What if Turkey joined the Allies in 1940?
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- Turkey famously was neutral in the Second World War, although they declared war on Germany 2 months before the Germans capitulated. What if things went different in the Second World War and Turkey joined the Allies in 1940?
Would this make the invasion of Yugoslavia, and Bulgaria’s entry into the Axis more difficult, due to the Balkan Pact. As a result, Romania might also not align with the German ultranationalist ideals. Let me show you what I came up with!
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00:00 - Video Intro
Great video! I loved the mention of the Canadian soldiers in the benelux!
Turkey ratifying the Balkan pact and making a large frontline for the Germans to deal with was a really interesting way of escalating the conflict!
Thanks for collaborating and keep up the good work!
Thank you very much, keep up the grind and let us do something in the future, I have some really cool plans!
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Great scenario. I don't really see how Turkey, Romania, Yugoslavia and Bulgaria could hold off the Wehrmacht like that, or how would the Soviet Union be suddenly performing so well (with no lessons learned from the winter war and years of fighting germans) but I enjoyed the video nonetheless.
yeah, the Balkan campaign would go much the same, probably seeing Bulgaria still joining the axis in promise for slightly more lands (probably gaining istanbul and thrace along with what they claimed irl) and causing the entire balkan pact front to collapse
along with this, once the wehrmacht push into Anatolia, there may even be islamist uprisings across the middle east since the nazis were quite fond of islam and had 0 claims to that land.
along with this, you'd probably have a fair few German troops push through the caucasus and middle east for the oil , possibly even seeing the wehrmacht never suffer oil shortages allowing them to push even further.
Now would this change the winning of the war? doubtful, considering that the American lend lease to the soviets is what saved them from just getting trampled even more than they did irl and was the only reason why the Russian army was able to mobilize and evacuate its industry, but Moscow, Stalingrad and Leningrad would most likely fall as well. Seeing the 3 cities wiped off the face of the earth after being looted.
@@bossy1496 I think it's rather unlikley given that the German Army would be overstretched in the southern Caucusus, plus the were be general assistance from the British in the Middle East so it's likley to be one of the places to get quickly pushed out. Also crossing across the bosphorous would be it's own challenge.
Balkans and Turkey has alot of mountains and lands wouldn't be very benefical to go through unless they were siding with Axis
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This video was worth the waiting. Great job!
Yay, thank you! My next one will be even more epic!
That thumbnail is simply hilarious. The stare says everything.
I did something quickly and I'm glad it turned out so great!
Imagine turkey gets a occupation zone in Germany and berlin
This would be funny, but with the Soviets doing so well, I don't think such occupation zones would happen.
@@rewriting-historyturkey is well known for their very fast horses so I bet they would beat the Russians to Berlin and even the allies. Berlin is rightfully Turk 🇹🇷🇹🇷🇹🇷. This is a joke I just felt like becoming Turkish nationalist
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@@rewriting-history Thats most likely right, but I think there is a small but reasonable chance that the Potsdam conference goes differently and recognizes turkey with at least a small zone, preferably a Turkish occupied Bavaria would be pretty neat.
I mean we kinda have it in our universe, we just sent workers to their factories instead of sending soldiers to their borders.
The only issue with the peace treaty is that I'm pretty sure Romania would receive some compensations for North Bukovina, Bessarabia and South Dobruja, most likely by getting lands from hungary up to the Tisa River and even Ruthenia. Also Romania is likely to keep North Bukovina and only give up Bessarabia.
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Loved this video friend! Can’t wait for your next upload!
Thank you so much!! Next one is EPIC!
this was pretty good at first but got way too unrealistic after a while
Well this is what makes it interesting I would say. The other alternative is to have the historical ending, but maybe Turkey gets Syria, which doesn't change anything
Nice banknote find there, that was a good touch to the video
Glad you liked it! Will add for sure many more!
Great video! Glad that you’re working with other content creators!
Great video! Lore dudes axis powers video are literally alt history’s of each other! Amazing!
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i can see turkey holding out in asia very long and becoming a further strain on the luftwaffle
A more accurate title would be “What if Axis leadership suffered severe brain damage after 1940?”
That's just real life
What if Greece joined the Central Powers and the Ottomans joined the Entente ?
Oh wow, this sounds awesome! I will do this in the future!
Ottomans wanted to join entente but was rejected
As a Turkish guy,i can say that we didnt have moderm weapons. We just had men and horses which means we had no chance against Germans
You would've gotten lots of American aid. You'd be fine
@@captaincrunch7 then we were not an ally of the USD. Till the aid arrived, Nazi would have invaded Turkey
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Really glad you like it! I will take a break after this video for about a week, as I need time to produce something never seen before!
@@rewriting-history enjoy your break
Enjoy the break cant wait
I love how such a little thing can change the whole rest of the 20th century and beyond. imagine being able to sense and control these kind of little changes and using them for your cause.
Poor Czechoslovakia always getting the short end of the stick
8:26 wow I never thought I would see this. This is pretty cool looking!
"Mustafa Kemal changed Turkish culture and made it western" man I hate how both reactionaries and the western narrators overestimate the western cultural impact during the modernisation of Turkiye. They make it sound like we traded our culture to another. Quite the opposite tho.
I mean they are not wrong Ataturk change the TURKS alphabet the TURKIS dressing I'ven the TURKS hats more over modern TURKIYE start celebrate the 100 anniversary of creation of there state so in a sense they are not real RONG
@@islammehmeov2334 Turkish alphabet? It was Turkified arabic script. We now use Turkified latin script. The true Turkic alphabet is the Orkhon alphabet. And I'm okay to use it if you ask me.
Turkish dressing changed how? "Islamic wear" was not popular until the slamist government made it an issue. Our women still covered their heads and men continued to wear shirts and pants. Ironicly the "modern islamic hijab" was created by an armenian tailor inspired by nuns.
About the "Turkish hat" part. If you are referring to fez then you dont know its history. Fez replaced sarık when Mahmut the second ordered it. People called him a heretic sultan for favoring fez over sarık. Now the same crowd call Ataturk a heretic for replacing fez.
@@sarubet8725 this is what I'm saying ATATURK created know cuntry were it is were different from the OTTOMAN EMPIRE
@@islammehmeov2334 and before Ottoman Empire we had 16 different empires. And Ottoman Empire was ended not by Ataturk but european invaders. Infact Ataturk spent his youth trying to save the Ottoman Empire from ending. And Republic of Turkey is not an entire seperate entity. We are the successors of our Ottoman ancestors.
@@sarubet8725 no offense but what are the udder 16 TURKISH EMPIRES?
I see you did the Greek-Albanian union, nice!
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4:06 Soviet ships french airplanes and british tanks? Sounds like the worst possible combination of foreign equipment production of those 3 countries xD
Yeah lol, but it was a reality
POV: You kept ataturk alive with all of your political power and you prioritized Balkan integralism
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Now I wanna see what would’ve happened if Bulgaria actually joined the axis in this scenario.
They get destroyed most likely, but Romania and or Yugoslavia capitulate
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This was pretty unrealistic but honestly, i think that just made it better, A realistic turkey joining the allies wouldve been incredibly boring
Good video
Thanks for the visit
15:20 Rewriting History you have a mistake - Czechoslovakia was restored after ww2 as Democratic nation. The reason they became communist is, that after ww2 there was strong communist influence, because soviets were seen as liberators and because in 1945 they signed a Treaty of friendship, mutual assistance and post-war cooperation between Czechoslovakia and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. In 1946, there was parlimentary election, where communist party gained majority of votes (also probably because their number in votes was 1 and it sounded like: You should vote for number 1 - communist party). In this timeline, communist influence could be much lower, because soviets wouldn't be the only liberators
To add to that I think Czechoslovakian people as a whole felt betrayed by the allies Britain and France because they were forced to give up the forts of the Sudetenland and subsequently were partitiononed as they had no way to defend themselves without the forts, so I think the Czechs and Slovaks took the east over the west because trusting the west lead to their country partitioned
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Interesting video
It still isn't out, but I hope you like it when you see it!
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Communist Denmark is something that I didn't should ever thought about in my life
Considering British Occupation of the Faroes was essentially giving the islands self governance, and the Islands declared independance after the war, I don't see the UK annexing the Faroes but rather helps the Islands achive independance, with some British/American military bases.
hello in 8:13 you sead that the army streched from a city in romania to dubrovnik, as a cratian dubrovnik is much lower that the border told, no harv felings
I fixed it in the map after that, messed up the maps and the map appeared 5 seconds after it should have
@Rewriting History If you make that Romania-Hungary video you will send me the script or do 200 hours research, I am not letting you mess it up
Yeah I'll send it to you, no problem!
I honestly don't see the unrealism here. Great video!
Appreciate it very much, glad you like it!
Your fucking brain is unrealistic
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I don't see Greece straight up annexing Albania, they already had problems with Albanian minorities and annexing the whole of Albania would just be a disaster.
There is no way Churchill would let the Soviets take Denmark, that was a red line for him.
The Southern German Confederation was only a thing on paper meant to resemble Austria Hungary to maintain the balance of power. Even if it got formed it would quickly collapse. I find it more realistic that Hungary falls in the Soviet sphere.
I WAS WONDERING WHEN YOU WOULD ASK THAT (we need a video of Austria joining on the the war with Germany and turkey… like the same people in WW1 essentially the same war but different)
Now that I think about it Hungary would be a better fit as the replacement instead of Austria (because the Germans wanted some land from Austria)
Hey love your vids and i support you also can you do a rewrited history ab the yugoslav wars ik its bad to remind it but i just interested in it no need to offend anyone so theres that
Man this video either deemed the Wehrmacht so weak or the balkans too strong imo (probable the latter). Plus the German Luftwaffe could have leveled to the ground resistance over the historically weaker armies of the balkans
Very nice
Thanks! Glad you liked it!
Yes it was very informative and no cap I really enjoyed it
Great video but Attlee was not pro-Soviet at all, he was just as anti-Soviet as Churchill.
I think he allowed the Soviets to get more than what they would have if it was Churchill
@@rewriting-historyAttlee and his right hand man (and foreign secretary) Ernest Bevin spent the 1930s kicking communists out of the Labour Party. And as Foreign Secretary, Bevin was both strongly anti-Soviet and given a free hand to act in foreign policy by Attlee. They didn’t act any differently from Churchill.
Also with North Africa, if the Turks support the Greeks against the Italian, it means the British are able to capitalise on their gains in Operation Compass without having their best units transferred to Greece. This means, even with the arrival of the Afrika Korps, the British could the Italians out of Libya and the Italians and German would be fighting from Tunisia and Algeria with the Royal Navy using the Libyan ports to launch even more devastating attacks on the Italian Navy than they did in reality in 1941. This would probably have shortened the fighting in North Africa by a few months with Operation Torch being the final blow. You might even have seen Rommel and Afrika Korps trapped in North Africa, so you Rommel would’ve lived and probably been appointed as a senior officer in the West German Army.
Fun fact.
Hitler actually offered Hungary all of Slovakia when he invaded Czechoslovakia, but Horthy refused, as all land that housed a substantial amount of Hungarians was already in Hungary's hand after the First Vienna Awards, and Horthy didn't want to deal with revolting Slovaks in an already barely stable country. Transylvania on the other hand housed a substantial amount of Hungarians, which is why Horthy thrown his lot in with the Germans for it.
What I wanted to say with this, is that Horthy would never agree to an alliance with Germany for Slovakia.
He wouldn't take direct control, sure, but I think allowing Hungary to have Slovakia as their own puppet state instead of a German one would do it. The region isn't ethnically Hungarian but it was part of Hungary's historic borderlands and this arrangement would be a de-facto recognition of such by Germany.
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What if Turkey had adopted the cult of Makima, Revy, Cutie Honey, Marin Kitagawa, Trixie Tang, Judy Neutron, Marge Simpson, Wendy Corduroy, Lois Griffin, Sailor Moon and Maddie Fenton instead of Abrahamic shit?
What if Turkey joined Axis before the fall of Greece? Axis could've won. There would be no Stalingrad or Kursk. Germans would not only secure oilfields, but also Soviet oil industry would collapse. Soviets could've fell. Egypt could've fell.
LoreDad made a video on this topic, you can check it out and see what he came up with!
The Axis still probably wouldn't win, but they might have taken more of the large Soviet cities, specifically Stalingrad, Leningrad or Moscow. If all of these fell, maybe the USSR would collapse. But the Axis still loses, since America develops the nukes first.
@@georgios_5342 i think they would win the battle but lose the war in the long term i can imagine germany slowly collapsing and romania hungary italy and turkey starting to act more independently resulting collaps of axis but probably not the ultimate german defeat but germans losing the cold war to us and bigger hungary turkey and thicker romania
When in 1940? After the defeat of France, Stalin - then an ally of Hitler - might have taken the Bosphorus.
I said after France has fallen
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Right. Apologies. But surely, after the fall of France no other power would have sought a war with Germany.
And one thing that struck me as most unlikely was your alliance between Turkie and Greece. That's stretching it a bit!
This scenario is completly unrealistic, there would be a revolution in romania after all that lost land!
Very good video. Inonu was a very conservative president, if Ataturk did not die young who knows, maybe Turkey would have gotten Evros, Northern Cyprus, and the Canaries. A lot of current day Greek and Turkish nationalism wouldn’t exist if that was the case
An interesting fact that comes as a side effect of Finland not joining the Operation Barbarossa, is that it takes longer to fully industrialise.
In our timeline, the war reparations to the USSR forced Finland to induatrialise. But it was only the reparations from the Continuation War.
The USSR wanted products as reparations, which Finland lacked capacity to manufacture. Without this, I believe it would've taken a decade or two longer for Finland to become fully induatrial and developed, meaning that Finland might not be a Nordic Welfare state.
So I guess, thanks Hitler and Stalin.
nice scenario
Appreciate it very much!
Germany instantly capitulates the second Turkey joins
What if Poland had good defense against Germany in WW2 and held on?
As a Pole, I think you need to start this alt history in at latest 1900 lol
@@tomaszenko13 yea, that is true but not impossible, maybe we would put it so the west would care about the poles and despise communism more, and send more support against teh soviets in the polish-Soviet war
Poor Romania, they won the war, but lost land 😢
Same with Poland
Unrealistic but fun scenario
what if kaliningrad oblast became part of US State 51st? What if Königsberg (East Prussia) was given to America instead of USSR after World War 2, and later turned into the 51st US state? My idea
The unrealism in this video is the handing of bessarabia and northern bukovina
Yeah as a polish person i am disappointed by the ending for Poland but I am not really surprisee considering that Stalin's main focus on Yalta conference was to create a Polish puppet state. + thanks that you said that Aushwittz was German.
It's in Polish borders, sure, but that thing is undoubtedly a German creation and should be thought of as such.
What if Crassus conquered Parthia with Publius
You made a huge mistake about Ataturk
Ataturk was not a Social Darwinist,he was a Civic Nationalist which means Nation is an identity not a genetical thing and he was a huge Anti-Imperialist
I find it quite unlikely the US would enter this war. The Europeans are solving it themselves, and it involves a lot of Slavic peoples, which have little influence or sympathy in the US at this time. However, the US really is not needed for the outcome here.
Here's a fun question what do you think would happen to Eva Braun if she survived the war or more interestingly what if she had children with Hitler what do you think what happened to them
Lore of What if Turkey joined the Allies in 1940? Momentum 100
Brighter Balkan Future, darker Eastern Europe
I don't think that's Germany would attack The URSS considering the great Balkan Front
But the Soviets declared war on them in this timeline, as the Germans accidentally bombed the Soviet divisions in Bessarabia
What if pigs could fly?
how do you get all these old coins and money
What if Judaism spread(and survived) like christianity and islam
Why does Poland gain Bucovina Tho
churchill hated hungary and austria i bet thats why he decided to unite them well that was the plan for him i prefer stalin or FDR plan with territory
Maybe Neo otoman empire
Not under the leadership of Mustafa Kemal for sure
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No, the germans would had still steamrolled over turkey as they had ressources on the eastern part of the country, its not some mountains that would had prevented the werhmacht to invade and occupy turkey.
Plus Stalin was a fool, in our timeline even with russian and british advice he refused to join the allies, even at some minor borders there was russian casualties and still he refused, for 2 reasons. 1 Hes army was not ready yet since his purge, 2 he thought he could work with hitler, at least buy some times (years).
The only one who could make sense in your scenario for a feared offensive Soviet Russia would be a Russia leaded by Leon Trotsky. Who would have attack hitlers germany before 1940. With Leon Trostky there is a high chance of soviet expansion in all directions.
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I don’t think Walachia would hold, it’s too flat
They would hold Walachia in the Carpathians, which makes it easier to hold the flatland, but once they break through, it's all in danger.
I came from Loredad and I’m sorry but I couldn’t keep watching after 2 min. The way you articulate and accent just annoys me. Still thumbed up for the effort.
In my opinion I think the Danubian confederation would join Germany because Baden, wurtemburg and Bavaria how ever much they hated the Nazis they still are German people who fought for Germany in lots of major German wars (also north Germans need Bavaria because otherwise they would Bully eachother not bavara
This is worse time Line for Denmark
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Sadly yes, but I have some videos where Denmark was doing better!
@@rewriting-history King cristians son was Way populer then his dad i Think the monarchy wuold atleast been keeped if fredrick came to power as King you shuold have Cristin be overthrowen then haveing his son be overthowen
So the plural of Fez is Fezes. That's literally feces in Portuguese 😅
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But they did?
In 1940? You mean they did in 1945
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Yugoslavia 2.0
Bro just makes bulgaria always get free land just beacuse he is bulgarian used to love this channel
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Oh well, nothing I can do about that. Enjoy life! :)
@@rewriting-history. You knowed what you made me subscribe again
Loved the Napoleon scenario you uploaded
Why is my great Czechoslovak nation again subject of Communists?! WHY?!
I have made several videos where they aren't, especially them denying the Munich agreement. You should check these out if you haven't seen them
@@rewriting-history Yes I saw the video when they denied the Munich Agreement, Cool and greatly made video! I just dont like when my nation falls to the regime that symbols stagnation, depression and ugly Brutalist Architecture.
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@@rewriting-historyI understand
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