Uberleben Stoker New VS Old Version - Comprehensive Review
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- Опубліковано 15 бер 2024
- Uberleben Stoker - New Version
www.uberleben.co/products/sto...
$79.22 USD
Comes With
Köchen-X Grill Grate - Wire-formed from food grade 304 stainless, we over-engineered not just to boil water, but flame grill whatever nature is serving.
Waxed canvas sleeve
Specifications New Old
Weight 1lb 4oz / 566g 14.2oz / 404gr
Height 5.5” / 140mm 6.25" / 15.9cm
Width Top 3.9” / 100mm 3.75" / 9.5cm
Width Bottom 4.9” / 125mm 5.0" / 12.7cm
Material 304 stainless steel with bead blast and high-heat ceramic coating
So what's different? Aside from the obvious; Stainless Grill Grate (added stability and practical cooking surface) -- we also increased the Baseplate Thickness by 25% (higher heat tolerance with less warping), and redesigned panels for Decreased Airflow (better initial windbreak and greater fuel longevity). However, the new Premium Finishes are some of the most important changes to us.... because if you're like us, you spend a lot of time in the woods, alone, gazing into your Stöker. Meaning, thoughtful design aesthetics absolutely matter.
The new higher feed port helps with being able to burn wood pellets
I like the new design!
Yes, it should. Thanks for commenting
So do you just use wood pellets or do you use a mixture of pellets and wood?
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Actually I use a nest of wood shavings with wood pellets
@@paradyne1T101 I'll have to try that, thank you
Based on your review and comments, I am thinking that if the new version was modified by the company to be perhaps 3/4 to 1 inch taller along with removing metal from the middle of the top on each side piece to increase exhaust flow, that would solve some of the stove shortcomings. Perhaps raise the overall stove height 1 inch along with raising the floor height a quarter inch higher along with increasing the bottom sidewall opening's sizes would solve many of the cons while yet retaining much of the pros of the new model. Hopefully my description makes sense.
Makes sense to me. Take the best features of each stove and combine them into one. Thanks for commenting Lonnie
Less Uber heat, less Uberleben. Unfortunate, though do like the addition of the grate for grilling. The size is good for a solo/duo hike, though. Thanks, Mark!
I prefer the original as well. Thanks for commenting
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Thanks for sharing; very interesting, helpful and stimulating, as well as enjoyable.
Make + stand from stainless steel rule will provide the top gap for venting and stop it smoking.
An alternative base plate, mesh square or mesh grill, with more holes may work for pellets.
Conversely on the old model close off some of the base holes for a slower damped down burn.
Again look for a mesh to accommodate pellet burning.
I am sure you have considered these options.
Thanks again Colin
Thanks for that!
Seems it would be easier to adapt the old version for wood pellets and charcoal, and better for fast boils (which is what most of us probably use a stove for).
Good point. Thanks for commenting
The design of the new version is counter productive to minimising smoke.
What actually burns are the gases released from the wood when heated.
To reduce the amount of smoke, load all the wood and start the fire from the top of the pile, and if possible, feed wood into the bottom of the fire so that the gases released from the added wood will combust as they rise through the fire.
Doing this will also make the fire burn hotter.
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@@MarkYoungBushcraft You're welcome.
As an example, in this video, the fire is smokeless until wood chips are added. I think it would have been better to add all the kindling before lighting if the aim is less smoke and a hotter fire.
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Hello from Beautiful British Columbia Canada 🇨🇦
Forgot to comment earlier...🎉😂❤thanks for showing us the new stove😊
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting as always
I like that the feed hole is a bit higher than the old version and I like that with just a couple skewers or tent pegs you can run an alcohol stove in it. I always carry an alcohol stove with me as a backup just in case the wood where I’m at isn’t dry enough to get my little Ohuhu wood stove going. Don’t get me wrong I like the older version too but that slower burn would be great for cooking over. Thanks for sharing Mark!
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting Steve
I have the older one, a Lixada knock-off that I got due to your reviews all that time ago. Fantastic for boiling water which is what I only ever use it for, coffee, hot chocolate, instant noodles. It's so ferocious I've lit it in storm conditions and got it to work with wet twigs. My god that was a miserable experience that I loved to bits.
That was part of my experience with the new version. It was a bit harder to get going in wet weather. Thanks for commenting
I am so glad you did this thorough review Mark!! I have several versions of the old Uberleben and have put off purchase of the new one mostly because of the alcohol stove incompatibility of the old stove. I actually did drill holes in one of my old models and use tent stakes to elevate the alcohol burner. This looks like a super redesign!! I sure would like a titanium……. time will tell but I sure do like the looks of the color versions they now have. I have a black version they pulled from previous production because of peeling issues and refunded customers that purchased it. Looks like they nailed it this time!!! Jeff
I would love to see a Ti version as well. Likely they will at some point. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft yeah! Especially if they fix the exhaust issue but your crossbar retrofit looks plausible. Maybe try putting some slots in a set of titanium crossbars from a cheap Amazon reproduction to fit the Uberleben. I sure do like their stuff!
Very cool comparison between the two stoves, I always enjoy how thorough your reviews are. Well said and well informed. ☺🙏Thanks for sharing, take care my friend and Cheers!
Thank you my friend. I do try to include what I believe potential buyers want to know
Appreciate the honest, comprehensive review and comparison of the two versions of the stove!
While I don't own either, and don't really have plans to purchase either, for me it seems like the original version may actually be a little more versatile in many circumstances than the newer version - with one big exception! It's always possible to cut down on too much airflow with some minor tweaks and mods, but increasing airflow is a lot more difficult, so the older version would seem to be more useful in a lot of circumstances - as long as you're not wanting to use an alcohol burner (i.e., Trangia or knockoff) in it. There the newer version with it's side holes seems like it would be much more ideal solution. The two stoves seem to have very different desired outcomes (older=fast, hot burn, newer=slower, cooler burn for cooking), and for the most part reach those outcomes pretty well, it just means the user needs to know how they plan on using the stove before making a purchase.
Thanks for another great video!
Some of the features of the new version are welcome for sure but more air flow would be helpful. Thanks for commenting
A very good review, Mark. Thanks!
Glad you liked it! Thanks for commenting
Thanks for the review of that twig stove
Alot if different options out there
So many stoves, so little time😅. I hear WTG may be coming out with one😉 Thanks for commenting Alex
As always.....Great review Mark! very informative!
Thanks for commenting
Great review on these two stoves, Mark. And, as always, well articulated discussion.
I appreciate the kind words
5:56 I count 22 holes (4 rows of 5 plus 2), but that's quibbling. ☺ more significant is that they are so small.
Good pick up. Three holes missing in the center. Thanks for commenting
Excellent Review on these Stoves. Have a Great Weekend Brother.
Thanks for commenting
Haven’t been able to comment or watch your videos for some time. I apologize for that. Been trying to find a place to live!!!!! About the ideals for the new stove also helps with being a fire box in emergency situations. Just having a fire box can provide some potential heat in keeping warm and not going thru so much wood. In that situation. It allows for a slower controlled burn when you just use coals. Not just for grilling food but more on the simmering side of cooking in a pot or pan. You shouldn’t have to remove the pan from heat coals frequently. So don’t take it as a disadvantage 😉 with more experimentation you can probably simmer longer with low heat.., like cooking with a Dutch oven on open coals. You’re one of the best in your field. I have the upmost confidence in your ability to find a way to master that stove as you have done with others. My mind still looks at it for survival and recreation. Mainly the recreation portion. But those type of stoves are being sold as survival stoves in bug out bags. (The concept still irks me) because no ONE PERSON can get it correctly done. Just have to wait and see what happens if that time comes on which gear to choose. Still my go to man on reviews.
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Thank you for your kind words. I hope to make a video on using small wood stoves and how to get the most versatility from them. Your comments will help. Thanks for commenting
I believe the reason for the smoke on the new stove is, you may have overloaded wood in the stove. If you want a hotter fire on the new stove, you could use a softer wood. I like basswood because it burns cleaner for me. I also like to start my fires with smaller wood to get a quicker start.
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What actually burns are the gases released from the wood when heated.
To reduce smoke, you should load all the wood before lighting, and crucially, light at the top of the pile to ensure as much gas as possible is combusted. This method will also make the fire burn hotter.
Thanks for this video Mark. I'm not a big fan of the flat plate slotted wood stoves mostly because they are so "fiddley" to put together but these stoves seem to avoid the struggle. Just from your demonstration, I'd be more apt to get the old Stoker as I don't grill much. How would you compare the Stoker to the Firebox Gen 5 based on performance? Thanks!
The Firebox is more versatile and better performer all round but is also heavier and more expensive. Thanks for commenting
Thank you for your review!
Most welcome. Thanks for commenting
Great detailed review and demo. I’m seriously thinking of buying one now. I also like the vest you’re wearing in this video - do you recall where you got that? Thanks!
Glad you enjoyed the video. I bough this vest a number of years ago at Mountain Equipment Coop. Not sure if they still sell it. Thanks for commenting
Hi Mark. Great review. I think the new version could be suitable for a small, one person, table top fire pit...you know, just to warm up your hands, especially if dry fuel is scarce, since it burns a long time. Cheers.
I am sure it could as long as you have a fire safe surface underneath. Thanks for commenting
Love The Refinements Made Good Price Too Thanks For Sharing This Mark ! ATB T God Bless
Thanks for commenting Terry
They (or someone else) must have franchised the branding because I bought one of these in Australia with a totally different name on it but it’s identical to the old version except mine is titanium. I wouldn’t have even bought one unless it was so light. Mine is 200g whatever that is in oz. I have no problem boiling water as fast as a gas bottle (about 2 min give or take) or setting it down low for a slow cook. The secret to low power is a larger diameter stick or wood. There is a plethora of wire grills you can get from various camp stores. I haven’t got one but I’ve seen a double sided “toast” handled holder which would be easy to flip with a steak or bread or anything kinda flat so I don’t think the new version is an improvement. Very happy with the performance of the original
Yes, I have seen copies as well. Not sure who copied who first or if Uberleben banded an already existing copy. All are copies of the Emberlit. Thanks for commenting
Mark, your friend Steve recently tried using wood pellets soaked in methyl hydrate in a ventilated tuna can within an Ohuhu stove. He really soaked the pellets. It seemed to work well leaving next to no ash. I think if you just pour a small amount on the top of the pellets when you arrive by the time you have everything else done you should be ready to light up get a good burn. You can then add dry pellets without fear of blow back. We do live in Nova Scotia and sometime it rains a lot. I am not prepared to use Steve Wallis' Flame throwers. :-)
I have not played with Steve's innovation yet but likely will. Yes, you can add pellets to burning pellets as long as you do so slowing enough not to smother the flames. You could also add less than perfectly dry wood a little at a time. Thanks for commenting
Myself i like a bit faster higher burn as i have the old style. A lot of it is about personal preference with many options between the 2. Fun comparison again!
Personally, I prefer the older stove as well. Thanks for commenting
I originally bought my first gen Stoker in S/S in part based on yours and other reviews thereof. I love it. Is it perfect? No. It does just what I need it to do though and for that I am appreciative. Does it burn fast? Yes. Do I use a Trangia? No. Your reviews never fail to impart knowledge and for that also I am appreciative. Thank you again. Bill Doyle in Upr Grnwd Lk, NJ
I am glad you find my videos helpful and thank you for your kind words
When you first put any of these types of stoves together, I have found that your tongue must be sticking out of the right side of your mouth at the beginning and to finish the job you must then switch to muttering the proper words that only you can hear. You are my go to place for all things camp stove and coffee ....who sells Rampage coffee? Nice to see Nova Scotians doing so much. Rock on.😊
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Good one,
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"Windy-on-the-Microphone" could be your rap name, Mark...!
My wife just calls me "windy"😂. Thanks for commenting
It you place the Trangia on the bottom and insert the skewers, it looks like you'd have a built-in windscreen. Would you also have sufficient oxygen?
Yes, that would work also, as long as you pot is small enough to fit inside. Thanks for commenting
I've never owned that type of stove, but I definitely prefer the new version. A lower, slower flame is what I prefer for cooking. It looks much better with the grill setup. I wouldn't mind the extra weight on the new one. It would have been nice to watch you cook some eggs and potatoes on the stove because I'm hungry .......😫✌️🇺🇸🇨🇦✌️ PS: If the bottom plate has a ceramic coating, do you think it might work for the inside of the side plates?
Actually, Uberleben has a fully coated version. Thanks for commenting
G'day Mark, seems to me the OLD would be better suited to the multiday backpacker on the move, with its lighter weight, quicker burn and cooking with MREs. I expect it'd cool down quicker too.
Where as I usually set up shop and stay put. So I appreciate the more robust construction, slower burn and cooking versatility of the NEW. Btw; wouldn't an increase to it's exhaust area speed up the burn, thus hindering the design concept ?
Cheers Duke.
P.S. with the alcohol stove; do only two skewers provide sufficient spacing to prevent the burner toppling over should the whole set get bumped whilst in use ?
Not quite wide enough to allow the Trangia edge to be supported. Thanks for commenting Duke
Even though the old version might look more like an Emberlit, the new version burns more like it. One of the virtues of the Emberlit is a good bed of coals.
True. I have a video comparing the Emberlit with the older Uberleben showing that. Thanks for commenting
Don’t care. My titanium firebox is expected to arrive Monday. 😀
It’s always an issue with stick stoves. If you want something that will burn in most conditions, and not need a fire guru to get it going, then it’ll burn hot and fast. As for the poor air flow on the top, things like that make me wonder if the company ever even did any testing before they put it out.
Look at you, stepping up to the 21st century with your titanium stove😅 Just kidding. Can't beat the Ti FB. True about air flow. It was Steve DeSpain who said to me hie philosophy is you can't have too much air flow. Thanks for commenting Jim
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Well to be fair, this one was meant for being able to grill on, right? So it needs to be slower, but it would not be something for foul weather, or to rely on for a multi day.
And yes, I can’t wait for it to arrive. I love the nano and the 5”, but the 5 is so darn heavy to carry around! I’ll finally be able to modern man! 😀
Kochen = cooking
Good to know. Thanks for commenting
Honestly, not very impressed with new version. One big thing I have come to realize with these small wood stoves is heat production is key with keeping them going and easier to start. I also don't care for the slightly smaller size. For same reasoning Esthetically, really like the looks. Also like the higher feed port and grilling grate.
You are spot on, especially in cold or wet weather. Thanks for commenting
45°.. not 90°
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The old version was no name chinese, so designed in china (likely a copy of some other stove) and Uberleben just put their brand on it.
Yes, this is true, or the other way around. Thanks for commenting
@randyyeager : How can we be sure it's not actually the opposite? Chinese industries have a reputation for copying successful products, sometimes poorly, with design errors. While Uberleben certainly has its products manufactured under license in China, that doesn't necessarily mean the original design comes from there. Not all Chinese products should be dismissed. When a project leader takes the time to do things right, especially by adhering to Western licenses and specifications, it results in quality outcomes, in my humble opinion.
Not for $80
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Hello Mark, I hope you're doing well. I really enjoyed your comprehensive, objective, honest, and thoroughly detailed comparison. That's exactly what we appreciate. Could you please provide the name and brand of the fire starter you used in your video? It seems well-suited for this type of stove. Thanks for the video and the highly informative share. If I could give you 10 stars of appreciation for your comparison, I would. Talk to you soon. Hube. 👍
Glad you enjoyed the video. I can't remember the brand of fire starters but I did get them at Canadian Tire. Thanks for commenting
@@MarkYoungBushcraft Perfect, understood, thank you very much👍
The proper German word is "Überleben"...meaning basically to survive...🥹👍🏼🥰
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