5 MYTHS About 17th Century Costuming! 👀

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  • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
    @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +3

    Help support this channel by buying me a coffee 🧡☕☕ ko-fi.com/fantasticalfollies

  • @RychaardRyder
    @RychaardRyder Місяць тому +8

    I’m SO GLAD SOMEONE SAID IT, spiral lacing is easier to adjust and that is the hill I will die on REPEATEDLY. I kept my stays corsets etc spiral laced for as long as i theoretically could, upto past the 1840s! A lot of people panic because they don’t k ow how to tie a single end and they just end up wrapping the cord around their waist multiple times! But really I learned a very secure technique were you “crochet” the end using your finger and the last lacing its sounds more complicated than it actually is

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      I've never heard of folks doing that lol, but I'll fully agree on the fact that I prefer spiral lacing!!

  • @audramullen9878
    @audramullen9878 Місяць тому +11

    I'd love to see a video about grading patterns digitally!

  • @kalka1l
    @kalka1l Місяць тому +10

    I would also love a digital pattern grading video from your perspective and know how.

  • @EAhighlander-vf7rr
    @EAhighlander-vf7rr Місяць тому +10

    Definitely…please pretty please….a digital sizing up video for those of us who wobble at the thought of digital enlarging. 😂

  • @fleursatelier
    @fleursatelier Місяць тому +5

    HOW DO YOU ONLY HAVE SO „LITTLE“ VIEWS??? YOU DESERVE AT LEAST THOUSANDS!!!!!

  • @KristaHarrisSB
    @KristaHarrisSB Місяць тому +7

    Thanks for your video, I would love to see more about the 17th century.

  • @sElfmadecreations
    @sElfmadecreations Місяць тому +5

    Every single of your 17th century videos makes me so happy and excited to get further with my costuming. And it's so great and important you're debunking some of the myths.
    Just finished my petticoat this week and will start on the bodies soonish.

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      Aw, yay! I'm so glad you enjoy them!! And YAY for getting your petticoat done! That's awesome!
      And yeah, totally legit. And really it's only maybe 30% the cost. It's 70% spending money on something I already have and will never use PLUS the 40+ hours it takes to make a 20 minute video, if only a handful of people are going to actually watch it. Especially, as you said, since we don't know if it's good. So we'll see if there's interest or not!

    • @sElfmadecreations
      @sElfmadecreations Місяць тому +1

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming That makes a lot of sense. I've been skirting around the pattern for a while now as well, but never saw anyone use it before so I felt the long road of scaling up one of the garments in Patterns of Fashion would be safer (albeit exhausting because of the sizing)
      Good luck and lots of fun for the next projects 🤗

  • @LixiaWinter
    @LixiaWinter Місяць тому +3

    List of events I wore my historical garments when there's no specific event:
    - concert of a music band
    - bar crawling with the girlies
    - corporate event
    - bachata dance party

  • @user-vp7dj7ef1g
    @user-vp7dj7ef1g Місяць тому +3

    Yes, please, please do a video on how to grade up a pattern from patterns of fashion using a scanner. I've got the patterns of fashion books and trying to manually grade them up has been of putting to my starting the project I've been planning. Thank you.

    • @cassmacdonald-perfectlyimp2486
      @cassmacdonald-perfectlyimp2486 Місяць тому +1

      Also this!! I think Dixie DIY has done something on this as well, but I’d love a step by step to save to my costuming folder.
      I should also treat myself to the new edition of one of the Janet Arnold books too

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +3

      Ok, noted! Thanks for letting me know!
      Dixie's tutorials are great. She always does a good job. And you totally should get the new versions of POF if you can. They're really nice and expanded! I have both versions of 1.

  • @dcruz3126
    @dcruz3126 Місяць тому +2

    I’m so excited about this! I love the periods from about 1550 to late 1600s and I find very little information or patterns. Reconstructing History has a few options but nothing really 17th century specific. I love that you’re thinking of making your own patterns, I have no idea what that process looks like but I’d love to help if I can at all!

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      Yay, so glad you're exciting! RH is...a nightmare, especially if you're on the larger size of their size range because the scaling is atrocious, which is why I never mention them in my videos 😪 It's a shame, really.
      And thank you for the offer! I'll keep that in mind! It's something I'm gonna have to build to but I'm hoping to have a firmer idea of it by the end of the year.

  • @cbw900
    @cbw900 Місяць тому +2

    Mr. Visual-Enjoyer-Never-Sewer here again. I'll still listen to you talk about 17th century costuming anytime. Real-world experience of stuff like how hard it is to pick something off the floor (and the relative ease of getting the busk out from the bottom) is really interesting.
    I am OBSESSED with the masc fits of the era and actually shrieked when that graphic came up. 👀 Might there be a followup to Hook...?
    BTW, much love for your captions!

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      Yay! I'm so happy you find it interesting!!
      Hook will definitely happen at some point, it's one of those costumes I've wanted to do for a looooong time. When, though, I'm not sure. It's a huge and costly project, one with skills I'm still working towards 🤣 Starting with something a little easier--1660's, which will probably start late this year. Possibly the demon Crowley, because the idea of him dressing in all those ribbons tickles the heck out of me 🤣🤣🤣
      And I'm glad you like the captions! They take HOURS, so it's nice to know it's appreciated ☺️

    • @cbw900
      @cbw900 Місяць тому

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming 1660s CROWLEY DROWNING IN RIBBONS!!!! Is it going to be from before the justacorps?
      I can only imagine how annoying captions are to do by hand but they're much easier for me to read than auto-genned ones, so I appreciate it every time creators take the time to make them ❤

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      @@cbw900 Yup, pre-justacorps, so think like...petticoat breeches and swishy capes and ALL THE MOTHERFING RIBBONS. I'm glad you appreciate them, too. YT makes the process pretty excruciating, and I question every time whether it's worth it 😪

  • @robintheparttimesewer6798
    @robintheparttimesewer6798 8 днів тому

    I once said I would make some hats for a friend’s mom. Then spent a lot of time freaking out cause she was a retired home economics teacher!! She loved the hats and never said anything about my less than perfect construction!
    Your gown is stunning.

  • @melissel5648
    @melissel5648 Місяць тому +2

    So exited about your future video(s) about masculine clothing from this era and about seeing your own patterns 😊
    I don't think reviewing the Nehenalia is necesserily worth it tbh but the grading pattern one definitely, we can use two of them because people explain things differently so it's always helpful. Especially if you won't do it about the same exact method!

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      Awesome!!! Glad both those appeal to you!
      Yeah, I have been debating the Nehelenia thing and how valuable it would really be. There does seem to be some interest, and a lot of interest in the grading one!

  • @KathleenStidham
    @KathleenStidham Місяць тому +1

    I don’t know if you are aware how AMAZINGLY HELPFUL and ENCOURAGING this video was for me today. Illness and mobility are part of my daily life, and I was considering NOT doing “the thing” I was so excited about last summer (an event this coming October). But you are right. I can give it a go - I don’t need to make excuses for why I cannot get started (and it’s time to stop planning and just get on with it!). So, Thank you. A LOT.❤

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому

      You're so very welcome! I'm glad this was helpful for you! Good luck with your making ☺️

  • @Melavara
    @Melavara Місяць тому +2

    I love how much you love the 17th century! Even for eras where I like… might get to it eventually but it’s not one of my special interests at the moment, I love watching and learning about other eras!

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      I'm so glad to hear that!! I know it's not to everyone's taste, so I appreciate that you still enjoy learning about it!

    • @Melavara
      @Melavara Місяць тому +2

      I’m currently too deep in the weeds in late 16th century so every time I try to get into 17th it looks just a little off 😂

  • @OcarinaSapphr-
    @OcarinaSapphr- Місяць тому +3

    Are you really going to have a pattern collaboration like Angela Clayton does?! Awesome!
    We probably feel 'uncomfortable' in period clothing, because we're so used to things like slouching & squishy furniture - I've seen how bodices were cut; they seem to naturally pull our shoulders back into a better posture- that's not necessarily a _bad_ thing...

    • @kerriemckinstry-jett8625
      @kerriemckinstry-jett8625 Місяць тому +2

      My 1780s dress is based off a pattern pulled from a dress in Fort Sumter (open robe, I think). It has two shoulder options: 18th century & modern. There's a diagram to show where the ideal shoulder position is for each option. I had to laugh because you do not get away with modern posture in ballet class!

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      Definitely patterns, definitely not a collaboration with the Big 4 ,because I am a very small influencer, but maybe one of the smaller indie ones! We'll see. So far people have not been as able to see the potential as I am, so 🤷‍♀️
      And you're right, it's a much better posture! For everything but driving it's actually quite nice.

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      @kerriemckinstry-jett8625 As a former ballet instructor, I can honestly say...no. No you do not 😂

  • @caroljames2688
    @caroljames2688 Місяць тому +1

    Great information on 17th century costuming. Please show me how to scale up a grided pattern using a flatbed scanner, the struggle is real.

  • @minettecasca2929
    @minettecasca2929 29 днів тому +1

    On the subject of front closures, we actually have some nice genre paintings that depict women doing up their front-closing bodices during the 17th century - my favorite is "Woman Lacing her Bodice Beside a Cradle" by Pieter de Hooch, which shows a woman putting on a front closing bodice followed by a front-closing jacket. Double front closures!

  • @paulinetrivago.7540
    @paulinetrivago.7540 22 дні тому

    Honestly its so nice to see more people talk about the 17th century, i would Honestly love to see you break down the century decade by decade

  • @stormraynes1707
    @stormraynes1707 Місяць тому +6

    It was the Golden Age of Piracy walk the plank and jump in.

  • @Lady9tails
    @Lady9tails Місяць тому

    Thank you for this talk. I needed the push. While I am not fully invested into 17th century garments. I do love historical costuming but have I made anything? Sadly no. But I am going to change that. Thank you again and yes please show how to size up garments digitally. 💜💜💜

  • @blacktulip1064
    @blacktulip1064 Місяць тому

    Awesome video! Thank you for busting all of those ridiculous myths! I recall a popular UA-cam creator claiming that the entire 17th century is a complete waste-of-time; the period with the ugliest and most difficult clothing (not at all like mid-18th century court dress which they considered to be the ultimate in beauty). I would like to see a video about digital grading; that's something that scares me but I would like to understand. And I LOVE men's clothing from late in the century and would be happy to see you do some videos on it. If you are able to create patterns in the future, I of course would be delighted to purchase them. All of your 17th century videos have been so helpful! 🥰 🧡 💙

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      Really? Which one? They CLEARLY don't know what they're talking about 🙄🙄🤣
      Thanks for your input, and so glad you enjoyed it!

  • @lesleyharris525
    @lesleyharris525 Місяць тому

    Love your dress, looks amazing on you, A digital sizing video would be great to watch even though I know i would not wear that style of dress. ❤

  • @GreenMartha
    @GreenMartha Місяць тому +4

    (typing a comment right at the beginnign of the video) Sarah Bendall has reconstructed a pair of higher class 17th century stays that was restricting arm movement, as the stays went down the social ladder with second-hand use, the wearer just stopped wearing the straps. Voilà, problem solved !

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      Oh, cool! Where does she have that? I follow her everywhere but don't remember coming across it!

    • @GreenMartha
      @GreenMartha Місяць тому +1

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming in her book Shaping Feminity

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      @@GreenMartha Oooh snap I keep forgeting she has that! I need to add that to my list 🤐

  • @nian60
    @nian60 Місяць тому

    Yes to grading pattern video, please. 😃 I haven't tried it but I would guess it's easier with a scanner.

  • @elizabethsloan3192
    @elizabethsloan3192 Місяць тому +1

    Osprey books has a good resource for English Civil War uniforms, at least the looks. Your dress is gorgeous.

  • @Celcey24
    @Celcey24 Місяць тому

    I would love a video on grading through scanning, since I don’t have a projector but I do have digital books

  • @therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar
    @therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar Місяць тому +1

    13:38 yes please!

  • @liav4102
    @liav4102 Місяць тому +2

    I feel like a challenge to come up with event themes/ideas is in order. Which means I’m going to have to broaden my knowledge of the century considerably.
    First idea: there was a group of French women writers who were writing fairy tales. Looks like there are 68 to choose from, perhaps some sort of writing retreat/performance art. People could use one of the stories as inspiration for creating a costume, writing a short story, reading/performing one of the tales.

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      That would be so much fun!!! I love that!
      Maybe I'll do a community challenge in the next upcoming weeks and see what everyone comes up with 🤩

  • @AlexYorim
    @AlexYorim Місяць тому +1

    That 17th century dress made me think of an 1830s /1840s gown.

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      Absolutely! There are definitely a lot of similarities, I'm sure they were inspired somewhat by the 1660's!

  • @wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
    @wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 Місяць тому

    8:00 I just put a corset on myself just now! But hey, steampunks and goths were our corsets and stays on the outside too! I own both! For historical events AND subcultural stuff! Multi task!

  • @nian60
    @nian60 Місяць тому

    Wow, that's Maria Euphresyne at 12:44. 😃 So cool that you included her. 😊 Other nice 17th century portraits from Sweden are of Maria Sofia De la Gardie (1627 - 1694) and Drottning Kristina (Queen Kristina, 1626 - 1686). There is a portrait of Kristina in metal armour, which I think is really cool. Maria Sofia was accused of being a witch.

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      Oh, awesome! I'm going to have to look at those portraits!

    • @nian60
      @nian60 Місяць тому

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming Great. 😃

  • @dancooper-jones
    @dancooper-jones Місяць тому +3

    I will happily purchase and send this pattern to you, if it's something people want to see. no cost to you for any part of it. you would be using it to teach, and others would be getting something out of it too, so I'm happy to invest in the eduction aspect. something for you to think about...

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      That's very kind of you! The catch is though, it's only maybe 30% the cost. It's 70% spending money on something I already have and will never use, PLUS the 40+ hours it takes to make a 20 minute video, if only a handful of people are going to actually watch it. Especially because I have more video ideas than capacity to make videos, so I'd have to boot something else that might be more interesting! So we'll see how many folks express interest ☺️

    • @dancooper-jones
      @dancooper-jones Місяць тому +1

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming if you do decide to do it, because of the interest, just shoot me a message. I'll either buy and post it to you, or put the money into you Ko-fi, whichever you prefer. I understand the extra time that has to go into making these things, and then the editing etc for YT, so the end video has to be worth it.

  • @nian60
    @nian60 Місяць тому

    That would be so cool if you made your own pattern! 🙂 I hope it will be available in PDF. 😊

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      For sure! No paper patterns--too expensive to produce!! Plus there's the headache of figuring out shipping...euggghhh!

    • @nian60
      @nian60 Місяць тому

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming Yes paper patterns are a pain when shopping from other continents. 😄Great to hear you'll use PDF instead. 🙂

  • @kerriemckinstry-jett8625
    @kerriemckinstry-jett8625 Місяць тому +1

    All clothes, historical or modern, do need to fit you well in order to be comfortable. It doesn't have to be perfect fit, but it needs to be decent. I struggle with that.
    All clothes with back closures of any type, be it lacing, zipper, or hooks & eyes, are definitely easier to put on if you have someone helping you.
    Someday I definitely want to tackle a later 17th century dress. I think I need to look at pictures to get inspiration, though. Also, I got way sidetracked this summer painting minis. 😂 Hey, it's fun & I'm learning a lot.
    Early 17th century clothing has zero appeal for me. In my state at least, that era is dominated by the Pilgrims. Their clothes weren't exactly known for pizzaz. You probably could go to the living history museums dressed like that & they'd appreciate it, but why would you want to when the later 17th century clothes look so much cooler?

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      I agree, not a huge fan of the first half of the century for the most part!

    • @kerriemckinstry-jett8625
      @kerriemckinstry-jett8625 Місяць тому +1

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming Do you have favorite sources of inspiration? Velasquez paintings, etc? I kind of glance through art of the period to see if anything catches my eye.

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +2

      @@kerriemckinstry-jett8625 Generally I'm into French stuff, so think Louis XIV-era portraiture. Also for later, there's the Recueil des modes de la cour de France, which is a series of fashion plates you can Google, they're all on the LACMA website (though CW: like a lot of art of the time, some of them are very, VERY colonist-centric, so if that's triggering to you I would suggest passing on looking through those plates.)

    • @kerriemckinstry-jett8625
      @kerriemckinstry-jett8625 Місяць тому +1

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming Thank you! 😊

    • @kerriemckinstry-jett8625
      @kerriemckinstry-jett8625 Місяць тому

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming Hi! Those fashion plates from the book at the LACMA are definitely interesting. There's a much wider variety of colors, patterns, & necklines than I would have expected. There's a lot of interesting draping of overdresses, too. There's a very fetching striped number and several very pretty blue and red combos, among others. An interesting resource for sure! Thank you for mentioning it.
      You're right that the colonialism aspect of some plates is... Yeah.

  • @alexiscarlton1355
    @alexiscarlton1355 Місяць тому

    Lovely :D. DO the THING!:D.

  • @therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar
    @therewillbecatswithgwenhwyfar Місяць тому +1

    Where do we find the costume calendar????

  • @lizardqueen47
    @lizardqueen47 Місяць тому

    Has anyone tried Reconstructing History’s 17th century patterns? I like the look of their 1630 pattern, but have heard that they’re difficult.

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому +1

      I used several back in the early days, when I didn't know any better. There's a reason I chose not to mention them, and that's because...they're not good. 0% recommend. Especially in regards to pattern grading, they do not scale up well at all, and the instructions aren't easy to follow. You're much better off using the V&A 17th century books, ESPECIALLY if you're interested in the first half of the century. Don't waste your money on RH.

    • @lizardqueen47
      @lizardqueen47 Місяць тому

      @@FantasticalFolliesCostuming Good to know. Thanks for the advice!

  • @ah5721
    @ah5721 Місяць тому

    you look fabulous in that eras clothing 😍 I would look flatter than a pancake in front😮‍💨 but I have the body for 1940s fashion plate .. . I would say well fitting clothing makes people look great , but nothing is perfect even extant garments!

  • @wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
    @wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 Місяць тому

    Us steampunk make our own events. Marie Antoinette tea parties! Pseudo Shepherdess outing? :)

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому

      Sound like fun events! For the 18th century, at least ;) but there are plenty of those already.

  • @wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
    @wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 Місяць тому

    Why aren’t there patterns made bigger than an European size 16? :/ I am busty and just a few inches off the regular pattern which drives me nuts.

    • @FantasticalFolliesCostuming
      @FantasticalFolliesCostuming  Місяць тому

      Yeah, it's pretty rotten that it's so limited in size range. Kind of one of the reasons I'm reluctant to tout that particular pattern!

    • @VH-in9jj
      @VH-in9jj Місяць тому +1

      This is why pattern adjustment is the most important skill you'll ever teach yourself. I'm a "size" 0-16 depending on what part of my body youmeasue (I'm one of those big boobs, wide hips but tiny talle ladies 😅)

    • @wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396
      @wildmarjoramdieselpunk6396 Місяць тому

      @@VH-in9jj I have a larger bust, but small shoulders and arms.

  • @rivergalen4020
    @rivergalen4020 Місяць тому +3

    I love fruitcake. Done is better than perfect.

  • @nelliewerger5505
    @nelliewerger5505 Місяць тому +2

    I love fruit cake