The copper one actually surprised me. It has a very nice solid sound to it, but I think my favorite is the aluminum one. It is crazy the work you put into these videos. Thank you!
soo much value in this thank you a lot for this video this will be the base for a bright future in the keyboard community even if the views are less right now, the amount of value is undeniable. thx
This video is an invaluable resource. It would be great to have a summary video with your thoughts/preferences as well, e.g. are tactiles better on metal plates for more feedback / are softer materials better for linears? etc. Thank you for taking the time to make this with such high production quality!
I super appreciate you man! Well, I will admit I think my type of content is also the reason why I'm not growing as fast. Because I'm not dedicated to just one thing (keyboards), I'm a hybrid creator. So the viewers and audience, how it all affects metrics is a bit... suboptimal lol
@@hardlinenexus honestly appreciate this content more than those popular content creators. All my friends (who are into keyboards & tech) love your channel. Keep up the work & we’ll keep enjoying the content 🙏
I just want to say that I find your video super helpful. I was so confused about the difference in plates and this really helped me differentiate them! 💜
Heeey, you took my advice per last similar vid! Huge increase in value per consumer click here. Even you target keyboard was strategic. Very nice! Thank you taking the time to do all of this. I bet the logistics behind this vid could be a vid all by itself. 💡
Oh, it was that we as the audience wanted to know your opinion instead of just clicky sounds. lol Question, what materials in plates and dampeners give off a deep thock? I know brass is a no go at this station. lol
@@forresttaylor1253 I've gotten mixed answers from people based on the fact we all use different devices to listen on. And when this happens, it's difficult to give an accurate answer. Someone said aluminum was the deepest, and someone else said copper was the deepest. And I agree with both lol.
Thank you for this!!! 🙏🏻😍 I was debating between aluminum or copper for a while now but i know i’ll get aluminum for my build now 💕🙏🏻 I love the way you systemize it from typing all first then tapping the keys separately
i got the mode eighty and the sonnet and now just bought a mode sixty five because i thought why not have all of them in the collection lmao, good job !
is it half or full plate? Curious your take on difference between Carbon Fiber vs. FR4? You mentioned in video that it is similar to each other in term of sound- but I think CF is less flex vs. FR4 correct?
This is quite interesting. I also tried nearly all plates and combinations and feel like my results are kind of the opposite. For me the iso top mount sounds the best and makes differences between plates more significant. My favorite plates are POM and Copper and I'd say every single plate feels quite different. The CF that seems popular was nogo for me as the feel and sound as well was just terrible. I'm surprised preferences in this regard differ so wastly. Love the video btw.
They're discontinuing the Mode65 as of 2 days ago! No more restocks, if its out of stock its not coming back! If you need spares or any other parts i would order it asap! I believe the 75 is going to replace it.
The isolated top mount sounds and feels best for me. Maybe because I'm using the full PC case and there's no ping at all but all thocc Using it with carbon fiber half plate. it sounds so poppy ! If you want to make further content then PC case would be nice to watch also :D
Whats the flex diff between fr4 and carbon fiber? Which ones more stiff? I DID hear a BIG difference between copper n brass. I'm surprised copper gets used considering the potential of complications that could occur because of conductivity.
I currently have a hotswap PCB with FR4 and POM plates. The FR4 is less flexy but to me it feels a little softer and has a better sound profile. I think I'm gonna order a solder PCB and POM or FR4 half plate. What're your thoughts on the best half plate with tactile switches?
I need some help. I have a mode65 with brass in isolated top mount. Why does the top number row and left/down arrow keys sound so different from the alphas? 🤔
To my ears, Brass and Copper have a mid to low deep tone while Aluminum has a fuller deep tone. All three are thock sounding, but sometimes sound like a combination of clack and thock, a clock. These three have my favorite sound signature. If I had to choose one, it would be either Brass or Copper. Brass is a heavier baritone, Copper is a heavier monotone.
To be completely fair I found the copper to sound much deeper and thockier than all the others based on your video, like night and day from the rest. I’m planning to buy a mode myself but I’m worried that the copper colour is not exactly copper but more orange. I don’t know if it’s a problem of colour saturation with al the videos and photos I see if if it’s really so orange. What would you say?
Hey thanks for the feedback. So I have a few thoughts on your comment here. A few factors to consider. 1. Curious, what device are you listening on? Because different devices may also give you different results, which is fine by the way, nothing wrong with that. I also make that disclaimer in my test setup page before the sound test. 2. Everyone has different ears and perception and definition of what "deep" and "thock" is. What I said at the end of this video here is mostly based off of what I hear in person (and I also try to align that with what my microphone delivers to viewers). But I gotta say, this keyboard to my ears comes nothing anywhere near "deep" or "thock". And all the plates sound quite close to each other to me, it's not a big enough difference IMO. However, I can agree that copper is the "deepest" out of the plates, but by no means does it sound deep or thocky at all in this build/keyboard (again just what I hear in person). Also, keep in mind this is only with one set of switches so results may vary depending on your build. 3. The copper components for the SixtyFive are more orange than "copper" color (more brownish tint if that's what you mean).
@@hardlinenexus thanks a lot for your reply and insights. To answer your question it was on my laptop and with headphones and yes absolutely, I didn’t mean that I was thockier and deeper in an absolute way but more in a relative one. Relative to the other combinations of this very same board as you presented it as you are pointing out in 2. Thanks for clarifying on the copper; that’s the only thing that is holding me back a little, I’d love to try copper for a change but I’m worried I might not like it if it’s too much on the orange side. Maybe I should go for mirror black and carbon fibre instead, or brass although that came across a little high pitched and pingy with through my device.
@@hardlinenexus Although not OP, I'm using the HD800s through the ifi Zen DAC and using Equalizer APO, and to me aluminium sounds the deepest, followed by FR4, followed by copper, POM full and carbon fibre are a tie, and brass is the highest. To me the copper sounds thockiest, and the POM sounds 'blockiest' (what I call the bucket of Lego sound)
I’m especially curious about this one to see if I made the right choices with my purchase. Ordered a POM & Carbon fiber half plate, and a Copper & Poly full plate for a hotswap build
Question. Do you enjoy the half plate build? I'm thinking of doing FR4 half plate for my wyvern 65 but not sure. I heard the typing experience is really nice & sounds nicer in videos from what I've heard. Are other differences?
Ehhh i'm not really a fan of half plates. i like full plates, and honestly i don't really hear the difference much at all. it's just the building process is easier when there's a full plate holding the switches in place, more stability and less wobble.
@@3AsianBoi for hotswaps yeah. For solder they are more stable. But even taking wobble out of the discussion, I just still prefer full plates. Half plates are weird for me lol
Always. POM and PC will always be more difficult. You have to use a prying tool to make sure each switch goes in flush. That's something you'll get with every keyboard that gives you a POM or PC plate option.
Foam layers, more poron usually does it for me. But for this SixtyFive board, it's not very apparent though. You can also try liquid silicone, but that doesn't always work for every board. It depends on bottom case if it has the structure to allow you to do that
I'm still new to custom keyboards and came to this video with the thought of ordering an extra plate for a Sonnet I have on preorder and was contemplating the carbon fiber, but now that I'm hearing the carbon fiber here it sounds super clacky to the point of annoying! The aluminum is how I usually expect a "good" board to sound like but the copper sounds like I want to eat it. 🤤 (But I suppose since it's a different board it could still sound way different)
Copper is going to higher pitched than carbon fiber. Aluminum and FR4 is where I like it. POM and PC would be my next choices, but I don't like soft plates personally, annoying to install and build with but they can sound good...
@@hardlinenexus Do you mean that in the context of the Sonnet or in general? But yea I actually ordered POM initially so I wanted a more stiff plate as well, one of the reasons being that they are supposedly easier to work with like you say.
Gonna be honest here. I think you provide content that no other youtuber can provide when it comes to making purchase choices. I've even specced my order of the sixty five from your videos. But I can't help but feel like you let a little bit too much personal bias dictate parts of your videos like @1:20 for example. It kind of feels a bit like "this is what I think is best so you have to accept it too" vibe. Still massively appreciate your content though and feel that you provide something completely unique and genuinely helpful that no one else brings to the table. Also it scares me to even imagine how much time and effort it takes to make these videos. Just wanted to give a bit of constructive criticism. Hope you don't mind that!
Constructive criticism and feedback is always welcomed. I appreciate the compliment as well, yeah these videos do take a long time. Every person will have some sort of biased, but when I say it sounds and feels the best, that just means I think it does, after building it 10-12x. It means that's what it sounds and feels like to me in person. Nobody else has to agree with it. Even if it's a "vibe" because of the way I said it, the tone, the energy etc... it doesn't mean what I think or feel of the keyboard is what everyone should get as well. Hope this makes sense :)
@@hardlinenexus this does make a lot more sense when you put it this way! I appreciate the explanation despite me just nit picking. Despite all I've said though, your content imo is absolutely invaluable in this hobby and genuinely want to say thanks for the time and effort you put to into all your videos!
@@hardlinenexus The sound of my keyboard! Listening to your video entirely then to hear this Logitech G Pro.. I need one of those (Would love to buy one, one day)
Oh wow, Is Aluminium really deeper sounding than FR4?? I thought FR4 would be deeper. Haven't tried either of them myself just gone of random YT videos.
I'm new to custom boards and need some help if you don't mind. Would you say a half plate will create a more thocky sound compared to a full plate? It's hard to hear on the sound tests.
I don't have an answer for that nor could I. Because the anatomy differs from keyboard to keyboard. The answer can be yes for one, and no for another...
The copper one actually surprised me. It has a very nice solid sound to it, but I think my favorite is the aluminum one.
It is crazy the work you put into these videos. Thank you!
This is a great comparison. Appreciate you taking the time to do this for us. ❤😊
soo much value in this thank you a lot for this video this will be the base for a bright future in the keyboard community even if the views are less right now, the amount of value is undeniable. thx
Thank you! That is the goal
This video is an invaluable resource. It would be great to have a summary video with your thoughts/preferences as well, e.g. are tactiles better on metal plates for more feedback / are softer materials better for linears? etc. Thank you for taking the time to make this with such high production quality!
Honestly best youtube. You deserve way more subscribers man. Legit every video is a banger & can tell how much thought & work you put into them
I super appreciate you man! Well, I will admit I think my type of content is also the reason why I'm not growing as fast. Because I'm not dedicated to just one thing (keyboards), I'm a hybrid creator. So the viewers and audience, how it all affects metrics is a bit... suboptimal lol
@@hardlinenexus honestly appreciate this content more than those popular content creators. All my friends (who are into keyboards & tech) love your channel. Keep up the work & we’ll keep enjoying the content 🙏
I just want to say that I find your video super helpful. I was so confused about the difference in plates and this really helped me differentiate them! 💜
Thank you so much for doing this for real. I know this is a very time consuming process and this really helped me out a lot. Cheers!
Another banger after Mr Suit series! I wasn’t going to get this keyboard but because of you….
ayyyeee
@@hardlinenexus are you going to join the Mr Suit’s collab gb for ABS and PP plates?
@@CMLXMNDXv I am not, not even sure how that even works haha
Amazing work, Haurjie
Thank you!
your videos helped me a lot deciding what plates to get
Heeey, you took my advice per last similar vid! Huge increase in value per consumer click here. Even you target keyboard was strategic. Very nice! Thank you taking the time to do all of this. I bet the logistics behind this vid could be a vid all by itself. 💡
They thanks! Wait which advice was it? Haha
Oh, it was that we as the audience wanted to know your opinion instead of just clicky sounds. lol
Question, what materials in plates and dampeners give off a deep thock? I know brass is a no go at this station. lol
@@forresttaylor1253 I've gotten mixed answers from people based on the fact we all use different devices to listen on. And when this happens, it's difficult to give an accurate answer. Someone said aluminum was the deepest, and someone else said copper was the deepest. And I agree with both lol.
Thank you for this!!! 🙏🏻😍 I was debating between aluminum or copper for a while now but i know i’ll get aluminum for my build now 💕🙏🏻 I love the way you systemize it from typing all first then tapping the keys separately
i got the mode eighty and the sonnet and now just bought a mode sixty five because i thought why not have all of them in the collection lmao, good job !
My MODE SixtyFive specs for gaming --
Build Code: 1A2I3G4F5B6A7B8A
Top case: Black
Bottom case: Silver Mirror
Backpiece: Silver Mirror
Plate: Carbon Fiber
Plate Foam: Yes
Silicone Base: Yes
Solder PCB
Sakurio silent switches
Keycaps: Undecided
which plate?
@@valen6198 hahaha forgot to add that, carbon fiber
is it half or full plate? Curious your take on difference between Carbon Fiber vs. FR4? You mentioned in video that it is similar to each other in term of sound- but I think CF is less flex vs. FR4 correct?
@@tantran2711 CF is less flex yeah. If you choose isolated top mount or top mount. In stack mount it doesn't matter because there's no room to flex.
There we gooo
great work man!
Thank you I appreciate it!
This is quite interesting. I also tried nearly all plates and combinations and feel like my results are kind of the opposite. For me the iso top mount sounds the best and makes differences between plates more significant. My favorite plates are POM and Copper and I'd say every single plate feels quite different. The CF that seems popular was nogo for me as the feel and sound as well was just terrible. I'm surprised preferences in this regard differ so wastly. Love the video btw.
Damn why do I feel like the MODE is one of your top favourite 65%
It's currently my ONLY 65% keyboard I own right now hahaha.
They're discontinuing the Mode65 as of 2 days ago! No more restocks, if its out of stock its not coming back! If you need spares or any other parts i would order it asap! I believe the 75 is going to replace it.
thumbsd up thanks for the hard work bro
The isolated top mount sounds and feels best for me. Maybe because I'm using the full PC case and there's no ping at all but all thocc
Using it with carbon fiber half plate. it sounds so poppy !
If you want to make further content then PC case would be nice to watch also :D
The pom for sure lol I actually liked the pom full plate the most lol
Whats the flex diff between fr4 and carbon fiber? Which ones more stiff?
I DID hear a BIG difference between copper n brass. I'm surprised copper gets used considering the potential of complications that could occur because of conductivity.
Carbon fiber is a harder material than fr4
I currently have a hotswap PCB with FR4 and POM plates. The FR4 is less flexy but to me it feels a little softer and has a better sound profile. I think I'm gonna order a solder PCB and POM or FR4 half plate. What're your thoughts on the best half plate with tactile switches?
I need some help. I have a mode65 with brass in isolated top mount.
Why does the top number row and left/down arrow keys sound so different from the alphas? 🤔
Haurjie, no hate or anything, but why you hit the space bar with your index finger?
Because that's just how I type.
To my ears, Brass and Copper have a mid to low deep tone while Aluminum has a fuller deep tone.
All three are thock sounding, but sometimes sound like a combination of clack and thock, a clock.
These three have my favorite sound signature. If I had to choose one, it would be either Brass or Copper.
Brass is a heavier baritone, Copper is a heavier monotone.
How do I know if a plate fits my keyboard
To be completely fair I found the copper to sound much deeper and thockier than all the others based on your video, like night and day from the rest. I’m planning to buy a mode myself but I’m worried that the copper colour is not exactly copper but more orange. I don’t know if it’s a problem of colour saturation with al the videos and photos I see if if it’s really so orange. What would you say?
Hey thanks for the feedback. So I have a few thoughts on your comment here. A few factors to consider.
1. Curious, what device are you listening on? Because different devices may also give you different results, which is fine by the way, nothing wrong with that. I also make that disclaimer in my test setup page before the sound test.
2. Everyone has different ears and perception and definition of what "deep" and "thock" is. What I said at the end of this video here is mostly based off of what I hear in person (and I also try to align that with what my microphone delivers to viewers). But I gotta say, this keyboard to my ears comes nothing anywhere near "deep" or "thock". And all the plates sound quite close to each other to me, it's not a big enough difference IMO. However, I can agree that copper is the "deepest" out of the plates, but by no means does it sound deep or thocky at all in this build/keyboard (again just what I hear in person). Also, keep in mind this is only with one set of switches so results may vary depending on your build.
3. The copper components for the SixtyFive are more orange than "copper" color (more brownish tint if that's what you mean).
@@hardlinenexus thanks a lot for your reply and insights. To answer your question it was on my laptop and with headphones and yes absolutely, I didn’t mean that I was thockier and deeper in an absolute way but more in a relative one. Relative to the other combinations of this very same board as you presented it as you are pointing out in 2. Thanks for clarifying on the copper; that’s the only thing that is holding me back a little, I’d love to try copper for a change but I’m worried I might not like it if it’s too much on the orange side. Maybe I should go for mirror black and carbon fibre instead, or brass although that came across a little high pitched and pingy with through my device.
@@hardlinenexus Although not OP, I'm using the HD800s through the ifi Zen DAC and using Equalizer APO, and to me aluminium sounds the deepest, followed by FR4, followed by copper, POM full and carbon fibre are a tie, and brass is the highest. To me the copper sounds thockiest, and the POM sounds 'blockiest' (what I call the bucket of Lego sound)
I’m especially curious about this one to see if I made the right choices with my purchase. Ordered a POM & Carbon fiber half plate, and a Copper & Poly full plate for a hotswap build
There's no wrong choice ;)
Very informative video man.
Will you be reviewing any of the freebird keyboards any time soon?
I didnt get any freebird samples so unfortunately nah lol
not sure if it's the spacebar key itself or the stabilizers but for sure there is ticking coming from the spacebar
there's a tiny tiny bit yea
Question. Do you enjoy the half plate build? I'm thinking of doing FR4 half plate for my wyvern 65 but not sure. I heard the typing experience is really nice & sounds nicer in videos from what I've heard. Are other differences?
Ehhh i'm not really a fan of half plates. i like full plates, and honestly i don't really hear the difference much at all. it's just the building process is easier when there's a full plate holding the switches in place, more stability and less wobble.
@@hardlinenexus ahh I see. So half plates are more wobbling when typing?
@@3AsianBoi for hotswaps yeah. For solder they are more stable. But even taking wobble out of the discussion, I just still prefer full plates. Half plates are weird for me lol
I have an tofu65 with brass plate and it feels a bit stiff and harsh on the bottom out.
Would i feel any difference going with a carbon fiber plate?
Nice video, really informative. did u use hotswap for the half plate?? If yes, hows the experience? Isit woobly or fixed
Half plates will mostly always be wobbly on hotswap. Yes I used hotswap for these tests
So if I want to go for higher pitch sound, I can choose either cf or brass?
Brass, copper, aluminum, cf
Did u have trouble inserting switches into the socket with the pom plate
Always. POM and PC will always be more difficult. You have to use a prying tool to make sure each switch goes in flush. That's something you'll get with every keyboard that gives you a POM or PC plate option.
@@hardlinenexus thanks for the info. First time using pom for me
It’s very hard to hear ping/resonance on a sound test, which mods are best to reduce ping to zero? It drives me crazy
Foam layers, more poron usually does it for me. But for this SixtyFive board, it's not very apparent though. You can also try liquid silicone, but that doesn't always work for every board. It depends on bottom case if it has the structure to allow you to do that
I'm still new to custom keyboards and came to this video with the thought of ordering an extra plate for a Sonnet I have on preorder and was contemplating the carbon fiber, but now that I'm hearing the carbon fiber here it sounds super clacky to the point of annoying! The aluminum is how I usually expect a "good" board to sound like but the copper sounds like I want to eat it.
🤤
(But I suppose since it's a different board it could still sound way different)
Copper is going to higher pitched than carbon fiber. Aluminum and FR4 is where I like it. POM and PC would be my next choices, but I don't like soft plates personally, annoying to install and build with but they can sound good...
@@hardlinenexus Do you mean that in the context of the Sonnet or in general? But yea I actually ordered POM initially so I wanted a more stiff plate as well, one of the reasons being that they are supposedly easier to work with like you say.
Gonna be honest here. I think you provide content that no other youtuber can provide when it comes to making purchase choices. I've even specced my order of the sixty five from your videos. But I can't help but feel like you let a little bit too much personal bias dictate parts of your videos like @1:20 for example. It kind of feels a bit like "this is what I think is best so you have to accept it too" vibe. Still massively appreciate your content though and feel that you provide something completely unique and genuinely helpful that no one else brings to the table. Also it scares me to even imagine how much time and effort it takes to make these videos. Just wanted to give a bit of constructive criticism. Hope you don't mind that!
Constructive criticism and feedback is always welcomed. I appreciate the compliment as well, yeah these videos do take a long time. Every person will have some sort of biased, but when I say it sounds and feels the best, that just means I think it does, after building it 10-12x. It means that's what it sounds and feels like to me in person. Nobody else has to agree with it. Even if it's a "vibe" because of the way I said it, the tone, the energy etc... it doesn't mean what I think or feel of the keyboard is what everyone should get as well. Hope this makes sense :)
@@hardlinenexus this does make a lot more sense when you put it this way! I appreciate the explanation despite me just nit picking. Despite all I've said though, your content imo is absolutely invaluable in this hobby and genuinely want to say thanks for the time and effort you put to into all your videos!
I like aluminum! Keep up the great content! (Typing on my keyboard feels weird now lol)
Thanks! Haha why does typing on your keyboard feel weird?
@@hardlinenexus The sound of my keyboard! Listening to your video entirely then to hear this Logitech G Pro.. I need one of those (Would love to buy one, one day)
Oh wow, Is Aluminium really deeper sounding than FR4?? I thought FR4 would be deeper. Haven't tried either of them myself just gone of random YT videos.
Yea pretty surprising. In my other keyboard experiences, FR4 is normally deeper..
@@hardlinenexus Aluminium sounds more muted and FR4 more "wet". I like aluminium better.
What set is that?
Y'all are straight hallucinating. All of these sound the same.
I'm new to custom boards and need some help if you don't mind. Would you say a half plate will create a more thocky sound compared to a full plate? It's hard to hear on the sound tests.
I don't have an answer for that nor could I. Because the anatomy differs from keyboard to keyboard. The answer can be yes for one, and no for another...
I literally cannot tell the difference
Top mount, aka, "Fleece mount"
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