Clyde Stabling and Maintenance Facility & Rosehill Services Facility Update - Sydney Metro West
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- Опубліковано 10 лип 2024
- This is my first Sydney Metro Update on the new Clyde Stabling and Maintenance Facility for Sydney Metro West.
It covers a huge area of around 380,000 metres, and contained a number of interesting (and not so interesting) buildings, many of which have now disappeared for good!
Luckily, I've captured the vast majority of them on film, so you'll get to see them in this video.
This includes Sydney Speedway (also known as the Valvoline Raceway), which closed its doors in April 2021 and now has a brand new race track at Eastern Creek.
You'll also see the proposed track and building layout for the new Clyde Stabling and Maintenance Facility. And I cover in depth how the sidings will connect with the main Sydney Metro West running lines. This will involve using part of the old Carlingford Line trackbed, and then constructing a dive site at the old Rosehill Station.
I'll also reveal the proposed changes to Kay Street and Unwin Street, along with what will happen to Duck Creek and A'Becketts Creek.
I'll then cover the area north of Duck Creek which will be for the approach tracks and the new Rosehill Services Facility. This includes the heritage listed former RTA building. Find out if this will be staying or going!
This ended up being a long video, but I think you'll find it interesting, perhaps even fascinating to see how an old industrial area is going to transform to make way for the new Clyde Stabling and Maintenance Facility and Rosehill Services Facility.
Use the time stamps below to jump to the sections that interest you the most, or watch the entire video, so you don't miss any hidden gems.
** Time Stamps**
00:00 Introduction
01:32 Tennyson and Deniehy Street Buildings
04:48 Sydney Speedway
06:29 Sydney Helicopters and Sports Ground
07:13 Wentworth and Kay Street (East) Demolition
11:22 Kay Street (West) Demolition
13:49 Proposed layout for Clyde Maintenance and Stabling Facility
14:47 1 Unwin Street - Downer Site
16:09 1B Unwin Street Demolition - including heritage RTA Building
19:13 Road and Creek Changes
21:42 Approach Tracks, Old Carlingford Line, Dive Site and Rosehill Station
24:56 1C Unwin Street Demolition
27:08 Shirley Street Buildings
29:18 Proposed layout for Rosehill Services Facility
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This Paul will be a very great resource in the future for historical purposes. Very detailed, even naming businesses that were there!
Thanks! So often, what was there before gets forgotten so quickly, so I was very keen to have this as a video record!
Watching a 30 minute video like this takes me the best part of an hour, as I'm constantly rewinding or pausing and referring to google maps and street view. There's definitely enough information to give me a great picture of what's happening.
Hi David, yes there is a lot of information in that video! Possibly a little too much!
Hi Paul, I really enjoyed this video and I appreciate the work and research that you have undertaken to bring us this wonderful presentation. The magnitude of this project is unbelievable and I had no idea until now that the project was this advanced. The Parramatta Speedway was a favourite of my nephew and I often took him to the smash up derbies and the monster trucks which I enjoyed as much as he did. I lived in Guildford for a few years and I could hear the activity of the Speedway on Friday and Saturday nights while sitting on my balcony. I have been in Sydney since May 29th and returning to Wagga this Saturday but unfortunately I have had Covid during this time (my third episode of covid) and was really unwell. I apologise for not contacting you via email but hopefully I will be much healthier and more mobile when I next visit Sydney in October/November. I am looking forward to your next presentation (too professional to be a video).
Thanks John, glad you enjoyed it and thanks for sharing your memories of Sydney Speedway! Sorry to hear you're down with Covid again. I've somehow managed to avoid it so far. Yes do get in touch when you're next in Sydney and we can take a ride on the metro together! Hope you get better soon!
paul, youve made yet another great video, many thanks.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.
Awesome research. Thanks again for the outstanding work. It's as comprehensive a treatment of the site that anyone could expect. Surprised how quickly the project is all progressing.
Thanks Tacit! You're very welcome! Yes Sydney Metro West is progressing in earnest! All the buildings at Five Dock have now gone and most at Burwood North as well.
Hi Paul. The industrial rail network in that area was all connected to the Carlingford Line, those on the northern side of the racecourse via the Sandown Line. Industry to the south and east of Duck River/Creek, was connected to Clyde Yard. Before there was James Ruse Drive, there was Berry Street, and a very dangerous level crossing. Many terrible accidents there. Interesting origins of CHEP (originally Commonwealth Handling Equipment Pool) - born out of WW2 military logistics, and privatised in 1949.
Thanks Dave, I didn't realise that there used to be a Clyde Yard in this area! Thanks for the info on CHEP too. I plan to do a video on what's left of both the Carlingford and Sandown lines in the future.
@@TransportVlog Clyde Yard is still there. Seems to be a facility used mainly for loading the Garbage Train, unloading cement (probably from Maldon), and facilities for Pacific National and Sydney Trains.
@@daveg2104 Yes, I know the one you mean now! It's on the north side of the main line between Auburn and Clyde stations. I often sit on that side of the train to see what freight locos are in there!
G day Paul
Great info Vlog, many thanks, 2 branch lines came off the Carlingford between Parramatta Rd and Rosehill Racecourse, 1 went into the Asphalt Plant via a unprotected level crossing, the second was at former main road that is now JRuse Dr(3 tracks in all) 2 for the C line, the branch veered off to east into the DMR location.
Thanks for the update. I used to go to the speedway, when I was a kid. Every time I visit Sydney, I used to visit this site.
You're very welcome Philip. Hope it bought back some happy memories of the Speedway.
Hey another great video. I look forward to the old Carlingford line update, especially the section not taken up by Parramatta Light Rail. The level crossing across Parramatta Road has been long removed but there may still be some left over railway tracks.
Hi Henry, sadly, all the track has gone north of the level crossing on the Parramatta Road. The short section to the south of Parramatta Road and Clyde Station is used by the track inspection vehicles as their depot is there.
Great video! Thanks for all the info. Amazing research.
You're very welcome John. Glad you enjoyed it.
Certainly a lot of buildings have disappeared. Most of them seemed quite old and not really visually appealing, and besides, at least most of the businesses were able to move somewhere else. So I guess the buildings won’t be missed as much. The construction site size required is quite big for a stabling facility, so that’s pretty interesting. It’ll be sad to see the Rose Hill station go, but I guess it’s contributing it’s part to a more beneficial project. Thanks Paul, marvellous presentation.
Yes many have gone, and quite quickly too! The existing businesses had plenty of time to find new locations. It is quite large, probably a similar size to Trains Facility North at Tallawong. Glad you enjoyed this video.
Did my P plates at Stay upright back in May 2022 and we rode around Unwin Street. Now I know why council haven't bothered to fix any of the massive potholes!
Hi Alan, that's cool! I think I filmed the Stay Upright bit during May 2022. I've seen quite a few learner drivers on these streets, and the occasional cycling group too! Usually, its just me, and the occasional car or truck! I did all my visits at the weekend.
Brilliant video Paul. Really appreciate all your hard work.
Thanks Nathan - glad you enjoyed it!
This video, and the information contained therein, is very high quality work. Well done 👍
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
Thanks Paul, great job on all your Vlogs.
Hey Paul, thank you so much for this fascinating video. I appreciate all the research and time that went into this as well. Keep up the great work.
You're very welcome Danielle, Glad you enjoyed it! Yes will do.
15:15 RTA (Roads and Traffic Authority) late 1930s admin building possibly after being converted to some kind of formwork workshop hence the chimneys for sawdust. The whole area adjacent to the M4 Freeway looks like one of the first scenes in the 1983 Chevy Chase movie National Lampoons Vacation. Like the old TV advertisement used to say PARRAMATTA RACEWAY ... BE THERE!
That's interesting. I loved watching the National Lampoons Vacation films when I was a kid!
@@TransportVlog Like the Home Alone movies the Christmas Vacation one still looks modern to this day. The first two look dated now though.
What a great video I really appreciate the time and effort that you spent recording and producing this video. The area had a lot of history in relation to the buildings and racetrack which occupied the different parts of the new future Sydney Metro maintenance centre and stabling facility. I also appreciate the research that you undertook to identify the businesses that occupied the area. I look forward to see more videos on the progress of Sydney Metro West.
Thanks Frank, Glad you enjoyed it! This one required a lot of time and effort, and a trip to the races to film Rosehill Station, so glad you appreciate that. Google Maps helped a lot with identifying the businesses. The next Sydney Metro West video will probably be Sydney Olympic Park, which is much simpler, with only 3 buildings going!
What a great video Paul! The others have already said it all. Brilliant effort!
Thanks Jim, I appreciate your feedback!
Very interesting video Paul, thanks for the effort.
You're very welcome Domenic. Glad you found this video interesting.
Paul another great post saves me a walk around the area as I was going to do. I did have a walk around the Clyde Station area over the past two weeks so it's nice to know how it all falls together.
Thanks again.
Hi Paul, Glad it saved you a walk. I reckon its a good 3k to walk around the site! It's not an easy walk as there are no pavements on some parts (just grass verges) and Unwin Street has quite a few large trucks using this road!
H i Paul....love watching your videos...Ive been living in South Australia since 2003, but I was born and raised in Sydney.... I grew up in Dundas Valley, so your videos on the Carlingford line and the Bankstown line ( my maternal grandparents lived in Belmore/Lakemba) where I spent a lot of my childhood, bought back a lot of memories for me....keep up the good work :)
Hi Lorraine, Grad my videos are bringing back some of your childhood memories. Hope you can come back for a visit when Sydney Metro and Parramatta Light Rail have opened.
That was an epic video/documentary. I was strangely feeling sad for a lot of the buildings going, and I hope a lot of the riparian vegetation stays.
Yes it was rather! There was so much to cover! I'm sure the vegetation around Duck Creek and along the old Carlingford Line rail corridor will stay. Sadly, some of the other trees have come down.
@@TransportVlog Poor trees. They had to live through industrialisation, trucks, concrete everywhere. Then along can environmentally friendly PT and knocks them down! Say lah vee.
Great work mate really enjoyed listening to your explanation of what’s happening a lot of Sydney history being lost but that’s progress I guess
Hi John, thanks! - Yes , there are some interesting buildings that will become part of Sydney's history, and although sad to see these go, I'm also excited by what will take their place!
Impessive reporting that obviously required alot of research and effort. Your video is impressive and very well done. Thank you for your efforts.
Thanks so much for your lovely feedback Doug, Glad you appreciate the effort that went into this video.
Thanks Paul, I have been looking for you and here you are. This was a great production and I hope you don't mind me screen shooting some pictures of the old Rosehill station. All the work researching and the photos and video of before and after of old buildings is also appreciated. Weather permitting I will be in Parramatta on Friday 8/7/22 to get my own update on Parramatta CBD Light Rail doings. I will start at the junction of Pennant Hills Rd, Villiers and Church St end. I am getting a ride to get around the rail industrial action, but I won't have a car.
Hi Geoff, yes of course, you're very welcome to take some screenshots. I've been working on this video off and on for a few months now, so that helped with tracking the demolition. Hope you make it to the Parramatta Light Rail on Friday. Look forward to seeing some of your photos. I will be 2 or 3 more weeks before I'm planning to visit again. There is now a canopy at the Eat Street stop, so definitely check that one out.
The overall cost of the project must be eye-watering. They must be pretty confident it will turn a profit.
Just the land acquisition cost from this video alone would be quite substantial, and that's before any actual work even begins.
It will definitely be interesting to see the final product once the project is finished.
Yes it is! However, it's not really about it making a profit, more about ensuring that Sydney's transport can cope with existing and future population growth. A big driver for this new line is the existing Central and Parramatta line being at capacity. Also it's hard to put a price on quicker journey times and less road congestion as people switch to the metro.
Don’t Worry 😉
The chief reason for this is The Future Development and Building of Appartments and Commercial/Shopping.
Local Councils need the Rates,
State Government needs the Stamp Duty and GST
That older white building at DAVCRON was a facade for a shed behind it where electrical works would be undertaken. It had some rooms but they were used for storage and tech.
Thanks for sharing that! - Good to know that this older building had a purpose.
Thank you Paul, Douglas Brooks, I lived along the Carlingford line for more than 20 years, both at Rydalmere, and Carlingford. I would like to let you know while I lived there back in the 50's and 60's during the change over from Steam to Electrification all trains would use the long race course platform the race trains would be stored on the Shell works siding. Have a great day and thank you for your information. Best wishes. Douglas.
You're very welcome Douglas. Great to know that the long platform was used by all trains in the 60s. I'm assuming it was used since then for trains terminating at the race course.
Hi Paul, I enjoy your updates, especially this one as it brings back a lot of memories for me. I started work at these DMR premises in 1972, which in those days were the big mechanical engineering workshops, with the fitting name of "Central Workshop". The adjacent hotmix plant was also a DMR facility until privatised in the early nineties. A lot of innovative engineering was undertaken at these workshops as back then the private sector wasn't as developed as it is now.
After 25 years I moved out of mechanical engineering and went on to build the NSW Transport Management Centre (TMC) which opened in 1999 in time to manage the Olympic Transport effort. I stayed on at the TMC developing the systems it uses to manage the transport network till I retired a couple of years ago.
Anyways keep up the good work!
Hi Chris, Thanks for sharing your memories of the DMR premises and this industrial area in general. I didn't realise that the hotmix plant was originally part of the DMR facility. Seems like you've had a very rewarding, fulfilling and enjoyable career! Glad you're enjoying my updates.
It makes a lot of sense to keep the concrete plant operating. Otherwise, they would probably have brought in a relocatable batching plant, which would cost considerably more than leaving the existing one in place during construction.
Hi Athol, yes it does make a lot of sense. According to the EIS, all buildings were going, except for the RTA one, but plans might have changed this since then.
good video mate
Thanks Joseph
Thanks again Paul for this remarkable opus. All very enlightening and nostalgic for this area I knew in my childhookd and beyond..You have done a huge amount of research which has borne fruit for an excellent presentation As for those rail lines you queried: I am wondering if they are remnant of the old steam tram line which ran from George STreet Parramatta then along Grand Parade to the wharf at the junction of Parramatta river and Duck river. I have checked with a 1934 map. Interesting conjecture!
Hi Luke, you're very welcome. Glad you enjoyed my video tour of this area. Yes it could be. I think they may have also linked to the old Sandown Line, which ran along Grand Parade. Or it could have been a self-contained industrial railway!
Thanks!
Thanks Iaen! I very much appreciate that!
makes a lot of sense to keep the asphalt plant and the concrete batching plant, they are going to need one anyway! Will make construction a lot quicker as a lot of the required gear is already there
Hi Karl, it's funny! - I was thinking the same thing! Let's see what happens!
These two guys should have a stand up act!
Hi Leven, humm! so which two guys are you referring too?
Hello Good morning Transport Vlog I even had Clyde T6 Carlingford Line Is Closed 1888 and 2020 132 years Sydney Metro West And Construction 🏗 Start soon. Allow users of Maintenance 👨🔧 Replace Light rail Parramatta 2023.
Thanks always for your informative videos. Would you be able to do updates, or explain when finished, the new upgrade to Mascot Rail Station? This additional station entrance will be of interest to us Tourists who prefer to stay near the airport.
Hi Kay, Glad you're enjoying them! Yes I'll do Mascot when its finished and I'll definitely cover the new entrance :-)
@@TransportVlog Great thanks Paul. Hope to stay down there at Mascot Central in mid Nov, so might bump into you.
Used to go to the speedway back in the 70's when it was known by various names but colloquially as Parramatta raceway
Hi Graeme, Yes it seems to have had a few different names over the years. I took a wonder around this area again about 6 weeks ago, and the speedway was still there.
It's sad to see it being demolished.
Hi Paul, thanks for yet another interesting update. Just curious, how far is this from the planned Carlingford light rail line? I remember the Carlingford train used to run from Clyde, though I am not sure if the light rail passes anywhere near Clyde. Sydney Speedway apparently used to have a temporary FM station on air in operation, during big races, though I have never heard it myself. I love the piece of pink in the vacant lot...talk about their determination to advertise those blinds!!! LOL. Interesting seeing the lawyers building going, especially when they were helping people having problems with their properties being acquired. Interesting seeing the old train lines near Unwin Street. Anyway, take care3. Rob.
Hi Rob, Glad you enjoyed it. Clyde will be the closest station to the maintenance facility. the Camellia stop on Parramatta Light Rail will be the closest for the Rosehill Racecourse. The light rail then heads west along Tramway Avenue and into Parramatta. The Parramatta Light Rail maintenance facility will be just a little north of where the Rosehill Services Facility will be. I'll cover this more on my next light rail update which is planned for August. Glad you enjoyed learning about the demolished buildings. The law firm one was very ironic! Sydney Speedway is still there, but I think will be demolished quite soon now!
Oh wow! The IMP coatings site was once owned or occupied by the Truswell family, neighbours when I was a youth. I assume that IMP is/was owned by one of their descendants. Good people. I imagine some of them still live in Sydney. Their site there was occupied, for a time whilst parts of the original motorway was constructed. I guess the family may have had to move out of the site twice now
Hi David! - that's interesting! I couldn't figure out when IMP coatings may have closed (or moved). Googling IMP coatings just brings up their old address on Kay Street.
DEAR Paul , I am from Queensland and only been to Sydney 4 times in my life. I believe the likes of Downer and Hymix will stay on the basis of the construction will need concrete and ashpalt on the site . Those guys have that and will save the NSW Government some pennies as that infrastructure is already there. Thanks for the education lesson.
Hi Russell, Good to hear from a Queenslander! Downer is definitely moving. There is a whole plan is place for that. I agree that HY-TEC concrete would be very useful if it stayed! Let's see what happens!
Hi Paul. Once again a thoroughly enjoyable video on the massive changes being caused by Sydney Metro West construction. You should apply for a PhD from Western Syney Uni for all of your research and documentation of the development taking place in Sydney's west during these current years. By the way, how did you make the plane fly backwards at 25:20 ?? Keep up the great work Paul !!
Hi John, glad you enjoyed it! Yes that would be an interesting idea. I know that students use my videos to help with their research. Well spotted! I reversed some of the clips to make parts of the video easier to follow. If you look very closely, you might spot a car going backwards too!
21:05.... Unwin St elevated 250 metres above the tracks, wooh the views will be spectacular, should be able to see the entire Sydney basin from up there... lol
LOL! - Yep little mistake there! The elevated section is 250 metres in length, not height!
@@TransportVlog glad you cleared that up
Interesting, the Auburn rail servicing facility is just south of the motorway, from this site, but the fastest way to get there is probably a paddle along the Duck River.
I thought it might be some sort of co location, sharing services, but a glance at the map indicates probably not.
Hi Francesco! - I'm not sure if I'd want to paddle along Duck Creek! No it's quite a way from any of the existing maintenance facilities, but it seems to be in the right place, in relation to where the tunnels will be. The new Parramatta Light Rail Maintenance Facility will be in the Rosehill industrial area, so quite close by!
Ron Jones, an Engineer Manager at DMR Central Workshop had those trees planted. A good legacy! Probably the philistines will be itching to cut them down?
That's interesting Ron! Hopefully they'll stay, but I think some will be in the way of the access tracks.
My son and I use to go to Parramatta speedway quite a lot to watch the V8 sprintcars one of my old bosses use to drive one....was very sad to see the speedway go....
Hi Lorraine, yes it is a little sad. I don't we'll be seeing any speeding metro trains! - Much more likely to be stationary!
downer used to be called clyde engineering, and they had a site close to clyde station. i can't find any good sources to confirm, but i would assume that the site where the current downer building on unwin st resides was where the old clyde engineering site was, and trains were definitely constructed there during the clyde engineering days
Thanks Lorenzo, I didn't realise that Downer used to be called "Clyde Engineering" Thanks for sharing this.
paul, can you do an end of the line video at lithgow?
Yes definitely! - It's on the list!
The road elevated 250 metres above the tracks? I think that is a little high, do you mean 2.5 metres?
Thanks for pointing this out. I just checked the modification report and I missed read it slightly. Its actually 250 metres of the length of the realigned road that will be elevated! 250 metres high would be taller than the Chifley Tower in Sydney's CBD!
Hi Paul, if it’s possible that you can go to North Strathfield Metro station? Thanks haha
Yes it's on the list, along with Pyrmont and Sydney Olympic Park.
oh Well Paul ..... as a retired NSW Railway maintenance [ Locos , railcars wagons ] , You did a good job ......... Personally not into the Private run Sydney Metro .... unmanned and nil station staff ............ BUT , they have to have MAINTENANCE STAFF ..... how various State governments have totally changed the NSW Railway system .
Hi Terry, yes they do have maintenance staff, and signalling and control rooms staff as well, and of course some managers (like any business)
Transport vlog when will it open?
Sydney Metro West is due to open in 2030, so still a few years away!
its ashame the bridge at grand ave isnt going as its pretty much pointless now
Yes I guess it will be!
if the plan is the make it residential at some point it would make sense
The real question i'd like to know is if the brothel on Wentworth St is staying or moving to a new location 🤣🤣🤣
LOL! It's been stripped bare literally!
At the 21:00 mark I gather you mean there will be 250m of elevated road not that the road will be 250m high 😆
Yes that's right! It will be elevated for 250 metres in length! 250 metres high would be rather scary!
Query - How can you demolish a heritage listed bridge - isn't the purpose of the heritage listing to legally stop any future destruction and to preserve history. If you can demolish a heritage listed building then the whole purpose of heritage listing seems quite superfluous and offensive to the original decision, its a complete oxymoron
Hi Stephen, It's complicated!, but basically a process has to be followed to consider all other options before a heritage building can be demolished. And in most cases, that process will find a way to retain the building, but not always. In the case of the Rosehill Railway Bridge, the alternative route for the tracks, would have involved redirecting major utilities (such as water, electricity, gas, or sewage) which would have been very expensive and disruptive. You can read more about this in this doc - majorprojects.planningportal.nsw.gov.au/prweb/PRRestService/mp/01/getContent?AttachRef=SSI-10038-MOD-2%2120211123T031939.185%20GMT
Just get rid of the bridge & the station, 1959 is not exactly heritage. I was 12 years old when this was built & was modern then so what is the big deal. Heritage should be earlier than the 1940s.
Hi Louise, that's what's going to happen! Quite a lot of Rosehill station has now been demolished. Good that the former RTA building is staying. I went back there a couple of weeks ago, and Downer and the cement works have now gone, along with the Sydney Speedway buildings.