws such as a trolling motor, you want a dedicated deep cycle battery, built for heavy use. Now, if you don't need a starting battery at all, then just go with a deep cycle - but remember you should never power your fish finder off the same battery as a trolling motor if because of the interference unless you really just can't avoid it.
Hi! Dan....got into a boat fixer upper - getting ready to wire - 17 foot aluminum, 60 hp 4 cycle Mercury - 24v Minncota trolling motor with separate 2 12v deep cycle... Just ask what kind of battery for Cranking and House battery. for house - Bow nav Light, Stern Anchor Lite, Left and right Scotty down riggers, Lawrence GPS/Fish finder, VHF Radio, bilge pump, Live well, What do you recommend for cranking battery and house battery? and what was device to charge up the battery when boat is back home? Thank you
Hi Mark, you do NOT want to use a car battery, you want to use a standard marine grade battery, which is designed as a hybrid between a starting battery and a deep cell. Car batteries are not designed to act as a deep cell battery for powering electronics, livewells, and other gear on your boat for long periods of time with the engine off. They are also not designed to take the pounding of a boat. Now if you have a small Jonboat or something and you have nothing to run on the battery and just need it to start your motor, then yes you could get away with a car battery but even then I wouldn't recommend it. Hope that helps!
I have an element e16 with 75 hp outboard with 1 cranking battery 24m-xhd , I want to install a dual battery switch blue sea mini and a 2nd battery. Do these batteries have to be exact same or can I keep my 1 cranking as main and just install a 24 deep cycle everstart to run my stereo when engine is off ? The way I understand it if when my engine is off the system switched to the 2nd battery automatically and as soon as the engine is on both start charging at the same time. Stereo is the only thing I am running when the engine is off.
I'm going to say that no, they do not have to be the same, but I would be weary of any possible overcharging so I would just check the batteries from time to time with a voltage meter and just make sure they are not getting overcharged. A fully charged lead acid battery is 12.7v - 12.8v so just be sure you're not getting numbers higher than that and they are charging evenly.
What would happen if I used a deep cycle battery for my cranking battery? My duel purpose battery died and I have two deep cycle ones. I am hoping I can use one for cranking and one for trolling motor. Thanks.
This is a really good question and the answer is in a pinch yes you can use a deep cycle battery to start your boat, but depending on the size of the engine and how many amps is required to turn it over the deep cycle may not be able to generate the required amperage. If you have a smaller engine like I do like a 50 HP then it should probably work fine, but again it's simply not designed to be a cranking battery. Where the real problems start is if you were to be asking can you use a cranking battery as a deep cycle, and that is a definite No-No. So in short, you can use the deep cycle for now but I would recommend switching to a proper cranking dual-purpose battery when you get a chance.
@@DanRichardFishing Thanks. My motor is a mercury 40hp 4 stroke. And my deep cycle says it has 685 marine cranking amps. I didn’t think a deep cycle had cranking amps at all but after I saw that I thought I might just use it for my cranking and the other deep cycle for my trolling motor.
Hi there, absolutely! Most Marine batteries that are VRLA (lead acid) are a combination of starting battery and deep cycle, such as marine battery group 24 or 27 batteries. The big fells like deep cycle 31 and 29 are mainly for powering things like a trolling motor. In the case of Lithium, most are not dual purpose so you have to make sure you get the right battery for your application. I have a product review coming up this week that touches on this!
... If I may answer, The starting battery will be charged by the outboard engine during your time on the water when it is running. Some boats, larger ones, have a "House" battery to power all the electronics. Graphs, bilge pumps, live wells, lights, etc. Depending on how it is wired, the house battery can also be charged with the outboard. . Keep in mind, the trolling motor battery, batteries, are TOTALLY separate from the Starting and or House batteries. . Another note, with modern trolling motors it is a good idea (should be mandatory) to unplug the TM cable (plug in up front on a bow mount) when charging the TM battery otherwise it can damage/destroy the circuit board in the TM. Jeff
So I am late to the game here but I just found a Alumacraft 1648 jon boat and it has a pull start Merc 9.9. I want to add a transom mount trolling motor, 36" shaft and was wondering if you could recommend thrust for general trolling lakes for bass and snakehead. I found your post while searching a battery and was wondering if I could run Nav lights occasionally or phone charger with the same battery used with my trolling motor?
That's a great question and a 12v trolling motor would work great with your boat, a 40lb thrust like the Minn Kota 44Lb Endura would do a great job! This might sound like a silly question but why not troll with the 9.9? A 9.9 is a perfect kicker and great for trolling, I would think that would work fine. You can definitely run your nav lights and a phone charger off the same battery, just make sure you get a full size group 31 battery for max amp hours or maybe even consider a lithium battery. I'm about to review one and test it with exactly this kind of trolling motor to see how much it drains the battery. I should have that video up in a couple of weeks :) Only thing you don't want to run off the same battery as your trolling motor is a fish finder, otherwise you get the interference. Hope that helps!
Optima blue tops or Interstate deep cycles. Love them both. Edit: Amperage is pulled, not pushed. Voltage is pushed, not pulled. When voltage goes up, amperage goes down. Batteries do not push amps, they just have a limit on how many amps they can handle being pulled out of them before over heating and/or failing.
I'm currently running interstate and even though they seem to have a bad rap, mine have worked perfectly. And yes amps are pulled by the electric device connected. I believe it's called ohm's law. If I said otherwise I probably just misspoke, it's not always easy putting these videos together when you're trying to concentrate on lighting and camera and audio and making sure your words are all straight as well LOL! Usually if I catch an error while I'm editing I put a little subtitle to correct myself 🤣
Hey Dan! Recently started following. I was charging my 3 interstate batteries with my pro sport HD 20 - 3 channel. One of my batteries began hissing and was extremely hot. The charger didn’t indicate any issues but it freaked me out while changing oil haha. Is this a normal thing or is a new battery needed? Appreciate your help and love the videos
Hi Robert, great question! I did a video on how to calculate amp hours and how long your battery will last on your electronics step by step at ua-cam.com/video/YTl9E-ArZcw/v-deo.html so I highly recommend you check that out! For your trolling motor, the specs say that it draws 14 amps and assuming your battery is a regular lead acid battery and you should not fully discharge it past 30 - 40% you would around an hour of use on an 18AH battery. I would HIGHLY recommend you look at lithium batteries if you are looking for a small, light battery with max output. Hope that helps!
Looking to add a battery to push my marine stereo and I'm lost any suggestions have stereo head unit ,400w amp, and 4 6.5 speakers. Have a few led s. And a helix
Hi Donnie, great question regarding your stereo system! So this would run off the main starting battery of your boat so you'll want a group 24 or 27 marine starting battery but bear in mind, a stereo on the boat is similar to a stereo in a car. If you run it for a very long time without the engine turned on, you risk draining your battery and not being able to fire up the motor. Check out my other battery video here: ua-cam.com/video/YTl9E-ArZcw/v-deo.html and it shows you how to calculate how long a battery can power your devices. Towards the end of the video it shows you also how to convert watts to amps so you can actually take the power consumption of your stereo and helix, add it up together and figure out exactly how many amps your system consumes and how long your battery can power it. Don't worry about they LEDs, they consume almost nothing and don't really have much of an impact. Hope that helps!!
Hi Brian, technically you can do this but I always recommend not running your fish finder from your trolling motor battery because you risk getting heavy interference every time your trolling motor is running. Give it a shot and if you see you're getting heavy interference on your screen you might want to pick up a small lightweight lithium battery just for running your electronics. Good luck!
I put two 27 DC Ever start batteries from Walmart on my dodge 2500 decil engine.The truck used two batteries. They have a sticker on them that says they are Deep Cycle maintainous free but they both has acid in them. They did a great job for almost three years and always started my truck cold weather or hot weather. The truck use to pull a large home trailer. I replaced the batteries with the same type 27DC batteries that was on it. they worked Ok and lasted about three years . The batteries went bad after a year of sitting up and not driving it with a 1.5 amp charger on it. After a year of sitting up they wouldn't start the truck and they were out of acid. I put some water in them but they still wouldn't start the truck so I replaced them with two of the same type 27 DC Deep cycle, both use acid . The last batteries lasted almost three years. They were about 100 dollars Cheaper so I decided to use the same type again. Surly they want hurt the truck and they seem to work just fine. Everyone is telling me I did the wrong thing.
I'm not reading anything here that seems to hurt the truck. The fact that your batteries were dry is odd, I'm wondering if your trickle charger was overcharging them or something. It is a good idea if you're using VRLA batteries and it's liquid to check them after they've been idle on a charger for a long time. Even maintenance free batteries should be checked unless they are completely sealed.
@@DanRichardFishing Thanks for the reply, I'm not sure they had enough acid in them to start with, I didn't check and should have. Thanks again for the reply, it shows you really care about your viewers.
Hi Kyle, it really depends on your budget! If you just need a starting battery and run a few basic electronics off it, nothing wrong with a Everstart Maxx marine battery from Walmart in the group 24 or 27 size!
Great video, and thank you. I have yet to see anyone address battery types and the "mixing" of them. i.e. Tying the batteries together, either permanently (in series to create 24v) or temporarily (switching to both batteries) in parallel combining for emergent starting or just charging (at 12v with both batteries). What are the possible adverse effects by tying a gel cell , deep cycle, AGM, standard wet cell starting or Lithium batteries in series or parallel? Can one damage the other?
This is a great question, thank you for asking about this and it's subject to a LOT of debate. As far as I've heard, there is no harm in mixing AGM/GEL/Flooded batteries in parallel or series, it's more of a question of does your charging system support those battery types and can it autodetect which is which. If you DO mix batteries and can't auto-select, then set the system to AGM. The only ones I would NOT mix is Lithium, I would definitely suggest you always run them separately and if you need to use a lithium battery that is rated for cranking, I would jumper it, not wire it in parallel. With that said, I would NOT recommend mixing up your batteries like this when in a permanent parallel or series setup because you risk overdraining the weaker battery and shortening it's overall lilfespan. AGM, GEL and Flooded are not supposed to drain to less than 30% or 40% charge or you shorten it's lifespan, so if you have two very different batteries, the weaker one will get drained excessively so I always recommend matching batteries in multi-battery setups. Hope that helps!!
great video dan - i like that you covered everything based on your specific application, and budget. not everyone can afford top notch items. i wanted to let you know, i had the same issues with my walmart (everstart) batterys just last weekend. was out on the lake, and after little over and hour, the trolling motor battery lost major power, checked my digital gauge, and it was like at 8.5 volts, dang it. so pulled over, switched batteries, and my second battery, same one, was fine. got home, and after some inspection, found out that you can remove the large sticker and there are large screw caps underneath, popped them off, and it was completely dry. so filled with distilled water, and seems to be holding charge, will find out next time on the lake. but it was only 2 years old, where did the fluid go, never saw leaks or water lying around, took them in house over the winter due to the cold. so we shall see. but invested in the promariner series on board charger, so hopefully this will help, and not have to remove them. great instructions. keep up good work
Hi Rob, thank you so much for your feedback and for your sharing your battery situation. That is crazy that you lost all the fluid of the battery in a couple of years! I had a set of Walmart batteries that were 5 years old and when I changed them, they were still full! It's great that you refilled them with the distilled water, did it save the battery? What were you using to charge the batteries before the promariner? Only thing I can think of it that your battery was being overcharged, which breaks down the water inside at an accelerated rate in to hydrogen and oxygen gas and it escapes the housing. The issue is that it depletes electrolyte levels in the battery. This causes the concentration of the sulfuric acid in the electrolyte to greatly increase and then that damages the battery plates and reduces the battery life. Hopefully you were able to salvage a bit more life from it! Thanks again for the comment, take care!
@@DanRichardFishing hey, thanks for replying. Very welcome for sharing, this is how we all learn. I was able to save the battery, or let say it's working for now, will see next season, lol. But it's holding a charge and was out several times since and seemed to be fine. As for what I used before the promariner, just 3 1.5-4.0 mini charger maintainers, they seemed ok but took forever, but seemed like the battery was always loosing fluid like Maybe over heating. But so far love the promariner, great item and thank you for your honesty and review
Wow, that's crazy, did you ever contact them to tell them? I'm the opposite, nothing but great results with Everstarts and not so great motomaster ones. I find the Nautilus line a bit overpriced, but I have one anyway because I was desperate lol! To be fair, it has been working well so far!
What I'd like to see you do is taking Odyssey battery charger for AGM batteries charge a deep cycle battery with it to see if the battery charger detects it and puts the right voltage in it and I heard a lot of people got screwed on this battery charger because I just got off the UA-cam with this person that had one now if you have a week deep cycle battery or any kind of weak car battery figure out whether the Odyssey battery charger will work on it or not and tell me if it puts it up to exact voltage or it doesn't?
I have a question? I have 3 batteries on the same 3 bank systems as you do. I have 3 electric winches which are ran on each battery. Now, it's time to get new batteries a old friend has been trying to talk me into getting 3 semi batteries at 1000 cca instead of the deep cycle 750 cca batteries I have now. What's your thoughts?
If you're not starting a large motor with the batteries, I see no reason why you need to focus on the CCA rating. Go for max amp hours (or reserve capacity) and don't even worry about the CCA rating. CCA ratings of 1000 etc are numbers used to advertise starting batteries for large diesel engines and such.
Hey brother I do have a question think I do need your help. I have 4K 65 in TV which battery can I use but I need even solar panel. but I don't know much about solar panel. and I don't know much about batteries please I need your help.
Hi Amani, OK your setup is quite a bit different because a battery is 12v DC and a TV in North America is 120v AC. You will need to get a 12v power inverter to power the TV off a battery and you'll need to check the wattage of the TV to ensure the inverter can handle the load. Here's a little article that explains it a bit more: www.12volt-travel.com/travel/products/power-inverters/how-to-power-a-tv-with-a-car-battery.html#:~:text=If%20you%20would%20like%20to,power%20inverter%20can%20plug%20into. Hope that helps!
@@DanRichardFishing thank you brother I really appreciate it. yes it works for me. now I understand. Thank you for everything you do. we appreciate and we are happy.🙏🙏👍
Nice, what about the Dual Purpose, like Nautilus Exide Dual Purpose batteries. Do you have any experience with them? I use them for accessories like winches, as well as a backup starting trucks.
I have not used or really heard anything either way on the Exide series, but I have used the Nautilus brand from Canadian Tire in my boat but I don't believe they are the same company. That battery was great until I accidentally left my boat console lights on and completely killed the battery and I was not able to recover it. What's worse is I only discovered it was totally drained when I got to the ramp and I tried to trim up my motor. DOH! Learned that lesson... now I always check power before I leave the house by giving the trim switch a quick tap lol
I've done some older install videos but never a transducer. I do have some upgrades coming up in the spring and will be updating my boat's transducer, so I'll have new content on that in early 2022 if all goes well :)
Can you please give me a update on the speakers that I had bought for bike it's not a motorcycle it is a real bike with a motor on it I already hooked up the speakers and everything to it but I need to know what kind of battery can I buy to connect it to a gohawk TT3 if you can please let me know thank you
Sorry I'm a little confused... you said it's not a motorcycle but it's a bike with a motor on it. So wouldn't that be a motorcycle? ;) I'm curious how the electricals work on it or is it a pull start engine kind of thing? You should be able to find smaller lithium ion ebike batteries on Amazon than you can attach to the bike, that should work great. Something like this that weighs less than 4 pounds: amzn.to/2KblBXp Just remember that you will need to manually charge the battery if your motorized bike doesn't have an electrical system that has a battery hookup/alternator charging system. Hope that helps!
If you have a jon boat or a small craft that doesn't have a battery compartment, I would definitely keep the battery in a battery box to keep the terminals and connections protected from the elements and from getting hit with equipment, your feet etc. I'm not a fan of having a battery just loose in the boat. For the onboard charger, I went without one for a long time but it was just so annoying after each trip to pull out the chargers, clamp them on, and then remove everything and stow them when I wanted to fish. It's just so much easier to park the boat and plug in your extension cord to the bank charger and walk away and then when you're ready to go out, just unplug and drive off :) Hope that helps!
Hello I’m new in the the boating hobby hahaha i have a question I bought the intex inflatable Excursion 5 with the Minn Kota Endura Max 55lb what description of battery do I need to search for ? I don’t want to die right away, but I don’t want to spend a lot $ Do you recommend group 31 for the capacity of the motor I’m extremely confused 🤷🏼♀️ Thank You !
Hi Mery, what's the payload capacity of the boat? If a Group 29 or 31 isn't too big for the boat and you want to spend as little as possible, I always recommend the good ol' Everstart Maxx marine deep cycle battery at Walmart for the best bang for your buck. Check it out at www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Maxx-Marine-Battery-Group-Size-29DC-12-Volts-845-CCA/20531539 hope that helps!
@@DanRichardFishing thank u soo much for answering back !!! Yes I did look for the one in your link, but its sold out second option u might have ? (Item description Intex Excursion 5 measures 12.5 feet in length and 5.5 feet and carrying capacity of 1,000 pounds) thank you again!!!
For the Noco genius battery maintainer do you have to take the batteries out to charge them? Because I haven't taken them out. Just wondering if I'm doing it wrong
Hey! Great Video. I’ve got a manual start motor. Do electronics/accessories still have to be on a starting battery or can they be on a deep cycle similar to a trolling motor. Trolling motor is on its own battery.
If you don't need a marine starting battery, then you can definitely go with a deep cycle for all your other accessories :) As you mentioned, just make sure your trolling motor is on a dedicated battery. Hope that helps! :)
i have a 40lb thrust minn kota trolling motor. ive just had a 12 volt marine battery from bi-mart for the last 6 months and lately it dies after like 30 min of fishing and i dont know why. i charge it all night on a trickle charger. i dont really understand what battery or battery charger to use
Hi Mario! Does your trickle charger have a status system that shows you if the battery is fully charged and in maintenance mode? If your charger is connected for a few days and you still only get 30 minutes of power, sounds like your battery is done and needs to be replaced (only 6 months old should be under warranty). You may be draining it too deeply, which can greatly shorten the lifespan of your battery. What kind of boat do you have and do you take the battery out each time or leave it in? What model battery is it?
@@DanRichardFishing yeah so my trickle charger will usually turn green when it’s fully charged, I think my battery just was done because I drained it and wouldn’t charge it enough, I just replaced it with the same one it’s just a bi Mart marine battery 12 volt. I wild usually take it out of my boat and charge it before using it. Should I put it on the charger right away after I’m done and keep it charging for a few days or until I want to fish again? How often do I need to charge?
@@mariojacobson4886 Hi Mario, these are great questions and you you should always keep your boat plugged in to the tender, it certainly won't hurt it and you'll know it's always charged, and you definitely want to plug it in as soon as you get home. Get yourself a smart battery charger that will do charging, maintenance and testing so not only will it keep your battery optimized, but it will tell you as soon as your battery is starting reach end of life. You have a small boat so I don't know if I would go with a bank charger but definitely get a good charger you can rely on like a NOCO battery charger.
Amazing video, I appreciate all the knowledge shared.
Definitely makes buying a battery so much simpler when you have this much info on all the different types out there.
Thank you so much! I'll be doing more videos over the winter on batteries but will probably focus more on lithium as that technology continues to overtake the fishing industry.
Hope you like this battery tutorial guys, should clear up the different technologies of batteries and help you decide what you need. One little note that someone pointed out that I completed brain farted on. A couple of times I said Lithium Ion batteries (which of course we use a TON of in household tools and electronics) however marine batteries are Lithium Iron Phosphate or also known as LiFePO or LiFePO4. Please be sure to like the video if you found it helpful! Tight lines everyone 😀
Best video on batteries that I have seen! Looking forward to more. Thanks!!
Thank you for sharing this knowledge. I've just ordered my Minn Kota motor and researching my installation options. My motor is a 24 volt system so your info helped a lot including some of your other videos.
Thank you for this video. You did an excellent and very thorough job of explaining about marine batteries and I certainly appreciate it.
Why thank you very much, I really appreciate the kind words :) All the best!
I learned a lot about batteries from your talk , very clear language for a non native English speaker , only have to say : THANK YOU !.
Thank you so much Ramiro, I'm glad you were able to understand what I was talking about and it was helpful to you, thanks so much for the comment!
... Great video without annoying music. Thank you. Sub'ed w/a bell.
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Keep in mind, the trolling motor battery, batteries, are TOTALLY separate from the Starting and or House batteries but can be charged from the same charger if it has enough "banks."
I understand Dan has a 12v TM but some owners have a 24v or 236v TM's and could be running 1-3 batteries just for the TM.
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Another note, with modern trolling motors it is a good idea (should be mandatory) to unplug the TM cable (plug connection up front on a bow mount) when charging the TM battery otherwise it can damage/destroy the circuit board in the TM.
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Excellent show. I just ordered a Yamaha 25 hp with tiller handle, electric start, power trim and tilt. I'm repowering a 15 ft aluminum Lowe boat. Great info.
Maintenance free batteries still have vents but are pressure controlled. As I understand it the battery is constructed so evaporation and gassing is minimized and condenses back into liquid.
Great great video. Thank you just bought a 16' starcraft project boat and this video was thorough and covered all the main needs. 👍👍👍
I agree with you on the Wal-Mart batteries. I had a group 24MS EverStart that was dated 11/2013 that finally died in December 2020. I replaced it with the exact same one.
Yep, they're great, especially considering the price!
I'm struggling a little bit, I dont run an electric trolling motor and don't have an electric start outboard. I do have some spotlights, nav lights, anchor light, interior lights, and a bilge pump, and I'm finding it difficult to decide on a battery.
I have been using Walmart EverStar deep cycle battery's for over 30 years never had a problem i tried them over 30 years ago and never looked back and still using them
Really appreciate this video and that comes from a guy who lives in the UK and keeps a boat 9n the Norfolk Broads - one of our National Parks here . Lots of boats of all different sizes but the issues remain the same as Canada in terms of how to use a boat correctly and effectively . Your video addresses all the relevant points in clear concise detail . As I am about to replace my own batteries your help is invaluable, thank you from a UK fan .
My pleasure Russell, and as you say, proper boat maintenance and understanding your boat's electrical system is important! You guys have some beautiful fisheries in the UK, I'm looking forward to coming out again soon and taking another crack at some giant northerns or maybe some monster carp! Thank you so much for the comment and watching my video!
At cabels they have a lithium ion Battery for 699 in Canada. Consider buying it after watching this video! Appreciate the info brotha, God bless!
You're very welcome Dennis, these new batteries are definitely gamer changers! All the best to you as well :)
Found this awesome..just got a canoe with a 3h electric motor..with no battery now I know what kind to get thanks for the lesson.....
You're very welcome and enjoy your new canoe!
I subscribed because of this video, answered alot of questions on complicated topics simply. Thank you
Thank you so much for the sub and I'm so glad you found the video useful :)
@@DanRichardFishing I've seen alot of lead carbon batteries for sale, not alot of information easily avaliable wonder if you could make a video on it
Fantastic video, very informative, one question I had that I don't believe you covered was, what are your thoughts on "Dual Purpose" marine batteries? For example - MOTOMASTER NAUTILUS Group 24 Starting & Deep Cycle Battery - would this be a good option for someone with a small alluminum boat with a 25hp or less outboard to start it and also be used to power a 12v trolling moter?
Just bought a used boat…it has both a 12v cranking battery and a 12v deep cycle (for trolling motor). I want to add led bar lights on bow for navigation at night. Which battery should my new lights be wired to? These lights would be used mostly when boat motor is running (if that matters). TIA
That's a great question and you should always just use your trolling motor battery for the trolling motor and nothing else :) So with that said you definitely want to connect your lights to the cranking battery. Thanks so much for watching my content and for the question!
Just caught this 7/28/2024. Great video! Thanks for sharing!
I do like deep cycle marine batteries that I use them for my chair as well but it seems to be at the AGM Joel system that I have works a little better for my electric wheelchair.
What kind of batteries should I use , I have 2000 s s 22 extreme bass boat , what kind of starting battery and to run all the components and my trolling motor.
And information will help
Thankyou
Hi Lebron, sorry for the late reply! That's a beautiful boat! So all this depends on your budget... are you looking for the best like lithium, or do you want good dependable power for a budget price? Also are you running a 36v trolling motor or a 24v? I'm assuming you need 4 batteries. If you're on a budget, I've been very happy with the Walmart Everstart Maxx marine batteries. You want 3 Group 31 or 29 batteries for your TM (2 if you're 24v) and 1 group 27 as your main. That's a great basic setup that should last you all day on the water.
Great video! One thing: around 21:50, you show what appears to me a battery box/tray with bolts through its bottom. Won't battery acid eat through that metal and then leak out? Holes in the bottom of battery trays kinda defeat their purpose.
Thank you Glenn! The bolts are actually located on the outside of the tray portion on the edges, they don't pierce through the tray containment area. Great point though you never want to be drilling holes through the main tray when you install these.
Deka Batteries I find are the greatest batteries I have ever used, highly higly reccomend. Little bit pricey but thats because they are made in USA, but you definitely get your moneys worth
Thanks Charlie, I'll check them out!
What about a on board dc to dc battery charger? Off the 12v engine battery to the 24v trolling battery bank.
Yes you can absolutely do this using what's called a battery isolator! I don't have one yet but there are a ton of videos on how to do this. Give UA-cam a search for boat battery isolator and you'll find all kind :) Good luck!
Great video but nothing mentioned on how to determine how much CCA is needed for inboards or outboard boats.
Well this would be determined by your outboard or inboard and seeing as boat motors range from 5 HP to 500 HP it's a bit hard to cover it all. But any 600 CCA battery should be able to start any typical outboard or inboard. Where it gets tricky is when we start talking multiple engines.
Which lithium ion po4 battery do I choose for starting the motor and powering my electric motor, one battery- double duty .
Amped outdoor for my trolling motor and love it. Just wish my 50amp trolling motor wasn’t a hog on my 200amp batteries.
do you think a 40lb trolling motor with a 27 is good?
I'd really recommend you go with a 29 - 31 size, you won't get much run time from the 27.
My outboard is a 1999 225HP mercury. Can that charge a LifePO4 battery?
Yes it should be fine. You just want to make sure your charging system is not outputting more than 14.6 volts.
@@DanRichardFishing what if it is? How do we regulate that?
Damn...I just got schooled! Thanks Dan, you're the man!!!!
Are those two different batteries on your table tell me what type they are what did you charge them with and tell me if possible if you bought an odyssey charger in to find out what would actually happen if you used an Odyssey battery charger on those batteries to charge and what would actually happen?
14ft aluminum boat would you go with a group 27 or 31 battery for trolling motor 55 lb thrust.I’ve never had any luck with Canadian tire batteries,i went through 2 sets on my dodge cummins one winter and my local walmart doesn’t carry a lot for batteries anymore. I might try napa or car quest . interstates use to be one of the best batteries you could buy . I guess like everything these days nothing the same
Very detailed on each type. Thanks for your research and content in this video.
You're very welcome, thank you for taking the time to comment :)
I have 12v 60 lb trolling motor for my Intex Mariner Dingy. Have tried 2 different batteries one of them just blew up. Can you please advise how can I best choose one for my current need ?
Only want to power trolling motor
thank you! So what about running a powerful after market stereo? Just bought a boat and the batteries need to be replaced. He put in a 3000 watt stereo with two amps. It has two batteries. Which battery would you use when idle and using the stereo? THANKS
I have a 60 hp efi and a garmin 93sv running off the same group 24 starting battery. Im always worried when the motors off while either trolling or anchored that the voltage drops too low. Is the voltage reading on the garmin accurate? How low do you let it drop before starting your outboard to re charge it?
@@kevinaaron297 great question and I can see how that would be a concern. If you're running a group 24 and that battery is good and holding a charge properly, you could run that 93 SV all day no problem and you'll still have more than enough to start the boat. I would only be worried if your battery is very old and not really holding a charge effectively, but other than that you should be totally fine.
Great video thanks just about to buy all need for trolling motor how as the interstate battery held up to this point
My Interstate batteries are still going strong after several years (this would be year 4 or 5 now) but I am switching to Lithium this season! Absolutely no complaints on the Interstate batteries.
Excellent video what gauge wire would you use to connect to deep cycles in parallel i’m trying to add a switch by blue sea and I get so many mixed reviews but it’s hard to know
hey dan, i have a everstart group 31 105 amp hours, use the noco genius 5 to charge it but it seems to take a long time to charge, which charger will charge it much faster? will use for my 40lb trolling motor.
Yeah that's a little bit of a slow charging rate for sure it's a 5 amp charger, so if you drain that down to 40% capacity we're talking 12 hours to charge it back up. If you want to stick with NOCO, which are excellent, check out their NOCO Genpro 10x series. Now these are actually on board Chargers so you can install it permanently and then just plug it in when you get home and they charge at twice the rate of your Genius. You could also look at the brand of charger I use which is ProMariner and those also charge much faster and you can just get a single bank charger for your one battery. The only caveat with this brand is that they do not support lithium. The key is to check the specs and make sure that it charges at 10 amps per bank. So if your charger only has one set of wires for one battery then that's one bank, so check to see that it charges at around a 10 amp minimum and you should be able to charge your battery in 6 hours or less.
@@DanRichardFishing thank you so much for you help man, truly appreciate that! will continue supporting the channel🙌🏽
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I really liked your show I thought it was very informative and helpful 🤔 explained in plain English🙂 I got a lot out of it you answered a lot of questions I couldn't get anywhere else😁 keep up the good work
Thank you so much Captain!
Very thorough. Enjoyed it very much and all the links provided was a great source as well.
Awesome, thank you!
So let me get this straight. When I do hook up all my fishing equipment on my charter cruiser. I'd hook it to a deep cycle. When I just wanna start my boat, run my lights and listen to music. I'd use a starter battery?
I have a 9.9 Tohatsu 4 stroke. What size cca start battery would you suggest? Used for starting only. Thank you
It's a very small motor, any group 24 marine battery will start it. They're probably like 550CCA and up but it doesn't take anywhere near that turn over a 9.9. A Harley motor for example is like 80HP and a small 450CCA battery is enough to start it. So just a small group 24 is fine.
Well here I am pushing 72 years old and thinking I know all there is I need to know. I've always thought I needed a deep cycle battery as the boat battery. I bought this boat used and replaced the battery right away with a deep cycle. I've been having a miss fire code ever since I had the boat. This just might be way. Put a cranking battery in yesterday. Thanks for teaching this old dog a new trick.
You' very welcome Robert, glad I was able to help. As you said, you do not need a deep cycle for your starting battery as cranking marine battery is a hybrid anyhow. You only need the deep cycle for the trolling motor or other devices that use a lot of power on your boat. I'm not sure that will help with the miss fire code though if I'm being honest. Let me know if that clears up and thank you for the comment!! Hope at 72 I'm still operating a boat and doing some fishing too!! All the best!
@@DanRichardFishing Thanks for reply/comment. Different battery might not fix missfire code problem but it just might. At this point I'll try anything to fix problem. Have replaced every electrical component and spent $1,200 bucks at dealer with no luck. Other than the code I see unburnt fuel on plugs. Funny part is that the engine runs great. No indication of a miss fire. Engine starts right up. Will let you know what happens.
Great review, after charging my battery, how long can i wait to recharge it say if I don't use it with in the month
Generally I leave my onboard chargers plugged in constantly, but if you're not doing that, I would say plug it in once a month or so. I wouldn't go longer than 3 - 4 months.
Extremely helpful! I appreciate you getting right into the basics and simple theory. Subscribed. Keep 'em coming sir. Thank you.
You are very welcome and thank you so much for the sub and kind comments! :)
All of your videos that I have watched so far are super awesome. Keep up the good work.
I have a 22 ft. pontoon 135 mercury and a 80 thrust trolling motor . What is a good budget batterie .
Hi. I doing my van conversion and I looking for best battery for a bank battery. And some one told me the marine battery’s are the best. What you recommen me? Thank
Quick question if u dont mind answering, I just perchased my first 12.5 inflatable boat but im having trouble diciding some things and figuring it out, what battery size would you recommend someone thats either getting a 55lb thrust trolling motor or 62 to 86lb is also confusing for that size of a boat and for someone going on Lakes like Big Bear with just 2 people and light fishing gear?
Great question, I would go with a 55lb 12v trolling motor for a small inflatable, it's more than enough! I know guys using the same thing for 14 foot aluminum boats and are fine with that power. As for battery, I would get the biggest you can seeing as you are relying on that motor and battery for getting around. If you can afford it, go with lithium so you save on the weight. 100AH battery or higher.
I want 100ah led marine cheap battery but i would rather prefer 2 batteries 60ah each so i can spread batteries weight in my inflatable boat .
55lb electric outboard.
Is that ok idea ?
Sure, you want to run 2 smaller batteries in parallel, I don't see why this would be an issue at all.
@@DanRichardFishing not in parallel.
I have 2 batteries sla one starter battery n 1 house battery...l want to replace sla battery with a 12v 50amp lithium battery....do l need something to get the alternator to recharge lithium...
I need one to start my 9.9 and power the trolling motor together
I have a 1975 Bayliner 120 hp OMC motor. What battery should I get ?
Where can I find the circuit breaker for the battery and electronic protection
Is there an easy way to find the trolling motor wires vs fish finder and throttle? Newbie and just bought a used boat. I’d like to get a deep cycle battery for my trolling motor and leave the starter battery by itself
If you have a mess of wires and you're not sure which wires go where, get yourself a continuity tester for tracing wires. You can get cheap ones for less than $30 and they're very easy to use. Here's an inexpensive one that would work: amzn.to/3AskM2d
You just clip one side to the wire at the trolling motor and then use the probe at the battery and when you touch the right wire, it will light up and make a noise.
I'm not sure about your boat, but on most boats I've seen, the wire to the trolling motor is different that all the rest of the wiring of the boat. You should be able to see the wire at the plug or where it's connected to the trolling motor power wire and find that specific gauge and wire sheathing at the battery. If not, get the continuity tester. It's easy and very useful around the house if you need to trace wires.
What battery do I buy to go with the go boats?
Thanks for posting--one question that comes up: "can I run by two battery system with BOTH batteries being deep cycle--and NOT one of them designated as a "starting battery". Answer is, yes you can, though it has the downside of not having as many cold cranking amps to get a stubborn engine running. For sure--it is better to have two deep cycle--than two starting batteries because the starting battery--though "hotter" dos not have the endurance of the deep cycle--but if your deep cycles start your engine just fine--and you have two of them, you should be OK. That does NOT mean it is recommended-what IS recommended is one deep cycle for all the electronics running on the boat--and one "slaved" to the starter, to be red hot (meaning maximum cranking amps) to get the damn thing to start as needed.
Pretty much all VRLA based batteries are pretty much hybrid starting / deep cycle batteries anyway and most purely deep cycle batteries can put out around 650 cranking amps which is fine for most boat outboards. What's important now is that you should not be using deep cycle lithium batteries as a starting battery unless the battery is specifically designed to do both. Most lithium batteries currently on the market are not dual purpose, so be sure to check that out before you buy any lithium batteries that you plan to use to start the big engine. I just did a review of a dual purpose lithium battery that I thought was pretty fantastic, and Miller Tech also makes one.
Hi i have a vfm Sportline rv 12v 80 ah 540 cca battery now i have to charge it but I’m not sure if its a agm battery or normal. Which setting should i use to charge it agm or normal? It would be great if any one can help?
Hi there! Take a look at the big Sportline logo on your battery. If it just says Sportline, then do normal, but if it has AGM in red on the Sportline logo, then you have an AGM model :) Hope that helps!
So... when people quote big battery volts for cars, solar they quote anywhere from 12 Volts up to 13+ volts. Often around 12.5 V.
Is less than 13 V on a new deep battery a problem? I have a hard time getting some of my marine batteries above about 12.4. They were new when I got them. Then I stored them a few months and then used them noticing this. Is it normal for them to be below 13 V?
If they stay working that's fine. But I wondered if less voltage is indicative of a refurbished battery, or damaged battery and how you'd tell? There are stories of people buying new batteries from other companies and then they found out it was refurbished when they looked inside.
And then I wondered how being a marine battery also would affect what voltage you typically see also? (Will marine batteries have less raw volts than car batteries even though they have more capacity?
Hi Noah, these are great questions! In terms of a lead acid based battery (VRLA) it is totally normal for them to be under 13 volts brand new, they should be 12.6 to 12.8 brand new and fully charged and this includes marine batteries with the same technology. If your max voltage on a freshly charged battery is 12.4, then I would say you definitely have an issue with that battery as 12.4 is considered a partially discharged voltage and once you hit 12.1 I would argue you are discharging it too deeply and risking damage.
When you see people talking about 13+ volts on their batteries, they are likely lithium.
Hope that helps!
@@DanRichardFishing Thank you very much.
Would an AGM battery have slightly higher volts like 13+? Seems like there could be a way to have the AGM battery be the lead the power draws from to have some advantages but then have it connected to the other batteries in a system.
What would be a good battery to power led lights for fishing
LEDs draw very little power so you don't need anything too crazy. Are you looking for a battery JUST for your LEDs?
@@DanRichardFishing yes just green lights for crappie fishing and led lights on the inside of the hull so I can see at night
Digging the SMC hat.
Haha thanks! I'm wearing my SMC shirt as I type this :)
Hey Dan, A lot of these batteries don't state the AH. Like the everstart does not mention the ah it only has CCA 845 and in the specs it say 845 AMPS. min kota says the best would be 110 AH for my ENDUA C2 TROLLING MOTER. How do I know the AH on this battery ? EverStart Maxx Marine Battery, Group Size 29DC (12 Volts/845 CCA)
Are you sure they don't state the Reserve Capacity? You can use that to calculate amp hours, I actually show you the exact calculation step by step here ua-cam.com/video/YTl9E-ArZcw/v-deo.html
Also, I am almost positive that Everstart MAXX batteries have a sticker on the top of the battery that states amp hours at 1A. Hope that helps!
I don't get it - what battery you recommend for running electronics? A starting battery??? Why?
Starting batteries for marine applications are hybrid batteries, so they are designed for both starting your boat and for powering electronic devices for a long period of time. For high amperage constant draws such as a trolling motor, you want a dedicated deep cycle battery, built for heavy use. Now, if you don't need a starting battery at all, then just go with a deep cycle - but remember you should never power your fish finder off the same battery as a trolling motor if because of the interference unless you really just can't avoid it.
Hi! Dan....got into a boat fixer upper - getting ready to wire - 17 foot aluminum, 60 hp 4 cycle Mercury - 24v Minncota trolling motor with separate 2 12v deep cycle... Just ask what kind of battery for Cranking and House battery. for house - Bow nav Light, Stern Anchor Lite, Left and right Scotty down riggers, Lawrence GPS/Fish finder, VHF Radio, bilge pump, Live well, What do you recommend for cranking battery and house battery? and what was device to charge up the battery when boat is back home? Thank you
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Lincoln S l s v8, group 55 x2 AGM.
So if you don't use a trolling motor? Car battery?
Hi Mark, you do NOT want to use a car battery, you want to use a standard marine grade battery, which is designed as a hybrid between a starting battery and a deep cell. Car batteries are not designed to act as a deep cell battery for powering electronics, livewells, and other gear on your boat for long periods of time with the engine off. They are also not designed to take the pounding of a boat.
Now if you have a small Jonboat or something and you have nothing to run on the battery and just need it to start your motor, then yes you could get away with a car battery but even then I wouldn't recommend it. Hope that helps!
I have an element e16 with 75 hp outboard with 1 cranking battery 24m-xhd , I want to install a dual battery switch blue sea mini and a 2nd battery. Do these batteries have to be exact same or can I keep my 1 cranking as main and just install a 24 deep cycle everstart to run my stereo when engine is off ? The way I understand it if when my engine is off the system switched to the 2nd battery automatically and as soon as the engine is on both start charging at the same time. Stereo is the only thing I am running when the engine is off.
I'm going to say that no, they do not have to be the same, but I would be weary of any possible overcharging so I would just check the batteries from time to time with a voltage meter and just make sure they are not getting overcharged. A fully charged lead acid battery is 12.7v - 12.8v so just be sure you're not getting numbers higher than that and they are charging evenly.
What would happen if I used a deep cycle battery for my cranking battery? My duel purpose battery died and I have two deep cycle ones. I am hoping I can use one for cranking and one for trolling motor. Thanks.
This is a really good question and the answer is in a pinch yes you can use a deep cycle battery to start your boat, but depending on the size of the engine and how many amps is required to turn it over the deep cycle may not be able to generate the required amperage. If you have a smaller engine like I do like a 50 HP then it should probably work fine, but again it's simply not designed to be a cranking battery. Where the real problems start is if you were to be asking can you use a cranking battery as a deep cycle, and that is a definite No-No. So in short, you can use the deep cycle for now but I would recommend switching to a proper cranking dual-purpose battery when you get a chance.
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Thanks. My motor is a mercury 40hp 4 stroke. And my deep cycle says it has 685 marine cranking amps. I didn’t think a deep cycle had cranking amps at all but after I saw that I thought I might just use it for my cranking and the other deep cycle for my trolling motor.
I saw a battery that claimed to be dual purpose for cranking and starting. Is that safe to use for a trolling motor and my other electronics
Hi there, absolutely! Most Marine batteries that are VRLA (lead acid) are a combination of starting battery and deep cycle, such as marine battery group 24 or 27 batteries. The big fells like deep cycle 31 and 29 are mainly for powering things like a trolling motor. In the case of Lithium, most are not dual purpose so you have to make sure you get the right battery for your application. I have a product review coming up this week that touches on this!
can the battery be charged on an outboard motor. thank for you video
... If I may answer, The starting battery will be charged by the outboard engine during your time on the water when it is running.
Some boats, larger ones, have a "House" battery to power all the electronics. Graphs, bilge pumps, live wells, lights, etc. Depending on how it is wired, the house battery can also be charged with the outboard.
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Keep in mind, the trolling motor battery, batteries, are TOTALLY separate from the Starting and or House batteries.
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Another note, with modern trolling motors it is a good idea (should be mandatory) to unplug the TM cable (plug in up front on a bow mount) when charging the TM battery otherwise it can damage/destroy the circuit board in the TM.
Jeff
So I am late to the game here but I just found a Alumacraft 1648 jon boat and it has a pull start Merc 9.9. I want to add a transom mount trolling motor, 36" shaft and was wondering if you could recommend thrust for general trolling lakes for bass and snakehead. I found your post while searching a battery and was wondering if I could run Nav lights occasionally or phone charger with the same battery used with my trolling motor?
That's a great question and a 12v trolling motor would work great with your boat, a 40lb thrust like the Minn Kota 44Lb Endura would do a great job! This might sound like a silly question but why not troll with the 9.9? A 9.9 is a perfect kicker and great for trolling, I would think that would work fine. You can definitely run your nav lights and a phone charger off the same battery, just make sure you get a full size group 31 battery for max amp hours or maybe even consider a lithium battery. I'm about to review one and test it with exactly this kind of trolling motor to see how much it drains the battery. I should have that video up in a couple of weeks :) Only thing you don't want to run off the same battery as your trolling motor is a fish finder, otherwise you get the interference. Hope that helps!
Optima blue tops or Interstate deep cycles. Love them both.
Edit: Amperage is pulled, not pushed. Voltage is pushed, not pulled. When voltage goes up, amperage goes down. Batteries do not push amps, they just have a limit on how many amps they can handle being pulled out of them before over heating and/or failing.
I'm currently running interstate and even though they seem to have a bad rap, mine have worked perfectly. And yes amps are pulled by the electric device connected. I believe it's called ohm's law. If I said otherwise I probably just misspoke, it's not always easy putting these videos together when you're trying to concentrate on lighting and camera and audio and making sure your words are all straight as well LOL! Usually if I catch an error while I'm editing I put a little subtitle to correct myself 🤣
Hey Dan! Recently started following. I was charging my 3 interstate batteries with my pro sport HD 20 - 3 channel. One of my batteries began hissing and was extremely hot. The charger didn’t indicate any issues but it freaked me out while changing oil haha. Is this a normal thing or is a new battery needed? Appreciate your help and love the videos
I have a aqua marina T-18 trolling motor..Is a 12V 18AH deep cycle battery ok and how long will the battery last in one full charge? Thanks
Hi Robert, great question! I did a video on how to calculate amp hours and how long your battery will last on your electronics step by step at ua-cam.com/video/YTl9E-ArZcw/v-deo.html so I highly recommend you check that out! For your trolling motor, the specs say that it draws 14 amps and assuming your battery is a regular lead acid battery and you should not fully discharge it past 30 - 40% you would around an hour of use on an 18AH battery. I would HIGHLY recommend you look at lithium batteries if you are looking for a small, light battery with max output. Hope that helps!
Looking to add a battery to push my marine stereo and I'm lost any suggestions have stereo head unit ,400w amp, and 4 6.5 speakers. Have a few led s. And a helix
Hi Donnie, great question regarding your stereo system! So this would run off the main starting battery of your boat so you'll want a group 24 or 27 marine starting battery but bear in mind, a stereo on the boat is similar to a stereo in a car. If you run it for a very long time without the engine turned on, you risk draining your battery and not being able to fire up the motor. Check out my other battery video here: ua-cam.com/video/YTl9E-ArZcw/v-deo.html and it shows you how to calculate how long a battery can power your devices. Towards the end of the video it shows you also how to convert watts to amps so you can actually take the power consumption of your stereo and helix, add it up together and figure out exactly how many amps your system consumes and how long your battery can power it. Don't worry about they LEDs, they consume almost nothing and don't really have much of an impact. Hope that helps!!
I just obtained a little 10 ft Jon boat with a 30lb thrust trolling motor. Can i hook my little fish finder up to a deep cycle battery as well?
Hi Brian, technically you can do this but I always recommend not running your fish finder from your trolling motor battery because you risk getting heavy interference every time your trolling motor is running. Give it a shot and if you see you're getting heavy interference on your screen you might want to pick up a small lightweight lithium battery just for running your electronics. Good luck!
@@DanRichardFishing i'm new at this stuff...thanks a bunch
@@brianwilson8119 Your very welcome, enjoy your new boat!!!
I put two 27 DC Ever start batteries from Walmart on my dodge 2500 decil engine.The truck used two batteries. They have a sticker on them that says they are Deep Cycle maintainous free but they both has acid in them. They did a great job for almost three years and always started my truck cold weather or hot weather. The truck use to pull a large home trailer. I replaced the batteries with the same type 27DC batteries that was on it. they worked Ok and lasted about three years . The batteries went bad after a year of sitting up and not driving it with a 1.5 amp charger on it. After a year of sitting up they wouldn't start the truck and they were out of acid. I put some water in them but they still wouldn't start the truck so I replaced them with two of the same type 27 DC Deep cycle, both use acid . The last batteries lasted almost three years. They were about 100 dollars Cheaper so I decided to use the same type again. Surly they want hurt the truck and they seem to work just fine. Everyone is telling me I did the wrong thing.
I'm not reading anything here that seems to hurt the truck. The fact that your batteries were dry is odd, I'm wondering if your trickle charger was overcharging them or something. It is a good idea if you're using VRLA batteries and it's liquid to check them after they've been idle on a charger for a long time. Even maintenance free batteries should be checked unless they are completely sealed.
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Thanks for the reply, I'm not sure they had enough acid in them to start with, I didn't check and should have. Thanks again for the reply, it shows you really care about your viewers.
i have a 1975 Johnson 135 V4, what do you think would be my best option? i have it on 17ft older ranger bass boat
Hi Kyle, it really depends on your budget! If you just need a starting battery and run a few basic electronics off it, nothing wrong with a Everstart Maxx marine battery from Walmart in the group 24 or 27 size!
@@DanRichardFishing Thanks for the reply! i appreciate the help ✊🏻✊🏻
Great video, and thank you. I have yet to see anyone address battery types and the "mixing" of them. i.e. Tying the batteries together, either permanently (in series to create 24v) or temporarily (switching to both batteries) in parallel combining for emergent starting or just charging (at 12v with both batteries). What are the possible adverse effects by tying a gel cell , deep cycle, AGM, standard wet cell starting or Lithium batteries in series or parallel? Can one damage the other?
This is a great question, thank you for asking about this and it's subject to a LOT of debate. As far as I've heard, there is no harm in mixing AGM/GEL/Flooded batteries in parallel or series, it's more of a question of does your charging system support those battery types and can it autodetect which is which. If you DO mix batteries and can't auto-select, then set the system to AGM. The only ones I would NOT mix is Lithium, I would definitely suggest you always run them separately and if you need to use a lithium battery that is rated for cranking, I would jumper it, not wire it in parallel.
With that said, I would NOT recommend mixing up your batteries like this when in a permanent parallel or series setup because you risk overdraining the weaker battery and shortening it's overall lilfespan. AGM, GEL and Flooded are not supposed to drain to less than 30% or 40% charge or you shorten it's lifespan, so if you have two very different batteries, the weaker one will get drained excessively so I always recommend matching batteries in multi-battery setups.
Hope that helps!!
great video dan - i like that you covered everything based on your specific application, and budget. not everyone can afford top notch items. i wanted to let you know, i had the same issues with my walmart (everstart) batterys just last weekend. was out on the lake, and after little over and hour, the trolling motor battery lost major power, checked my digital gauge, and it was like at 8.5 volts, dang it. so pulled over, switched batteries, and my second battery, same one, was fine. got home, and after some inspection, found out that you can remove the large sticker and there are large screw caps underneath, popped them off, and it was completely dry. so filled with distilled water, and seems to be holding charge, will find out next time on the lake. but it was only 2 years old, where did the fluid go, never saw leaks or water lying around, took them in house over the winter due to the cold. so we shall see. but invested in the promariner series on board charger, so hopefully this will help, and not have to remove them. great instructions. keep up good work
Hi Rob, thank you so much for your feedback and for your sharing your battery situation. That is crazy that you lost all the fluid of the battery in a couple of years! I had a set of Walmart batteries that were 5 years old and when I changed them, they were still full! It's great that you refilled them with the distilled water, did it save the battery? What were you using to charge the batteries before the promariner? Only thing I can think of it that your battery was being overcharged, which breaks down the water inside at an accelerated rate in to hydrogen and oxygen gas and it escapes the housing. The issue is that it depletes electrolyte levels in the battery. This causes the concentration of the sulfuric acid in the electrolyte to greatly increase and then that damages the battery plates and reduces the battery life. Hopefully you were able to salvage a bit more life from it! Thanks again for the comment, take care!
@@DanRichardFishing hey, thanks for replying. Very welcome for sharing, this is how we all learn.
I was able to save the battery, or let say it's working for now, will see next season, lol. But it's holding a charge and was out several times since and seemed to be fine.
As for what I used before the promariner, just 3 1.5-4.0 mini charger maintainers, they seemed ok but took forever, but seemed like the battery was always loosing fluid like Maybe over heating.
But so far love the promariner, great item and thank you for your honesty and review
Excellent video, great tutorial! Thanks.
Everstart exploded in the boat during a day of rough water on lake Ontario. Was only a year old. Never again, motomaster for a few years, no problems
Wow, that's crazy, did you ever contact them to tell them? I'm the opposite, nothing but great results with Everstarts and not so great motomaster ones. I find the Nautilus line a bit overpriced, but I have one anyway because I was desperate lol! To be fair, it has been working well so far!
@@DanRichardFishing I did contact them and there response was "you must've tampered with it". That was the end of that
@@lostcanadian1240 I can see why you'd never touch them again, yeesh 🤔
What I'd like to see you do is taking Odyssey battery charger for AGM batteries charge a deep cycle battery with it to see if the battery charger detects it and puts the right voltage in it and I heard a lot of people got screwed on this battery charger because I just got off the UA-cam with this person that had one now if you have a week deep cycle battery or any kind of weak car battery figure out whether the Odyssey battery charger will work on it or not and tell me if it puts it up to exact voltage or it doesn't?
Very helpful presentation!
Thank you so much!
I have a question? I have 3 batteries on the same 3 bank systems as you do. I have 3 electric winches which are ran on each battery. Now, it's time to get new batteries a old friend has been trying to talk me into getting 3 semi batteries at 1000 cca instead of the deep cycle 750 cca batteries I have now. What's your thoughts?
If you're not starting a large motor with the batteries, I see no reason why you need to focus on the CCA rating. Go for max amp hours (or reserve capacity) and don't even worry about the CCA rating. CCA ratings of 1000 etc are numbers used to advertise starting batteries for large diesel engines and such.
Hey brother I do have a question think I do need your help. I have 4K 65 in TV which battery can I use but I need even solar panel. but I don't know much about solar panel. and I don't know much about batteries please I need your help.
Hi Amani, OK your setup is quite a bit different because a battery is 12v DC and a TV in North America is 120v AC. You will need to get a 12v power inverter to power the TV off a battery and you'll need to check the wattage of the TV to ensure the inverter can handle the load. Here's a little article that explains it a bit more: www.12volt-travel.com/travel/products/power-inverters/how-to-power-a-tv-with-a-car-battery.html#:~:text=If%20you%20would%20like%20to,power%20inverter%20can%20plug%20into. Hope that helps!
@@DanRichardFishing thank you brother I really appreciate it. yes it works for me. now I understand. Thank you for everything you do. we appreciate and we are happy.🙏🙏👍
@@amanikamana1287 My pleasure, glad I could help! Good luck with your project :)
I run my tolling motor and fish finder on the same battery. I do not get any interference hmm
Lucky devil ;)
Great video. Thanks for the info.
Thanks so much!
Nice, what about the Dual Purpose, like Nautilus Exide Dual Purpose batteries. Do you have any experience with them? I use them for accessories like winches, as well as a backup starting trucks.
I have not used or really heard anything either way on the Exide series, but I have used the Nautilus brand from Canadian Tire in my boat but I don't believe they are the same company. That battery was great until I accidentally left my boat console lights on and completely killed the battery and I was not able to recover it. What's worse is I only discovered it was totally drained when I got to the ramp and I tried to trim up my motor. DOH! Learned that lesson... now I always check power before I leave the house by giving the trim switch a quick tap lol
How about a video on installing a fish finder
I've done some older install videos but never a transducer. I do have some upgrades coming up in the spring and will be updating my boat's transducer, so I'll have new content on that in early 2022 if all goes well :)
Can you please give me a update on the speakers that I had bought for bike it's not a motorcycle it is a real bike with a motor on it I already hooked up the speakers and everything to it but I need to know what kind of battery can I buy to connect it to a gohawk TT3 if you can please let me know thank you
Sorry I'm a little confused... you said it's not a motorcycle but it's a bike with a motor on it. So wouldn't that be a motorcycle? ;) I'm curious how the electricals work on it or is it a pull start engine kind of thing? You should be able to find smaller lithium ion ebike batteries on Amazon than you can attach to the bike, that should work great. Something like this that weighs less than 4 pounds: amzn.to/2KblBXp
Just remember that you will need to manually charge the battery if your motorized bike doesn't have an electrical system that has a battery hookup/alternator charging system. Hope that helps!
Is there a need to put the trolling batteries in a battery power box and also having the onboard charger on them? Whats your thoughts?
If you have a jon boat or a small craft that doesn't have a battery compartment, I would definitely keep the battery in a battery box to keep the terminals and connections protected from the elements and from getting hit with equipment, your feet etc. I'm not a fan of having a battery just loose in the boat. For the onboard charger, I went without one for a long time but it was just so annoying after each trip to pull out the chargers, clamp them on, and then remove everything and stow them when I wanted to fish. It's just so much easier to park the boat and plug in your extension cord to the bank charger and walk away and then when you're ready to go out, just unplug and drive off :) Hope that helps!
Hello I’m new in the the boating hobby hahaha i have a question I bought the intex inflatable Excursion 5 with the Minn Kota Endura Max 55lb what description of battery do I need to search for ? I don’t want to die right away, but I don’t want to spend a lot $ Do you recommend group 31 for the capacity of the motor I’m extremely confused 🤷🏼♀️ Thank You !
Hi Mery, what's the payload capacity of the boat? If a Group 29 or 31 isn't too big for the boat and you want to spend as little as possible, I always recommend the good ol' Everstart Maxx marine deep cycle battery at Walmart for the best bang for your buck. Check it out at www.walmart.com/ip/EverStart-Maxx-Marine-Battery-Group-Size-29DC-12-Volts-845-CCA/20531539 hope that helps!
@@DanRichardFishing thank u soo much for answering back !!! Yes I did look for the one in your link, but its sold out second option u might have ? (Item description Intex Excursion 5 measures 12.5 feet in length and 5.5 feet and carrying capacity of 1,000 pounds) thank you again!!!
Thank you for the tutorial. It was very helpful and informative
You're very welcome thank you for the comment!
For the Noco genius battery maintainer do you have to take the batteries out to charge them? Because I haven't taken them out. Just wondering if I'm doing it wrong
Absolutely not, you can leave the batteries in. Just clamp them on and charge. If you have a trolling motor connected, unplug it when charging.
Hey! Great Video. I’ve got a manual start motor. Do electronics/accessories still have to be on a starting battery or can they be on a deep cycle similar to a trolling motor. Trolling motor is on its own battery.
If you don't need a marine starting battery, then you can definitely go with a deep cycle for all your other accessories :) As you mentioned, just make sure your trolling motor is on a dedicated battery. Hope that helps! :)
i have a 40lb thrust minn kota trolling motor. ive just had a 12 volt marine battery from bi-mart for the last 6 months and lately it dies after like 30 min of fishing and i dont know why. i charge it all night on a trickle charger. i dont really understand what battery or battery charger to use
Hi Mario! Does your trickle charger have a status system that shows you if the battery is fully charged and in maintenance mode? If your charger is connected for a few days and you still only get 30 minutes of power, sounds like your battery is done and needs to be replaced (only 6 months old should be under warranty). You may be draining it too deeply, which can greatly shorten the lifespan of your battery. What kind of boat do you have and do you take the battery out each time or leave it in? What model battery is it?
@@DanRichardFishing yeah so my trickle charger will usually turn green when it’s fully charged, I think my battery just was done because I drained it and wouldn’t charge it enough, I just replaced it with the same one it’s just a bi Mart marine battery 12 volt. I wild usually take it out of my boat and charge it before using it. Should I put it on the charger right away after I’m done and keep it charging for a few days or until I want to fish again? How often do I need to charge?
I have a 10 foot jon boat and use a minn Kota 40 lb thrust trolling motor
Also my battery doesn’t say deep cycle, it just says marine/rv. The deep cycle one was bigger and more expensive, should I get the deep cycle
@@mariojacobson4886 Hi Mario, these are great questions and you you should always keep your boat plugged in to the tender, it certainly won't hurt it and you'll know it's always charged, and you definitely want to plug it in as soon as you get home. Get yourself a smart battery charger that will do charging, maintenance and testing so not only will it keep your battery optimized, but it will tell you as soon as your battery is starting reach end of life. You have a small boat so I don't know if I would go with a bank charger but definitely get a good charger you can rely on like a NOCO battery charger.
Nice video. I have a evinrude 115ho engine. What kind of battery is best?