In January 1505, there was a funeral held for Queen Isabella in the Saint Gudula cathedral in Brussels, after which the proclamation of Philip and Joanna took place. I found no indication that Joanna was "left at home" or that the proclamation happened without her approval. As she says in the clip, such ceremony was of course meaningless without her. At the same time, in January 1505, there was a Cortes reunion in Castile (Toro). The Cortes proclaimed only Joanna the successor of Isabella and the 'reina propietaria' of Castile. Isabella's last will was read there and as Joanna was not in Castile, nor was there any certain information when her arrival could be expected, Ferdinand assumed the regency according to the will. However, he presented the ambassador Moxico's writings about Joanna's odd behaviors, supposed insanity, and wanted the Cortes to declare her incapable so that he could assume the regency permanently. The Cortes refused to declare Joanna's incapacity, they only point out that "Joanna is not in a state to fully exercise her functions". Whether they did it for discretion, or this was a temporary solution and they wanted to wait for her arrival to see and judge her mental state by themselves, or "not in a state to" simply wanted to mean she is currently not in the kingdom, we don't know for certain. The noble who rises at 3:21 and supports Ferdinand is the Duke of Alba, Fadrique Álvarez de Toledo y Enríquez, who was one of the powerful grandees who supported Ferdinand against Philip (he was later Charles's great supporter and also appears in Carlos, rey emperador'). According to the historian who commented the Isabel series, Teresa Cunillera, Ferdinand was not supported by many at this point, only by some of his old allies nobles houses, like the Enríquez, the Mendoza, the Velasco. Although before Isabella's death there were not many on the other side, except for Belmonte and the Marquess of Villena, as soon as Isabella died, everyone sent emissaries to the new monarchs. There were many nobles who positioned themselves with Philip. But the cities, with more participation in the Cortes, were rather the supporters of Joanna. Of course neither Philip's nor Joanna's supporters wanted Joanna to be declared incapable and thus giving the regency to Ferdinand.
I’m sorry but juanna owned that seemed . For the sake of drama I wanted her to grab the sword and wack Phillip with it . Also lili , I found Phillips headdress really interesting and haven’t come across anything like it before in my research ; could u give me some background ?
This scene is a bit whack? What even would they pull off if the heiress itself wasnt present. Not to mention some officials would have raised questions if she was not present. Philip was ambitious, not crazy. I mean really, just imagine the whole court of Flanders, all of them, tip toeing away in the morning not to wake the heiress of Castille, or something. And then what? Castille itself didnt like foreigners, not even if it was Ferdinand who was consort for decades. I fear this movie tries to make Philip once again in something he wasnt. At least not like that
I had a similar feeling while watching this. The absurd "tiptoeing" picture also occured to me 😄 During the tv series, while I felt Philip's character a bit inaccurate and exaggerated, at least the events unfolding were usually logical and well built and constructed. But the movie has so many illogical and inconsequent turns and events that the quality didn't seem the same to me. No wonder it wasn't that successful.
@@Lily1127channelnice you had the same vision. And that this movie is gonna be a bit inconsequential also occures to me. I watched the youtube version and Ferdinand died and then it cut to Joanna sitting in nun attire. The end. I thought Ferdinand locked her away and ruled another 10 years. But i thought it was a glitch. Also, just watched the other scenes and i think you already said it somewhere, but whyyy would Joanna even go mourning over the guy who sneaks out with the court and throws her in a dungeon. Not any highs are portrayed, at least in Isabel there were a few scenes were he was a bit nice to her.
@@Lily1127channel also were the film makers the same makers of Carlos rey emperador? That series seems to be done with so much love, love to the characters, the costumes, story lines, accuracy, clothes, music, i love these clips to death. Thanks again for introducing me to them
@@Dryadkal The writing and directing team of the movie and Carlos were different, although some people in the team also worked on Isabel, so there were some overlapping. I liked Carlos very much and for some reason it has a special place in my heart, I enjoyed every minute of it. I liked the supporting characters very much, especially the women, there were some many important women in this era who were given justice in the tv show. Also, I like the love story of Charles and his wife better than Isabella&Ferdinand, because it was much truer in history. Objectively judging, I would say Isabel had a better quality and better writing, maybe simply because it had 39 episodes for the 40-year-long story of Isabella's life, while Carlos had only 17 episodes for not only Charles's 40-year-long very eventful reign but it also tried to show what was going on internationally (France, England, Central Europe, even America), like a historical Game of Thrones, and it was simply not enough for so many things. For this reason, there are things in Carlos which seem rushed or lacking sometimes. But I think they did the best job they could do with this limited number of episodes. What Carlos did much better than Isabel is the aging of the characters. It was perfectly done, the aging makeup was on top, there were no such weird situations like season 3 Isabel looking as young as her adult children. What Carlos was also better at is the costumes. The costume design is just perfect, very accurate, almost every single costume was design according to the characters' real portraits.
"One is as foreign as the other." That's what you get for 35 years of building up a shit Kingdom that was previously known for only two things; Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar and Wool.
the Kingdom of Aragon was a Mediterranean kingdom that had a strong identity, and other languages, Aragonese and Catalan. And it also included Southern Italy, especially Sicily. It was very different than Castile.
I love this kind of cross-cutting sequence that literally shows why the name of this movie is called the Broken Crown
Damn, Joanna can be such a boss!
Que entrada mas gloriosa de Juana de Castilla reclamando su autoridad.
In January 1505, there was a funeral held for Queen Isabella in the Saint Gudula cathedral in Brussels, after which the proclamation of Philip and Joanna took place.
I found no indication that Joanna was "left at home" or that the proclamation happened without her approval. As she says in the clip, such ceremony was of course meaningless without her.
At the same time, in January 1505, there was a Cortes reunion in Castile (Toro). The Cortes proclaimed only Joanna the successor of Isabella and the 'reina propietaria' of Castile. Isabella's last will was read there and as Joanna was not in Castile, nor was there any certain information when her arrival could be expected, Ferdinand assumed the regency according to the will. However, he presented the ambassador Moxico's writings about Joanna's odd behaviors, supposed insanity, and wanted the Cortes to declare her incapable so that he could assume the regency permanently. The Cortes refused to declare Joanna's incapacity, they only point out that "Joanna is not in a state to fully exercise her functions". Whether they did it for discretion, or this was a temporary solution and they wanted to wait for her arrival to see and judge her mental state by themselves, or "not in a state to" simply wanted to mean she is currently not in the kingdom, we don't know for certain.
The noble who rises at 3:21 and supports Ferdinand is the Duke of Alba, Fadrique Álvarez de Toledo y Enríquez, who was one of the powerful grandees who supported Ferdinand against Philip (he was later Charles's great supporter and also appears in Carlos, rey emperador').
According to the historian who commented the Isabel series, Teresa Cunillera, Ferdinand was not supported by many at this point, only by some of his old allies nobles houses, like the Enríquez, the Mendoza, the Velasco. Although before Isabella's death there were not many on the other side, except for Belmonte and the Marquess of Villena, as soon as Isabella died, everyone sent emissaries to the new monarchs. There were many nobles who positioned themselves with Philip. But the cities, with more participation in the Cortes, were rather the supporters of Joanna. Of course neither Philip's nor Joanna's supporters wanted Joanna to be declared incapable and thus giving the regency to Ferdinand.
The duque de Alba is played here by the same actor as in Carlos. It seems so to me.
@@nguyenanhtuan1196 Yes, but a "younger" version. He has less gray in his hair and beard.
Slightly wrong… Fadrique Álvarez de Toledo y Enríquez, II Duke of Alba was not a grandee of Spain in 1505 but was made one in 1520.
Thank you for uploading
Any resemblance to Prince Charming from Shrek?
I’m sorry but juanna owned that seemed . For the sake of drama I wanted her to grab the sword and wack Phillip with it . Also lili , I found Phillips headdress really interesting and haven’t come across anything like it before in my research ; could u give me some background ?
Will you upload more videos of this movie
Yes, I will upload every Wednesday. There will be 15 or more videos, I think.
OMG! Can we watch it somewhere?
I think the whole movie is on UA-cam, but without subtitles
Lili1127 yes, but sadly they keep removing it.
Does somebody know the names of the background musics, please?
eso, la reina era juana :3
This scene is a bit whack? What even would they pull off if the heiress itself wasnt present. Not to mention some officials would have raised questions if she was not present. Philip was ambitious, not crazy. I mean really, just imagine the whole court of Flanders, all of them, tip toeing away in the morning not to wake the heiress of Castille, or something. And then what? Castille itself didnt like foreigners, not even if it was Ferdinand who was consort for decades. I fear this movie tries to make Philip once again in something he wasnt. At least not like that
I had a similar feeling while watching this. The absurd "tiptoeing" picture also occured to me 😄
During the tv series, while I felt Philip's character a bit inaccurate and exaggerated, at least the events unfolding were usually logical and well built and constructed. But the movie has so many illogical and inconsequent turns and events that the quality didn't seem the same to me. No wonder it wasn't that successful.
@@Lily1127channelnice you had the same vision. And that this movie is gonna be a bit inconsequential also occures to me. I watched the youtube version and Ferdinand died and then it cut to Joanna sitting in nun attire. The end. I thought Ferdinand locked her away and ruled another 10 years. But i thought it was a glitch. Also, just watched the other scenes and i think you already said it somewhere, but whyyy would Joanna even go mourning over the guy who sneaks out with the court and throws her in a dungeon. Not any highs are portrayed, at least in Isabel there were a few scenes were he was a bit nice to her.
@@Lily1127channel also were the film makers the same makers of Carlos rey emperador? That series seems to be done with so much love, love to the characters, the costumes, story lines, accuracy, clothes, music, i love these clips to death. Thanks again for introducing me to them
@@Dryadkal The writing and directing team of the movie and Carlos were different, although some people in the team also worked on Isabel, so there were some overlapping.
I liked Carlos very much and for some reason it has a special place in my heart, I enjoyed every minute of it. I liked the supporting characters very much, especially the women, there were some many important women in this era who were given justice in the tv show. Also, I like the love story of Charles and his wife better than Isabella&Ferdinand, because it was much truer in history.
Objectively judging, I would say Isabel had a better quality and better writing, maybe simply because it had 39 episodes for the 40-year-long story of Isabella's life, while Carlos had only 17 episodes for not only Charles's 40-year-long very eventful reign but it also tried to show what was going on internationally (France, England, Central Europe, even America), like a historical Game of Thrones, and it was simply not enough for so many things. For this reason, there are things in Carlos which seem rushed or lacking sometimes. But I think they did the best job they could do with this limited number of episodes.
What Carlos did much better than Isabel is the aging of the characters. It was perfectly done, the aging makeup was on top, there were no such weird situations like season 3 Isabel looking as young as her adult children. What Carlos was also better at is the costumes. The costume design is just perfect, very accurate, almost every single costume was design according to the characters' real portraits.
"One is as foreign as the other."
That's what you get for 35 years of building up a shit Kingdom that was previously known for only two things; Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar and Wool.
the Kingdom of Aragon was a Mediterranean kingdom that had a strong identity, and other languages, Aragonese and Catalan. And it also included Southern Italy, especially Sicily. It was very different than Castile.