Oddity Archive: Episode 226 - Dodgy Demo DVD’s
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- As of this posting, we’re right on the edge of the 25th anniversary of the introduction of the DVD. Guess it’s finally ripe for Archivedom…
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Hey, Benny...
If you were wondering why switching camera angles didn't catch on, it's probably because you weren't watching enough early DVD porn. In some ways, the history of information and media distribution technology is a history of pornography delivery systems.
There was a video store near my place that was an early adopter of DVD rentals, and also had a sizeable "adults only" section (complete with little velvet ropes at the entrance!) They had a shelf in there dedicated to DVDs, and I remember seeing the "multi-camera / you choose the angle" option being touted on quite a few of them.
"Well, let's see," the editor might say, "... you got your standard shot blocking, there's the "voyeur" angle peeking in the window, the "caught in the act" angle of a husband or boyfriend walking in the bedroom door, and a few different angles of interest primarily to medical professionals..."
Unfortunately, I cannot report on the quality of the implementation of the technology. Not that I'm a prude, I just didn't have a DVD player until I bought a PS2.
I've had at least 2 DVD's that actually used the angle function. One was an old release Dragonball DVD where the "angle" was swapping between Japanese and English title cards, and a more interesting cartoon series DVD (I want to say Invader Zim) in which the function changed between final animated product and animatics or storyboards.
I think there's an alternate angle in "Bend it Like Beckham" early in the film when David Beckham kicks a goal. If I'm right it's the only time I've EVER seen the Alternate Angle feature.
I have had The Scorpion King which used the angle feature, and still have a Johnny Cash yule log DVD where using the angle button changes the scene from close up of fireplace, inside of house with fireplace still in view, and outside of house with smoke going out the chimney.
@@collectingonthecheap56353 It's nice to know that feature was actually used in some DVD's. Seems like something that was unfortunately abandoned early on, just like Easter eggs hidden in the menus.
King Crimson's "Live in Argentina" DVD had multi-angle, where you could focus in on a specific band member. I remember it being particularly fiddly but fun if you wanted to pay attention to, say, Bill Bruford's drumming.
The Troma film “Real Time: Siege at Lucas Street Market” was designed around it. You could switch between security footage, police dash cam footage and news footage as the film went on.
The late 90s - aargh, coloured spiked hair, off pastel bright clothes, bad CGI graphics - contemporary everything and nu metal along with the over sharp red tone colour.
Ever get a early DVD set where whenever you press the "skip" button to move onto the next episode or scene it will immediately start the whole DVD over again from the start? You can't even go back because it will do the same thing! I have a multiple DVD set that does this and the only options it will perform properly is "play", "pause", and "stop".
That last disc reminds of those Howie Long and Terri Hatcher Radio Shack ads that were on at the time. The ones you were surprised to find out they weren’t married.
When the couple puts on the red shirts and giant yellow ties I expected them to start hosting "Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?"
🎵 Well she sneaks around the world from Kiev to Carolina! 🎵
I remember a couple of times my parents got DVDs from Blockbuster that had a sticker on the actual disk. Our DVD player did not take kindly to that.
We used to sit and watch The Gate to the Mind's Eye as sort of a 'demo' DVD...people would say 'it's incredible what they can do now with computer animation'
3:46 Multi angle is good, when a DVD contains different language versions. When you see a poster or letter, you see it in Spanish and not English with subtitles.
Or what about 3D animated films?
You switch the language and get the video version made for another country.
I'd say one of the first demo DVDs would be the "Dolby Digital Experience" disc, that, while not dedicated (everything, and I do mean everything was captured from videotape, as said DVD launched with a 12" companion on the analog format) is from 1997. This is also arguably the better option, seeing as AC3 decoders are still mighty expensive; though everything is letterboxed on either format. Interestingly, some stock MUSE footage is also used on said disc.
Notably though, the DVD comes in a jewel case (with an OBI, as this is a Japanese release) and is still (relatively) cheap, along with it's big disc sister on LD.
Granted though, the two releases had about seven months between them; the LD was 3/21/97 and the DVD was 10/25/97.
12:22 I'm gonna be the "acktyually" guy and point out that HX Pro was a Bang & Olufsen invention that Dolby licensed
Early pr0n DVDs took full advantage of the multi angle feature.
please send me the DVD’s so I can watch and evaluate this functionality. all for research that is.
I have both "Digital Video Essentials" (which is still absolutely invaluable all these years later) and the Sound & Vision tune-up disc, which got shoved into some box quickly after I bought it and hasn't been seen in almost two years.
I got my first DVD player as a high school graduation gift in 2001. The first three dvds I bought, all on the same day, were Superman The Movie, Gundam Wing Endless Waltz and a collection of the first 13 Digimon episodes (at the time I was floored by the concept of getting large amounts of a show at once instead of a couple episodes at a time like on VHS). I still have the latter two, having traded away Superman when I got the big metal boxset of all the movies.
Speaking of anime, I remember it was a big deal being able to choose Japanese dialogue w/ english subtitles or english dubbed on DVD instead of having to buy one or the other like on VHS.
The fact that DVD is as old now as VHS was in 2002 is mind boggling to me🤯. The fact that DVD still outsells Blu Ray is even wilder to me🤔. On a personal note: For whatever reason known only to the eternal Bit Gods, I have never had a failure when 'burning' a DVD or Blu Ray disc, But I STILL get the occasional "coaster" making ordinary audio CDs. All logic would seem to lead to the OPPOSITE. 🤷♂️
I think it's because everyone already has a DVD player, and if not they can be had for $25 plus the cost of DVD movies are cheaper as well, and so is renting them from Redbox, then lets not forget when Blu-Ray came out the era of online streaming came about with services like UA-cam, Hulu/Hulu Plus, Netflix, etc.. thus for many they did not see the point of investing in a new physical media format when they could get lots of content each month at such a low cost.
@@CommodoreFan64 You are not wrong, Plus, "they" kept the cost of Blu ray players and discs too high for too long VS how fast DVD player and DVD disc prices dropped. Streaming is great (Esp Vs Cable!) But I like to own physical copies, so I'm keeping with Blu ray (And DVD) for as long as they exist!
I didn't expect a video from 1999 to predict the rise of the snake oil $500 HDMI cable...
"1. If you don't have a rats nest of cables behind the TV, you're not doing it right". Absolutely, and it's required that the cables are equipped with that magic feature that allows them to completely knot and tangle by simply laying behind the TV.
Even when they're coiled and restrained with cable ties!
Did you notice that after he couldn't figure out "male, female", Julia covered up again?
HI-YO!
I collect Vinyl like this. Turntable setup, demos, even stuff like "learn to speak like a professional" on just 19 lps!
I'm hoping we can see "more" of Julia in future episodes.
Avia means "bird" in Latin.
Why the bird's not the guest of that DVD presentation?
I wonder if Ben has the "DVD Demystified" books... now those are demo discs!
I don't think Carl Perkins' 'hair' was quite ready for DVD.
The passive-agressive nature of that guy gave me David Hewlett vibes. :D
The THX trailer "Cavalcade" being at the end, although cut off, was a nice touch at the end.
Mallrats was the only DVD I ever owned that used the angle feature. It was used for video commentary in a few scenes. The Mallrats logo would pop up in the corner and when you hit angle a window would pop up with the director, producer and some cast and they would discuss the making of the scene. This was on top of a regular commentary track. Never saw another DVD that used it.
Bought an Apex AD-660 DVD player in early 2000. It was the successor to the more infamous AD-600A, early versions of which had a hidden menu that allowed changin' the region & disablin' the Macrovision. Also remember orderin' bootlegs (from Hong Kong) of the original Star Wars trilogy & Episode I. These were all mastered from Japanese Laserdiscs & were of surprisingly good quality (they were not DVD+/-Rs). Also from same area, official region 3 copy of Crouchin' Tiger, Hidden Dragon (in both cases, long before the official US releases).
Also, a little side note: it's Blu-ray's 15th anniversary (if I'm not mistaken) & CD's 40th, comin' up, next year!
12:34 I disagree wholeheartedly, that’s with my ENTIRE heart, not just one ventricle or atria. That joke was funny. In fact, it wasn’t just funny, it was THAT funny. A knee slapper, for sure.
Oh and you used the word POSEUR! You are a 90’s kid 💛.
Also, thanks for hearting my other comment earlier today. You made my day man for reals. I’m a bug fan
Not a typo. I meant bug. Just thought you’d like to kno a little bit about me.
I want to watch these in their entireties. These are interesting
5:00 I think I actually may have a version of "The Ultimate DVD" disc that was not distributed by Simitar. When I got it secondhand, it came only in a jewel case and had different cover art for the front and back of the jewel case. All contents are the same sans the Simitar logo used here.
That seems to be the a later release by Miramar/Unapix. "The Ultimate DVD" was one of their budget releases under the A-Pix name.
There were four issues of the same disc, with Simitar Entertainment's being the first in 1998. After Simitar went broke (WWE suing them didn't help), the rights to "The Ultimate DVD" reverted to Unapix where there were three editions a "Gold" version, a "Silver" version and a "Platinum", before having one uniform release (that being the numbered ones).
Presumably, the content was different on all three editions with "Silver" having only Miramar movies and some cheap Unapix licenses sampled alongside the usual home cinema tests. Then sometime later, Unapix went the way of Chapter 11, with Ardustry picking up the some of their catalogue as it was liquidated.
The last thing I can find about the disc being someone that asked in 2003 "who had the rights" in a Google Answers question. The answer was that RADCO had them along with several cheapy movies, but they're out of business now.
Fast forward to now, everyone involved is bankrupt and most of the movies (or even the contained music) in that disc are in others' hands. For example, the demo contains the song "Too Far" as an excerpt from Jan Hammer's "Beyond the Mind's Eye" cartoon. It's available in both excerpted numbers and it's entirety through his channel on UA-cam.
"...and don't miss out on the next episode of Sound & Vision: Dave and Julia Go to Couple's Therapy"
Apparently disney made their own disc demo thing for blu ray called wow (world of wonder)
Interesting episode Ben
Thank you for showing “My Old Friend” first. I LOVE the Beatles.
Another entertaining episode. Having said that, Ben, you should cover Sony's Ringles sometime. They were a failed experiment that only lasted for a few weeks in 2007, attempting to bring together CD music and mobile phone technology by including a single, a B-side or two, and a ringtone of the featured track.
If RCA cable guy was a real A/V installation warrior, he'd have a headlamp on, too!! Just sayin'!
The two-disc set of _Queen: Live at The Wembley_ my friend has does feature some multiple angle footage, but not for the main program.
I remember seeing that Dolby bumper at Showplace 16 back in the late 90's.
Well it finally happened! After god knows how many years of being subscribed to this channel I have finally figured out what the deal is with the bearded guy in the hat and the lady in blue is all about in the intro. Yes, folks last night I went to a triple bill horror night at the local drive-in and what would lead us into Halloween day? None other than "Manos the Hands of Fate". Now I can watch the OddityArchive vids with my full attention on the actual episode content rather than the dude in the hat.
It’s wild seeing an Oddity Archive on DVD, what’s next, digital video? Just joking, love the channel!
Any of Mirimar/Odyssey Productions' videos were perfect demos for DVDs!
It sounds like Dave and Julia's relationship could use a tune-up as well. Talk about a passive-aggressive domestic disturbance (yes, I stole that from Family Guy).
What's that Macca, what was one of the songs that trilled you? ;p hehe The only Multi-Angle DVD I ever owned randomly was a Kylie Minogue Concert from 2003, and even that was only a few selections!
'Avia' is a brand of sneakers these days.
🛎🛎🛎!
3:08 I never knew that was the reason for the long box packaging for CD's in the early days. I always thought it was an anti theft deterrent. One reason I didn't know, I guess, was that by the time my local music stores stocked a robust array of CD's, vinyl album inventory had already diminished. You could buy most new and popular old stuff on tape, but from 1985 to 1991 the vinyl racks got smaller and smaller. Some of my local stores didn't carry LP's at all by 1987 or so. Just that by the 1980s you had cars with tape decks and Walkmen, so people preferred portability and low maintenance.
Is it wrong that I want Ben to do that 90-120 minute deep dive into the snap DVD case?
If it's not wrong for me to hope for a follow-up OA episode called "Jewel Cases: Their Fragilities, Strengths, and Life Hacks Involved...", yours is not so crazy m'friend! 😆😂🤣
@@djhrecordhound4391 Now I want to see that as well
If that's wrong, I don't want to be right
@@itme999 I'm glad I'm not the only one
@@djhrecordhound4391 Strengths: I actually scraped my windshield successfully with a jewel case one winter day when I couldn't find my actual scraper.
Excerpt at 6:58 is from "The Mad Doctors of Borneo" by Webster Colcord, a few of these shorts are actually on UA-cam in their entirety. I wonder if he knows about this DVD?
Because 2000 was officially the beginning of "the future". So the 2001 living room had to look all "futuristic" and crazy because you know... it was the future now.
Everyone was supposed to commit to silver jumpsuits on new years day 2000 and eat nothing but "food pills". People born after 2k were supposed to pop out of the womb fully educated and doing trigonometry while playing theremins.... what happened?
@Oddity Archive A Rush concert DVD had that multi-angle feature. Watched Neil's solo that way at a friend's house, so I don't remember which title it was.
Home Theater? *WRONG!* - - - Home Theatre! *CORRECT!*
We in the US are odd with the way we spell things lol.
I actually have a "Dragonball Z: The Dead Zone" DVD in a case that is an exact match of the one you just showed.
My Metallica S&M DVD from 2000 had multiangle for four songs where you could select which band member you wanted to focus on throughout the song
I still buy DVDs. One of the last new titles I bought was the complete collection of Steven Universe multi-DVD set less than a couple years ago.
Oh you remembered that thing?❤❤❤
The angle function. I've seen it being used on a Dutch live-dvd of artist Frans Bauer, where you could create your own clip of a live song from the show.
Um...yeah, can I say that I hate those "snappy case-like DVDs?" They feel extremely cheap...
All day. Eight hours a day. Very dangerous. Nobody do this. [sick guitar riff]
Hard to believe DVD is 25. Mine is close to that age actually. It's a Memorex unit from 2001. Neat thing is though despite it's age it can play MP3's, Video CD's, and is Dolby Equipped.
Okay the ending is going to trigger someone's THXphobia
I have several hundred DVDs (mostly movies) and the only one I can think of that has multi camera angle options is the Sarah McLachlan concert “Mirrorball.” I imagine other concert DVDs might have it.
(11:48) Ben, I have the gut feeling Paul Reubens (Pee Wee Herman) did voice act that one as is so clear his peculiar tone of thin, annoying voice. 😲
My only multi angle DVD would be 2003's "Rush in RIO".
But knock on Patrick O'Hearn all you want if you watched local forecasts on The Weather Channel in the late 90s you'd be well aware of a lot of his work!
I wasn’t knocking Patrick O’Hearn, I was mocking the Treasure-esque aesthetic of that scene.
@@OddityArchive Fair enough. The track featured in the video wasn't on TWC but I've heard it elsewhere. 2 that were included Homeward Bound and Downhill Racer.
I know I'm two years late on this comment. But if you're ever stuck for a Thanksgiving list episode idea, have you ever considered doing a rundown of "most punchable hosts/presenters/personalities" in Archive history? There are so many great nominees (Buster from the Blockbuster Training video comes to immediate mind). (Reference 17:40)
I, for one, am curious to see if those two insufferable DVD set-up helpers remain at their penultimate spot or they've been knocked down in recent years.
I'd have to figure out a way to phrase it so YT doesn't think I'm advocating for violence...'cause, you know, bots don't understand humor or irony.
I remember my family's first DVD player was an Apex.
An Apex was my second. I bought it to hack as a region free player.
Sony was my first
My first was some cheap (like $10 new) DVD player. It lasted around 20 years, played all regions! (My Italian "La Linea" set is a shelf-only item now 😪)
We had an Apex too. It was huge lol
I can’t remember what ours was (Panasonic I think) but we got ours in 2000. My first DVD was Don’t Tell Mom The Babysitters Dead. I miss DVDs in the early and mid 2000s when they had a separate disc for all the special features and who could forget DVD Easter eggs?
Benny boy, I too am a sucker for silly snobby upscale names like "Avia".
To this very day, I can never get the picture-in-picture function to work on our TVs, whether they be projection, flat screen or 4K HD.
I'm such a Luddite. 😔
Ooh, the copyright warning uses the Silent Hill font
the best multi angle (double) disc set is the Beastie Boys Video Anthology (Criterion Collection) released in 2000..
6:03 You can't tell me this isn't a shot from what was "cool.avi".
For those of you who don't know: An old 3-D animated short meant to preface another video clip. An old Packard Bell media disc included it, spliced with a shot of Bill Gates adjusting his glasses and commenting "Cool!". Watch it here, once you're done with Ben's video of course: ua-cam.com/video/tlI-AckwjNk/v-deo.html
@5:39 wow Carl Perkins died in 1998 at the age of ~66. must have been right after recording this multi angle segment!!
It was shot in 1993 and had already been on VHS.
10:58 sounds like "Local on the 8s" music to me.
I made a simple custom test DVD years ago. Stated a new one but I haven't decided on the content.
I know my Rush in Rio bonus disc and Metallica: Cunning Stunts Disc 1 DVDs have multi angle but thats all that I can think of
No deinterlacing tests? Granted, I used 30-second skips several times...
Awesome video bro but I find it funny that when you cut to the local ad break I actually got 2 UA-cam ads one for tic tock and one for taikes (the chips)😂👌
well, _i_ was today years old when i found out my satellite speakers are the wrong way around -_-
23:54 THX
Nobody mocks DR BOOMENSTEIN !!
Do you have Wall-E on DVD? Also do you like that movie?
Julia can do a flip for all I know and it wouldn't help her. :D
I have never had a dedicated dvd player with an angle feature. Just as well since I only had 3 dvds which supported the angle feature: Animusic 1 and 2, and Elf, starring Will Ferrel.
It wasn't until we got an Xbox 360 when I was able to use the angle feature. It was underwhelming to say the least.
I'm pretty sure I had a copy of Die Hard that had some alternate angles. And I think the DVD of Hostel also had alternate angles, but like only for the deleted scenes? Maybe, idk..can't be bothered to look it up
Will the halloween episode be next week?
Barring anything catastrophic, it'll drop on the 28th. Next week will be a Halloween-ish Archive Thrifting episode.
No way, that couple was way more hateable than the Jameson's. At least they have that family from the fifties plucked into the 90's thing going on. These two are just awful.
Is Dave a dead ringer for Bill Pullman or what.
When does the support group meet to trash those skits? I'm fully qualified; I'm a stand-up comedian.
“Dave” from the 3rd disc sounds a bit like Jeff Daniels.
Ben, is that intro music of your own creation?
You're referring to the opening theme, correct?
@licoricewhip Yup. benminnotte.bandcamp.com/album/pavanned-oddity-archive-theme
I bought pavanned and the other four versions from band camp.
@@OddityArchive Thanks. I should've read your credits!
Wow $14,000 for a flat screen tv
And just two years later, Big Brother debuted on CBS, with a state of the art Plasma screen on the wall of the Big Brother house.
Here's Sound & Vision: Home Theater Tune Up:
ua-cam.com/video/iZ8y7SouPWM/v-deo.html
I had one of them projection crt tv them had some good bass not like these flat TV's today
You know, one of the songs that used to thrill us, then..
Wow, that last "test disk" was soo bad, put me right off home entertainment.
Torgo from Manos: The Hands of Fate makes an appearance. That is the worst movie I've ever seen. It's so bad that it angered me and I like bad movies.
I bought that first DVD you showed at Suncoast before I had a player. Absolute trash video quality l
The skits are cringe inducing. I think my first DVD player was an Apex was that was in 1998. Never had a setup disc, though my memory is faulty.
Doesn't the 2 disc Abyss DVD use the angle function?