Master duel is still one of the best ways to play for people who dont want to buy expensive decks, have to travel to physical locations, or interact with people in ways we dont necessarily want to. They definitely missed the mark though with how dry the game is and the overall lack of content. The game hasnt received any new modes in months now, is still extremely far behind in cards, and we are still missing the anime duels after gx. The most interesting thing to happen recently was Konami playing plague inc with the player base in real time
Hot take here, but Master Duel being behind in term of cardpool is something that make the game more interesting. We have the time to judge the potential of the new card before pulling, and not having the same format from the tcg is better (no direct concurrence between the two for example). And latelly, the fact that they changed the order of the card release more and more combined with the different approch on the banlist help to create fresh new format that we never had in TCG
@@Animexdraco my issue with MD being behind stems from how quickly certain decks were hit or pre hit due to how things went in the tcg/ocg. It causes a weird divide when new cards or archetypes are released. On one side you have players that have never played irl that want to enjoy the crazy OP stuff. Then the other side is a mix of tcg/ocg players that are sick of it already because they've already lived through it. At least if we were caught up to the tcg it wouldn't be quite as bad. Although there's still the ocg. It would be easier and the cards would feel more fresh if all 3 weren't as staggered as they are. Even within just the tcg and ocg
@@trippersigs2248 which is why they try to spice it up by going bonkers on snake eyes while holding other older releases.. which felt fine IMHO.. regardning new content, the easiest that they can do is festival. and thats fine. MD doesnt need solomode for every archetype there is. if i must say, they can improve the casual game by introducing older format as limited timed event
Konami didnt have the idea that master duel would blow up so much(wierd what happens when u dont interact with the fanbase). In an interview they said that they pitched the idea of solo modes like 3 months before release. Now its a bit hard for the devs to convince the higherups that they should make a timewizard or N/R ladder considering that most of the old cards are low rarity. Every festival nowadays needa to promote the new product to some extent
Casual Mode being in the game from the beginning wouldnt have helped with the divide between players who have and havent kept up with the game because you still see some people bring meta decks into that shit Also I dont think it's entirely fair to criticize him for bringing up the bug. It's an old discussion, but an inevitable one when so much of the game revolves around it.
The argument isn’t that a goat mode wouldn’t end up being min-maxed and metagamed. Every online game has this issue. A newer player can load in with Blue-Eyes turbo and win in low ranks when they draw well, but get repeatedly clapped by Chaos Control once they climb to higher divisions. This isn’t too different than an FPS player shooting on-sight with a “machine gun go brrr” loadout and getting beat by tactical players with weapons picked to complement their playstyle, or a first-time sports sim player using their highest-rated players and getting beat by pros who understand the values of individual stats/team synergies. The thing is, the jump from complete beginner to somewhat knowledgable player in all these scenarios is fairly small - the mechanics are the same, but you’re just using a more optimised set of tools. The game starts you off with a starter deck where your opening hand probably culminates in summoning Lord of D and setting two backrow. Give new players a goat-legal version of that deck, and that opening turn isn’t too distinguishable from somebody using a full-power Chaos deck. After the new player sees the opponent playing easy-to-understand cards that are clearly more powerful than theirs, they’ll probably go online and build something similar - over time, they will probably get to grips with how certain cards interact with each other and how to play around things like battle traps. Compare this to the current game, where you could feasibly queue against a player who turns a single Loci into a 6-interrupt board. How is a new player meant to comprehend why the vanilla monster they summoned just sits on field waiting to be attacked, whilst the opponent’s vanilla turned into a 5-minute combo? There’s a monumental jump from learning “mystic tomato is good because it walls out attacks before floating into a more useful monster you can use on your turn, and has a good attribute for the powerful chaos monsters that many decks want to play” to “you should use ash blossom to prevent powerful search effects like Ecclesia, Hugin or Aleister - but don’t even think about using it on Aluber or Ariana, since those decks have higher-value Ash targets that you haven’t had a chance to read or comprehend yet”. A new player can understand the former fairly quickly, but it takes months to get a basic grasp on how to evaluate the impact of your game-determinative disruptions.
Honestly casual mode in the way it was implemented is more a deck testing mode than a place for new players You'll see attempts at making the most toxic decks ever imagined half of the time and people testing a meta deck to learn how to use it the other half of the time If you're new you'll have a worse time in casual than in the low ranks which is quite an oversight from konami
Casual mode wouldn’t have mattered because people just play there full power decks on there to lab so it’s basically impenetrable When I was starting I tried casual got OTKed abd webt into ranked because it has “skill based matchmaking”
Master Duel really needs the time wizard formats as separate places you can play and not just the Casual Ladder. Edison and Goat, two of the most popular formats, should be in Master duel. To say they wouldn’t make money is utter bullshit cause they’d need to make new Packs for the various cards in Edison/Goat, and just tweak the programming to allow priority.
They don’t even need to implement the old rules, just a limited card pool Implementing the old rules is arguably worse because it defeats the point of giving players an accessible way to learn the rules of the game
If they just had event reruns going instead of having dead weeks with nothing to do but play ranked, it would be much better. They could give just legacy packs and the old cosmetics for people that missed them. It's kind of a safer middle ground than adding in older formats, because those require more work to make the games play out accurate to the time period.
Y'know what would be interesting to add to master duel as a format? Loaner deck format. So everyone has the same selection and you can balance a format based around the cards involved in the decks and it keeps the same pool of cards (ideally) so newer players can gain a better understanding of what cards do through multiple duels.
They do that already, that's what the tryout events duels are. Unless you're saying they should make that a permanent feature, in which case i'd agree with you. Only thing is that would get stale after a bit. I'm personally more a fan of other limited events like drafts where you get variation but can still moderate the general pool those cards come from. Like having only a secret pack or two to pick from, and then rotating which secret packs every month or couple weeks or so
@@jasonkunstmann327 tryout duels are a joke, every other yugituber agrees. not even farfa likes them. and that's saying a lot. tryout duels aren't even around most of the time anyways so that's a bad example.
@@olyviermonteau4300 Generally i agree but i don't think the idea itself is bad, it'd just need some adjusting to make it into something lasting. Mostly better rewards, but also variation to keep it fresh. They're mostly just jokes now because you duel 3 times to win one single pack and then you're done
Yeah I personally love loaned decks when I play the events Sure your likely going to get homogony in terms of choices but people will gravitate to the nicher ones because they find them the most fun It also means you won’t bump into a swirdsoul every match
Not having a GOAT ladder was insane. I understand Konami is petrified of splitting the player base but come on. Even the meta wouldn't be exactly like people remembered it would've been close enough to keep them interested.
I disagree, because of the crafting system people would nearly have to split their entire account on to one or the other New players would have to pick between a meta that plays the same forever, or the new meta which gets constantly more expensive If people build decks for both, they won’t have a deck ready for either for a long time Not to mention if they split the ranked every season so that you can progress on both, you’d be missing out if you didn’t have the best goat deck and a contender in the meta
That seems fine to me, you start out playing one and then you transition to playing the other if you want. Or Konami could've made different decisions about the game economy if they wanted to.
Having some experiences with roguelikes and their popularity I will say that complexity isn't necessarily the issue but the method by which it gets introduced. Deckbuilders tend to give you the simple stuff out the gate and let you move to more complicated mechanics not only when you have unlocked them by progressing with more simple mechanics so you know the general flow of the game but also when you're comfortable with playing more complicated stuff because it doesn't force you to use specific meta strategies. More than basic UI issues or the specific meta of the game or events the retention issue is tied to it being a game with 25 years of power creep and meta development that you have to take in all at once. A 1P campaign that has an incentive to play through it and that drip feeds you decks that steadily increase in power and complexity is what most of the games in Yugioh's most popular era (DM through 5D's) offered. I don't really think that's just a coincidence, a lot of people learned to play through the video games. I think that among people who aren't currently playing the game you'd have more people who remember playing something like Eternal Duelist Soul or Nightmare Troubador than who specifically remember Goat format.
Yeah I play on mobile and I'm sure the majority of the player base does also. I mean let's be real those of us who love to play MD definitely have it on mobile.
Yeah i genuinely believe that mobile (or more accurately tablet/Ipad) is the best way to play it Tried console it was more annoying so I just thing card games work really well on the hardware
Yes, like seriously I’ve made decks for specifically trying to clear daily missions and the only way I get a chance to activate 2 traps is using my 40 card trap deck!!! Among other issues but is how it is
imagine if master duel started with an actual banlist without all these silly extra deck cards that stop you from playing like vfd or rhongo and with actual tutorials that teach you the game past the absolute basics
@@user-wu8qc9bb3e I meant stuff like 'what are hand traps' or 'how do you chainblock', giving new players more game knowledge instead of making them just read the instructions manual
On the one hand, like, the launch of Master Duel truly was insane. I had friends who hadn't talked to me about YGO since high school suddenly mentioning it on my feed. It caused a resurgence of interest and nostalgia for the brand I hadn't seen in well over a decade. Master Duel definitely shot itself in the foot by launching and then taking months to start doing anything. But, on the other hand... there was no way they were ever going to KEEP that avalanche of new interest. Yugioh simply isn't the same game all those nostalgic visitors remembered, and the game that it is now simply wasn't ever going to appeal to the majority of casual card game players. So while Konami bungled the launch, I'd say Master Duel still more or less ended up filling the same niche for the same audience it was always going to end up having.
Two big things that would greatly help out master duel involves making casual its own format that counts towards daily mission and finally letting us dismantle legacy cards. It gives more variety and reason for players to actually go into causal unlike how it is now and for legacy packs, this would give further encouragement for people to play events more as many players just stop once you get all the gems since legacy pack tickets are practically worthless given you aren't trying to play stuff like ojamas since being unable to dismantle just makes you question why bother.
@@KaleFGB where I live literally no one is playing yugioh nor care to. I tried multiple times to get ppl into it and they just dont have any interest in these tcgs.
I remember after release during the very first data mining of the game that was leaked, people found assets for a Classic mode for the game. I was convinced that they just needed a bit more time but that they would probably put it out by the end of the month to save everyone from that terrible format. And then a month passed, a few months, a year, two years. I don't know if they were actually planning on making it a proper game mode like casual, but now it feels like there's no point in even hoping they will make it anymore. It would probably help get more people to come back to the game, which is something they clearly care about since they're running the returning and new player promotion campaign. But they still refuse to do it. And it should be simple all they really need to do is put another forbidden limited list like the ones they already have listed for the previous events. Like Farfa said, the vast majority of people only care about the card pool. An extremely small minority would complain about no priority or whatever. I imagine it's just because some corporate goon rejected the proposal thinking that it would take away sales in the long term without understanding that so many potential customers left as a result of not making a more casual format available.
Could you imagine coming back and playing with cards you know from way back in the day instead of playing against fucking Snake Eyes every duel? Would be a wonderful way to get people to play the game.😊
Chat was full of maxx c weasels pretending it’s fine so hard to take them seriously saying dumb stuff like “TCG take”. Like yeah hello English speaker in the chat of a prominent TCG content creator, please enlighten me as to the wealth of OCG wisdom you imply yourself to have.
What Master Duel needs is an "End of Season" Reward. Like how does this game run for 2 years now and doesn't have ANYTHING to give to players that will get them to play in Ranked and try to reach the highest of ranks? No Special Cardback, No Royal UR from a collection of cards, No Alternate Artworks, nothing. I feel most people played ranked got really good and high with their favorite decks and then saw that they do not get anything from it.
Literally the only exclusive rewards so far are Duelist Cup icons (kekw) and the stuff they gave to the fucking MD Worlds participants. Just be a world champion and you too, can have an exclusive mate base. :)
This is actually an L take because they give you like 2 or 3k gems for playing ranked you basically get free cards for ranking up so they do give you stuff
@HDGaminTutorials Yes you get for climbing but you don't get anything for being the best like no one ever was save bragging rights. Half the time I don't feel ranking is worth. When you rank it doesn't reset all the way down so you lose gems and have to fight harder and after that giant struggle a message pops up saying you got 200 gems? Mmnah.
@@OhitsONnowwell in master you get the double amount of gems so it is kinda worth grinding to master 1 but it’s a hell on its own with all these decks But I’m definitely with you I’m doing my dailies play a few games and then log off
I can definitely agree with the things Farfa has said here now as opposed to when MD actually did come out I only knew about Synchro summoning from playing 2009 WC so I knew nothing about the TCG and it's stuff. The only thing I was confused on from the guy in the vid was him talking about not showing off cards in the next upcoming sets when they kind of do that anyways which is also a few people's complaints because they announce it decently early apparently. I definitely can also agree with that they very well can still add extra game modes that could bring more of the player base back in but that could also depend on the best way to implement it on their part too so only one can hope. The Solo Mode stuff is something I at least liked since I never played most of these archetypes and even tho they are past meta most of these are kinda fun testing them out. Also the Solo Mode only has the problem of giving you the general jist of each thing and not fully showing off exactly everything and is more left for the player to try and do that themselves but it did help me understand the damage step a fair bit better than I ever did previously. This game definitely didn't 'fail' at all, it just has things it could still accomplish but haven't while other things currently in the game need some adressment to try and make it better. (I.E. Maxx C getting banned but until that gets an understandment in the OCG I don't think that's happening and anyone who acts like Maxx C being legal is some type of godforsaken sin just needs to understand that Japan is what is holding it down and it relies on Konami itself realizing the cards problem to fix it in MD. Then there's also just fitting a banlist for a Bo1 experience which they have been slowly getting to but just not appropriate enough.) And so hopefully someday they'll incorporate more things that a variety of people will like to refresh their player base for the game.
Draft mode where every time you queue you get 20 packs and you choose what cards to include that disappear after say 3 games to draft again OR maybe every game and it's just a random selection of 40 main and 15 extra from the set and you just PLAY it. It'd need its own card pool for sure but you can do some really fun stuff with that like here's a random pull of 40 main 15 extra from POTE or from one of the selection packs.
As an old school GBA yugioh player: I miss just starting with a deck and while playing the 'story mode' getting new packs and cards and just improving that deck or making a new deck. I remember in the 5D one the dual ride duel against the norse gods and how hard it was: No normal spells and a Loki to block battle traps. So I started playing Watt: All direct attack and traps that can be played in Main1. And I started to love it IRl as a deck aswell.
In the last survey I recommended 2 major PvP changes for each side of the community. For competitive players, have a leaderboard/ELO system when you get to Master 1. For casual/new/returning players, have a rotating playlist of older, lower power level formats. I like the idea of it progressing through different legacy formats since that helps bring people up to speed with how the game has evolved.
MD should have a tier ladder where you can play from the LOB format to current by ranking up. That will make sure ppl are always playing to their point in the games evolution and possibly growing to like the newer metas.
As a relative beginner (I played Duel Links and love card games in general), I do think Maxx 'C' presents a unique problem for beginners. I do think it is less important, but it is the one that gets me. Beginners won't simply play a lot before liking the game, so URs are limited. Right away I am told URs are the most essential resource and I have to spend them on 2 Ash and 2 Maxx 'C' and a Called By. That is 150 URs gone before I can start building anything. If you add the UR cost of 'fan-favorite' decks, suddenly I have to pay for the game, before I even know if I like it. Sincerely, rather play duel links where at least any staple does it. Whatever staple is in the pack I'll pull my favorite deck is at least usable, so I don't really need to worry about it. (Not to mention the 'solo mode' is more relevant) I do realize Master Duel is quite generous and if I actually play I will get back easily these URs. But how am I supposed to play a lot, considering all the other issues and the fact that I can't even test multiple decks? Also, competitive is the only level in which this game seems fun. So even if the other problems are somehow fixed, as soon as that happens, Maxx 'C' becomes a problem. Which should be read as: Players who survive the other difficulties will still quit because of this. Y'all coping if you think any competitive player from any other game will be alright with a meta defining, instant 3-of in every deck, being permanently in the game.
I think that all they had to do was add either a GOAT format mode, or add a seasonal mode that’s just ranked but for a certain format. That literally would’ve brought players who loved all different generations back
I think Konami got me as an playground yugioh/anime fan back as they intended it. Duellinks was my introduction to proper rulings, timings and stuff for the first time and it started off very beginner friendly. When Master Duel came out it didnt take much for me to learn the rest even though I quit Duellinks quite a while ago.
The worst thing Konami did, or didn't do rather, is not implementing tag duel or 1v2 systems into lobbies ASAP. Content creators thrive off of chaos and both those modes would have brought plenty of it.
Biggest issue with a Goat or Edison ladder is that there is an upper limit to how many cards you will ever have to craft to play those modes. Konami will eventually stop making money on those players, which is probably the biggest reason they haven't implemented anything permanent.
Master Duel Could have absolutely been a Master Piece Yu-Gi-oH game. Several simple things hold it back. One: just make ranked best of 3. It really sucks to lose to decks, you shouldnt lose to. Like gimmick decks. Simply because they went first and you dont have a game 2 to side in counters. To add on to that, you could actually make a legit ranked player ladder. It would make the game feel much more competitive. Two: Just make the card list the same as the TCG, and OCG. You could still separate players, based on region. This would be amazing because then, actual card players could use the game and find value in it as well. It would be a great way to play test. It would also be good imo for non card players because they can feel like they are playing the real game and keeping up with it, and not feel alienated in their own separate format. 3rd: and this is just optional but setup actual tournaments for players. They can be setup by region, and on certain days.
I'm someone who is out here watching Yugioh youtubers and I still bounced off master duel because eventually you get sick of playing either ranked or a format that MIGHT be fun for the 3 days it exists and then it's gone. Solo content is just bad we all only play it for gems and cards lets be real, they've done single player yugioh better like a dozen times in their other video games there's no need for us to defend what Master Duel has for solo content.
I have no clue why Casual Mode doesn't give you rewards. Just tie it to how many wins you got in a row. It's not like you can argue they don't make money from casual decks being built. Casual decks are still comprised of Super's and Ultra's. I've spent as much making a meta deck, as I did building Neos pre-Power of the Elements. And unlike a meta deck, I can't even climb ranked to get Gems to offset the cost.
as a new player i made many mistake i wish they could make it more easier to learn master duel for us newer players the cards can be so confusing and make it easier for ppl to reroll new accnts instead of have to create a whole new steam accnt
100% agree that DK is the backbone. I’m a new player basically, I played when I was very young, I learned how to read at 4 to be able to read the cards lmao. Was finally able to get into modern yugioh because of swordsoul and his guides =)
I think that what we have today is what MD should have been at release: a huge solo mode, a ranked system, regular events, regular banlist and so on. imo next coupe of years will be the real benchmark for MD to shine brighter or fall.
I think the way they should have made it, is that to unlock ranked, you have to play through previous formats, and keep unlocking them chronologically by winning a certain amount of games, and also the card pool would grow with each format, like for example, when you start your account, you would only have goat format to play against other players, and in order to unlock the next format, let's say edison for example, you have to win 10 games in goat, and you keep doing this format after format until you reach modern, and that's when the true ranked system opens, and they should also keep those old formats for people to go back and play anytime, cause current players are asking for that feature anyways, i know it's going to suck for experienced players to have to go through all that just to open a new account, but since they are already invested in the game, it's very unlikely they will abandon the game because of this, in fact they will like it as a cool small trip on memory lane
the title says it failed its potential not its failed.. looking at the steam charts having 20k people come back every month compared to its 160k on launch is the deffinitiot of not reaching the potential. the potential is atleast double that of the current stats..
It's criminal how much MD does not teaches new players about the modern game. And there is no indication of sorts (generally) of what you did wrong in a game to even learn. They should have kept new players playing against only other new players with loaner decks or starter decks or something. I had to look up, watched so many UA-cam videos from a bunch of YugiTubers just to get a generally understanding of the game and how to play my own deck (which as DM at the time). Also, the fact that there are no fun/alternative game modes is just plain ridiculous. Many events are not it in my opinion. It's just a "No Maxx 'C'" sometimes that limits the deck I want to play or even have.
This topic strikes close to my heart since my friends are tired of having me ramble about Master Duel's wasted potential. Having playing the big 3 TCGs and their respective Official Online Simulators, MD is the one with the better engine for what it should do, the slickest, fastest and most curated - surely in part due to the fact that it took Konami until 2022 to release an Official Simulator, while Pokemon and MTG were way ahead. My main gripe with MD starts with It being a separate format from both TCG and OCG - I understand the difficulty of "unifying" both the formats for a game that targets both the Western and Eastern audience, but having a third separate format, with a wildly different and arbitrary card pool and it being the only format you can play in the only official Konami simulator puts MD in the position of being "it's own game" while people who would want to test TCG or OCG formats can't and have to resort to DB or Omega. Again, I understand the fear of splitting your player base, but this situation is unsustainable I think - or better put - Konami is content with MD being this, being out for 2 whole years and having received scarce general updates regarding new systems, formats and so on, and have no incentive to further develop it, due to the player base being stable and players still striving for an automated official simulator. MD could, because it has the ability and the engine to, become a Hub/Client for time wizard formats (First and foremost, while now you can't even access some cards for Edison or GOAT to play with friends in restricted Duel rooms, much less official event) which Konami are heavily pushing in IRL and Paper - have draft modes for various Battle Packs that resemble IRL draft formats - more inspired events - solo modes following the iconic stories and duels of the Anime, and not some copy and paste, badly translated and incoherent ramblings about archetypes (which would be fire if fine better) - a fucking tournament mode with official tournaments promoted regularly by Konami itself. I've been playing Yu-Gi-Oh for the last 15 years, i went through the phases of Dueling Network and YGOpro, of playing the console games, and Konami finally struck gold with such a polished engine as MD is - but to me, currently, it is just an empty shell; surely pretty and well presented, but empty. Konami has in some way the advantage of being "late": they can take the experience of MTG Arena and the now defunct PTCG Online, and others simulators alike, so see what works, what worked but does not anymore, what are the trends.
Since I was playing Yugioh with my friends when OG TCG came out...Master Duel is only way we can still play against each other seeing none of us live within 10 hours of each other.
I wish we could get a mode like master saga where you get to open a master pack and a secret pack and then you just make some jank ass deck and play under rules like arena in HS. It would be great for people who want to deck build but dont have the necesarry knowledge and it would probably be really fun over all as long as floodgates are banned.
I'm an old school/casual player. I got nothing against competitive play, but having other permanent modes for casual players would be a godsend. Main reason I love the Legend Anthology event is because it severely limits or kills(bans) toxic archtypes/decks. I hate going into ranked and dealing with "you don't get to play" decks when I just want to relax and do my daily missions.
Master Duel was very apparently released earlier than the devs wanted. I mean, the game was missing very obvious quality of life features and ran horribly on mobile despite being *advertised* as primarily a mobile game. So the reason why the game is missing features and modes people want and/or expected is because they're only now getting around to it, they've literally been bringing the game to the state it was intended to be released in for the past 2-3 years.
There should have been a mode on the game’s release or even now, where you can go only only play with one of the three decks you get from booting up the game, or solo mode decks.
Hear me out a format where you can only use cards from the LEGACY PACK, 1. it will add value to legacy tickets that are pilling up in people's accounts, 2. new players will enjoy the iconic cards across the animes, 3. Power level is lower than regular
Ya okay im taking a break from yugioh. Im sick of seeing videos like this were an average player knows how to handle the game better than the actual company. Than when it seems like they are listening they just jingle shiny keys infront of us. Like the TCG duel trial and now the Goat duel trial. Konami refuses to listen to us and I hate it.
I used to hit top of ladder every season and get to top 10k in dc cup (I play going first Sky Striker and Pendulum Magician). Their server quality turns me off so I stopped. It's so bad there isn't a reconnect feature in this game. A lot of time I was about to make good plays but either I or opponent d/c. It feels worse than your opponent surrendering.
Modern Yugioh is just a hard game to learn and keep up with. I played MD religiously up until Adventure era and achieved max rank with Salad. I honestly just got bored and was tired of always learning the new cards. Some kind of rebooted card game like Rush Duel is honestly the answer for reaching a new audience. A sudo reboot of the classic show would also do some good, kinda like how Digimon did it. Remake the most popular and recognizable show, and launch a revamped and simpler version of the card game that can run parallel to the existing classic/advanced one. Legit, using nostalgia to boost the launch of a new and easier card game sounds like it would work. Imagine big streamers playing it for the nostalgia and actually being able to get their friends to play it because it isn't confusing as fuck to learn. That was the big hurdle with MD, streamers would play it, but it wouldn't spread to their friends due the complexity of the game.
Konami literally doesn't get it that's the problem. The playerbase is already split in general. You have tons of players who basically don't play the ranked ladder at all anymore and only log on for event duels and solo mode releases. I face more bots/selftks on the way to platinum than I ever did before. Creating Edison/ GOAT ladder for us who wanna go back in time is good for their overall player population. It would also make multiple youtubers/streamers come back to make content and would even boost sales. They're missing out on a huge market in my opinion.
Man's really overstated how much new players care about Maxx C. Matter of fact, I'd say the vast majority of the brainlets defending the bug are actually just newer players. They don't understand how to really play the game and consequently don't know why it's toxic, all they know is the roach is the haha funny gamba card that stole their Blue-Eyes deck one (1) game.
I wouldn't be surprised if the OCG devs kept it legal purely because they found that it helped retain players that don't care if they win unfairly, just that they can win at all
@@luigifan4585 I wouldn't say Konami's reasoning even extends that far. They just know as well as anyone else that C reduces the game to a slot machine, but due to the fact they're a literal gambling kingpin operating out of a region where gambling is "illegal," they see that as a good thing.
The game definitely needed more game modes and ocg and tcg game modes. It would have helped content for UA-camrs and gave older and newer players something to be eased into
the argument that maxx c is good for new players is also flawed to some extend: Rouge and bad decks also lose* to maxx c then new players dont know how to play around it maybe they dont even have it in their deck - no one told them to next, if maxx c goes of: the better player can do something with 15 cards in hand while the new player is completely lost looking at the pile of cards covering the screen... more cards = more options for the better player while the beginner its more cards = more confusion
Im playing rogue solfachord that summon ariseheart and grandsolfachord coolia, im totally fine with maxx c because most of the time my opponent can't out an ariseheart protected by an omni negate, in tcg this is considered toxic for no reason, despite the fact it's the only way for solfachord to win against deck like snake eyes.
I logged in, saw a bunch of different in-game currencies and a crafting feature and I immediately deleted it. I just wanted to play a children's card game.
The game needs a Ghost battle mode like what fighting games have. That way you can test your deck against things like hand traps and other negates. The solo mode decks just get ran through
This is all in hindsight, but I think Farfa's suggestion that MD start with LoB and then slowly roll out the sets kinda how Pokemon Go started with the Gen 1 Pokemon would have been essential in weening new and returning players into the absolute chaos that modern YGO can be. Would it have sucked (at first) for veteran players? Sure. But, thinking about the long term health of the game, it would have created better players and more players.
I refuse to pay money for digital currency in any game. But if they put those formats in as permanent mainstays, I will gladly drop money to pay for gems. And I know that THOUSANDS will follow. It’s literally that easy.
Yes it absolutely did, but it is still a good game imo. Launching with a card pool 6 months out of date (12ish months for OCG) and then not updating anything for two months was really rough. Also on release the games banlist was this weird OCG/TCG hybrid that was pretty bad, and it took them like 9 months to fix it.
I think the solo mode should be improved upon with better explanations of archetype mechanics in the tutorial sections and include more of the popular decks. Legacy formats would be really cool since they already have a feature in the game that shows different formats in the deck builder. Lastly, the largest demographic playing MD is the generation that watch the OG show. They need to put out loaners for the popular archetypes featured on the new show that children today watch.
Hell yeah just add draft. Like all it takes is one look at how popular Cimoooooooo's masochist challenge got. Imagine how much better that would be except you don't have to surrender every 2/3 games because you ran into an actually competent deck that you can't do shit against.
I think when you first open the game the prompt asking if youre familiar with ygo if you ans ur not familiar it should put you in a rank below rookie with only others with the starter decks and you cant modify them until you leave that rank.
So one of the best ways I'll put it is there's always that territory "the game's dying" and in reality is it really? No. And I hate to use steamcharts as a metric but it's the best tool we really have. Like a lot of devs & publishers will tell total accounts made, but not the actual how many are actually playing number. And using other benchmarks as an example; I remember when Destiny 2 had the curse of osiris dlc release, and over 90% of the players actually quit. And in the first year that's bad. Master Duel it's looking like over 11-12% of players after 2 years. And it's probably much higher than that given how popular Yu-Gi-Oh is worldwide.
Classic mode should've been a thing for sure. I'd like the cardpool to be more up to date with the OCG. Banlist being unique is fine, because of the bo1 ranked. No way I'd play this game if ranked was bo3 tcg format carbon copy. Every duel would take an hour
nah master duel is fine tbh the only thing that bugs me is them not getting new releases in very quick but i do get they have to probably test every card interaction or something
Casual duels are just as bad as ranked, I remember when it first came out I’d try out an old 5Ds archetype just to get the people playing meta decks at the time. If anything it felt worse than losing in ranked
So I played MD like maybe a month after release and granted i wasn’t a new new player but just play with some friends at home kinda guy, so that being said i dont really understand the thing with drytron cause i can tell you if you were mostly casual you almost never saw drytron in ranked cause you would never be ranked high enough to see it. I remember playing a lot of dark magician, blue eyes, hero’s, etc… the the point being yeah you you saw drytron as your first game sucks but not as scary as farfa say back the you we’re mainly playing against other anime fans play they’re anime deck and that’s it
Draft mode would be awesome, also Maxx c to 4 on the next list just to wind-up the TCG combo players that loves to complain also shifter to 10 just to rub the salt in
Like with what the vid suggested, there should really be more rookie level ranks. Going from rookie where you'd play against people that are just trying out the game (new & returnees) with starter decks and basic game knowledge, and then getting comboed by budget versions of meta decks like Tearlaments once you reach bronze is really surprising and uninteresting.
The problem with the rookie ranks is that there's nothing stopping smurfs from bringing in a full power meta deck and curbstomping new players with it. I dunno, it's a difficult problem to solve for yugioh specifically. I feel like no matter how they did it, nothing was going to realistically prepare the yugiboomers for what real yugioh looks like now, and that all their playground anime decks are unplayable.
The problem with master Duel supporting other formats is that it would split the player base, but at launch they should had a event more focused in a slow game
@@Nephalem2002Basically a lot of players would only play certain time wizard formats and not bother getting new cards for modern. Imo I disagree with this cause those same players who don't wanna play modern will just quit instead of splitting the player base which is an overall net loss.
The issue with that argument is always “compared to what?” Yes you split the player base, but without the extra format a lot of players would not even be around to play the main format. Especially when the second format is GOAT which is a stepping stone to modern formats.
As someone who has played this game since release in the states and have never taken a break off the game I personally hate GOAT format and Edison format. I'm not hating on anyone who does like these formats but to say that old players want these formats isn't always the case. Every old school player at the three locals I visit hate old formats as well but the newer players enjoy them because they are a welcoming introduction into the game or are just something new for those players to experience. All of my old school friends have already played those formats so revisiting them isn't even that fun anymore but I do believe these formats should be available for those who either want to return to them or experience them.
Nah the master duel banlist is better We have way more banlist updates than tcg or ocg We have much more variety In general I think the tcg and ocg banlists are bad cause cards like snow why is it banned when you clearly see it does absolutely nothing in master duel lol and it’s one of many cards like recently dragon rulers are unbanned in master duel and they do absolutely nothing while tomohawk is still playable
Not even close given the fact that it is the most popular card game in the whole world above pokemon or magic hell everything, so 20k is weak.@@HDGaminTutorials
Master duel has become league of legends real fast. Like I remember some lol content creator said, players has quit league until that one mode enter the rotation like URF and one for all. In Master Duel, people waiting for event where maxx c banned, which is shows the real problem for this game, and then turn off master duel again until that event back in the rotation. Like when tcg regulation event came in rotation last month, alot of players hype for that, event the competitive one like Josh, and then they just quit the game again, because regular bs still occurs in maxx c And don't even start with MD banlist style, like holy sht, the way they implement the banlist is so bad. They always do minor touch before they do big ban a few months after that, making alot of innocent cards get slain. Like for real Konami, when King of the swamp and foolish b goods will be out again? Why not just go for the major ban when they know that particular deck is problematic? Like diameter limit to 1? what does that do? chandraglier and stovie to 2? is that hurt labrynth in any way? there's a reason why alot of players hate semi limit list so much
Said this early on. Konami was just profitting from a card game emulator that had extra steps. Take away the flashy animations and it was no different from dueling network or yugipro except with microtransactions
Proper ranked mode Opens up casually playing against friends without them having an pc and installing some emulator Bringing new players to ygo like me or my friends because of the console release Ygo became much more popular cause of master duel
It’s so sad that Dkay holds up master duel and duel links and then for IRL you have to join a damn Facebook judge group to get any rulings. It’s absurd.
I actually did complete the Solomodes In fact I completely the entire list and brute forced my way through to sun terror without really playing online (probably because I’m generally a single player gamer so no lag is preferable Doesn’t teach you shit and I only go back to get gems from the daily challenges
As someone who was new to playing yugioh, but has YEARS of experience playing other card games digitally. Here is why yugioh isn't the biggest card game out right now and likely never will be. 1. The most important thing is that yugioh is so wildly complicated and convoluted. They don't have "key words" to simplify the cards like EVERY other card games does. So cards have so much texts for seriously no reason. 2. Probably do to the game being very complicated and texts being very long, turns last forever. People don't want to sit and do nothing for so long. Newer players won't have hand traps like experienced players so they really will just sit and watch their opponent summon half their extra deck in one turn with zero interaction. 3. With how complicated this game is when you eventually get to point of "hey its time for me to try an make an actual competitive deck" you quickly get lost on what to do, because you don't know how any deck plays because decks in yugioh don't really fit into the main archetypes that other card games have. Being "control, aggro, mid range and late game". Its basically every deck is both a aggro and control deck. So how does a new player identify which deck seems the most fun. The simple answer is that they don't. You end up going with whatever is the "strongest" "cheapest" or coolest looking cards. Which mind end up playing something you don't actually enjoy, then you might wonder if this is just yugioh or the deck. For the game to do better and reach a wider audience here is all that needs to happen. Which never will. Cards need key words or simplified text. Will greatly reduce how long turns are for newer players reading every card. The game needs to do better at guiding people to decks that they will enjoy. The only thing i can think of is to use the solo mode for this more. Whenever new archetypes are released to the game that will be meta like snake eyes release a solo mode that walks you through all basic combos of snake eyes. So that if people don't play the TCG can kind of figure out how snake-eyes plays. This will not only help people decide if they want to invest into that deck, but also help them know what to do against that deck requiring less reading, speeding up duels. Instead they release solo modes stuff for decks/archetypes that NO ONE plays and don't matter. So that you learn the ins and outs of fucking six samurai because i guess new players need to know that?
the biggest issue with masterduels realease was the fact that they had dritron be the best deck lol. its mid yea but new players arent going to understand how or why a monster negated all 6 of thier cards lol let alone how to fight that.
Master duel is still one of the best ways to play for people who dont want to buy expensive decks, have to travel to physical locations, or interact with people in ways we dont necessarily want to.
They definitely missed the mark though with how dry the game is and the overall lack of content. The game hasnt received any new modes in months now, is still extremely far behind in cards, and we are still missing the anime duels after gx.
The most interesting thing to happen recently was Konami playing plague inc with the player base in real time
Guess you could say they were transmitting a tribe-infecting virus
Hot take here, but Master Duel being behind in term of cardpool is something that make the game more interesting. We have the time to judge the potential of the new card before pulling, and not having the same format from the tcg is better (no direct concurrence between the two for example). And latelly, the fact that they changed the order of the card release more and more combined with the different approch on the banlist help to create fresh new format that we never had in TCG
@@Animexdraco my issue with MD being behind stems from how quickly certain decks were hit or pre hit due to how things went in the tcg/ocg. It causes a weird divide when new cards or archetypes are released. On one side you have players that have never played irl that want to enjoy the crazy OP stuff. Then the other side is a mix of tcg/ocg players that are sick of it already because they've already lived through it.
At least if we were caught up to the tcg it wouldn't be quite as bad. Although there's still the ocg. It would be easier and the cards would feel more fresh if all 3 weren't as staggered as they are. Even within just the tcg and ocg
@@Animexdraco Having most formats be presolved before release is extremely uninteresting.
@@trippersigs2248 which is why they try to spice it up by going bonkers on snake eyes while holding other older releases.. which felt fine IMHO.. regardning new content, the easiest that they can do is festival. and thats fine. MD doesnt need solomode for every archetype there is.
if i must say, they can improve the casual game by introducing older format as limited timed event
Konami didnt have the idea that master duel would blow up so much(wierd what happens when u dont interact with the fanbase). In an interview they said that they pitched the idea of solo modes like 3 months before release. Now its a bit hard for the devs to convince the higherups that they should make a timewizard or N/R ladder considering that most of the old cards are low rarity. Every festival nowadays needa to promote the new product to some extent
i mean, it's a bit scummy, but they could release MD exclusive alt art and make it UR
Summoned skull is SR
I'm sure goat could work since most legacy format super stars do have a nostalgia tax
Casual Mode being in the game from the beginning wouldnt have helped with the divide between players who have and havent kept up with the game because you still see some people bring meta decks into that shit
Also I dont think it's entirely fair to criticize him for bringing up the bug. It's an old discussion, but an inevitable one when so much of the game revolves around it.
The argument isn’t that a goat mode wouldn’t end up being min-maxed and metagamed. Every online game has this issue.
A newer player can load in with Blue-Eyes turbo and win in low ranks when they draw well, but get repeatedly clapped by Chaos Control once they climb to higher divisions. This isn’t too different than an FPS player shooting on-sight with a “machine gun go brrr” loadout and getting beat by tactical players with weapons picked to complement their playstyle, or a first-time sports sim player using their highest-rated players and getting beat by pros who understand the values of individual stats/team synergies. The thing is, the jump from complete beginner to somewhat knowledgable player in all these scenarios is fairly small - the mechanics are the same, but you’re just using a more optimised set of tools.
The game starts you off with a starter deck where your opening hand probably culminates in summoning Lord of D and setting two backrow. Give new players a goat-legal version of that deck, and that opening turn isn’t too distinguishable from somebody using a full-power Chaos deck. After the new player sees the opponent playing easy-to-understand cards that are clearly more powerful than theirs, they’ll probably go online and build something similar - over time, they will probably get to grips with how certain cards interact with each other and how to play around things like battle traps.
Compare this to the current game, where you could feasibly queue against a player who turns a single Loci into a 6-interrupt board. How is a new player meant to comprehend why the vanilla monster they summoned just sits on field waiting to be attacked, whilst the opponent’s vanilla turned into a 5-minute combo?
There’s a monumental jump from learning “mystic tomato is good because it walls out attacks before floating into a more useful monster you can use on your turn, and has a good attribute for the powerful chaos monsters that many decks want to play” to “you should use ash blossom to prevent powerful search effects like Ecclesia, Hugin or Aleister - but don’t even think about using it on Aluber or Ariana, since those decks have higher-value Ash targets that you haven’t had a chance to read or comprehend yet”. A new player can understand the former fairly quickly, but it takes months to get a basic grasp on how to evaluate the impact of your game-determinative disruptions.
Honestly casual mode in the way it was implemented is more a deck testing mode than a place for new players
You'll see attempts at making the most toxic decks ever imagined half of the time and people testing a meta deck to learn how to use it the other half of the time
If you're new you'll have a worse time in casual than in the low ranks which is quite an oversight from konami
Casual mode wouldn’t have mattered because people just play there full power decks on there to lab so it’s basically impenetrable
When I was starting I tried casual got OTKed abd webt into ranked because it has “skill based matchmaking”
It would be cool to add a custom card filter to casual. So you can just add a bunch of meta cards to the list and you won't have to worry about it.
Maxx C is good for the game
It makes it harder for combo decks to just play Solitaire
Master Duel really needs the time wizard formats as separate places you can play and not just the Casual Ladder. Edison and Goat, two of the most popular formats, should be in Master duel. To say they wouldn’t make money is utter bullshit cause they’d need to make new Packs for the various cards in Edison/Goat, and just tweak the programming to allow priority.
They don’t even need to implement the old rules, just a limited card pool
Implementing the old rules is arguably worse because it defeats the point of giving players an accessible way to learn the rules of the game
If they just had event reruns going instead of having dead weeks with nothing to do but play ranked, it would be much better. They could give just legacy packs and the old cosmetics for people that missed them. It's kind of a safer middle ground than adding in older formats, because those require more work to make the games play out accurate to the time period.
Y'know what would be interesting to add to master duel as a format?
Loaner deck format. So everyone has the same selection and you can balance a format based around the cards involved in the decks and it keeps the same pool of cards (ideally) so newer players can gain a better understanding of what cards do through multiple duels.
That’s actually a good idea
They do that already, that's what the tryout events duels are. Unless you're saying they should make that a permanent feature, in which case i'd agree with you. Only thing is that would get stale after a bit.
I'm personally more a fan of other limited events like drafts where you get variation but can still moderate the general pool those cards come from. Like having only a secret pack or two to pick from, and then rotating which secret packs every month or couple weeks or so
@@jasonkunstmann327 tryout duels are a joke, every other yugituber agrees. not even farfa likes them. and that's saying a lot. tryout duels aren't even around most of the time anyways so that's a bad example.
@@olyviermonteau4300 Generally i agree but i don't think the idea itself is bad, it'd just need some adjusting to make it into something lasting. Mostly better rewards, but also variation to keep it fresh. They're mostly just jokes now because you duel 3 times to win one single pack and then you're done
Yeah
I personally love loaned decks when I play the events
Sure your likely going to get homogony in terms of choices but people will gravitate to the nicher ones because they find them the most fun
It also means you won’t bump into a swirdsoul every match
Not having a GOAT ladder was insane. I understand Konami is petrified of splitting the player base but come on. Even the meta wouldn't be exactly like people remembered it would've been close enough to keep them interested.
Sir, educate yourself. Goat and Edison are a TCG thing. Nobody in the OCG cares about that. Guess who is the developer for MD? Japan.
I disagree, because of the crafting system people would nearly have to split their entire account on to one or the other
New players would have to pick between a meta that plays the same forever, or the new meta which gets constantly more expensive
If people build decks for both, they won’t have a deck ready for either for a long time
Not to mention if they split the ranked every season so that you can progress on both, you’d be missing out if you didn’t have the best goat deck and a contender in the meta
@@choco699then made banned cards not urs ( 70% of them are GOAT staples)
@@GiovanniBallerinii I would also agree, however to play devil’s advocate - most were ur’s on release
That seems fine to me, you start out playing one and then you transition to playing the other if you want. Or Konami could've made different decisions about the game economy if they wanted to.
Having some experiences with roguelikes and their popularity I will say that complexity isn't necessarily the issue but the method by which it gets introduced. Deckbuilders tend to give you the simple stuff out the gate and let you move to more complicated mechanics not only when you have unlocked them by progressing with more simple mechanics so you know the general flow of the game but also when you're comfortable with playing more complicated stuff because it doesn't force you to use specific meta strategies. More than basic UI issues or the specific meta of the game or events the retention issue is tied to it being a game with 25 years of power creep and meta development that you have to take in all at once.
A 1P campaign that has an incentive to play through it and that drip feeds you decks that steadily increase in power and complexity is what most of the games in Yugioh's most popular era (DM through 5D's) offered. I don't really think that's just a coincidence, a lot of people learned to play through the video games. I think that among people who aren't currently playing the game you'd have more people who remember playing something like Eternal Duelist Soul or Nightmare Troubador than who specifically remember Goat format.
Those Steam Charts dont count phone accounts either so I can't imagine how big it really is
Yeah I play on mobile and I'm sure the majority of the player base does also. I mean let's be real those of us who love to play MD definitely have it on mobile.
Don't count mobile, Xbox/PS, Switch, etc
Yeah i genuinely believe that mobile (or more accurately tablet/Ipad) is the best way to play it
Tried console it was more annoying so I just thing card games work really well on the hardware
Maxx C with Sephiroth's theme is perfect
Literally all they had to do is allow people to finish daily quests in Casual mode.
Yes, like seriously I’ve made decks for specifically trying to clear daily missions and the only way I get a chance to activate 2 traps is using my 40 card trap deck!!! Among other issues but is how it is
The Duel Links problem of bots in casual mode is why they don’t, I think.
imagine if master duel started with an actual banlist without all these silly extra deck cards that stop you from playing like vfd or rhongo and with actual tutorials that teach you the game past the absolute basics
They were aware of it. The more UR in your deck the more income they get
Actual tutorial after the basic would be hard since decks have a particular thing that they only do sometimes.
@@user-wu8qc9bb3e I meant stuff like 'what are hand traps' or 'how do you chainblock', giving new players more game knowledge instead of making them just read the instructions manual
On the one hand, like, the launch of Master Duel truly was insane. I had friends who hadn't talked to me about YGO since high school suddenly mentioning it on my feed. It caused a resurgence of interest and nostalgia for the brand I hadn't seen in well over a decade. Master Duel definitely shot itself in the foot by launching and then taking months to start doing anything.
But, on the other hand... there was no way they were ever going to KEEP that avalanche of new interest. Yugioh simply isn't the same game all those nostalgic visitors remembered, and the game that it is now simply wasn't ever going to appeal to the majority of casual card game players. So while Konami bungled the launch, I'd say Master Duel still more or less ended up filling the same niche for the same audience it was always going to end up having.
Two big things that would greatly help out master duel involves making casual its own format that counts towards daily mission and finally letting us dismantle legacy cards. It gives more variety and reason for players to actually go into causal unlike how it is now and for legacy packs, this would give further encouragement for people to play events more as many players just stop once you get all the gems since legacy pack tickets are practically worthless given you aren't trying to play stuff like ojamas since being unable to dismantle just makes you question why bother.
Better and cheaper than playing in person
Not close to playing in person. Only reason I still play is for irl games
@@KaleFGBwallet must be hurting tho.
@@KaleFGB where I live literally no one is playing yugioh nor care to. I tried multiple times to get ppl into it and they just dont have any interest in these tcgs.
Anything is better than overpriced expensive garbage. Not exactly hard to clear the bar of irl yugioh. It’s still shit.
I make a modest 80k CAD and doing fine playing Purrely, Runick, and some meme decks@@Unknownz000
I remember after release during the very first data mining of the game that was leaked, people found assets for a Classic mode for the game. I was convinced that they just needed a bit more time but that they would probably put it out by the end of the month to save everyone from that terrible format. And then a month passed, a few months, a year, two years. I don't know if they were actually planning on making it a proper game mode like casual, but now it feels like there's no point in even hoping they will make it anymore.
It would probably help get more people to come back to the game, which is something they clearly care about since they're running the returning and new player promotion campaign. But they still refuse to do it. And it should be simple all they really need to do is put another forbidden limited list like the ones they already have listed for the previous events. Like Farfa said, the vast majority of people only care about the card pool. An extremely small minority would complain about no priority or whatever.
I imagine it's just because some corporate goon rejected the proposal thinking that it would take away sales in the long term without understanding that so many potential customers left as a result of not making a more casual format available.
Could you imagine coming back and playing with cards you know from way back in the day instead of playing against fucking Snake Eyes every duel? Would be a wonderful way to get people to play the game.😊
Farfa makes a very strong and valid point for the inclusion of GOAT in MD but ofc his chat just be chatting
nah bro chat is wilding when they said "grass [back] to 3 :true_true:" that's crazy 💀
Chat was full of maxx c weasels pretending it’s fine so hard to take them seriously saying dumb stuff like “TCG take”. Like yeah hello English speaker in the chat of a prominent TCG content creator, please enlighten me as to the wealth of OCG wisdom you imply yourself to have.
@@fatcat2015 They were so annoying
What Master Duel needs is an "End of Season" Reward.
Like how does this game run for 2 years now and doesn't have ANYTHING to give to players that will get them to play in Ranked and try to reach the highest of ranks?
No Special Cardback, No Royal UR from a collection of cards, No Alternate Artworks, nothing.
I feel most people played ranked got really good and high with their favorite decks and then saw that they do not get anything from it.
Literally the only exclusive rewards so far are Duelist Cup icons (kekw) and the stuff they gave to the fucking MD Worlds participants. Just be a world champion and you too, can have an exclusive mate base. :)
This is actually an L take because they give you like 2 or 3k gems for playing ranked you basically get free cards for ranking up so they do give you stuff
@HDGaminTutorials Yes you get for climbing but you don't get anything for being the best like no one ever was save bragging rights.
Half the time I don't feel ranking is worth.
When you rank it doesn't reset all the way down so you lose gems and have to fight harder and after that giant struggle a message pops up saying you got 200 gems? Mmnah.
@@OhitsONnowwell in master you get the double amount of gems so it is kinda worth grinding to master 1 but it’s a hell on its own with all these decks
But I’m definitely with you I’m doing my dailies play a few games and then log off
Yeah, I'll take Goat without priority any day. Just get me out of the ghetto of Dueling Book.
I can definitely agree with the things Farfa has said here now as opposed to when MD actually did come out I only knew about Synchro summoning from playing 2009 WC so I knew nothing about the TCG and it's stuff. The only thing I was confused on from the guy in the vid was him talking about not showing off cards in the next upcoming sets when they kind of do that anyways which is also a few people's complaints because they announce it decently early apparently.
I definitely can also agree with that they very well can still add extra game modes that could bring more of the player base back in but that could also depend on the best way to implement it on their part too so only one can hope. The Solo Mode stuff is something I at least liked since I never played most of these archetypes and even tho they are past meta most of these are kinda fun testing them out. Also the Solo Mode only has the problem of giving you the general jist of each thing and not fully showing off exactly everything and is more left for the player to try and do that themselves but it did help me understand the damage step a fair bit better than I ever did previously.
This game definitely didn't 'fail' at all, it just has things it could still accomplish but haven't while other things currently in the game need some adressment to try and make it better. (I.E. Maxx C getting banned but until that gets an understandment in the OCG I don't think that's happening and anyone who acts like Maxx C being legal is some type of godforsaken sin just needs to understand that Japan is what is holding it down and it relies on Konami itself realizing the cards problem to fix it in MD. Then there's also just fitting a banlist for a Bo1 experience which they have been slowly getting to but just not appropriate enough.) And so hopefully someday they'll incorporate more things that a variety of people will like to refresh their player base for the game.
18:38 look at him. look at this precious little infernity archfiend. my little meow meow
Draft mode where every time you queue you get 20 packs and you choose what cards to include that disappear after say 3 games to draft again
OR maybe every game and it's just a random selection of 40 main and 15 extra from the set and you just PLAY it. It'd need its own card pool for sure but you can do some really fun stuff with that like here's a random pull of 40 main 15 extra from POTE or from one of the selection packs.
As an old school GBA yugioh player: I miss just starting with a deck and while playing the 'story mode' getting new packs and cards and just improving that deck or making a new deck.
I remember in the 5D one the dual ride duel against the norse gods and how hard it was: No normal spells and a Loki to block battle traps. So I started playing Watt: All direct attack and traps that can be played in Main1. And I started to love it IRl as a deck aswell.
In the last survey I recommended 2 major PvP changes for each side of the community. For competitive players, have a leaderboard/ELO system when you get to Master 1. For casual/new/returning players, have a rotating playlist of older, lower power level formats. I like the idea of it progressing through different legacy formats since that helps bring people up to speed with how the game has evolved.
MD should have a tier ladder where you can play from the LOB format to current by ranking up. That will make sure ppl are always playing to their point in the games evolution and possibly growing to like the newer metas.
Draft Mode really is needed and would be a reason for me to return to the game.
As a relative beginner (I played Duel Links and love card games in general), I do think Maxx 'C' presents a unique problem for beginners. I do think it is less important, but it is the one that gets me.
Beginners won't simply play a lot before liking the game, so URs are limited. Right away I am told URs are the most essential resource and I have to spend them on 2 Ash and 2 Maxx 'C' and a Called By. That is 150 URs gone before I can start building anything.
If you add the UR cost of 'fan-favorite' decks, suddenly I have to pay for the game, before I even know if I like it. Sincerely, rather play duel links where at least any staple does it. Whatever staple is in the pack I'll pull my favorite deck is at least usable, so I don't really need to worry about it. (Not to mention the 'solo mode' is more relevant)
I do realize Master Duel is quite generous and if I actually play I will get back easily these URs. But how am I supposed to play a lot, considering all the other issues and the fact that I can't even test multiple decks?
Also, competitive is the only level in which this game seems fun. So even if the other problems are somehow fixed, as soon as that happens, Maxx 'C' becomes a problem. Which should be read as: Players who survive the other difficulties will still quit because of this. Y'all coping if you think any competitive player from any other game will be alright with a meta defining, instant 3-of in every deck, being permanently in the game.
I think that all they had to do was add either a GOAT format mode, or add a seasonal mode that’s just ranked but for a certain format. That literally would’ve brought players who loved all different generations back
I think Konami got me as an playground yugioh/anime fan back as they intended it. Duellinks was my introduction to proper rulings, timings and stuff for the first time and it started off very beginner friendly. When Master Duel came out it didnt take much for me to learn the rest even though I quit Duellinks quite a while ago.
The worst thing Konami did, or didn't do rather, is not implementing tag duel or 1v2 systems into lobbies ASAP.
Content creators thrive off of chaos and both those modes would have brought plenty of it.
Loaner decks would be nice every 3 months. It's something Shadowverse has been doing for a long time.
Easily have mats/pals/sleeves/structure/ect for each archetype by now
easily have dual events weekly
Biggest issue with a Goat or Edison ladder is that there is an upper limit to how many cards you will ever have to craft to play those modes. Konami will eventually stop making money on those players, which is probably the biggest reason they haven't implemented anything permanent.
Master Duel Could have absolutely been a Master Piece Yu-Gi-oH game. Several simple things hold it back. One: just make ranked best of 3. It really sucks to lose to decks, you shouldnt lose to. Like gimmick decks. Simply because they went first and you dont have a game 2 to side in counters. To add on to that, you could actually make a legit ranked player ladder. It would make the game feel much more competitive. Two: Just make the card list the same as the TCG, and OCG. You could still separate players, based on region. This would be amazing because then, actual card players could use the game and find value in it as well. It would be a great way to play test. It would also be good imo for non card players because they can feel like they are playing the real game and keeping up with it, and not feel alienated in their own separate format. 3rd: and this is just optional but setup actual tournaments for players. They can be setup by region, and on certain days.
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I'm someone who is out here watching Yugioh youtubers and I still bounced off master duel because eventually you get sick of playing either ranked or a format that MIGHT be fun for the 3 days it exists and then it's gone. Solo content is just bad we all only play it for gems and cards lets be real, they've done single player yugioh better like a dozen times in their other video games there's no need for us to defend what Master Duel has for solo content.
I have no clue why Casual Mode doesn't give you rewards. Just tie it to how many wins you got in a row.
It's not like you can argue they don't make money from casual decks being built. Casual decks are still comprised of Super's and Ultra's. I've spent as much making a meta deck, as I did building Neos pre-Power of the Elements.
And unlike a meta deck, I can't even climb ranked to get Gems to offset the cost.
as a new player i made many mistake i wish they could make it more easier to learn master duel for us newer players the cards can be so confusing and make it easier for ppl to reroll new accnts instead of have to create a whole new steam accnt
100% agree that DK is the backbone. I’m a new player basically, I played when I was very young, I learned how to read at 4 to be able to read the cards lmao. Was finally able to get into modern yugioh because of swordsoul and his guides =)
I think that what we have today is what MD should have been at release: a huge solo mode, a ranked system, regular events, regular banlist and so on.
imo next coupe of years will be the real benchmark for MD to shine brighter or fall.
I think the way they should have made it, is that to unlock ranked, you have to play through previous formats, and keep unlocking them chronologically by winning a certain amount of games, and also the card pool would grow with each format, like for example, when you start your account, you would only have goat format to play against other players, and in order to unlock the next format, let's say edison for example, you have to win 10 games in goat, and you keep doing this format after format until you reach modern, and that's when the true ranked system opens, and they should also keep those old formats for people to go back and play anytime, cause current players are asking for that feature anyways, i know it's going to suck for experienced players to have to go through all that just to open a new account, but since they are already invested in the game, it's very unlikely they will abandon the game because of this, in fact they will like it as a cool small trip on memory lane
The casual mode should just open a list of former events
the title says it failed its potential not its failed.. looking at the steam charts having 20k people come back every month compared to its 160k on launch is the deffinitiot of not reaching the potential. the potential is atleast double that of the current stats..
It's criminal how much MD does not teaches new players about the modern game. And there is no indication of sorts (generally) of what you did wrong in a game to even learn.
They should have kept new players playing against only other new players with loaner decks or starter decks or something. I had to look up, watched so many UA-cam videos from a bunch of YugiTubers just to get a generally understanding of the game and how to play my own deck (which as DM at the time).
Also, the fact that there are no fun/alternative game modes is just plain ridiculous. Many events are not it in my opinion. It's just a "No Maxx 'C'" sometimes that limits the deck I want to play or even have.
This topic strikes close to my heart since my friends are tired of having me ramble about Master Duel's wasted potential. Having playing the big 3 TCGs and their respective Official Online Simulators, MD is the one with the better engine for what it should do, the slickest, fastest and most curated - surely in part due to the fact that it took Konami until 2022 to release an Official Simulator, while Pokemon and MTG were way ahead. My main gripe with MD starts with It being a separate format from both TCG and OCG - I understand the difficulty of "unifying" both the formats for a game that targets both the Western and Eastern audience, but having a third separate format, with a wildly different and arbitrary card pool and it being the only format you can play in the only official Konami simulator puts MD in the position of being "it's own game" while people who would want to test TCG or OCG formats can't and have to resort to DB or Omega. Again, I understand the fear of splitting your player base, but this situation is unsustainable I think - or better put - Konami is content with MD being this, being out for 2 whole years and having received scarce general updates regarding new systems, formats and so on, and have no incentive to further develop it, due to the player base being stable and players still striving for an automated official simulator. MD could, because it has the ability and the engine to, become a Hub/Client for time wizard formats (First and foremost, while now you can't even access some cards for Edison or GOAT to play with friends in restricted Duel rooms, much less official event) which Konami are heavily pushing in IRL and Paper - have draft modes for various Battle Packs that resemble IRL draft formats - more inspired events - solo modes following the iconic stories and duels of the Anime, and not some copy and paste, badly translated and incoherent ramblings about archetypes (which would be fire if fine better) - a fucking tournament mode with official tournaments promoted regularly by Konami itself.
I've been playing Yu-Gi-Oh for the last 15 years, i went through the phases of Dueling Network and YGOpro, of playing the console games, and Konami finally struck gold with such a polished engine as MD is - but to me, currently, it is just an empty shell; surely pretty and well presented, but empty. Konami has in some way the advantage of being "late": they can take the experience of MTG Arena and the now defunct PTCG Online, and others simulators alike, so see what works, what worked but does not anymore, what are the trends.
Since I was playing Yugioh with my friends when OG TCG came out...Master Duel is only way we can still play against each other seeing none of us live within 10 hours of each other.
Le Society if MD let you change pvp format:
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I wish we could get a mode like master saga where you get to open a master pack and a secret pack and then you just make some jank ass deck and play under rules like arena in HS. It would be great for people who want to deck build but dont have the necesarry knowledge and it would probably be really fun over all as long as floodgates are banned.
Masterduel is just expensive if you wana play everything
Master Duel is expensive if you don't know what you're doing at first.
When most decks come down to the same 20 handtraps and spells its really not tbh a ftp player can have multiple decks pretty easily
I'm an old school/casual player. I got nothing against competitive play, but having other permanent modes for casual players would be a godsend. Main reason I love the Legend Anthology event is because it severely limits or kills(bans) toxic archtypes/decks. I hate going into ranked and dealing with "you don't get to play" decks when I just want to relax and do my daily missions.
Master Duel was very apparently released earlier than the devs wanted. I mean, the game was missing very obvious quality of life features and ran horribly on mobile despite being *advertised* as primarily a mobile game.
So the reason why the game is missing features and modes people want and/or expected is because they're only now getting around to it, they've literally been bringing the game to the state it was intended to be released in for the past 2-3 years.
Master Duel needs to add time wizard formats and have separate ladders to each; maybe add TCG and OCG game modes while they're at it.
There should have been a mode on the game’s release or even now, where you can go only only play with one of the three decks you get from booting up the game, or solo mode decks.
Hear me out a format where you can only use cards from the LEGACY PACK, 1. it will add value to legacy tickets that are pilling up in people's accounts, 2. new players will enjoy the iconic cards across the animes, 3. Power level is lower than regular
Ya okay im taking a break from yugioh. Im sick of seeing videos like this were an average player knows how to handle the game better than the actual company. Than when it seems like they are listening they just jingle shiny keys infront of us. Like the TCG duel trial and now the Goat duel trial. Konami refuses to listen to us and I hate it.
I want a draft format so bad
I used to hit top of ladder every season and get to top 10k in dc cup (I play going first Sky Striker and Pendulum Magician). Their server quality turns me off so I stopped. It's so bad there isn't a reconnect feature in this game. A lot of time I was about to make good plays but either I or opponent d/c. It feels worse than your opponent surrendering.
Loaner deck only being allowed till Silver is a weird take.
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This is neat lol
@@NotControlledByMillipedes this is all happening so fast LOL here’s hoping it keeps going
Modern Yugioh is just a hard game to learn and keep up with. I played MD religiously up until Adventure era and achieved max rank with Salad. I honestly just got bored and was tired of always learning the new cards. Some kind of rebooted card game like Rush Duel is honestly the answer for reaching a new audience. A sudo reboot of the classic show would also do some good, kinda like how Digimon did it. Remake the most popular and recognizable show, and launch a revamped and simpler version of the card game that can run parallel to the existing classic/advanced one. Legit, using nostalgia to boost the launch of a new and easier card game sounds like it would work. Imagine big streamers playing it for the nostalgia and actually being able to get their friends to play it because it isn't confusing as fuck to learn. That was the big hurdle with MD, streamers would play it, but it wouldn't spread to their friends due the complexity of the game.
Also yes priority was always a dumb rule and my hot take is goat and edison would both be better off without it anyways
Just make it like Shadowverse where every new set, players got 1 free ticket to redeem recently added archetypes decks.
Konami literally doesn't get it that's the problem. The playerbase is already split in general. You have tons of players who basically don't play the ranked ladder at all anymore and only log on for event duels and solo mode releases. I face more bots/selftks on the way to platinum than I ever did before.
Creating Edison/ GOAT ladder for us who wanna go back in time is good for their overall player population. It would also make multiple youtubers/streamers come back to make content and would even boost sales. They're missing out on a huge market in my opinion.
Man's really overstated how much new players care about Maxx C. Matter of fact, I'd say the vast majority of the brainlets defending the bug are actually just newer players. They don't understand how to really play the game and consequently don't know why it's toxic, all they know is the roach is the haha funny gamba card that stole their Blue-Eyes deck one (1) game.
I wouldn't be surprised if the OCG devs kept it legal purely because they found that it helped retain players that don't care if they win unfairly, just that they can win at all
@@luigifan4585 I wouldn't say Konami's reasoning even extends that far. They just know as well as anyone else that C reduces the game to a slot machine, but due to the fact they're a literal gambling kingpin operating out of a region where gambling is "illegal," they see that as a good thing.
The game definitely needed more game modes and ocg and tcg game modes. It would have helped content for UA-camrs and gave older and newer players something to be eased into
the argument that maxx c is good for new players is also flawed to some extend:
Rouge and bad decks also lose* to maxx c
then new players dont know how to play around it
maybe they dont even have it in their deck - no one told them to
next, if maxx c goes of:
the better player can do something with 15 cards in hand
while the new player is completely lost looking at the pile of cards covering the screen...
more cards = more options for the better player
while the beginner its more cards = more confusion
Im playing rogue solfachord that summon ariseheart and grandsolfachord coolia, im totally fine with maxx c because most of the time my opponent can't out an ariseheart protected by an omni negate, in tcg this is considered toxic for no reason, despite the fact it's the only way for solfachord to win against deck like snake eyes.
Actually they could add option for custom tournaments or like add sealed format or something like master saga format
It baffles me that Legacy of the Duelist had a battle pack draft mode, but they can't do something like that for master duel.
Chat is so annoying man
I logged in, saw a bunch of different in-game currencies and a crafting feature and I immediately deleted it.
I just wanted to play a children's card game.
The game needs a Ghost battle mode like what fighting games have. That way you can test your deck against things like hand traps and other negates. The solo mode decks just get ran through
This is all in hindsight, but I think Farfa's suggestion that MD start with LoB and then slowly roll out the sets kinda how Pokemon Go started with the Gen 1 Pokemon would have been essential in weening new and returning players into the absolute chaos that modern YGO can be.
Would it have sucked (at first) for veteran players? Sure. But, thinking about the long term health of the game, it would have created better players and more players.
People are underestimating thrust with heavy slump against maxx C
Putting in retro formats and advertising that to players who just wanna play the old way is a sure fire MONEY PRINTING BEHEMOTH.
I refuse to pay money for digital currency in any game. But if they put those formats in as permanent mainstays, I will gladly drop money to pay for gems. And I know that THOUSANDS will follow. It’s literally that easy.
Yes it absolutely did, but it is still a good game imo. Launching with a card pool 6 months out of date (12ish months for OCG) and then not updating anything for two months was really rough. Also on release the games banlist was this weird OCG/TCG hybrid that was pretty bad, and it took them like 9 months to fix it.
I think the solo mode should be improved upon with better explanations of archetype mechanics in the tutorial sections and include more of the popular decks. Legacy formats would be really cool since they already have a feature in the game that shows different formats in the deck builder. Lastly, the largest demographic playing MD is the generation that watch the OG show. They need to put out loaners for the popular archetypes featured on the new show that children today watch.
Hell yeah just add draft. Like all it takes is one look at how popular Cimoooooooo's masochist challenge got. Imagine how much better that would be except you don't have to surrender every 2/3 games because you ran into an actually competent deck that you can't do shit against.
Wow that guys video was really good! You should like and sub to that guy
5:40 the answer is simple: Rush Duel, easy for new people, fast paced and super fun.
I think when you first open the game the prompt asking if youre familiar with ygo if you ans ur not familiar it should put you in a rank below rookie with only others with the starter decks and you cant modify them until you leave that rank.
So one of the best ways I'll put it is there's always that territory "the game's dying" and in reality is it really? No. And I hate to use steamcharts as a metric but it's the best tool we really have. Like a lot of devs & publishers will tell total accounts made, but not the actual how many are actually playing number. And using other benchmarks as an example; I remember when Destiny 2 had the curse of osiris dlc release, and over 90% of the players actually quit. And in the first year that's bad. Master Duel it's looking like over 11-12% of players after 2 years. And it's probably much higher than that given how popular Yu-Gi-Oh is worldwide.
Classic mode should've been a thing for sure. I'd like the cardpool to be more up to date with the OCG. Banlist being unique is fine, because of the bo1 ranked. No way I'd play this game if ranked was bo3 tcg format carbon copy. Every duel would take an hour
nah master duel is fine tbh
the only thing that bugs me is them not getting new releases in very quick but i do get they have to probably test every card interaction or something
Brother player count what? its a game that you create new acc to test deck before building one on main acc. ofc it will retain numbers
Casual duels are just as bad as ranked, I remember when it first came out I’d try out an old 5Ds archetype just to get the people playing meta decks at the time. If anything it felt worse than losing in ranked
So I played MD like maybe a month after release and granted i wasn’t a new new player but just play with some friends at home kinda guy, so that being said i dont really understand the thing with drytron cause i can tell you if you were mostly casual you almost never saw drytron in ranked cause you would never be ranked high enough to see it. I remember playing a lot of dark magician, blue eyes, hero’s, etc… the the point being yeah you you saw drytron as your first game sucks but not as scary as farfa say back the you we’re mainly playing against other anime fans play they’re anime deck and that’s it
Dkyed did so much for duel links and master duel it's crazy
Draft mode would be awesome, also Maxx c to 4 on the next list just to wind-up the TCG combo players that loves to complain also shifter to 10 just to rub the salt in
Like with what the vid suggested, there should really be more rookie level ranks. Going from rookie where you'd play against people that are just trying out the game (new & returnees) with starter decks and basic game knowledge, and then getting comboed by budget versions of meta decks like Tearlaments once you reach bronze is really surprising and uninteresting.
The problem with the rookie ranks is that there's nothing stopping smurfs from bringing in a full power meta deck and curbstomping new players with it.
I dunno, it's a difficult problem to solve for yugioh specifically. I feel like no matter how they did it, nothing was going to realistically prepare the yugiboomers for what real yugioh looks like now, and that all their playground anime decks are unplayable.
Master Duel launching with full power Drytron, Herald and Eva was a mistake
The problem with master Duel supporting other formats is that it would split the player base, but at launch they should had a event more focused in a slow game
Split the playerbase how
@@Nephalem2002Basically a lot of players would only play certain time wizard formats and not bother getting new cards for modern. Imo I disagree with this cause those same players who don't wanna play modern will just quit instead of splitting the player base which is an overall net loss.
The issue with that argument is always “compared to what?” Yes you split the player base, but without the extra format a lot of players would not even be around to play the main format. Especially when the second format is GOAT which is a stepping stone to modern formats.
@@VVheeli people keep parroting this dumb argument like it was said by Einstein
As someone who has played this game since release in the states and have never taken a break off the game I personally hate GOAT format and Edison format. I'm not hating on anyone who does like these formats but to say that old players want these formats isn't always the case. Every old school player at the three locals I visit hate old formats as well but the newer players enjoy them because they are a welcoming introduction into the game or are just something new for those players to experience.
All of my old school friends have already played those formats so revisiting them isn't even that fun anymore but I do believe these formats should be available for those who either want to return to them or experience them.
If master duel implements OCG and TCG mode for rank and have all cards on the app then it’ll be the best card game app out there
Nah the master duel banlist is better
We have way more banlist updates than tcg or ocg
We have much more variety
In general I think the tcg and ocg banlists are bad cause cards like snow why is it banned when you clearly see it does absolutely nothing in master duel lol and it’s one of many cards like recently dragon rulers are unbanned in master duel and they do absolutely nothing while tomohawk is still playable
20k players on a live service game is tragic and not a lot of
A live service card game CARD GAME those are great numbers for a card game
Not even close given the fact that it is the most popular card game in the whole world above pokemon or magic hell everything, so 20k is weak.@@HDGaminTutorials
Master duel has become league of legends real fast. Like I remember some lol content creator said, players has quit league until that one mode enter the rotation like URF and one for all. In Master Duel, people waiting for event where maxx c banned, which is shows the real problem for this game, and then turn off master duel again until that event back in the rotation. Like when tcg regulation event came in rotation last month, alot of players hype for that, event the competitive one like Josh, and then they just quit the game again, because regular bs still occurs in maxx c
And don't even start with MD banlist style, like holy sht, the way they implement the banlist is so bad. They always do minor touch before they do big ban a few months after that, making alot of innocent cards get slain. Like for real Konami, when King of the swamp and foolish b goods will be out again? Why not just go for the major ban when they know that particular deck is problematic? Like diameter limit to 1? what does that do? chandraglier and stovie to 2? is that hurt labrynth in any way? there's a reason why alot of players hate semi limit list so much
Said this early on. Konami was just profitting from a card game emulator that had extra steps. Take away the flashy animations and it was no different from dueling network or yugipro except with microtransactions
Proper ranked mode
Opens up casually playing against friends without them having an pc and installing some emulator
Bringing new players to ygo like me or my friends because of the console release
Ygo became much more popular cause of master duel
It’s so sad that Dkay holds up master duel and duel links and then for IRL you have to join a damn Facebook judge group to get any rulings. It’s absurd.
I actually did complete the Solomodes
In fact I completely the entire list and brute forced my way through to sun terror without really playing online (probably because I’m generally a single player gamer so no lag is preferable
Doesn’t teach you shit and I only go back to get gems from the daily challenges
As someone who was new to playing yugioh, but has YEARS of experience playing other card games digitally. Here is why yugioh isn't the biggest card game out right now and likely never will be.
1. The most important thing is that yugioh is so wildly complicated and convoluted. They don't have "key words" to simplify the cards like EVERY other card games does. So cards have so much texts for seriously no reason.
2. Probably do to the game being very complicated and texts being very long, turns last forever. People don't want to sit and do nothing for so long. Newer players won't have hand traps like experienced players so they really will just sit and watch their opponent summon half their extra deck in one turn with zero interaction.
3. With how complicated this game is when you eventually get to point of "hey its time for me to try an make an actual competitive deck" you quickly get lost on what to do, because you don't know how any deck plays because decks in yugioh don't really fit into the main archetypes that other card games have. Being "control, aggro, mid range and late game". Its basically every deck is both a aggro and control deck. So how does a new player identify which deck seems the most fun. The simple answer is that they don't. You end up going with whatever is the "strongest" "cheapest" or coolest looking cards. Which mind end up playing something you don't actually enjoy, then you might wonder if this is just yugioh or the deck.
For the game to do better and reach a wider audience here is all that needs to happen. Which never will. Cards need key words or simplified text. Will greatly reduce how long turns are for newer players reading every card. The game needs to do better at guiding people to decks that they will enjoy. The only thing i can think of is to use the solo mode for this more. Whenever new archetypes are released to the game that will be meta like snake eyes release a solo mode that walks you through all basic combos of snake eyes. So that if people don't play the TCG can kind of figure out how snake-eyes plays. This will not only help people decide if they want to invest into that deck, but also help them know what to do against that deck requiring less reading, speeding up duels. Instead they release solo modes stuff for decks/archetypes that NO ONE plays and don't matter. So that you learn the ins and outs of fucking six samurai because i guess new players need to know that?
the biggest issue with masterduels realease was the fact that they had dritron be the best deck lol. its mid yea but new players arent going to understand how or why a monster negated all 6 of thier cards lol let alone how to fight that.
We need Forbidden Memories format ❤