Same dude, got an x870e, 9800x3d and a nitro+ vapour 7900xt (sapphire with 20gb v ram, I got it for less than £800). All in, these 3 components are less than a 5090 wich I wanted to try and get but obviously that was less than a 1% chance. Now, so happy with my purchases and still have money to spend, saved about £1200 not going Nvidia. Set for a while now. Just deciding on case, thinking antec flux with all noctua build, and how many TB of m.2s I want. F Nvidia. They gave up on rendering for AI and forgot gamers made their company. I've been using amd for everything else for years and finally made the gpu switch and dude, the savings, the performance, the peace of mind, the style... AMD IS IT.
Purchased a 7900 XTX a month ago for around $820, couldn’t be happier with it . Even when I was on nvidia I preferred the extra 30 frames to ray tracing . When it’s cool.. it’s cool but.. eh . It’s not at all point yet where I’m willing to set a tent up outside of a microcenter and spend 2k .
Being honest from a previous 3090 user........... I sold a 6950 xt I had to try nvidia again (hence the 3090 mention) and while I used it.. RT was cool and all but... Even then I turned it off in ALMOST EVERYTHING. Its NOT what I got the game for. I got w/e game to enjoy it.. as it is.. a game.. Not chasing realism in a real world of which im already sitting in.. So I've been back with AMD having a 7900 xt and now XTX and yeah, just solid.. Best purchase considering I got my xtx for 750 open box lol and as for that XT? pfft.. traded that 3090 for it... lol Bottom line. RT is cool and all.. but im sick of it being the selling point in games now. I say go with what gets you performance to PLAY the game in a playable area, Stop sweating about RT tech in its own.. its NOT worth it and wears off quickly..
@@FatherLambthe good thing about Nvidia is that softwares(like recording and editing) are simply optimised for it. In the future maybe AMD will be amazing in its own right but honestly after a lot of research I’m probably going with a 4070 super instead of a 7900GRE. About the same price, better performance in all departments, RT support if I so choose to use it and it doesn't run background programs poorly. All of that for like a £30 difference which I am more than happy to spend. And those are the two best values from both sides imo. The 4070 super is the 1080 ti of its time
With games beginning to require RT capable hardware to even run (Indiana Jones being a prime example), you're gonna want something that can handle RT acceptably. It won't be a case of just turning it off to save frames soon enough. Devs can't wait for RT and Path Tracing to be the standard, much less manual work when creating games.
@@FatherLamb that's what Im planning too. came from an RX 580, switch to a 3080 which is much more way out of my budget. no getting stuck on getting the 7900xt or wait for the 9070xt
So you think it will around $2000? Well that isn't happening in a million years, Id' guess at anywhere from $450 to around $650 for the two models. With the 9070 and the 9070xt will be between 50-100 less than the 5070 and 5070ti respectively.
@BloxburgGeek1 Where is your price to qualify? You pay 1000 for xtx and have shit quality compared to every Nvidia card 😂😂😂😂😂 Don't be a sheep and stop caring about fake frames unless you can tell what is what and it bothers you. Stop defending AMD that is the most greedy company in the world right now or Nvidia and buy what is best!! The best now is Intel.. b580 is by far the best value we can have.. this 9070 can top that!! Let's see if they really sell it for this price!
For the price to be right it would have to be $349 since the 7900XTX will fall to ~$500 soon. You can already find them on marketplace for $700 and will continue to go down as new GPU's launch. And a $400 7900XT will still be better than a $349 9070XT, Those can already be found on marketplace for $550. So, if the 9070XT is over $400, like HUB says...Radeon will be toast if they get the price wrong again.
@@TechRIPwith fsr4 , better Ai n amd’s own answer to neural rending a 400$ ?! 7900xtx will not be better than a 349$ 9070xt. Plus 5% more perf and matching the 5080 with near par RT?!
So I can solve the "mystery" of the melting GPUs, it's electrical 101. We are delivering 600 watts of power which at 12 volts is 50 amps that's spread over 6 pairs of wires (2 × 6), if that's distributed evenly that's 8.33 amps. 16 gauge wire is rated for 10 amps that is pushed over the standard 20% margin used for electrical safety. Now if we look at the molex connection those generally only rated for 5 amps to 8.5 amps for 16 gauge so you are pushing dangerously close to it melting under what it's rated for. If the engineers at Nvidia didn't know this might be a problem they should be fired
They should follow Tesla's lead in the PC market. Tesla upped their cars to 48V systems. Capable of delivering much more power over thinner cables. Obviously, it's a big shift, but its needed.
Don't recall this level of problem with the old style cables. Do recall that one definition of stupidity is continuing to do something you know doesn't work.
@@PopePlatinumBeats The problem is that it's a total of 50A. Maybe it's time to admit 12V isn't enough and change to, perhaps, 48V. Then it'd only be 12.5A - easy.
Electronics 101 Smaller cable = more resistance = more heat More current = more heat I have been saying since this cable came out, it was going to be a problem. This is a very stupid design and they should have stuck to the tried and true 8 pins. Who cares if you have to use 4 at this point, it wont burn up
nVidia needs to stop pretending with all this 'special insertion' nonsense and just drop this 'Garbage Connector'. It was never going to end well using this connector in this application. There was a chance for a new PC power connector to be a genuine improvement over what had gone before. Instead, we got a total regression to something completely unsuitable.
seriously, my electronics knowledge is very basic but even i know that sending huge amounts of wattage through small wires is always a bad idea. the old 8 pin design seemed foolproof, if it aint broke why fix it?
@@DelticEngine i find it hard to imagine that they wouldn't be aware of the risks associated going with this design and were possibly banking on people preferring that cleaner look regardless of the potential flaws. are they willing to wait and see if someone's house catches fire and hits them with a lawsuit?
When I build a desktop for the first time, I intend to go full AMD - Nivida, just in the last pair of generations of GPU's, have had a similar issue - and frankly I don't see myself paying the Nivida price tag if I can get comparable performance in a less expensive card
I don't care about the gaming performance of the 9070xt, I need my GPU to be good at 3D Rendering. If the 9070xt sells a lot, software devs might be force to update their software to make use of the 9070xt, if they do update the software and the 9070xt is close to the performance of my 4080 and cost $600 max I'll buy it as my secondary GPU for rendering.
It is not only about if a GPU sku gets great pricing. The ball is a lot on AMD's side. Nvidia has OptiX, with which you can render WAY faster than with mere CUDA (well, not every type of scene, though, depends on if having caustics and other stuff), but even more, CUDA itself tends to render quite faster than OpenCL. Indeed, in 2D apps also GPU accelerated, my experience is having a lot of problems with AMD cards (driver's bugs) and OpenCL, while none with nvidia/CUDA. besides all that, in both Blender and Davinci Resolve, just raw performance (that is, not counting with any special nvidia closed tech) it is quite faster with nvidia GPUs. A lot needs to happen on AMD for a lot of pros start considering AMD for work (other than Radeon Pro, just as overly expensive as nVidia Quadros and other professional line GPUs). And I really WANT too, having AMD CPUs everywhere and really willing to switch with GPUs, too. Blender devs indeed have made great efforts to make the AMD GPUs perform better, but there are many things that they cannot improve (AMD drivers, the cards themselves, etc), it's AMD's job. But IMO the company is lately mostly fighting the game battle (in the past they had great consumer grade GPUs that could be used for high end 2D/3D freelancing, like the Radeon VII) and of course, the low and mid range battle (as they even declared). Which is smart, as the xx90s from nvidia are too hard to beat and indeed IMO are mostly focused on the 3D professional land and now AI, than really on games.
almost all software favors Nvidia's CUDA cores. it'd be a snowball's chance in hell that they would ever consider optimizing for AMD's GPU architecture. Better off getting Nvidia GPU for 3D rendering production. And I'm saying this while owning a PC with 7800X3D and Sapphire Nitro RX 7900XTX....
If AMD could be happy with a healthy profit and not succumb to this "endless profit" model so many have adopted, they could sweep the GPU market out from under NVIDIA.
If only people warned about the connector not being suitable for that kind of power... oh wait... That new power connector is still not the best thing to use for a high power connection. I am not surprised that those flimsy things are still melting. Whoever made that connector spec should not be allowed to do that again. Nvidia should be ashamed to actually put that on a 400$ gpu let alone a 2000$ one.
This is a disgraced, Nvidia should of fixed this melting issue by now, and that just shows how much they really respect us consumers. But, then again, their pricing pretty much shows that already!!!!!!
Melted sockets is typically resistance through the socket. Either too small a conductor, or insufficient connection/contact, and that is with any electrical devices. At 600 watts/12v the card is pulling 50 amps, that’s a hell of a load on those small wires and pins. The GPU needs a heavy dedicated power buss with a larger connector.
Agreed. When you look at car audio and high amp draw, you're wanting the best OFC cable with high strand count and a large gauge. Since this dumb ass connector first was released I've thought it was significantly underrated.
Imagine being capable of manufacturing magic but can't design a fucking plug - there is no microchip tech involved - it's simple thermal dynamics/conductivity/ contact surfaces...all the mechanical elements of electrical that a simple sparky could've figured out.
Exactly why I don’t care about rumor prices. Scalpers will buy them and price them 3-4x it’s MSRP. I don’t have the time or patience to sit in a line for 3 days or refresh the website hoping to snag a card. GPU in my eye is just Vaporware.
For the price of one RTX 5090 the scalpers will be able to get 4 RX 9070s and I expect them to scoop them all up instantly like every other new GPU. Without getting lucky at retail we'll at best be able to get one for $1000 on eBay.
I want to know the price already. I'm hearing so many different price ranges and I really hope that it just doesn't bring my hopes up too high. If it's under 600 dollars I'll be very happy
2:15 From the picture, and the burn mark, the problem is the power is not distributed evenly. Theorically, when using 6+2 pairs of cables, 2 pairs go for sense (x4), and then the rest 6 pairs are used for passing the power. So doing the math, every pair should pass 100W. In the old PCIe x8, x2 pins are used for sense, and x6 or 3 pair are used for 150W so like 50W per pair. Now only one pair use 100W, of course, if there is any load unbalancing, then the cable will meld. This is so easy to understand. The problem is the cable or the connection. The burn mark always start with the hottest area, in this case they are on the cable connector.
I don't think the problem is with the cable, is the pin at the connector is significantly thinner than normal 8-pin and yet is pushing more watt than normal single 8-pin. It just plainly poor design.
The 12 pin connector just doesn't have same safety factor as the 8 pin. The conductors are much smaller which is the opposite of what you want for higher current. Why they are still using it on such high performance cards is bewildering.
I think NVIDIA is keeping GPUs out of stock to reduce the cases of melted GPUs as much as possible at the release date, so no media is going to cover the topic of melted GPUs if consumers have no GPUs.
It's been shown/ proven that the 5090s at times are actually drawing more than 600w. Even when their own software reads 600w secondary programs have recorded power draw up in the 620s-630s. It's not surprising that any cable rated for up to 600w, regardless of manufacturer, would be melting down.
A led indicating the connected cable likely will not distinguish connection quality. Meaning, a barely connecting pin will light up the led, but also is the cause for an overheating connection. Afaik the ROG Astral is the only one with actual counter measures against these faults with per pin current detection.
I used to work in manufacturing. I bet they adopted this stupid plug to save 50cents per card in manufacturing costs - 1 plug to buy & solder on instead of 2.
2:42 it's not "the cable" it's the gauge of conductor, wire, being used coupled with an inferior latching system made of plastic that encourages additional resistance that only increases with time/use
Really wish amd works well in production side of usage. That’s what nvidia still dominates in despite being terrible at price to performance for the gamer side of things
I think many would have been fine with a dual 3D V-Cache CCD 9950X3D at $999. Remember, the 5950X was released at a $799 MSRP back in November 2020, adjusting for inflation that would make it $962! Considering that even the 9800X3D bottlenecks the 5090 there would have been a genuine market for it.
AMD considers highly aggressive pricing $200 off high end GPUs that lack good RT and DLSS. Or $50 off a low end GPU. That is not aggressive pricing. And they will go in with the same attitude this time
Simple math is 600 watts divided by 12V is like 50 Amps over six wires 8.3 amps per pin. How about using 24 volts? This means 25 amps for 4.16 amps per pin yet 600 watts is still going to the card.
Bought a 3080 around a year ago for 400 bucks, the 9070 XT would probably beslighty better at minecraft (which is cpu-bound) but slightly worse at Blender, and as Blender is more important to me and it's significantly cheaper, I'm glad with my purchase.
Also the "scalpers" are just the companies buying out their own stock to increase demand and price gouge harder. Hence the reason pricing have not gone back down. We need to hold off on buying the next new thing and see if the updates begin to effect older cards. Very similar to phones and their software.
I think the pins themselves need to be larger. They are 2/3 to 1/2 the volume of the old 6 and 8 pin connectors. I don't know the ga sizes exactly, but my guess is the old 6/8 pin connectors are 16 or 18, and the new 12vHPWR and 12V-2x6 are a full size or more smaller. The plates on the other end are likely thinner or otherwise some way smaller. This creates less contact area which increases resistance, thus heat.
I would believe it when AMD announces the prices as I have a feeling they might try another bad pricing release and then do a price correction a month or two later cause no one was buying them but its barely gonna work as by then the damage is done and people will only remember the initial bad pricing. 399 and 499 pricing for the 9070 and 9070XT would be ideal but a 459 and 549 would also be fine but not the best anything higher would suck given that they are comparing these to a 70 class GPU.
$549 makes the most sense. they need to be at least 30% cheaper if they're around the same performance since they're lacking in features and mindshare etc. so $549 would be what they need to do while keeping margins high so that makes the most sense, they have no need to price any higher. the die is smaller than the 7900gre and not much bigger than the 7800xt. they've kept the costs down. if they price it any higher they're just shooting themselves in the foot yet again
While I understand that the RX 9000 series is supposed to be available for purchase in March. However, my plans for my new PC build as the CPU and GPU I want are either never in stock or the price is outrageous. Yet, there are other PC builders on UA-cam that can get the same components I've waiting for at the drop of a hat. *sigh* I hope the output from AMD ramps up higher VERY soon.
I am going to buy a gaming desktop this summer and have been very surprised at the number of issues surrounding the various components. The fire hazard makes me wonder if some jurisdictions would consider banning these components or set-ups? NVIDIA risks being charged with criminal negligence causing death if someone is killed in a fire their components caused after several years and multiple generations of parts have had these same issues. I can't understand how they don't get it? Anyway, at this point, I am definitely leaning towards AMD. Hopefully, by the time I buy a computer most of these issues and the overly inflated prices will be resolved. Also, it would be nice to have a high level of confidence in at least one manufacturer.
I recently bought a "for parts" Ryzen 9 3950X (that works just fine) for pretty cheap. I was out of the game during the CPU's original release date so I decided to check the original MSRP was $750 USD so the $700 9950X3D seems like a great value compared to older generations.
i'm gonna continue to be happy with my launch day 7900xtx. She's been flawless aside from the first month where they were ironing out the drivers getting things dialed in. Im sure the gen1 chiplet design took a monumental effort to get working.
It will be AMD for me, despite various advantages nVidia's offerings appear to have. I value my hardware, home and family: There's no way I'm having a GPU with such a bad design of power connector that it goes up in smoke. nVidia needs to just drop this 'garbage connector' and return to the regular PCIe connector that we all know works well and is generally free from issues.
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Pretty much whole 7000 series GPUs were priced stupid from the start so it was obvious from the very start that if AMD is not going insane with 9000 series pricing, 9000 series will kill 7000. BTW. Since when are we not expecting as something normal that new GPUs pretty much bomb sales of previous gen?
The burnt 🔥 power cable has been clarified to be user error by the outlet that originally posed it. States the user used a cable which they had used on a 4090 with the 4090 showing a burn mark indicating the cable was faulty before ever hooking it up to the 5000 card.
like what I have said since the 4090 was first launched, and made several connectors melt, that the design of the connector was wrong, it should be replaced with another connector or at least follow the RX 7090 xt those that use 3 x (2x8).It is best not to use one slot connector because it has a high risk of causing the socket to melt due to induction due to the use of large load power.
If AMD can manage a 1080Ti cost/performance type release, that can seize momentum from Nvidia. It is team Red's best opportunity to establish themselves while team green does everything they can to crush competition. They have to move now before Nvidia pulls away or Intel catches up
Those 600 watt GPUs really need to have multiple connectors if they're going to insist on making the pins so tiny, but what do I know? I'm just some dude on the Internet. Still, I can't think of anything else that pushes 600w through pins and wires that are so small.
I still have my Evga Gtx 1080ti and surprisingly still runs today's big titles with no major issues at 4K. However, I'm going to buy a 9070XT when it's released.
There is no reason for 9070/xt to be expensive. They are cheaper to produce, mid range specs, rdna 3 suply is almost dried, suply will be quite high from the start and rtx 5070/ti are not to expensive. Only Nvidia can spoil that if 70 cards shortage that will lead to high prices that will give AMD reason to price rdna 4 higher.
If they release the 9070 at that price and performance, then I am picking one up for sure. I have a 6900XT currently, so I guess it isn't a far stretch for me to go AMD again on the graphics side of things. As long as it has 16GB or more of VRAM that's a green light for me!
Well .. That was a third-party harness, not the included one with his power supply. It also is burnt on both ends , including the power supply side, which had the most damage. Prior it was only the connection point into the GPU. So not apples to apples.
I said it last year, the wire gauge may be fine on paper, but in practice its too small. Also, the pins on the receiver side are also too small. Finally, the connector itself is a bad design. It is the reason this is happening.
They should sense all the voltages on the card and then limit the current or shut the card down altogether if there is any current mismatch. It is a no brainer at that price point and such power limits. Omitting individual current sensing after the melted connectors on previous gen is just a piss poor design.
You would think NVidia would have learned from Intel that just adding more and more power to claim the fastest speeds eventually catches up to you and sets you back years.
this is a problem doing this like intel, eventually time runs out and causes issues like intel ran into, Even nvidia technology wise have been holding back and releasing cards on the same tech line and simply increasing the die size/core count and increasing power limit. But i also think they have already have the max die performance limit acknowledged in mind, and are getting close to that limit, that is why the cards are not much faster generation wise as they have been. nvidia is about to hit a road block, and they are pushing toward ai/cpu's/framegen to keep them afloat. The huge tech breakthroughs have already happened and everything is gonna go stagnant. I would not be surprised if the 6090 has a less performance jump over the 5090, then the 5090 had over the 4090. I also believe amd knows of this limit and decided to not target the high-end. They know what is coming.
The problem is the 12VHPWR and variants themselves, the safety factor is only 1.1 whereas the old 8 pin has a safety factor of 1.9. There's just too small a margin of safety on it, it shouldn't be rated for 450W let alone 600W...
Please don't defend people who can't properly plug in a cable. They are the reason why customer service always has to ask, "is it plugged in?", "did you try restarting it?"
I'll be honest, and idk if I'm the only one that does this. But when it comes to getting to-the-point news coverage... I've been skipping out on your videos that don't have timestamps. A lot of tech-tubers cover the same info that the ones who break the news are doing, that's cool. But when there are so many options for where to get the news, I choose who has the presentation I most like and who's most convenient to me. Keep up the good work, though. This isn't criticism, just an observation from a long-time viewer.
If the 5000 series was on the Die shrink that was thought to be the direction of this architecture, then this likely would not have happened. The over-reach for return is gonna hurt Nvidia on this cycle.
Guys it's damn near impossible to find a RX 7900 XTX, but possible because I just snagged one tonight. Just for fun, check out any stocking website and watch how fast scalpers and bots pick them up. I had to camp my phone notifications for a week to finally get one before it went out of stock. It would either be sold out instantly, or it stays in stock for about 5 seconds. It's hard out there right now.
It's not hard at all to find them, at least here in the States, just hard to find one below $1300+, and I wouldn't personally pay that much for one. But to each his own.
If you fiddle around with the settings on the 5090 can you get it to take in more wattage... That will certainly take these cables over all safety limits and most likely can cause it to melt down. It is plastic after all and it softens and bends when it gets hotter and hotter... Especially when you have the cables melting on the PSU end would mean the draw is more than listed. This could be a user error, but in the same breath, NVIDIA should limit their devices to not go over certain power limits without some heavy tinkering...
you poeple let Nvidia BS you all the time. its like buying a house and it burnt down, Oh you used the wrong builder anyone know about power and cabling, you can not use small cabling for high power
That user with the burnt cable and wrecked PSU and possibly more got doubly duped: by NVidia for pulling a much higher electrical power than according to the spec (Techpowerup, 350 Watt TDP) and ASUS for apparently once again delivering substandard quality.
Is the 7900XT a good card? What's the equivalent Nvidia card for this, is it the 3080? Can't find any 5080/5090 card for my upgrade and might go AMD if they're similar performance to Nvidia.
Avionics tech here… Those PC power connectors are using very small pins (~1mm), which are obviously struggling with the loads. In industrial connectors (like IEC 60309) they use much larger pins (~10mm). Granted different operating environments.. but it’s clear the pins and connectors (and therefore standards) aren’t keeping up and are a massive safety issue.
I sure do hope the leaks are true and AMD can dominate the mid tier market this generation, but I kept remembering that AMD is the company that never misses to miss an opportunity.
So,let me get this straight. No fucking stock,scalpers getting 80% of it,gpus bricking and now melting cables?. Bro this is so far the worst fucking launch,and i though the rtx3000's series launch was bad.
I didn't think this needed to be said, but.... *Only use power cables supplied with your GPU. Only use PSU cables that come with your PSU. DO NOT USE 12 PIN POWER CABLES THAT CAME WITH YOUR 4090 FOR A 50XX CARD.*
I am planning to buy Nvidia for the bigger feature set, still superior professional workloads support, and ray tracing performance, but if they have this near 5080 performance for just 500, I'll get that
Nothing would make me happier than if AMD had the proper stock of 9070 series GPUs and every gamer in the world bought one. It would benefit absolutely everyone, other the crazy overpriced NVIDIA and hopefully finally balance prices and provide affordable options for everyone.
If AMD can get the RT, upscaling, down scaling, and overall AI work load to compare with or surpass the 4080 Super they will have a real contender. Once that sells well and brings in some more revenue, they then need to release an XTX card with 24 or 32 GB of VRAM to deliver the fatal blow to Nvidia.
If I had a dollar for every gpu price leak that ended up being wrong, I could buy a new gpu
True true
Not with the 50 series
Congratz you now have a 5090!
which is why I don't watch this channel lol
That's 100% true but it would be AMD gpu LOL
6:57 skip the garbage
Yes!!!! 😂
i look for these comments permanently now
thank you , this is such an annoying click-bait channel Lmao
I should have listened to him.
bro has to pay his bills 🤷♂️
just bought a 7900 xt today and not a single ounce of regret
You'll be set for a long time. I'd say 4+ years at least.
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I was gonna get a 7900xt but the I heard ray tracing only gonna be kn rx 4k series and above on wuthering waves. I'm so sad....
Same dude, got an x870e, 9800x3d and a nitro+ vapour 7900xt (sapphire with 20gb v ram, I got it for less than £800). All in, these 3 components are less than a 5090 wich I wanted to try and get but obviously that was less than a 1% chance. Now, so happy with my purchases and still have money to spend, saved about £1200 not going Nvidia. Set for a while now. Just deciding on case, thinking antec flux with all noctua build, and how many TB of m.2s I want. F Nvidia. They gave up on rendering for AI and forgot gamers made their company. I've been using amd for everything else for years and finally made the gpu switch and dude, the savings, the performance, the peace of mind, the style... AMD IS IT.
Purchased a 7900 XTX a month ago for around $820, couldn’t be happier with it . Even when I was on nvidia I preferred the extra 30 frames to ray tracing . When it’s cool.. it’s cool but.. eh . It’s not at all point yet where I’m willing to set a tent up outside of a microcenter and spend 2k .
Being honest from a previous 3090 user........... I sold a 6950 xt I had to try nvidia again (hence the 3090 mention) and while I used it.. RT was cool and all but... Even then I turned it off in ALMOST EVERYTHING. Its NOT what I got the game for. I got w/e game to enjoy it.. as it is.. a game.. Not chasing realism in a real world of which im already sitting in..
So I've been back with AMD having a 7900 xt and now XTX and yeah, just solid.. Best purchase considering I got my xtx for 750 open box lol and as for that XT? pfft.. traded that 3090 for it... lol
Bottom line. RT is cool and all.. but im sick of it being the selling point in games now.
I say go with what gets you performance to PLAY the game in a playable area, Stop sweating about RT tech in its own.. its NOT worth it and wears off quickly..
@@FatherLambthe good thing about Nvidia is that softwares(like recording and editing) are simply optimised for it.
In the future maybe AMD will be amazing in its own right but honestly after a lot of research I’m probably going with a 4070 super instead of a 7900GRE. About the same price, better performance in all departments, RT support if I so choose to use it and it doesn't run background programs poorly. All of that for like a £30 difference which I am more than happy to spend. And those are the two best values from both sides imo. The 4070 super is the 1080 ti of its time
i got two of them the nitro and the pure one
With games beginning to require RT capable hardware to even run (Indiana Jones being a prime example), you're gonna want something that can handle RT acceptably. It won't be a case of just turning it off to save frames soon enough. Devs can't wait for RT and Path Tracing to be the standard, much less manual work when creating games.
@@FatherLamb that's what Im planning too. came from an RX 580, switch to a 3080 which is much more way out of my budget. no getting stuck on getting the 7900xt or wait for the 9070xt
knowing AMD they will release the 9070 $50 cheaper than 5080
9080 xt
tbh, if it would be available, i would not even mind... at this point, its better than bending over for the green goblin...
bet?
So you think it will around $2000? Well that isn't happening in a million years, Id' guess at anywhere from $450 to around $650 for the two models.
With the 9070 and the 9070xt will be between 50-100 less than the 5070 and 5070ti respectively.
thats so wrong
Real frames > fake frames
Real GPU's Nvidia > cheap GPU's AMD
@@kennethpereyda5707 There is a difference between greed and price to performance bucko
@BloxburgGeek1 ok bucko
didn't mean to hurt your feelings
@BloxburgGeek1 Where is your price to qualify? You pay 1000 for xtx and have shit quality compared to every Nvidia card 😂😂😂😂😂 Don't be a sheep and stop caring about fake frames unless you can tell what is what and it bothers you.
Stop defending AMD that is the most greedy company in the world right now or Nvidia and buy what is best!! The best now is Intel.. b580 is by far the best value we can have.. this 9070 can top that!! Let's see if they really sell it for this price!
I'm going to AMDemonetize my bank account and get one of these 9070 XTs if the price is right.
Same
My plan also.
Yes. I’m with Y’all in this
For the price to be right it would have to be $349 since the 7900XTX will fall to ~$500 soon. You can already find them on marketplace for $700 and will continue to go down as new GPU's launch. And a $400 7900XT will still be better than a $349 9070XT, Those can already be found on marketplace for $550. So, if the 9070XT is over $400, like HUB says...Radeon will be toast if they get the price wrong again.
@@TechRIPwith fsr4 , better Ai n amd’s own answer to neural rending a 400$ ?! 7900xtx will not be better than a 349$ 9070xt. Plus 5% more perf and matching the 5080 with near par RT?!
So I can solve the "mystery" of the melting GPUs, it's electrical 101. We are delivering 600 watts of power which at 12 volts is 50 amps that's spread over 6 pairs of wires (2 × 6), if that's distributed evenly that's 8.33 amps. 16 gauge wire is rated for 10 amps that is pushed over the standard 20% margin used for electrical safety. Now if we look at the molex connection those generally only rated for 5 amps to 8.5 amps for 16 gauge so you are pushing dangerously close to it melting under what it's rated for. If the engineers at Nvidia didn't know this might be a problem they should be fired
I'm sure they know... not sure they care though.
@@Chimonya exactly
The photos show that in this case, for some unknown reason, it wasn't distributed evenly.
Doesn't the PCI slot also supply about 75w to the gpu also? Either way they are pushing it too close
They should follow Tesla's lead in the PC market. Tesla upped their cars to 48V systems. Capable of delivering much more power over thinner cables. Obviously, it's a big shift, but its needed.
Don't recall this level of problem with the old style cables. Do recall that one definition of stupidity is continuing to do something you know doesn't work.
pulling 600 watts thru those teeny wires... what can go wrong?
@@PopePlatinumBeats The problem is that it's a total of 50A. Maybe it's time to admit 12V isn't enough and change to, perhaps, 48V. Then it'd only be 12.5A - easy.
Electronics 101
Smaller cable = more resistance = more heat
More current = more heat
I have been saying since this cable came out, it was going to be a problem. This is a very stupid design and they should have stuck to the tried and true 8 pins. Who cares if you have to use 4 at this point, it wont burn up
Exactly. I never understood that they're trying to push more amps through less AND smaller pins. It's bound to fail.
@ShinIkari I'm sure the engineers have raised the issue, but the final say chose form over function.
nVidia needs to stop pretending with all this 'special insertion' nonsense and just drop this 'Garbage Connector'. It was never going to end well using this connector in this application. There was a chance for a new PC power connector to be a genuine improvement over what had gone before. Instead, we got a total regression to something completely unsuitable.
seriously, my electronics knowledge is very basic but even i know that sending huge amounts of wattage through small wires is always a bad idea. the old 8 pin design seemed foolproof, if it aint broke why fix it?
@@DelticEngine i find it hard to imagine that they wouldn't be aware of the risks associated going with this design and were possibly banking on people preferring that cleaner look regardless of the potential flaws. are they willing to wait and see if someone's house catches fire and hits them with a lawsuit?
"If the 9070xt isnt $150 its DOA"
-nvidia only buyers
it's equal to a 7900xtx, so no. anything below $800 will work, if it's even close to what they want to sell it for it will crush NVIDIA.
People want Radeon real cheap so Nvidia change their prices not realising that Nvidia clearly don't give a shyte.
@@TheInsaneupsdriver I don't believe it will be at 7900XTX levels, but perhaps around 7900XT with improved RT.
@@TheInsaneupsdriver It's prolly slightly worse than 7900xtx (-5%), but around half the price. I'd say $650 or lower should do it.
@@LundeSite They're saying much better than 7900XT, just below 7900XTX performance... like -5-10% at about 60% the price.
When I build a desktop for the first time, I intend to go full AMD - Nivida, just in the last pair of generations of GPU's, have had a similar issue - and frankly I don't see myself paying the Nivida price tag if I can get comparable performance in a less expensive card
if and you can't
I don't care about the gaming performance of the 9070xt, I need my GPU to be good at 3D Rendering. If the 9070xt sells a lot, software devs might be force to update their software to make use of the 9070xt, if they do update the software and the 9070xt is close to the performance of my 4080 and cost $600 max I'll buy it as my secondary GPU for rendering.
THIS NEEDS TO GO UP. Please AMD, please be good at blender.
It is not only about if a GPU sku gets great pricing. The ball is a lot on AMD's side. Nvidia has OptiX, with which you can render WAY faster than with mere CUDA (well, not every type of scene, though, depends on if having caustics and other stuff), but even more, CUDA itself tends to render quite faster than OpenCL. Indeed, in 2D apps also GPU accelerated, my experience is having a lot of problems with AMD cards (driver's bugs) and OpenCL, while none with nvidia/CUDA. besides all that, in both Blender and Davinci Resolve, just raw performance (that is, not counting with any special nvidia closed tech) it is quite faster with nvidia GPUs. A lot needs to happen on AMD for a lot of pros start considering AMD for work (other than Radeon Pro, just as overly expensive as nVidia Quadros and other professional line GPUs). And I really WANT too, having AMD CPUs everywhere and really willing to switch with GPUs, too.
Blender devs indeed have made great efforts to make the AMD GPUs perform better, but there are many things that they cannot improve (AMD drivers, the cards themselves, etc), it's AMD's job. But IMO the company is lately mostly fighting the game battle (in the past they had great consumer grade GPUs that could be used for high end 2D/3D freelancing, like the Radeon VII) and of course, the low and mid range battle (as they even declared). Which is smart, as the xx90s from nvidia are too hard to beat and indeed IMO are mostly focused on the 3D professional land and now AI, than really on games.
almost all software favors Nvidia's CUDA cores. it'd be a snowball's chance in hell that they would ever consider optimizing for AMD's GPU architecture. Better off getting Nvidia GPU for 3D rendering production. And I'm saying this while owning a PC with 7800X3D and Sapphire Nitro RX 7900XTX....
My laptop's AMD GPU can literally do Blender fine.
Team RED for life!!!
If AMD could be happy with a healthy profit and not succumb to this "endless profit" model so many have adopted, they could sweep the GPU market out from under NVIDIA.
Yep.
If only people warned about the connector not being suitable for that kind of power... oh wait...
That new power connector is still not the best thing to use for a high power connection. I am not surprised that those flimsy things are still melting. Whoever made that connector spec should not be allowed to do that again. Nvidia should be ashamed to actually put that on a 400$ gpu let alone a 2000$ one.
This is a disgraced, Nvidia should of fixed this melting issue by now, and that just shows how much they really respect us consumers. But, then again, their pricing pretty much shows that already!!!!!!
Melted sockets is typically resistance through the socket. Either too small a conductor, or insufficient connection/contact, and that is with any electrical devices. At 600 watts/12v the card is pulling 50 amps, that’s a hell of a load on those small wires and pins. The GPU needs a heavy dedicated power buss with a larger connector.
Agreed. When you look at car audio and high amp draw, you're wanting the best OFC cable with high strand count and a large gauge.
Since this dumb ass connector first was released I've thought it was significantly underrated.
Imagine being capable of manufacturing magic but can't design a fucking plug - there is no microchip tech involved - it's simple thermal dynamics/conductivity/ contact surfaces...all the mechanical elements of electrical that a simple sparky could've figured out.
hope we can buy AMDs card before the scalpers
Exactly why I don’t care about rumor prices. Scalpers will buy them and price them 3-4x it’s MSRP. I don’t have the time or patience to sit in a line for 3 days or refresh the website hoping to snag a card. GPU in my eye is just Vaporware.
For the price of one RTX 5090 the scalpers will be able to get 4 RX 9070s and I expect them to scoop them all up instantly like every other new GPU. Without getting lucky at retail we'll at best be able to get one for $1000 on eBay.
1:00 and people complain about amd cuz "bAd DrIvErS" lmao, biggest cope ever.
I want to know the price already. I'm hearing so many different price ranges and I really hope that it just doesn't bring my hopes up too high. If it's under 600 dollars I'll be very happy
2:15 From the picture, and the burn mark, the problem is the power is not distributed evenly. Theorically, when using 6+2 pairs of cables, 2 pairs go for sense (x4), and then the rest 6 pairs are used for passing the power. So doing the math, every pair should pass 100W. In the old PCIe x8, x2 pins are used for sense, and x6 or 3 pair are used for 150W so like 50W per pair. Now only one pair use 100W, of course, if there is any load unbalancing, then the cable will meld. This is so easy to understand. The problem is the cable or the connection. The burn mark always start with the hottest area, in this case they are on the cable connector.
I don't think the problem is with the cable, is the pin at the connector is significantly thinner than normal 8-pin and yet is pushing more watt than normal single 8-pin. It just plainly poor design.
The 12 pin connector just doesn't have same safety factor as the 8 pin. The conductors are much smaller which is the opposite of what you want for higher current. Why they are still using it on such high performance cards is bewildering.
So, if there are 3 known cases it's like a 10% failure rate knowing how many GPUs were actually shipped 😀
I think NVIDIA is keeping GPUs out of stock to reduce the cases of melted GPUs as much as possible at the release date, so no media is going to cover the topic of melted GPUs if consumers have no GPUs.
I’m excited! Wanting to get my hand on a 9070xt!
The successor of the 7800xt is coming with better performance, so it's being discontinued. How shocking. Never expected it.
Anything to prevent consumers from saving money. The Earth would burn if people got to buy $350-425 7800XTs clearly
@@dockerb3159 In all fairness AMD is way more forgiving with their cards and they won’t always discontinue. Nvidia certainly will though
Keeping the "stock" cable doesn't solve the problem, because it's the complete same design...
AMDeez Nuts
hee hee hee harw
It's been shown/ proven that the 5090s at times are actually drawing more than 600w. Even when their own software reads 600w secondary programs have recorded power draw up in the 620s-630s. It's not surprising that any cable rated for up to 600w, regardless of manufacturer, would be melting down.
A led indicating the connected cable likely will not distinguish connection quality. Meaning, a barely connecting pin will light up the led, but also is the cause for an overheating connection. Afaik the ROG Astral is the only one with actual counter measures against these faults with per pin current detection.
The plug is rated to 600watts. The cards are pulling north of 700.
I used to work in manufacturing. I bet they adopted this stupid plug to save 50cents per card in manufacturing costs - 1 plug to buy & solder on instead of 2.
IF...Big IF 9700xt is between 7900xtx and 5080 in raw performance for around 600-700 euros then "AMD Please take my money"...😂
USD, YOUR PRICES INCLUDE TAXES SO ADD ANOTHER 200 EURO'S ON TOP OF THAT
7800xt was priced like that at the start where i live. Nitro where close to 700, rest closer to 650.. I am buying if its under 700 euros..
@@NadeemAhmed-nv2brThe xtx is around 1K-1.2K in Europe rn. If the 9070xt can match the 7900xtx at 800-1K then its still worth the purchase.
9700 XT prolly won't match 7900xtx but will be likely about 90-95% of it at nearly half the price.
@@gavinferguson2938 That's about the price in the US right now as well since stock has dried up and only a few models are left over.
TEAM RED RX 9070 XT I AM WAITING FOR YOU
2:42 it's not "the cable" it's the gauge of conductor, wire, being used coupled with an inferior latching system made of plastic that encourages additional resistance that only increases with time/use
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Love your content man. It's nice to get a video straight to the point. OG tech youtubers strayed off that path.
Huh? Gamermeld is literally the worst tech tuber with not getting near the straight to the point. Its all clickbait trash.
Really wish amd works well in production side of usage. That’s what nvidia still dominates in despite being terrible at price to performance for the gamer side of things
I think many would have been fine with a dual 3D V-Cache CCD 9950X3D at $999. Remember, the 5950X was released at a $799 MSRP back in November 2020, adjusting for inflation that would make it $962! Considering that even the 9800X3D bottlenecks the 5090 there would have been a genuine market for it.
AMD considers highly aggressive pricing $200 off high end GPUs that lack good RT and DLSS. Or $50 off a low end GPU.
That is not aggressive pricing. And they will go in with the same attitude this time
Simple math is 600 watts divided by 12V is like 50 Amps over six wires 8.3 amps per pin. How about using 24 volts? This means 25 amps for 4.16 amps per pin yet 600 watts is still going to the card.
Bought a 3080 around a year ago for 400 bucks, the 9070 XT would probably beslighty better at minecraft (which is cpu-bound) but slightly worse at Blender, and as Blender is more important to me and it's significantly cheaper, I'm glad with my purchase.
A fellow minecraft graphics enthusiasnt chad. 💪💪
Also the "scalpers" are just the companies buying out their own stock to increase demand and price gouge harder. Hence the reason pricing have not gone back down. We need to hold off on buying the next new thing and see if the updates begin to effect older cards. Very similar to phones and their software.
I think the pins themselves need to be larger. They are 2/3 to 1/2 the volume of the old 6 and 8 pin connectors. I don't know the ga sizes exactly, but my guess is the old 6/8 pin connectors are 16 or 18, and the new 12vHPWR and 12V-2x6 are a full size or more smaller. The plates on the other end are likely thinner or otherwise some way smaller. This creates less contact area which increases resistance, thus heat.
I would believe it when AMD announces the prices as I have a feeling they might try another bad pricing release and then do a price correction a month or two later cause no one was buying them but its barely gonna work as by then the damage is done and people will only remember the initial bad pricing.
399 and 499 pricing for the 9070 and 9070XT would be ideal but a 459 and 549 would also be fine but not the best anything higher would suck given that they are comparing these to a 70 class GPU.
Spot on I agree.
$549 makes the most sense. they need to be at least 30% cheaper if they're around the same performance since they're lacking in features and mindshare etc. so $549 would be what they need to do while keeping margins high so that makes the most sense, they have no need to price any higher. the die is smaller than the 7900gre and not much bigger than the 7800xt. they've kept the costs down. if they price it any higher they're just shooting themselves in the foot yet again
If it’s $4xx-500 I’m gonna be watching that shit like a Hawk the second it drops lol
They did this with the 3950x. Released the 5950x like 3 months later for $200 cheaper. I was legit pissed.
8:57 for the RX 9000 thing if you're curious
Thanks. Jesus that was the title and he added it at the end
No. Im buying Amd. This paper launch by Nivida and their price bs has killed my desire to have their card.
1:06 .... Don't BET on that ! *Nvidia doesn't give a sh1t about their gamers anymore !!* While WE GAMERS made them rich !
While I understand that the RX 9000 series is supposed to be available for purchase in March. However, my plans for my new PC build as the CPU and GPU I want are either never in stock or the price is outrageous. Yet, there are other PC builders on UA-cam that can get the same components I've waiting for at the drop of a hat. *sigh* I hope the output from AMD ramps up higher VERY soon.
I am going to buy a gaming desktop this summer and have been very surprised at the number of issues surrounding the various components. The fire hazard makes me wonder if some jurisdictions would consider banning these components or set-ups? NVIDIA risks being charged with criminal negligence causing death if someone is killed in a fire their components caused after several years and multiple generations of parts have had these same issues. I can't understand how they don't get it? Anyway, at this point, I am definitely leaning towards AMD. Hopefully, by the time I buy a computer most of these issues and the overly inflated prices will be resolved. Also, it would be nice to have a high level of confidence in at least one manufacturer.
After doing some research, sometimes the 5090 can go beyond 600 watts. Obviously depending what you are doing.
Man, with all the RTX 5000 series I'm kind of glad they're unobtainable right now. Still having issues with the power connectors is wild.
I recently bought a "for parts" Ryzen 9 3950X (that works just fine) for pretty cheap. I was out of the game during the CPU's original release date so I decided to check the original MSRP was $750 USD so the $700 9950X3D seems like a great value compared to older generations.
i'm gonna continue to be happy with my launch day 7900xtx. She's been flawless aside from the first month where they were ironing out the drivers getting things dialed in. Im sure the gen1 chiplet design took a monumental effort to get working.
It will be AMD for me, despite various advantages nVidia's offerings appear to have. I value my hardware, home and family: There's no way I'm having a GPU with such a bad design of power connector that it goes up in smoke. nVidia needs to just drop this 'garbage connector' and return to the regular PCIe connector that we all know works well and is generally free from issues.
Pretty much whole 7000 series GPUs were priced stupid from the start so it was obvious from the very start that if AMD is not going insane with 9000 series pricing, 9000 series will kill 7000. BTW. Since when are we not expecting as something normal that new GPUs pretty much bomb sales of previous gen?
Since crypto boom, corpo earnings issues and investment/perf ratio decreases. Also nearing stagnation on the nvidia side
00:20 "Well now Im not doing it"
The burnt 🔥 power cable has been clarified to be user error by the outlet that originally posed it. States the user used a cable which they had used on a 4090 with the 4090 showing a burn mark indicating the cable was faulty before ever hooking it up to the 5000 card.
10050X3D dual CCD 3D cache+32cores? That would be a god tier chip. I'm gonna wait for that.
like what I have said since the 4090 was first launched, and made several connectors melt, that the design of the connector was wrong, it should be replaced with another connector or at least follow the RX 7090 xt those that use 3 x (2x8).It is best not to use one slot connector because it has a high risk of causing the socket to melt due to induction due to the use of large load power.
If AMD can manage a 1080Ti cost/performance type release, that can seize momentum from Nvidia. It is team Red's best opportunity to establish themselves while team green does everything they can to crush competition. They have to move now before Nvidia pulls away or Intel catches up
no way its going to be like 900$ 7900xtx for 500$. thats foolishness.
Those 600 watt GPUs really need to have multiple connectors if they're going to insist on making the pins so tiny, but what do I know? I'm just some dude on the Internet. Still, I can't think of anything else that pushes 600w through pins and wires that are so small.
I still have my Evga Gtx 1080ti and surprisingly still runs today's big titles with no major issues at 4K. However, I'm going to buy a 9070XT when it's released.
There is no reason for 9070/xt to be expensive. They are cheaper to produce, mid range specs, rdna 3 suply is almost dried, suply will be quite high from the start and rtx 5070/ti are not to expensive. Only Nvidia can spoil that if 70 cards shortage that will lead to high prices that will give AMD reason to price rdna 4 higher.
If they release the 9070 at that price and performance, then I am picking one up for sure. I have a 6900XT currently, so I guess it isn't a far stretch for me to go AMD again on the graphics side of things. As long as it has 16GB or more of VRAM that's a green light for me!
Well .. That was a third-party harness, not the included one with his power supply. It also is burnt on both ends , including the power supply side, which had the most damage. Prior it was only the connection point into the GPU. So not apples to apples.
Its looking like my next gpu is amd if they keep that price range. I have a pc with a 5700xt that needs an upgrade.
I said it last year, the wire gauge may be fine on paper, but in practice its too small. Also, the pins on the receiver side are also too small. Finally, the connector itself is a bad design. It is the reason this is happening.
0:26 that's crazy I get to be a minority!!! lol
They should sense all the voltages on the card and then limit the current or shut the card down altogether if there is any current mismatch. It is a no brainer at that price point and such power limits. Omitting individual current sensing after the melted connectors on previous gen is just a piss poor design.
I already have a 7800XT, but if the performance increase and pricepoint is good enough, an upgrade will totally be on the table.
The size of modern GPUs really have become comical, dude you are lifting that thing like a gold brick, two hands
You would think NVidia would have learned from Intel that just adding more and more power to claim the fastest speeds eventually catches up to you and sets you back years.
this is a problem doing this like intel, eventually time runs out and causes issues like intel ran into, Even nvidia technology wise have been holding back and releasing cards on the same tech line and simply increasing the die size/core count and increasing power limit. But i also think they have already have the max die performance limit acknowledged in mind, and are getting close to that limit, that is why the cards are not much faster generation wise as they have been. nvidia is about to hit a road block, and they are pushing toward ai/cpu's/framegen to keep them afloat. The huge tech breakthroughs have already happened and everything is gonna go stagnant. I would not be surprised if the 6090 has a less performance jump over the 5090, then the 5090 had over the 4090. I also believe amd knows of this limit and decided to not target the high-end. They know what is coming.
hey all, we designed a single cable that can do 600w. Oh and in a year or two we are going to make a GPU that pulls over 600w.
The problem is the 12VHPWR and variants themselves, the safety factor is only 1.1 whereas the old 8 pin has a safety factor of 1.9.
There's just too small a margin of safety on it, it shouldn't be rated for 450W let alone 600W...
I think AMD is pricing its cards at a sweet spot. If there performance is near what is rumored, they will be good sellers.
Please don't defend people who can't properly plug in a cable. They are the reason why customer service always has to ask, "is it plugged in?", "did you try restarting it?"
I'll be honest, and idk if I'm the only one that does this. But when it comes to getting to-the-point news coverage... I've been skipping out on your videos that don't have timestamps. A lot of tech-tubers cover the same info that the ones who break the news are doing, that's cool. But when there are so many options for where to get the news, I choose who has the presentation I most like and who's most convenient to me.
Keep up the good work, though. This isn't criticism, just an observation from a long-time viewer.
If the 5000 series was on the Die shrink that was thought to be the direction of this architecture, then this likely would not have happened. The over-reach for return is gonna hurt Nvidia on this cycle.
Guys it's damn near impossible to find a RX 7900 XTX, but possible because I just snagged one tonight. Just for fun, check out any stocking website and watch how fast scalpers and bots pick them up. I had to camp my phone notifications for a week to finally get one before it went out of stock. It would either be sold out instantly, or it stays in stock for about 5 seconds. It's hard out there right now.
It's not hard at all to find them, at least here in the States, just hard to find one below $1300+, and I wouldn't personally pay that much for one. But to each his own.
If you fiddle around with the settings on the 5090 can you get it to take in more wattage... That will certainly take these cables over all safety limits and most likely can cause it to melt down. It is plastic after all and it softens and bends when it gets hotter and hotter... Especially when you have the cables melting on the PSU end would mean the draw is more than listed. This could be a user error, but in the same breath, NVIDIA should limit their devices to not go over certain power limits without some heavy tinkering...
you poeple let Nvidia BS you all the time. its like buying a house and it burnt down, Oh you used the wrong builder
anyone know about power and cabling, you can not use small cabling for high power
That user with the burnt cable and wrecked PSU and possibly more got doubly duped: by NVidia for pulling a much higher electrical power than according to the spec (Techpowerup, 350 Watt TDP) and ASUS for apparently once again delivering substandard quality.
Is the 7900XT a good card? What's the equivalent Nvidia card for this, is it the 3080?
Can't find any 5080/5090 card for my upgrade and might go AMD if they're similar performance to Nvidia.
Avionics tech here…
Those PC power connectors are using very small pins (~1mm), which are obviously struggling with the loads. In industrial connectors (like IEC 60309) they use much larger pins (~10mm).
Granted different operating environments.. but it’s clear the pins and connectors (and therefore standards) aren’t keeping up and are a massive safety issue.
I sure do hope the leaks are true and AMD can dominate the mid tier market this generation, but I kept remembering that AMD is the company that never misses to miss an opportunity.
So,let me get this straight.
No fucking stock,scalpers getting 80% of it,gpus bricking and now melting cables?.
Bro this is so far the worst fucking launch,and i though the rtx3000's series launch was bad.
I didn't think this needed to be said, but....
*Only use power cables supplied with your GPU. Only use PSU cables that come with your PSU. DO NOT USE 12 PIN POWER CABLES THAT CAME WITH YOUR 4090 FOR A 50XX CARD.*
The connector is reaching its limits, and the current must be splitted more through additional plug . Simple physics involved here .
Just noticed it may cost $7-900. Pretty sure $1,200+ with tax. The prices AMD is charging for the RTX 50 series is obscured!
That makes no sense.
I am planning to buy Nvidia for the bigger feature set, still superior professional workloads support, and ray tracing performance, but if they have this near 5080 performance for just 500, I'll get that
Nothing would make me happier than if AMD had the proper stock of 9070 series GPUs and every gamer in the world bought one. It would benefit absolutely everyone, other the crazy overpriced NVIDIA and hopefully finally balance prices and provide affordable options for everyone.
i remember how amd absolutely owned the value market back in the hd6850 days lets see it happen again amd!
The Nvidia app is also extremely buggy in some cases, completely breaking windows boot after updating you're driver's
If AMD can get the RT, upscaling, down scaling, and overall AI work load to compare with or surpass the 4080 Super they will have a real contender. Once that sells well and brings in some more revenue, they then need to release an XTX card with 24 or 32 GB of VRAM to deliver the fatal blow to Nvidia.