Four Dog Stoves | 1.1L Aluminum Bushpot | Field Review
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- Опубліковано 26 лип 2024
- Krik of Black Owl Outdoors takes a look at a recent addition to his camp cooking gear, the 1.1L Bushpot from Four Dog Stoves.
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I have the 4 dog 1.8L Mors pot. I have used it for about a year now and love it. Its very light, big enough to cook for two and man you can fit so much stuff in there. I like using aluminum as it is light in weight ,transfers heat better than stainless , and has good durability with an attractive price point. Thanks for sharing !
I have the 1.8L bush pot. The hard anodized aluminum holds up well. The dark color seems to heat faster. I like the tight fitting lid, saved my dinner once when the pot got knocked over. The bail handle is a must for me.
I'm a tight lid believer. Like you said, you get virtually equal coverage by simply resting the lid on top while keeping the option of a tight lid, which is nice for storage when you don't feel like putting it in a stuff sack and/or don't have a pack with side pouches. The pour spout and factory bailing option is nice too. I've been looking for a good 1L bushpot so I'll be looking forward to your extended review later on. Great content as always fellas.
I have this pot (with the bail handle) and I've used it to cook on one or two occasions while camping. It worked fine. I had believed that aluminum was not safe for cooking but many people in the You Tube community claimed otherwise. I think a pot is one of the most essential pieces of kit for wilderness survival. This Mors Pot is one of the best out there.
I just ordered the 1.1L pot with the bail kit separately. I already have the 1.8L pot and LOVE it, the 5 position locking bail is the nuts. I also have the MSR seagull stowaway 1.6L pot in all stainless steel. I find for me the non stick anodized alum. is MUCH easier when it comes to cleanup and heat transfer is great, plus much lighter. I just wish the 1.1L with bail handle would fit into the 1.8L but it won't. Ideally, i'd like both pots bailed and nestable for a larger cook set, but having the option of taking either pot separately for say a day outing or just coffee. I'm gonna try the 1.1L without bail and see how well it works nesting inside of 1.8L for now. I have the bail kit if needed and can add it later. For $34 shipped I think you CAN'T go wrong. Or for $38 shipped get the 1.8L pot with bail already on it, again can't go wrong. I also want to see if the SNOW PEAK KETTLE 1(stainless, handles & bail) will nest in 1.8L pot, gonna bring the big pot to REI and see if it'll work. CUZZ YA JUST CAN'T HAVE TO MANY COOK SETS lol.
Make your own bail handle. Just get some titanium or steel wire, drill a small hole and you'll have a functional bail that nests.
I have this pot. I like the idea of the tight fitting lid. If the pot get's knocked over accidentally, there's a better chance not to lose all of the food inside. I got the bail on my pot... it helps with handling stability when removing the lid by holding the bail on one side. The bail has semi-locking position notches on it as well... that is handy. Also, you should come into that pot lifter ring from the other side (and at a bit of anl angle) with your stick or whatever. I bought this pot for 1) It's larger size and 2) It's light weight. My small kit uses a Stanley adventure cooker (stainless), and I also have a medium MSR Seagull (also stainless). I like all three, and each has benefits that the others do not. Downside... wouldn't you know it, each also has flaws that another may not have. For me it's a win, win, lose, lose situation. I believe that he pathfinder store (Wilderess Outfitters) sells a stainless steel version of this "Mors Pot".
I thought the same. Come from the other side at an angle.
I use stainless because it's the only set I've got. My large MSR pot saved my life once when I was in a sinking boat in a storm. Every time I use that pot I am reminded that I am only here now because of it. The pot has scratches all-around the outside where it was scraping the bottom of the boat while I was bailing out water - stainless steel all the way for me...
Ahhhhh, the Mors pot. i have yet to get that version. i ended up with the pathfinder store version in stainless. quite a good pot. I like to mix the materials up and use each for a different purpose or situation
I have that pathfinder pot as well.
Another reason why this is one of my fav. channels to watch and learn from -- your honesty on things and why you think the way you do. That is one of the best - if not the best -- explanations as to the loose vs. tight lid on lids I have seen on this debate, great stuff man. Aluminum is terrible for your health, I have done my research, so I won't say more on that. As a fluoride water activist, among other things, it is related and accumulative with other things the body takes in. Anodized is a sep. issue. Keep up the good work guys!
I think ive be using aluminium pots for years, but I cant remember
trevor lol
Nice little pot. I have been using aluminium a lot over the years and have had no issues with that at all.
Thanks for the review - Martin
Hi Turtle Krik; I've been using the same aluminum pot cum coffee pot for the past 19 years. Yes it does have a dint (10 years) But it has a bail which I consider essential because of the small handle. I would feel lonely on a canoe trip without it. Brian 76
Good content just like always!
I have that exact same pot, but with the bail. I have to say I love it and end it's really a good pot. You'll find after you use it more more that the lid will come on and off a bit easier, but it still will maintain that tight seal like you were demonstrating. I know that sounds contradictory, but it's hard to explain. I usually don't have an issue taking a stick and wiggling the top off to get in there and do what I need to do when it's on the fire it works pretty well.
I have the 1.8L with bailer. The bailer add on is great, but it has large hooks that stick out almost an inch. They have caught on items in my pack a few times, even when using the Cordera stuff sack provided. If you hike a lot, I would suggest the normal bailer twine and make one yourself for less of a footprint. It all but eliminates any nesting options otherwise. That being said, I love the pot for its variety of uses and the pouring spout is so handy. The bailer also locks in 4 different angles, which makes it great for pouring.
Good points about the hooks.
Yes, those hooks snag badly. I now have a titanium 1.1 liter pot that I added to my order for a BushBuddy wood gasifier stove. I have not used the twig wood stove yet, but I’ve used the pot over a trangia to boil water and make soup. Its shape is like the Mors pot: butterfly wing handles, but with a bail handle that does not snag. The lid does not have a TIGHT fit, but it fits nicely and has five small holes to drain liquid from the pot, if you want. I am very pleased with it.
Actually aluminum has better heat transfer than stainless
Faster heat transfer is not always better when cooking.
Black Owl Outdoors you stated in your video that stainless steel has better heat transfer than aluminum. That is not correct. Stainless has poor heat transfer and distributes unevenly which is never good for cooking. Look at professional grade kitchen cookware. The most expensive brands use aluminum discs on the bottom to distribute the heat evenly. The only place where plain stainless is superior to aluminum is in durability.
Chrizzly Atoms Yes you may be right about kitchen cookware. But in my experience with camp cookware, which is thinner than kitchen ware, aluminum burns food much faster than stainless. To each their own.
It burns faster because the heat transfers faster
Thanks. I wanted to order one of these, but wanted to be sure that a 227 gram fuel canister would fit inside the pot and I could not find that information on the Four Dog Stoves website. Thanks again; I believe that I will order one now as it is time to upgrade my solo cooking setup.
I have the same pot, but with the bail installed. I've been using it for a while now and have no complaints. I love that, though it's made in the US, this pot is a chunk of hard-assed backwoods Canadiana, since it's based off of (and virtually identical to) the old Royal Canadian Air Force survival pot.
I kind of wish it were graduated for when I'm making a Mountain House meal or something, but I'm with you; It's not a make-or-break thing at all.
Generally, I don't like bare aluminium for cooking in. Heat transfer is so much better when you cook with stainless. But the dark anodisation on this pot mitigates things a lot, I find.
I've had more than one ocassion to wish the lid didn't fit so tight, but I've just come around to resting the lid on top while cooking, then sealign it up for transport. Best of both worlds.
Uh, I only wash mine by hand. I don't know how well it'll handle a dishwasher, and once you get the damned thing above the border, it's really not a bargain. So I don't want to make an expensive mistake.
I made marks in mine to show graduation. When I attached the bail handle, I gently punched indents at 1, 1.5, 2 cups. I added 1 cup of ice water and marked the line that formed on exterior, added another 1/2 cup and did it again, etc. Then I very carefully tapped in a mark using an awl from the outside. That way I didn't risk damaging the anodizing on the inside. The marks aren't huge but since I know where they are it's easy for me to figure out.
To fix the lid, gently squeeze the pot from the bail side. Fixed mine anytime it loosens.
As one Canuck to another, hope that helps.
Oh, you mean the condensation line from the ice water? Wow, that was smart. I'd never have thought to do that.
Glad to help.
You can make this lid loose or tight fitting. It aluminum. Use you hands to mold the pot a little. Thats all it takes.
Nice video! I realize it's a couple years old but I'll still leave my comments. I really love stainless steel. It's durable, low maintenance and resists dents and dings. Of course, the big downside is that it's pretty heavy. If all your stuff is SS it can add up fast. Anodized aluminum is really great. Realistically it's almost as strong as SS but much lighter. Heat transfer of a dark HA pot is very good. One potential downside is that it's close to impossible to weld so you need rivets; well done they work great, not so well done they get loose over time. Lastly titanium is very strong and very light, and of course I really like it. The downsides are poor heat transfer and very high price.
I love the look of the Mors pot but I would like to see FourDogs.com make a 3 liter version of it, maybe also a 4 liter version.
I use the very similar self reliance outfitters pot and love the design with the bale. The lid will become looser with usage.
This one doesn't become loose over time. I have used it a bunch and it is still pretty tight, which I prefer because it locks into position.
I have the exact pot with the bail and I would have to say its the best pot that I have used. The anodized aluminum is a better choice for me, looks better, cooks about the same (that I have found), and is lighter. I like the bail option bc I cook over wood fires and hanging the pot is my preference. The tight fitting lid is also something I look for in a pot bc I too hate the rattling and like having things nice and tidy.
I have the same exact pot but I was smart enough to get the bail attachment. ;-) After using a lot of different pots (SS, Ti, and aluminum) I think it's my favorite but I still have mixed feelings about the tight-fitting lid. Sure it can be used without a stuff sack but I usually use one anyway because it has a lot of soot on it since I use it with wood stoves or directly in the fire.
I normally like to check my water often so the tighter lid doesn't work for me BUT I guess it IS nice to have in case I am worried about it falling over OR I wanted to strain the water from pasta. But ideally it would have a way to twist and come out more easily imho but that's probably asking too much.
Great video as always!
i got the 2 qt with butterfly handle and mounted bail. problem i found was after multiple use the friction fit of the lid lessens and mine is no longer tight. ive used it for 2 yrs and well worth the money
Hi Krik,
Off topic here. What mic system are you using and how do you sync the audio and the video?
I'm a huge fan of yours and Stoney's pre and post production.
Cheers from Singapore,
Ayat
it will be interesting to see you compare the two possibly in the future. ss vs. alum.
The lid for boiling may not really be an issue, ultimately unless you are in a serious hurry the time difference wont matter, even with out using the lid at all. The old school aluminum stuff tends to warp easier I think, but the newer anodized may not. As the majority of time I spend in the woods is for hunting, and I don't do back country type, we haven't had need of these cook pots in recent years. I do keep a jetboil and my old girl scout cook kit for any emergency while traveling, in the car.
he likes the tight fitting lid because he can put stuff inside the pot in the pack without rattling. When actually using your COOK POT to COOK a tight fitting lid will not serve you well; which he did say. However the 1.1L (1qt pot) is a pretty good size for a backpacking pot. And in a group, if you have maybe 2 of these with each individual cups and such; this should work great. >> I own a good quality set of titanium pots. They are all relatively smaller and actually a pain to cook in. Due to the small size and thermodynamics of titanium, any water used to cook in the titanium gets cooked out really fast; and usually too soon, needing to add water before the cooking is done. >. Therefore a good quality pot a little larger than the small titanium ultralight stuff will serve you well. More efficient COOK time, more efficient use of labor going into the task of cooking, less babysitting with the larger aluminum pot.
I use a stainless "glacier" cup, titanium pot, with a pan lid - which does not fit tight - and have begun to prefer my biofuel stove w/ a trangia as a backup. Weight in a cook kit isn't that big of a deal to me, because my other gear is all ultralight, and having a fire contained when in the backcountry is nice, especially late in the day when you might fall asleep before it goes out. Obviously, safe fire practice is always mandatory when using a biostove.
Some people don't like the heat transfer characteristics of titanium, but I have to say, when using it it is nice to have cool handles, and rim on the pot. If we are all honest with ourselves, most of us are not cooking 5 course meals in the woods anyway. It's usually boil food, and drink, or salami/summer sausage and cheese otherwise. And a Ti long handle spoon cannot be beat as a utensil. I actually use mine at home on a regular basis.
These are just my opinions. I have used stainless, titanium and anodized aluminum cookware. I think what cookware you use depends on your individual situation, or what you are doing.That said for hiking, camping, woodscraft, solo, group, etc.... I do mostly use the 1.8 Mors Pot and it is my go to for the majority of what I do. For hiking I used a Snowpeak Ti1400, but plan to switch to the 1.1L Mors pot or the MSR Titan Kettle for that. I will say, no matter what though my Snow Peak Ti 600 single walled cup is with me on all occasions. It is great for soup, beer, Hot Toddies, boiling water for coffee, or heating some water just to get cleaned up. I can pack my MSR Whisperlite, or Snowpeak stove and canister in it. I do wish it actually came in anodized aluminum. I have just started field testing the Oilcamp Space saver mug. It is the perfect size and I like having the graduations. Except for group camping, I think it would be my go to for all things. I do think the anodizing on it is less then adiquite and has way less quality then the Mors pot. I also plan to try some Evernew stuff. No matter what though I would not use any "Non Stick" cookware. Again just my opinions.
I think you made the right choice in pot material. I have the 1.8L, before that I had the pathfinder pot which is good definitely but heavier indeed. with the aluminum pots being hard anodized it makes them longer lasting and with a lesser weight you cant go wrong.
Debating between the 1.1 & 1.8, how do you like yours?
I love the 1.8 its the perfect size for cooking small meals or large meals. Its packs great but still allows room inside for a stove (of many types) or other gear.
It definitely heats water and food up faster than the stainless ones.
we use an old aluminum camp cook set and it works great, all sizes. though personally I think I would rather have a bail on the pot your using just for ease of use
i like the technical shirt you have with the big pockets.
which brand is it?
+shar grosman Columbia.
there are medical articles that link Aluminium usage with Alzeheimer's disease, so I stay out from it. During my Boy Scout years, Aluminium was the only choice for the cooking sets and everything got stuck. making a fried egg was a nightmare :)
Those studies were from the 60's and new research has all but eliminated that link. See the above post I made to a similar statement about aluminum.
***** Aluminum has been long known to be neurotoxic, with mounting evidence that chronic exposure is a factor in many neurological diseases, including dementia, autism, and Parkinson's disease. Personally, I would not risk myself or my love ones
The electro-chemical anodizing process locks in the cookware's base metal, aluminum, which makes it non-porous and non-reactive. The aluminum is unavailable to leach into food, and many cooks consider it an ideal non-stick and scratch-resistant cooking surface.
That being said, I still prefer to stay away as the anodization can breakdown over time.
i bought that pot from wilderness outfitters /self reliance outfitters. the finish had gotten very dull after putting into dishwasher, check directions if given, i don't recall getting any. it is the perfect size for one or two meals or side item for four to six people.maybe more if you aren't a slob like me.
They changed how dishwashing soap was made some time ago to appease the tree hugging lot, phosphates removed if I remember correctly. It is now more prone to leaving crap on aluminum items when auto washed. You can google for details. I keep aluminum out of my dishwasher now.
does it fit in an alice pack pocket?
If it doesn't fit tight, it's really not a lid, it's just a casual cover with a propensity for falling off.
A stainless pot can live up to abuse like scrubbing etc but Aluminum Hard coat which comes only in grey and clear (yellowish hue) can't be scrubbed use only for boiling water. Aluminim has better heat transfer than Stainless and doesn't weigh as much. Copper is the best of both worlds but not too many around.
No store who sell them here in belgium,have this pot on my wish list for a few years now,one day I Will own one
Dave Canterbury did a video on that same topic
this is the pot what i want,only not available here
i like stainlesss and the bail is the way 2 go.
Any preference between stainless steel, aluminum, or titanium?
I still like stainless. Though I never used titanium much. You?
Stainless here as well. I've never bought a titanium pot. They've always been overpriced.
I'm a steel person because of sturdy and durability I'm not in hurry when I get out in the woods I'm still at a maybe a change the older I get and with Arthritis like I have now lighter not something turn away with out trying.. So if the model had all my criteria met for cooking on a fire. I like tight lids because I'm able to adjust those that are to a easy pop off lid if it's a lid that just there has no adjustment so options.yea I can rig anything I mean coming from the factory .Peace Pops Bushcraft
Durability would be my first concern!!
Stainless is always cheaper and easier to clean. Pot without a bail? Well, not rally a big fan of that.
I guess you did not test to see if the lid comes off easy when the pot is hot....
I did. It was still very tight when the pot was hot.
Black Owl Outdoors manipulate that lip on the lid a little bit. I rolled mine evenly on the countertop till I got the fit I wanted. Being non anodized, the lid is still malleable enough to essentially bend it into shape.
nice review but i never watch or take reviews into consideration that show unused, virgin, mint, freshly unboxed products.
there is no bail this is for day hikers not real bushman
did you not listen to the video?
+Collin Spencer hoo yea but i state the obvious
+Bushcraft Quebec why so negative?
Uh oh - he's back
you can order it with a bail. Mine has the bail.
Don't do aluminum